1 00:00:00,680 --> 00:00:02,920 Speaker 1: Have you ever thought that maybe the reason you're not 2 00:00:02,920 --> 00:00:05,200 Speaker 1: feeling good on your body, or you're not losing weight, 3 00:00:05,519 --> 00:00:09,160 Speaker 1: maybe because you're actually not eating enough. It may come 4 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:11,440 Speaker 1: as a surprise to hear that we are often giving 5 00:00:11,480 --> 00:00:14,640 Speaker 1: feedback to our clients that they're not actually eating enough. 6 00:00:15,080 --> 00:00:17,480 Speaker 1: So on today's episode, we share the signs that may 7 00:00:17,520 --> 00:00:20,560 Speaker 1: indicate that you two need a little more nutrition to 8 00:00:20,640 --> 00:00:24,040 Speaker 1: help you reach your overall goals. Hi, I'm Leanne Ward 9 00:00:24,280 --> 00:00:26,720 Speaker 1: and I'm cite Borrel and together we bring you the 10 00:00:26,800 --> 00:00:29,440 Speaker 1: Nutrition Catch, the weekly podcast that keeps you up to 11 00:00:29,520 --> 00:00:31,400 Speaker 1: date on everything that you need to know in the 12 00:00:31,400 --> 00:00:34,839 Speaker 1: world of nutrition as well as not eating enough. Today 13 00:00:34,960 --> 00:00:38,560 Speaker 1: we discuss the viral oats and o's and pick trend 14 00:00:38,880 --> 00:00:39,840 Speaker 1: or drink should I say? 15 00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:41,040 Speaker 2: On social media? 16 00:00:41,120 --> 00:00:43,800 Speaker 1: And we've also found a new gluten free product we 17 00:00:43,840 --> 00:00:46,440 Speaker 1: think some of our gluten free listeners and our Ciliac 18 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:49,720 Speaker 1: listeners will love. And our listener question is on kids 19 00:00:49,960 --> 00:00:53,280 Speaker 1: gummies and if or not we recommend them. So to 20 00:00:53,360 --> 00:00:56,120 Speaker 1: kick us off today, Susie, we're chatting all about the 21 00:00:56,240 --> 00:00:59,000 Speaker 1: signs that were just not eating enough. And I've had 22 00:00:59,080 --> 00:01:02,360 Speaker 1: numerous client case studies when before they've started working with me, 23 00:01:02,440 --> 00:01:05,039 Speaker 1: I've asked them, you know, how the feeling has their energy, 24 00:01:05,080 --> 00:01:07,319 Speaker 1: that sort of thing. And I really do think the 25 00:01:07,480 --> 00:01:11,560 Speaker 1: power of nutrition is so incredible when we get the 26 00:01:12,120 --> 00:01:14,960 Speaker 1: portions and the amount of food for a body. Of course, 27 00:01:14,959 --> 00:01:17,960 Speaker 1: good quality nutrition is important, but the actual portions and 28 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:20,880 Speaker 1: the amount we eat is just as important as well. 29 00:01:21,080 --> 00:01:23,920 Speaker 1: So the common signs or symptoms, if you will, that 30 00:01:24,120 --> 00:01:27,080 Speaker 1: I would say for a client or for somebody listening 31 00:01:27,160 --> 00:01:29,800 Speaker 1: at home that you might not be eating enough is 32 00:01:29,920 --> 00:01:32,960 Speaker 1: general fatigue. And again, fatigue can be a number of reasons. 33 00:01:32,959 --> 00:01:35,639 Speaker 1: That might be because you're just a tight, busy, stressed 34 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:37,720 Speaker 1: out parent. It might because you've had a couple of 35 00:01:37,720 --> 00:01:39,919 Speaker 1: crap night's sleep, it could be because you have low iron. 36 00:01:40,160 --> 00:01:43,280 Speaker 1: But a genuine sign of not eating enough is fatigue 37 00:01:43,319 --> 00:01:45,880 Speaker 1: even after a good night's sleep or after spending you know, 38 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:48,280 Speaker 1: six seven eight hours in bed and still waking up 39 00:01:48,280 --> 00:01:51,600 Speaker 1: feeling fatigue. Another two big signs if I have clients 40 00:01:51,600 --> 00:01:53,760 Speaker 1: that are constantly sick, like I work within a twelve 41 00:01:53,800 --> 00:01:56,360 Speaker 1: week coaching model, If within that twelve weeks I've had 42 00:01:56,400 --> 00:01:59,040 Speaker 1: a client that's been sick two or three times, that's 43 00:01:59,080 --> 00:02:02,080 Speaker 1: a massive red flag me. Same deal with injury. Often 44 00:02:02,120 --> 00:02:04,240 Speaker 1: I hear clients say, you know, my goal is to 45 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:07,000 Speaker 1: squat X amount of way or do x amount of chinups, 46 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:09,000 Speaker 1: but I you know, I haven't been able to progress 47 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:10,880 Speaker 1: that goal because I'm always injured. Now I've got a 48 00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:12,480 Speaker 1: sore shoulder, and now I've got a saw leg, I've 49 00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:15,240 Speaker 1: done another injury again within a twelve week period. If 50 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:17,280 Speaker 1: I'm working with a client and they're injured once or 51 00:02:17,320 --> 00:02:20,919 Speaker 1: twice within that timeframe, I'm quite concerned that perhaps they're 52 00:02:20,960 --> 00:02:24,040 Speaker 1: not they're simply not eating enough. Poor recovery as well, 53 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:26,160 Speaker 1: if you can't do like a back to back session, 54 00:02:26,200 --> 00:02:27,960 Speaker 1: and it's very different if you've gone in and you've 55 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:30,400 Speaker 1: you know, lifted the max heavyweight in your back squat 56 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:33,400 Speaker 1: that you possibly got. But if you're really struggling to 57 00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:37,200 Speaker 1: recover between say a basic training session the next day 58 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:41,200 Speaker 1: or two three days later, again six injured poor recovery 59 00:02:41,240 --> 00:02:43,680 Speaker 1: big red flags that you might potentially not be eating 60 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:46,440 Speaker 1: enough and not being able to progress with your training. 61 00:02:46,480 --> 00:02:49,800 Speaker 1: If your goal is to run say ten kilometers in 62 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:52,080 Speaker 1: the fastest PB, but you just haven't been able to 63 00:02:52,120 --> 00:02:55,399 Speaker 1: get any faster or any better with that training, might 64 00:02:55,400 --> 00:02:58,120 Speaker 1: be because you're not actually fueling that training session enough. 65 00:02:58,360 --> 00:03:00,760 Speaker 1: And a big one that I see particularly with females 66 00:03:01,120 --> 00:03:04,000 Speaker 1: is like hair fooling out and not growing well, weak 67 00:03:04,200 --> 00:03:07,520 Speaker 1: nails like nail beds or nails constantly breaking, and quite 68 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:10,480 Speaker 1: like sulken and dry skin as well. So hair skin 69 00:03:10,520 --> 00:03:12,600 Speaker 1: and nails, you can actually tell a lot from the 70 00:03:12,760 --> 00:03:15,600 Speaker 1: quality of nutrition as well. What are some big signs 71 00:03:15,639 --> 00:03:16,720 Speaker 1: for you with your clients. 72 00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:20,160 Speaker 3: I think there's two scenarios that pop up in different 73 00:03:20,240 --> 00:03:24,040 Speaker 3: client groups. So the first would be someone who is 74 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:26,720 Speaker 3: within three to five kilos of their goal weight and 75 00:03:26,760 --> 00:03:30,120 Speaker 3: they exercise a lot, and I find that they have 76 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:34,520 Speaker 3: often had a very healthy diet that's very controlled in 77 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:38,840 Speaker 3: carbohydrate for a long period of time, but nothing's changing. 78 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:41,440 Speaker 3: And when I take a closer look at their macros, 79 00:03:41,840 --> 00:03:44,600 Speaker 3: their carbs may be down around that sixty eighty grams 80 00:03:44,640 --> 00:03:47,360 Speaker 3: per day, which may be okay for someone who's got 81 00:03:47,400 --> 00:03:51,080 Speaker 3: hormonal issues or very inactive, but for someone relatively young 82 00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:54,120 Speaker 3: who's exercising an hour or two a day, it's grossly inadequate. 83 00:03:54,480 --> 00:03:57,800 Speaker 3: So I find that over time they've become so healthy 84 00:03:58,360 --> 00:04:01,800 Speaker 3: that they're restricted down to a level that they're basically 85 00:04:01,920 --> 00:04:02,680 Speaker 3: eating very little. 86 00:04:02,760 --> 00:04:04,000 Speaker 2: And also not hungry. 87 00:04:04,280 --> 00:04:06,720 Speaker 3: So if you're not feeling hungry and you know that 88 00:04:06,760 --> 00:04:10,080 Speaker 3: you're not overeating, quite possibly it's a sign that you're 89 00:04:10,120 --> 00:04:13,040 Speaker 3: eating too little or specifically too little at the wrong 90 00:04:13,200 --> 00:04:16,760 Speaker 3: times of day. So again, I might see clients who 91 00:04:16,960 --> 00:04:21,440 Speaker 3: have reasonably tight intakes, say between seven and one or two, 92 00:04:21,480 --> 00:04:23,880 Speaker 3: and then the bulk of their nutrients are being consumed 93 00:04:23,960 --> 00:04:26,719 Speaker 3: in the afternoon evening, so timing can also be important. 94 00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:30,120 Speaker 3: Then the other group that I commonly have that discussion 95 00:04:30,120 --> 00:04:32,160 Speaker 3: with is my clients who maybe are on a. 96 00:04:32,120 --> 00:04:33,799 Speaker 2: Longer term weight loss journey. 97 00:04:34,360 --> 00:04:36,960 Speaker 3: They may be having a goal of losing twenty thirty 98 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:39,120 Speaker 3: kilos over a six to twelve month period, and they 99 00:04:39,160 --> 00:04:41,920 Speaker 3: may have already lost half of that, but their diets 100 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:45,279 Speaker 3: become so much better that it's actually become almost too strict, 101 00:04:45,279 --> 00:04:48,280 Speaker 3: and they've brought the fuel down so low that their 102 00:04:48,279 --> 00:04:51,400 Speaker 3: body needs actually more. So again, they might only be 103 00:04:51,440 --> 00:04:55,040 Speaker 3: consuming one set of carbohydrate at both lunch and breakfast, 104 00:04:55,480 --> 00:04:57,640 Speaker 3: and when I take a closer look at the portions 105 00:04:57,720 --> 00:05:00,760 Speaker 3: or the type of bread they're choosing, that the carbs 106 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:02,400 Speaker 3: have gone a little bit too low for their level 107 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:05,360 Speaker 3: of activity. Because keep in mind, as you do lose weight, 108 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:07,679 Speaker 3: you become more efficient in burning calories and you actually 109 00:05:07,720 --> 00:05:10,520 Speaker 3: need more, which is often counterintuitive because of course we 110 00:05:10,520 --> 00:05:13,200 Speaker 3: always think eat less, eat less, eat less, whereas when 111 00:05:13,200 --> 00:05:15,640 Speaker 3: you're carrying weight you're less efficient, you need less. And 112 00:05:15,640 --> 00:05:18,279 Speaker 3: then as you become fitter and do more and exercise 113 00:05:18,320 --> 00:05:21,000 Speaker 3: at a higher intensity or change your training, you'll actually 114 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:23,159 Speaker 3: need more fuel. So it's not just a one size 115 00:05:23,160 --> 00:05:25,159 Speaker 3: fits or model. You will have to adjust your diet 116 00:05:25,160 --> 00:05:28,440 Speaker 3: through that process. So they're the two common scenarios. I 117 00:05:28,440 --> 00:05:31,080 Speaker 3: one hundred percent agree the general level of fatigue is 118 00:05:31,080 --> 00:05:33,520 Speaker 3: a big one. And I think the other sign for 119 00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:36,200 Speaker 3: me is when you have extreme cravings in the afternoon. 120 00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:40,560 Speaker 3: So by absolutely you may experience cravings because you've got 121 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:44,039 Speaker 3: blood word posts and insulin regulation issues. But if you 122 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:47,239 Speaker 3: don't and you find that even though you've eaten healthy, 123 00:05:47,360 --> 00:05:50,200 Speaker 3: you still get to two three so hungry, to me, 124 00:05:50,320 --> 00:05:51,920 Speaker 3: that's a sign you need more fuel in the first 125 00:05:51,960 --> 00:05:52,560 Speaker 3: half of the day. 126 00:05:52,600 --> 00:05:53,800 Speaker 2: It's not that you're weak or. 127 00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:56,239 Speaker 3: That you need higher levels of self control. You actually 128 00:05:56,240 --> 00:05:59,159 Speaker 3: probably just need more carbohydrate. And I find that anecdotally, 129 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:02,040 Speaker 3: if my clients are having inadequate carbohydrate, they crave sweet 130 00:06:02,040 --> 00:06:04,440 Speaker 3: food all afternoon, So a sign you're on the right 131 00:06:04,440 --> 00:06:06,760 Speaker 3: track with your amounts of carbohydrate is that you feel 132 00:06:06,760 --> 00:06:09,880 Speaker 3: full and satisfied, particularly late afternoon, and so dinner can 133 00:06:09,920 --> 00:06:10,840 Speaker 3: be a light top up. 134 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:11,800 Speaker 2: So there are things that. 135 00:06:11,760 --> 00:06:14,599 Speaker 3: Stand out to me and the two kinds of client 136 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:17,040 Speaker 3: groups that that frequently comes up with. And it's kind 137 00:06:17,040 --> 00:06:18,760 Speaker 3: of a nice message, isn't it, because so often we're 138 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:21,359 Speaker 3: talking about eat less cut back you're having too much, 139 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:24,040 Speaker 3: whereas there's a whole group of people who actually feel 140 00:06:24,120 --> 00:06:27,240 Speaker 3: inadequately and they're getting sick and run down and not 141 00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:29,479 Speaker 3: getting their nutrition. You also may find me and of 142 00:06:29,480 --> 00:06:31,680 Speaker 3: course your digestion may slow and you're not going to 143 00:06:31,760 --> 00:06:34,240 Speaker 3: the bathroom as regularly, because if you're used to going 144 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:37,080 Speaker 3: to the bathroom and clearing your bows every day and 145 00:06:37,160 --> 00:06:39,240 Speaker 3: all of a sudden it's only every second or third day, 146 00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:41,320 Speaker 3: you might not be getting enough folk of food through 147 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:44,000 Speaker 3: your digestive track. So that's another sign you may actually 148 00:06:44,040 --> 00:06:47,200 Speaker 3: be eating too little. So that's a very powerful indicator. 149 00:06:47,480 --> 00:06:50,000 Speaker 1: One hundred percent, because less food going through a less bog, 150 00:06:50,080 --> 00:06:51,560 Speaker 1: everything slows down a little bit. 151 00:06:51,680 --> 00:06:52,800 Speaker 2: So absolutely agree. 152 00:06:52,839 --> 00:06:54,920 Speaker 1: I think it's a really important topic that we cover. 153 00:06:54,960 --> 00:06:57,039 Speaker 1: I think we have covered on the podcast before, but 154 00:06:57,080 --> 00:06:59,919 Speaker 1: a really important reminder because diet culture tells us to 155 00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:01,920 Speaker 1: less and less and less and less, and there's going 156 00:07:01,960 --> 00:07:05,080 Speaker 1: to come a point where you're tied, you're fatigued, you're injured, 157 00:07:05,240 --> 00:07:07,880 Speaker 1: you're simply not able to eat enough nutrients. So your 158 00:07:07,880 --> 00:07:10,120 Speaker 1: immune system takes a hit, your body takes a hit, 159 00:07:10,160 --> 00:07:12,480 Speaker 1: you're not recovering properly. You might not even be sleeping 160 00:07:12,480 --> 00:07:15,160 Speaker 1: as well, like the quality of your sleep may actually 161 00:07:15,200 --> 00:07:16,320 Speaker 1: be impacted as well. 162 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:20,080 Speaker 3: So true, and I think it's yeah, it's often sometimes 163 00:07:20,080 --> 00:07:22,680 Speaker 3: we're so motivated and focused, but we just cut back 164 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:25,800 Speaker 3: too much, or we've cut back and then forget that 165 00:07:25,880 --> 00:07:28,200 Speaker 3: you actually may need more over time. So certainly, if 166 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:32,400 Speaker 3: you're experiencing that fatigue, cravings, not seeing changes in your body, 167 00:07:32,880 --> 00:07:34,960 Speaker 3: it's have a look at your carbohydrate amounts. And we're 168 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:38,360 Speaker 3: not massive fans of carbohydrate counting or calorie counting, but 169 00:07:38,440 --> 00:07:40,000 Speaker 3: sometimes it's good to have an idea and you can 170 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:42,160 Speaker 3: just plug your numbers into it a monitoring app like 171 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:44,600 Speaker 3: calorie King or my fitness power, and that will give 172 00:07:44,600 --> 00:07:47,440 Speaker 3: you a rough idea of carbs. And everyone's different and 173 00:07:47,520 --> 00:07:49,760 Speaker 3: on a daily basis that intate will differ, but certainly, 174 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:52,120 Speaker 3: if your carbohydrate intake is less than sixty or eighty 175 00:07:52,120 --> 00:07:54,280 Speaker 3: grams per day, it's certainly on the lower side or 176 00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:57,480 Speaker 3: low side. And if you're an exercising person, you are 177 00:07:57,600 --> 00:08:01,120 Speaker 3: highly likely to need a whole lot more than that. Alrightly, 178 00:08:01,160 --> 00:08:03,600 Speaker 3: and well, speaking of carbs, we thought we'd talk about 179 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:06,120 Speaker 3: a trend that had popped up on tiktops quite recently. 180 00:08:06,560 --> 00:08:08,520 Speaker 2: And I'm going to maybe say it incorrectly, but I think 181 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:10,200 Speaker 2: it's it's oats and peak, isn't it. 182 00:08:10,200 --> 00:08:14,640 Speaker 3: That's and of course we have discussed those very clever. 183 00:08:15,200 --> 00:08:17,640 Speaker 3: We have discussed oceen peak on the podcast many times. 184 00:08:17,680 --> 00:08:20,240 Speaker 3: Of course, it's one of the newer semi glue type 185 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:23,680 Speaker 3: drugs which is involved in gluepos and insulin regulation. A 186 00:08:23,760 --> 00:08:27,040 Speaker 3: very specific medication prescription. It has a very powerful action 187 00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:33,120 Speaker 3: that it impacts digestive speed and appetite control, but also 188 00:08:33,520 --> 00:08:38,160 Speaker 3: impacts the pancreas directly and stimulates insulin production. So whenever 189 00:08:38,440 --> 00:08:40,800 Speaker 3: this came up, so basically, if you haven't heard of it, 190 00:08:40,800 --> 00:08:43,320 Speaker 3: it's an idea that by creating a drink in which 191 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:46,520 Speaker 3: you add oats with water, and I think it's a 192 00:08:46,559 --> 00:08:49,400 Speaker 3: bit of lime juice isn't that milne and lime juice 193 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:52,360 Speaker 3: and you stir it up to like a gluggy mixture 194 00:08:52,480 --> 00:08:55,840 Speaker 3: because of course oat it's a very high and soluble fiber, and. 195 00:08:55,720 --> 00:09:01,800 Speaker 2: You drink that sounds delicious, Oh my lord, imagine you 196 00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:02,360 Speaker 2: drink it. 197 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:04,360 Speaker 3: And the theory is that it will have a very 198 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:06,439 Speaker 3: similar effect to that of oose in peak because it 199 00:09:06,480 --> 00:09:09,800 Speaker 3: will basically slow digestion because we know that oats themselves 200 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:12,720 Speaker 3: have one of the lowest gis or glacemic loads of 201 00:09:12,760 --> 00:09:15,959 Speaker 3: all the carbohydrate foods, which means it digests very relatively 202 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:19,160 Speaker 3: slowly and releases glucose very slowly into the bloodstream thanks 203 00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:22,280 Speaker 3: to that soluble fiber sort of glooiness that it creates. 204 00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:24,559 Speaker 2: That's why it's one of the most filling breakfast cereals. 205 00:09:25,360 --> 00:09:27,559 Speaker 3: Now, the first thing I would say is it is 206 00:09:27,840 --> 00:09:32,679 Speaker 3: absolutely fundamentally different from ozin peak. Ozen peak is a 207 00:09:32,840 --> 00:09:37,360 Speaker 3: very powerful molecule. It has a very strong positive effect 208 00:09:37,440 --> 00:09:40,200 Speaker 3: in those who need it. But this oats and peak 209 00:09:40,320 --> 00:09:43,840 Speaker 3: is not impacting the pancreas to produce more insulin, which 210 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:45,960 Speaker 3: is what ozen peak does, which is why it's so powerful. 211 00:09:46,040 --> 00:09:47,920 Speaker 2: So whilst having. 212 00:09:47,679 --> 00:09:50,760 Speaker 3: An oats mix may help to keep you full through 213 00:09:50,800 --> 00:09:52,920 Speaker 3: the morning and regulate blood glucose levels. 214 00:09:53,440 --> 00:09:55,600 Speaker 2: And I think the numbers on ozen peak is that 215 00:09:55,720 --> 00:09:58,920 Speaker 2: it slows digestion for I think a couple of hours. 216 00:09:59,280 --> 00:10:00,520 Speaker 2: I heard it, and I'm qualified. 217 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:02,679 Speaker 3: Nutritionists say that it was twenty four hour delay in 218 00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:04,600 Speaker 3: gastric emptying, which is not true. 219 00:10:04,960 --> 00:10:07,040 Speaker 2: It's a couple of extra hours. 220 00:10:06,640 --> 00:10:08,720 Speaker 3: That slows down, which is why people don't feel as 221 00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:12,640 Speaker 3: hungry as often that certainly, even though you might feel 222 00:10:12,640 --> 00:10:16,040 Speaker 3: satisfied through the morning if you have oats mixed. First thing, 223 00:10:16,600 --> 00:10:20,680 Speaker 3: there is nothing really similar to ozen peak. It's highly misleading, 224 00:10:21,400 --> 00:10:23,959 Speaker 3: and you know, I think I read some examples where 225 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:26,400 Speaker 3: people had been taking this drink and actually caused quite 226 00:10:26,440 --> 00:10:30,040 Speaker 3: significant gastric distress because of course, oats are reasonably high 227 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:32,200 Speaker 3: in soluble fiber, and if you were to go and 228 00:10:32,240 --> 00:10:34,240 Speaker 3: have this drink three, two or three times a day, 229 00:10:34,240 --> 00:10:36,959 Speaker 3: it would certainly upset your stomach. So I think, yeah, 230 00:10:36,960 --> 00:10:38,880 Speaker 3: it's like all of those online things, you really need 231 00:10:38,920 --> 00:10:40,480 Speaker 3: to take it with a grain of salt. And we 232 00:10:40,520 --> 00:10:42,400 Speaker 3: want to be very clear that there is no drink 233 00:10:42,440 --> 00:10:45,240 Speaker 3: that replicates the effect of ozen pick. Ozen peak is 234 00:10:45,280 --> 00:10:48,560 Speaker 3: a very specific medication for very specific glucose and insulin 235 00:10:48,600 --> 00:10:52,439 Speaker 3: regulation issues. The weight loss benefits associated with that are 236 00:10:52,520 --> 00:10:56,520 Speaker 3: secondary to the hormonal impact that it has, and oats 237 00:10:56,600 --> 00:11:00,400 Speaker 3: drink has none of those effects and is not could 238 00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:03,640 Speaker 3: not even be remotely compared to oz and peak at all, 239 00:11:04,160 --> 00:11:05,400 Speaker 3: even if it kept you fuller and you. 240 00:11:05,480 --> 00:11:06,960 Speaker 2: Ate a little bit less as a result. 241 00:11:07,080 --> 00:11:09,440 Speaker 3: So I haven't actually had anyone who said they've tried it, 242 00:11:09,920 --> 00:11:12,520 Speaker 3: but it's certainly been all over the mainstream media because 243 00:11:12,559 --> 00:11:16,160 Speaker 3: of course anything weight loss and medication goes crazy. So yes, 244 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:18,319 Speaker 3: I think to stay well away, and if you're going 245 00:11:18,360 --> 00:11:20,760 Speaker 3: to enjoy oats in the morning as a filling breakfast, 246 00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:23,200 Speaker 3: you're absolutely fine to have it with some protein, yoga 247 00:11:23,280 --> 00:11:25,560 Speaker 3: and berries and that will probably keep you full into lunchtime. 248 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:28,320 Speaker 3: But no, it is not the same in any way 249 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:30,680 Speaker 3: shape or foam to the effects of ozen peak. 250 00:11:31,200 --> 00:11:34,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, it is quite literally an oat based drink, that's 251 00:11:34,280 --> 00:11:36,000 Speaker 1: what it is. And you know, if you find that 252 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:38,800 Speaker 1: that helps you to feel fuller after a meal, or 253 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:40,800 Speaker 1: you know, helps you to eat less throughout the day, 254 00:11:40,840 --> 00:11:42,520 Speaker 1: then there's no problem with it. I mean it's oats 255 00:11:42,520 --> 00:11:44,600 Speaker 1: water and lime juice. You can't really go too wrong. 256 00:11:44,800 --> 00:11:47,200 Speaker 1: I can't imagine it would taste that fabulous, SUSI. But 257 00:11:47,320 --> 00:11:50,120 Speaker 1: if you feel like it is helping your benefiting you, great, 258 00:11:50,160 --> 00:11:52,640 Speaker 1: there's nothing against it. But I think that when people 259 00:11:52,679 --> 00:11:57,199 Speaker 1: compare it to a very particular prescription type of medication, 260 00:11:57,360 --> 00:11:58,840 Speaker 1: that's where we have a bit of an issue, right, 261 00:11:58,880 --> 00:12:01,520 Speaker 1: because they are too fundamental different things like you mentioned, 262 00:12:01,559 --> 00:12:04,760 Speaker 1: So we don't really have a I guess a disagreement 263 00:12:04,800 --> 00:12:06,640 Speaker 1: of it from a health perspective, But I think the 264 00:12:06,640 --> 00:12:08,720 Speaker 1: bottom line is if the goal is weight lost, your 265 00:12:08,720 --> 00:12:10,960 Speaker 1: calories have to be in check. So this is the 266 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:13,200 Speaker 1: only thing you're having, and you're having this drink multiple 267 00:12:13,240 --> 00:12:14,040 Speaker 1: times a day. 268 00:12:14,320 --> 00:12:15,360 Speaker 2: Will you lose weight? 269 00:12:15,600 --> 00:12:19,640 Speaker 1: Yes, but guess what you're lacking in some serious macronutrients 270 00:12:19,640 --> 00:12:22,200 Speaker 1: and micronutrients throughout the day. It doesn't really have much 271 00:12:22,240 --> 00:12:24,280 Speaker 1: protein in there. Yes, it's got a good amount of 272 00:12:24,280 --> 00:12:26,959 Speaker 1: fiber and it's got some carbohydrate in there, but you're 273 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:30,600 Speaker 1: severely lacking the healthy fats which are needed for sailor production, 274 00:12:30,800 --> 00:12:34,719 Speaker 1: hairskin and nails hormones, and you're lacking protein, which ideally 275 00:12:34,880 --> 00:12:37,040 Speaker 1: is one of the best things from a fat loss 276 00:12:37,040 --> 00:12:40,080 Speaker 1: perspective to help you metabolically, So I'm not sure if 277 00:12:40,080 --> 00:12:41,920 Speaker 1: people are drinking just a cup of it a day 278 00:12:42,040 --> 00:12:44,120 Speaker 1: or they're replacing all of their meals with it. Like 279 00:12:44,200 --> 00:12:46,199 Speaker 1: I haven't caught up with It's too much to know 280 00:12:46,360 --> 00:12:49,040 Speaker 1: how it's recommended. But I certainly wouldn't be recommending it 281 00:12:49,120 --> 00:12:50,800 Speaker 1: more than like once a day if you wanted to 282 00:12:50,840 --> 00:12:53,040 Speaker 1: give it a go, because I think that the quality 283 00:12:53,040 --> 00:12:55,360 Speaker 1: of your meals absolutely matters. And if you're using this 284 00:12:55,400 --> 00:12:57,880 Speaker 1: to replace meals, it is certainly not like a mer 285 00:12:57,960 --> 00:12:59,760 Speaker 1: replacement or anything like that. I would just have a 286 00:12:59,760 --> 00:13:02,640 Speaker 1: couple so that before a meal, which may help you 287 00:13:02,679 --> 00:13:05,320 Speaker 1: feel a little bit more fuller or more satisfied. But 288 00:13:05,400 --> 00:13:08,160 Speaker 1: I certainly wouldn't be calling it a meal or replacing 289 00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:09,880 Speaker 1: it with a meal at all. 290 00:13:10,040 --> 00:13:13,040 Speaker 3: Well, the thing about it is it's pure carbohydro as well, 291 00:13:13,120 --> 00:13:15,719 Speaker 3: Like if you were making a balanced meal with oats, 292 00:13:16,280 --> 00:13:18,199 Speaker 3: you would be adding protein powder or you would be 293 00:13:18,200 --> 00:13:20,960 Speaker 3: adding protein yogat to get a macrobalance, or say twenty 294 00:13:20,960 --> 00:13:23,520 Speaker 3: thirty grams of carbs from the oats and same amount 295 00:13:23,559 --> 00:13:27,040 Speaker 3: of protein to match and regularate inchulin levels and keep 296 00:13:27,080 --> 00:13:29,480 Speaker 3: you full of for longer. So I always say to 297 00:13:29,480 --> 00:13:31,439 Speaker 3: clients and this is relevant coming into winter. If you're 298 00:13:31,440 --> 00:13:33,840 Speaker 3: going on to oats, first of all, stick to whole 299 00:13:33,920 --> 00:13:37,480 Speaker 3: rolled oats. Quick oats are processed. They're still better than 300 00:13:37,640 --> 00:13:41,080 Speaker 3: a processed flake type cereal or white toes, but they're 301 00:13:41,120 --> 00:13:43,280 Speaker 3: not as good as whole oats, so you're certainly better 302 00:13:43,320 --> 00:13:44,160 Speaker 3: to invest in those. 303 00:13:44,160 --> 00:13:45,560 Speaker 2: If you're making birchu bols, etc. 304 00:13:46,559 --> 00:13:49,480 Speaker 3: Then you're definitely better to mix it with some protein, 305 00:13:49,640 --> 00:13:53,360 Speaker 3: even some good fats and chia or some pipedas. Again 306 00:13:53,400 --> 00:13:55,360 Speaker 3: that will help to slow digestion, and that will create 307 00:13:55,400 --> 00:13:57,360 Speaker 3: a meal that is say more like three four hundred 308 00:13:57,400 --> 00:13:59,199 Speaker 3: calories a decent amount of good fat. 309 00:13:59,240 --> 00:14:01,320 Speaker 2: It is the amount of carbohydrates that's going to. 310 00:14:01,320 --> 00:14:03,880 Speaker 3: Actually be better for your blood glucose. 311 00:14:03,440 --> 00:14:05,040 Speaker 2: Control than just that plain oats. 312 00:14:05,120 --> 00:14:07,800 Speaker 3: Anyway, if you are trying to create a very feeling 313 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:10,559 Speaker 3: breakfast option that matches, say eggs on toast in terms 314 00:14:10,640 --> 00:14:13,240 Speaker 3: of protein and carbohydrate amount. But it is relevant, I 315 00:14:13,280 --> 00:14:15,120 Speaker 3: think because it is quick cook oats season. And just 316 00:14:15,160 --> 00:14:18,559 Speaker 3: also be mindful that there's so many different oat products. 317 00:14:18,240 --> 00:14:18,920 Speaker 2: In the supermarket. 318 00:14:18,920 --> 00:14:21,240 Speaker 3: And I remember comparing them last year, and I think 319 00:14:21,240 --> 00:14:23,560 Speaker 3: a plain quick cook oats had no sugar added, but 320 00:14:23,600 --> 00:14:25,400 Speaker 3: some of the ones with like honey, you had seventeen 321 00:14:25,440 --> 00:14:28,280 Speaker 3: grams of sugar in the flavor. So really make sure 322 00:14:28,280 --> 00:14:30,600 Speaker 3: that if you are buying packeted oats that you're getting 323 00:14:30,600 --> 00:14:33,280 Speaker 3: no added sugar options and then sweetening perhaps with cinnamon 324 00:14:33,400 --> 00:14:35,040 Speaker 3: or something like some vanilla essence or. 325 00:14:35,040 --> 00:14:38,840 Speaker 2: Fresh fruit, or I'll go for a whole rolled oat. 326 00:14:38,600 --> 00:14:40,800 Speaker 3: And again sweetening with the fruit itself, or a no 327 00:14:40,880 --> 00:14:42,880 Speaker 3: sugar syrup so you can get maple syrup with no 328 00:14:42,960 --> 00:14:45,720 Speaker 3: sugar oat now as well, to create the balance, because 329 00:14:45,720 --> 00:14:47,600 Speaker 3: sure you can have oats, but there's certainly plenty of 330 00:14:47,720 --> 00:14:50,680 Speaker 3: really sugary varieties that are out there, so you do 331 00:14:50,760 --> 00:14:52,640 Speaker 3: have to be careful, like all packaged food, to make 332 00:14:52,640 --> 00:14:55,320 Speaker 3: sure that they're perhaps not a sweetened variety that you're 333 00:14:55,320 --> 00:14:57,600 Speaker 3: in ad burdinly picking up. Same as yoga, of course, 334 00:14:57,920 --> 00:14:59,760 Speaker 3: but at least I might do this segment because I 335 00:14:59,760 --> 00:15:02,560 Speaker 3: found this product this week. Now, I'll be very honest 336 00:15:02,560 --> 00:15:04,720 Speaker 3: with you, my gluten free knowledge is not amazing. 337 00:15:04,920 --> 00:15:07,720 Speaker 2: I think I've got two siliacs on my. 338 00:15:07,680 --> 00:15:12,120 Speaker 3: Books at the moment because it's really not my Arab expertise. 339 00:15:12,240 --> 00:15:14,680 Speaker 3: You know, if I have autoimmune girls who come within 340 00:15:14,680 --> 00:15:17,040 Speaker 3: show resistance of PCOS and they've also got ciliac and 341 00:15:17,040 --> 00:15:20,440 Speaker 3: no problem. But I certainly am not an intolerance specialist 342 00:15:20,440 --> 00:15:23,440 Speaker 3: by any means. So I was very excited this week 343 00:15:23,440 --> 00:15:27,520 Speaker 3: because a client actually shared this product which I had 344 00:15:27,560 --> 00:15:32,000 Speaker 3: never seen, and it was the Woolworths freed from Gluten 345 00:15:32,240 --> 00:15:33,680 Speaker 3: for seeded bagels. 346 00:15:33,720 --> 00:15:35,280 Speaker 2: Now Leanne. 347 00:15:35,600 --> 00:15:37,880 Speaker 3: I love a bagel, particularly when I'm in New York 348 00:15:37,920 --> 00:15:42,600 Speaker 3: having them, because to me, that's sort of a food 349 00:15:42,640 --> 00:15:45,000 Speaker 3: that you have when you travel and it's a special occasion. 350 00:15:45,040 --> 00:15:46,760 Speaker 3: You go to beautiful jellies in New York and have 351 00:15:46,840 --> 00:15:49,640 Speaker 3: the flavor cream geese and locks, and you know, a 352 00:15:49,680 --> 00:15:50,560 Speaker 3: gorgeous experience. 353 00:15:50,600 --> 00:15:52,760 Speaker 2: But I certainly don't tend to have them here in Australia. 354 00:15:52,760 --> 00:15:55,239 Speaker 2: And the reason is that they are quite refineding carbohydrate. 355 00:15:55,320 --> 00:15:57,680 Speaker 3: You know a typical bagel that you'll get in sort 356 00:15:57,720 --> 00:16:00,320 Speaker 3: of cafes, you know, that good old blueber bagel or 357 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:02,760 Speaker 3: the seeded one. They come in at about sixty to eighty 358 00:16:02,760 --> 00:16:05,640 Speaker 3: grams of carbohydrate because if you think about that density 359 00:16:05,800 --> 00:16:08,400 Speaker 3: of the dough, you can see how much is in there. 360 00:16:08,640 --> 00:16:10,240 Speaker 3: The seeds might be on the outside, but they're not 361 00:16:10,280 --> 00:16:12,640 Speaker 3: all through the middle. It's that really white refined flower 362 00:16:12,800 --> 00:16:16,560 Speaker 3: it is such a concentrated amount of carbohydrate. And for 363 00:16:16,680 --> 00:16:18,960 Speaker 3: reference to slices of bergen breads got about twenty four 364 00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:21,760 Speaker 3: grams of carbohydrates, So you know, sixty eighty in a 365 00:16:21,760 --> 00:16:25,560 Speaker 3: single bagel is huge. And it's also extremely high GI. 366 00:16:25,760 --> 00:16:28,400 Speaker 3: So when we talk about glycemic index or how quickly 367 00:16:28,440 --> 00:16:30,800 Speaker 3: the carbohydrates diggested, bagels are. 368 00:16:30,800 --> 00:16:33,080 Speaker 2: Right up there. And so certainly there's something that. 369 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:34,600 Speaker 3: I would say have if you go into a bagel 370 00:16:34,640 --> 00:16:37,200 Speaker 3: shop or if you're traveling, I certainly wouldn't have them 371 00:16:37,240 --> 00:16:40,360 Speaker 3: as the carbohydrate of daily choice. So when my client 372 00:16:40,400 --> 00:16:42,200 Speaker 3: told me she was having a bagel every day, I 373 00:16:42,240 --> 00:16:45,720 Speaker 3: was like ready to give the talk about what's in bagels, 374 00:16:46,080 --> 00:16:49,400 Speaker 3: And then I had a look and I was like, oh, 375 00:16:49,520 --> 00:16:51,520 Speaker 3: that's actually quite quite interesting. 376 00:16:51,560 --> 00:16:52,120 Speaker 2: You just knows. 377 00:16:52,160 --> 00:16:53,560 Speaker 3: But I won't say my thoughts till you hear it, 378 00:16:53,600 --> 00:16:55,920 Speaker 3: because you have a more discerning eye than I. But 379 00:16:56,040 --> 00:16:59,840 Speaker 3: these bagels, which are a seeded variety, come in at 380 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:02,080 Speaker 3: sover one hundred and fifty calories. 381 00:17:01,640 --> 00:17:03,200 Speaker 2: Per serve, which is pretty low. 382 00:17:03,640 --> 00:17:05,920 Speaker 3: Two point seven grams of protein, four point three grams 383 00:17:05,920 --> 00:17:09,840 Speaker 3: are fat, but just twenty five grams of carbohydrate and 384 00:17:10,040 --> 00:17:13,000 Speaker 3: six point eight grams of dietary fiber, and I said 385 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:14,879 Speaker 3: to her, Wow, I've never seen. 386 00:17:14,680 --> 00:17:17,320 Speaker 2: A babel like that before. Now I'll give you. 387 00:17:17,320 --> 00:17:19,639 Speaker 3: Some insight into ntritionals because again, as I said, Leand's 388 00:17:19,640 --> 00:17:21,719 Speaker 3: more of a gut special sonign she might have some thoughts. 389 00:17:22,119 --> 00:17:24,560 Speaker 3: It rates his four point five health stars, and the 390 00:17:24,640 --> 00:17:28,360 Speaker 3: ingredients are water, modified tapioca starch, rice, flower, vegetable oil, 391 00:17:28,400 --> 00:17:31,239 Speaker 3: potato starch seeds at three point five percent, so not 392 00:17:31,280 --> 00:17:32,720 Speaker 3: overly high, but better than nothing. 393 00:17:33,359 --> 00:17:35,840 Speaker 2: Sugar is added, cilium husk powder, which is why. 394 00:17:35,760 --> 00:17:39,240 Speaker 3: We're getting that reasonably high fiber intake, corn syrup, corn starch, egg, 395 00:17:39,280 --> 00:17:44,399 Speaker 3: white powder, vegetable gums, yeast, eyed our salt, soilflower, humaniscent 396 00:17:44,760 --> 00:17:48,600 Speaker 3: preservative which is sorbic acid, which can be sometimes I'm 397 00:17:48,600 --> 00:17:50,200 Speaker 3: not sure if that one causes drama about we have 398 00:17:50,240 --> 00:17:53,520 Speaker 3: to be sometimes careful with preservatives and natural flavor. So 399 00:17:54,520 --> 00:17:58,480 Speaker 3: I think my position is it's certainly nutritionally from the 400 00:17:58,520 --> 00:18:01,919 Speaker 3: macro is a reasonably good for those who need gluten 401 00:18:01,920 --> 00:18:05,119 Speaker 3: free products, because let's be honest, it is very tricky 402 00:18:05,160 --> 00:18:08,520 Speaker 3: to get gluten free breads and the cereals that taste good. 403 00:18:08,600 --> 00:18:11,080 Speaker 3: And from my client's descriptions. She really liked the taste 404 00:18:11,119 --> 00:18:14,119 Speaker 3: of this bagel. It was very tasty. But leanne I 405 00:18:14,200 --> 00:18:16,879 Speaker 3: wanted to ask you what your thoughts were on that 406 00:18:17,440 --> 00:18:18,480 Speaker 3: ingredient profile. 407 00:18:18,560 --> 00:18:19,680 Speaker 2: Are we too processed? 408 00:18:19,760 --> 00:18:21,760 Speaker 3: Are we too ultra process to give it the stamp 409 00:18:21,800 --> 00:18:23,520 Speaker 3: of approval on the nutrition couch. 410 00:18:23,720 --> 00:18:23,960 Speaker 2: Yeah. 411 00:18:23,960 --> 00:18:26,040 Speaker 1: Look, there's certainly a far better range of gluten free 412 00:18:26,040 --> 00:18:28,000 Speaker 1: products on the market than there was five or ten 413 00:18:28,080 --> 00:18:30,080 Speaker 1: years ago. Like I remember when I first graduated as 414 00:18:30,080 --> 00:18:33,840 Speaker 1: a dieticians or so years ago, it was hard going 415 00:18:33,880 --> 00:18:36,119 Speaker 1: if you were Celiac. There were not many things, and 416 00:18:36,160 --> 00:18:38,320 Speaker 1: you know they didn't taste very great either. You absolutely 417 00:18:38,400 --> 00:18:40,040 Speaker 1: had to toast them. There was no getting away with 418 00:18:40,119 --> 00:18:42,359 Speaker 1: you know, normal gluten free bread like it was sost dodgy. 419 00:18:42,560 --> 00:18:45,040 Speaker 1: They've come a long way this in terms of when 420 00:18:45,080 --> 00:18:47,480 Speaker 1: you look at the macros and the calories, it works. 421 00:18:47,480 --> 00:18:49,520 Speaker 1: It's a really great ploduct, particularly if your goal is 422 00:18:49,560 --> 00:18:52,280 Speaker 1: fat loss. The ingredients are pretty good. Is it a 423 00:18:52,320 --> 00:18:55,600 Speaker 1: refined product, Absolutely, but like it's a bag or how 424 00:18:55,600 --> 00:18:57,159 Speaker 1: do you make it otherwise? And it's got to be 425 00:18:57,160 --> 00:18:59,159 Speaker 1: gluten free. You can't use wheat flour. It's not going 426 00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:02,040 Speaker 1: to rise like a normal bakeel does. I like the 427 00:19:02,040 --> 00:19:04,960 Speaker 1: addition of celium hust from someone who is quite sensitive 428 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:06,720 Speaker 1: in their stomach, and I know a lot of my 429 00:19:06,760 --> 00:19:09,840 Speaker 1: clients with IBS are very sensitive as well. Often brands 430 00:19:09,880 --> 00:19:12,480 Speaker 1: will use different types of prebotic fibers to add the 431 00:19:12,520 --> 00:19:14,600 Speaker 1: fiber in. So six point eight grams is a lot 432 00:19:14,640 --> 00:19:16,440 Speaker 1: of fiber, but I love that the bulk is coming 433 00:19:16,440 --> 00:19:18,959 Speaker 1: from the celium musk in the seeds, because if they 434 00:19:18,960 --> 00:19:21,240 Speaker 1: were to add something like aniline or chickory root, that 435 00:19:21,280 --> 00:19:23,880 Speaker 1: would really set off, you know, the sensitive ibs. Spoke 436 00:19:24,040 --> 00:19:27,240 Speaker 1: myself included, So I like the addition of fiber is cilium. 437 00:19:27,280 --> 00:19:29,639 Speaker 1: It's very gentle and bulking in that sobal type of 438 00:19:29,640 --> 00:19:32,679 Speaker 1: fiber also a prebotic, but a lot more gentle on 439 00:19:32,720 --> 00:19:35,840 Speaker 1: those sensitive tummies. I would like to see a higher 440 00:19:35,840 --> 00:19:38,640 Speaker 1: percentagive seeds, Like three point five percent is very low, 441 00:19:38,760 --> 00:19:41,080 Speaker 1: obviously just sprinkled right on the top that I actually 442 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:44,119 Speaker 1: through the bagel, but hey, it's better than nothing. And 443 00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:46,040 Speaker 1: I think as long as you're putting some sort of 444 00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:49,199 Speaker 1: good protein syrup on it, I'm thinking cream cheese and 445 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:51,600 Speaker 1: a bit of smoked salmon, maybe some cottage cheese and 446 00:19:51,640 --> 00:19:54,639 Speaker 1: some sliced tomato, fresh basil, that sort of thing, or 447 00:19:54,680 --> 00:19:55,920 Speaker 1: you could even do you know, a couple of eggs 448 00:19:55,960 --> 00:19:58,080 Speaker 1: with some roasted veggies or something on top would be 449 00:19:58,119 --> 00:20:00,399 Speaker 1: really lovely. So I think as a base from a 450 00:20:00,440 --> 00:20:02,400 Speaker 1: gluten free perspective, this one's a winner. 451 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:03,520 Speaker 2: It's pretty good, is it. 452 00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:06,199 Speaker 1: There are certainly sometimes of gluten free bread that are 453 00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:09,240 Speaker 1: healthier ingredient wise, But if you're a bagel lover and 454 00:20:09,280 --> 00:20:11,240 Speaker 1: if your client reports that it tastes pretty good, I 455 00:20:11,280 --> 00:20:12,479 Speaker 1: don't have an issue with this at all. 456 00:20:12,520 --> 00:20:14,160 Speaker 2: And you know what, this is probably. 457 00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:17,879 Speaker 1: Better macronutrient nutrition wise, like nutrition panel wise, than a 458 00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:20,400 Speaker 1: lot of the standard bagels on the market. So I'd 459 00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:22,359 Speaker 1: probably if I have a client that loves bagels and 460 00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:24,760 Speaker 1: they didn't need gluten free, I might even recommend something 461 00:20:24,840 --> 00:20:27,119 Speaker 1: like this because, as you said, the carbohydrate content is 462 00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:29,800 Speaker 1: a lot lower and it's very calorie controlled, unlike some 463 00:20:29,840 --> 00:20:31,800 Speaker 1: of the other bagels which can easily be two three 464 00:20:31,880 --> 00:20:35,240 Speaker 1: hundred grams plus and far more carbohydrate. So I don't 465 00:20:35,240 --> 00:20:36,600 Speaker 1: have a problem with it. I think you just need 466 00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:38,600 Speaker 1: to be wary of the toppings, and if the goal 467 00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:40,480 Speaker 1: is about lost really trying to get some sort of 468 00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:41,480 Speaker 1: protein on top. 469 00:20:41,280 --> 00:20:42,320 Speaker 2: Of that good. 470 00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:44,280 Speaker 3: I'm so happy because I thought it was pretty good 471 00:20:44,280 --> 00:20:47,560 Speaker 3: and I just wanted to double check with my associate 472 00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:48,959 Speaker 3: on her expertise. 473 00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:50,200 Speaker 2: So yeah, that was a great find. 474 00:20:50,240 --> 00:20:52,560 Speaker 3: So checking them out there in the gluten free section 475 00:20:52,600 --> 00:20:55,600 Speaker 3: of Woollies and that's the gluten free Woolworth brand seeded 476 00:20:55,600 --> 00:20:57,359 Speaker 3: bagel and never given Willie is a bit of a 477 00:20:57,400 --> 00:20:59,120 Speaker 3: rat for a few weeks. So they've finally come good 478 00:20:59,119 --> 00:21:00,840 Speaker 3: with the product. They're in our good books again, so 479 00:21:00,840 --> 00:21:01,240 Speaker 3: well done. 480 00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:03,280 Speaker 1: Can I quickly say something about the Health Star rating. 481 00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:05,560 Speaker 2: Though, yes, definitely. I think a lot of. 482 00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:08,679 Speaker 1: People don't understand that when stars to give into a 483 00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:11,240 Speaker 1: health Star rating, there's a certain set of criterias within this. 484 00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:12,879 Speaker 1: I was just having a conversation with my client the 485 00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:14,600 Speaker 1: other day and she's like, I can't believe this frozen 486 00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:16,879 Speaker 1: pizza has. There was like four stars, and a lot 487 00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:19,160 Speaker 1: of people don't understand that when they're using the health 488 00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:23,000 Speaker 1: Star rating, they're comparing similar products within that category. So 489 00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:27,159 Speaker 1: this bagel has four point five health Stars compared to 490 00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:30,240 Speaker 1: other bagels on the market, right, it's not saying that 491 00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:33,000 Speaker 1: this product overall is four point five out of five. 492 00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:34,920 Speaker 1: So you're not saying that this bagel is better than 493 00:21:35,080 --> 00:21:37,320 Speaker 1: Greek yogurt. We're not saying that this bagel is better 494 00:21:37,359 --> 00:21:41,240 Speaker 1: than say, dense seated soylin bread. What we're saying is 495 00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:43,679 Speaker 1: that compared to all of the other similar bagels on 496 00:21:43,720 --> 00:21:46,199 Speaker 1: the market, not just gluten free ones, just bagels in general, 497 00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:48,679 Speaker 1: this is four point five stars. So compared to all 498 00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:51,359 Speaker 1: of the bagels, this is a better product than the 499 00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:53,520 Speaker 1: majority of bagels out there. And like I said to 500 00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:56,879 Speaker 1: my client within the frozen pizza section, that frozen pizza 501 00:21:56,920 --> 00:21:59,800 Speaker 1: she'd picked up was a better option than the majority 502 00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:02,800 Speaker 1: of the other frozen pizzas. Is frozen pizza four point 503 00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:05,679 Speaker 1: five out of five stars compared to all the other foods. No, 504 00:22:06,119 --> 00:22:08,679 Speaker 1: but it is better than the other frozen pizzas within 505 00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:10,800 Speaker 1: that category. So just be aware if you're picking up 506 00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:13,840 Speaker 1: products with health star ratings, no worries, but you're only 507 00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:15,920 Speaker 1: comparing that to similar products. If you pick up a 508 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:19,240 Speaker 1: musi bar and it's got five stars, it's better than 509 00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:21,560 Speaker 1: a lot of the other musli bars in the musei 510 00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:24,119 Speaker 1: bar category compared to the amount of sugars lower, the 511 00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:27,679 Speaker 1: fibers higher, saturated fats lower. As an example, you're not 512 00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:31,400 Speaker 1: saying that a musli bar is better then say extraversion 513 00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:33,760 Speaker 1: olive oil or you know, fresh filled of salmon. 514 00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:36,240 Speaker 2: Now that's what pizza. Was it that was four stars? 515 00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:37,000 Speaker 2: Was it the frou Pro? 516 00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:39,879 Speaker 1: I think so, yeah, yeah, yeah, because it was higher protein, 517 00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:41,920 Speaker 1: higher fiber, and it was quite low fat. 518 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:43,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, And just a note about that actually, So two 519 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:46,320 Speaker 3: of the major criticisms of the health Star rating is 520 00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:49,600 Speaker 3: that it doesn't take into account processed ingredients. So, as 521 00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:52,400 Speaker 3: we've spoken before in terms of wraps, you know, there's 522 00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:54,720 Speaker 3: a lot of highly processed reps out there that might 523 00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:56,840 Speaker 3: be high protein, and when you look at the ingredient list, 524 00:22:56,880 --> 00:23:00,359 Speaker 3: it has that real process types of fiber and in it, 525 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:02,040 Speaker 3: and the same as in this bagel, it's got that 526 00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:05,359 Speaker 3: refined tapiocre stars to make it. So my issue is 527 00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:07,639 Speaker 3: it doesn't take into account quality of ingredient, and so 528 00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:12,119 Speaker 3: food manufacturers can basically engineer ingredients that are okay according 529 00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:15,719 Speaker 3: to health Star ratings, but not balanced or not judged 530 00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:18,000 Speaker 3: in terms of degree of processing of ingredients, which is 531 00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:20,240 Speaker 3: why we often say it might have a four health 532 00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:23,400 Speaker 3: Star rating, but it's highly processed. And second, it doesn't 533 00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:26,000 Speaker 3: take into account additives and that's my biggest issue. You know, 534 00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:29,760 Speaker 3: there's a snack for kids like pea snaps that have 535 00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:32,159 Speaker 3: got MSG, and I think it's got five health stars, 536 00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:34,240 Speaker 3: like you cannot have a product with five health stars. 537 00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:36,880 Speaker 3: It's got added MSG. So I think it just needs 538 00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:38,679 Speaker 3: to complete overhaul. So I actually take it with a 539 00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:40,520 Speaker 3: grain of salt. I never look at it, and I 540 00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:44,200 Speaker 3: think it's highly misleading. So I think always quick scouter 541 00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:46,679 Speaker 3: your ingredient list, and there's a general of thumb, the 542 00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:48,840 Speaker 3: short of the ingredient list, the healthier the food it's 543 00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:49,199 Speaker 3: going to be. 544 00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:51,520 Speaker 2: So I think that's the best health star rating guide 545 00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:51,920 Speaker 2: you've got. 546 00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:53,960 Speaker 1: I agree, and I just quickly looked up that for 547 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:56,960 Speaker 1: a pro pizza for the listeners at home, it is 548 00:23:57,000 --> 00:23:59,439 Speaker 1: four star rating. It's pepperoni in hand. Like would we 549 00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:02,560 Speaker 1: ever as dieians recommend pepperoni and ham right? No, But 550 00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:05,800 Speaker 1: as you said, they've like they've modified the ingredients to 551 00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:08,760 Speaker 1: fit the criteria. Is it from a macro and a 552 00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:11,800 Speaker 1: calorie and a nutrient perspective on paper better than other 553 00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:12,919 Speaker 1: types of frozen pizza? 554 00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:13,320 Speaker 2: Yes? 555 00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:15,760 Speaker 1: But is frozen pizza healthy like hard? 556 00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:16,600 Speaker 2: No? Do you know what I mean? 557 00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:18,280 Speaker 1: Like you can eat it sure, there's not a problem 558 00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:20,679 Speaker 1: with it. But it's not like making a beautiful salmon 559 00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:23,280 Speaker 1: filip meal with some vegetables and some brown rice at home. 560 00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:26,440 Speaker 1: It is entirely two different things. So, like you said, 561 00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:27,320 Speaker 1: take it with a grain of. 562 00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:30,359 Speaker 3: Salt and just one other little funny supermarket thing that 563 00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:32,679 Speaker 3: I wanted to talk about. It's not worth the whole segment, 564 00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:34,840 Speaker 3: so I'll mention it now. So I had a client 565 00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:38,960 Speaker 3: message me and say, is the baby bell protein black 566 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:41,600 Speaker 3: baby bells better than the red baby Bells? 567 00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:43,240 Speaker 2: And I said to her, Oh, I don't know. Actually, 568 00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:43,639 Speaker 2: let me have. 569 00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:45,760 Speaker 1: A look slightly slightly aren't there. 570 00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:49,520 Speaker 3: So the black baby bell protein has five grams of 571 00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:53,240 Speaker 3: protein and the regular baby Bell's got four point seven. 572 00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:54,520 Speaker 2: How funny is that. 573 00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:55,440 Speaker 1: I've looked at it. 574 00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:56,200 Speaker 2: I've looked that up before. 575 00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:57,960 Speaker 1: I had a client asked me the same thing, and 576 00:24:58,040 --> 00:24:58,760 Speaker 1: I said the same thing. 577 00:24:58,760 --> 00:24:59,440 Speaker 2: I'm I'm not sure. 578 00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:01,800 Speaker 1: Let's look at and we did and we were like, oh, like, 579 00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:04,359 Speaker 1: they're barely I recommend. I've been recommending to stand that 580 00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:07,160 Speaker 1: little baby bell cheese is little protein hit for years now, 581 00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:09,040 Speaker 1: and then when they brought out the black protein one, 582 00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:11,040 Speaker 1: I was like, interesting, just goes to show the power 583 00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:12,960 Speaker 1: of marketing right. People wouldn't read it. They just pick 584 00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:13,800 Speaker 1: up the protein one. 585 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:17,960 Speaker 3: Oh, that is shocking zero point three difference, and they're 586 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:20,040 Speaker 3: calling one protein and one anot. I just thought that 587 00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:24,400 Speaker 3: is a classic example of supermarket it's so bad, it's funny. 588 00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:25,920 Speaker 2: You know, this is food marketers. 589 00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:28,360 Speaker 3: They they don't really care, but they're happy to sell 590 00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:30,600 Speaker 3: more products, so they stick protein and off it goes. 591 00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:32,320 Speaker 3: So I'd be interested to look at the sales of 592 00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:34,719 Speaker 3: the protein versus the red I think it probably does 593 00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:37,919 Speaker 3: pretty well. Anyway, Helene, this one for you. That's why 594 00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:40,840 Speaker 3: I wanted to quickly spot rolls because this was not 595 00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:43,479 Speaker 3: around when I had my kids, but it's very popular nowadays. 596 00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:46,040 Speaker 3: I see dietitians online with babies through it all the time, 597 00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:48,880 Speaker 3: and a list of questions come through on an Instagram account, 598 00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:50,520 Speaker 3: and that's the best way to get in contact with us. 599 00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:52,520 Speaker 3: We do go through and pull questions from there all 600 00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:55,480 Speaker 3: the time, so it's just an nutritioncouch dot com. 601 00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:56,760 Speaker 2: And we also have our. 602 00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:59,959 Speaker 3: Design by Dietitians Instagram which is about our product rate, 603 00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:03,080 Speaker 3: which includes our Nourished Protein powder and hopefully soon our 604 00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:03,960 Speaker 3: hot chocolate powder. 605 00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:05,800 Speaker 2: As we formulate it to taste good. 606 00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:09,320 Speaker 3: But the question that came through today leanne are gelatine 607 00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:11,680 Speaker 3: gummies good for kids? 608 00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:14,920 Speaker 1: So gelatine gumm it's not like not gummy multi vitamins. 609 00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:16,840 Speaker 1: That's where I thought you were going. You mean gelatine 610 00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:19,680 Speaker 1: gumm No, like gelatine gummies. You know how people make 611 00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:23,520 Speaker 1: that stuff? Now, yeah, I've seen you make them. I've 612 00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:26,960 Speaker 1: made them, yeah, exactly, So why are you doing that? 613 00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:30,960 Speaker 1: So the ones that I buy are from Neutra Organics. 614 00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:32,720 Speaker 1: I buy the gelatine powder from them and I got 615 00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:35,880 Speaker 1: the molds as well, So there's nothing wrong with them, 616 00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:36,560 Speaker 1: Like do you know what I mean? 617 00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:38,479 Speaker 2: Like, there's nothing because I don't understand what they're for. 618 00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:41,320 Speaker 3: Like I understand the multi vitamin gummies, Like you're giving 619 00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:42,560 Speaker 3: kids the vitamins in like. 620 00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:44,760 Speaker 2: A lolly, so they eat it. But why are people 621 00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:46,160 Speaker 2: making these gummies? What's it for? 622 00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:48,480 Speaker 1: It's it's different to a lolly. So instead of giving 623 00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:50,479 Speaker 1: your kids like a lot like a bag of lollies, 624 00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:53,080 Speaker 1: basically you're giving them like a healthy gelatin gummy. So 625 00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:56,440 Speaker 1: there's a lot of I would say natural health therapists 626 00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:58,600 Speaker 1: who will say that gelatin's very good for your gut. 627 00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:00,520 Speaker 1: It helps hear your gut, that sort of thing, like 628 00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:02,760 Speaker 1: it is a good you know, amino acid, but it doesn't. 629 00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:04,720 Speaker 1: There's not a whole lot of research that it actually 630 00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:08,119 Speaker 1: is gut healing like it's promoted. But I have certainly 631 00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:10,120 Speaker 1: made these for mer and she loves them because she's 632 00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:12,159 Speaker 1: finally at that age where she's at the park and 633 00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:14,680 Speaker 1: she sees kids with lollies and with chocolate and I'm like, no, 634 00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:17,480 Speaker 1: Mommy didn't bring that, But I bought you a gelatin gummy. 635 00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:20,560 Speaker 1: And what it does is that there's I buy the 636 00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:21,639 Speaker 1: brand from Neutra Organic. 637 00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:22,159 Speaker 2: I quite like it. 638 00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:25,080 Speaker 1: They're called Gutsy Gummies and there's a strawberry, blueberry and 639 00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:28,320 Speaker 1: a mango flavor. They're not cheap, I will say, like 640 00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:30,600 Speaker 1: it's an investment, but I just thought it was a 641 00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:32,280 Speaker 1: fun little thing that we could do together and just 642 00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:33,800 Speaker 1: pop them in the fridge and they freeze them. 643 00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:35,400 Speaker 2: So it's an alternative to. 644 00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:38,760 Speaker 1: Basically giving your kids lollies so much I would say 645 00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:41,639 Speaker 1: better alternative. And yeah, they do have a little bit 646 00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:43,560 Speaker 1: of sort of protein amino acids and a bit of 647 00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:46,720 Speaker 1: that gelatine in there. They do promote it as supporting 648 00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:48,800 Speaker 1: gut well being. But as I said, I haven't been 649 00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:51,440 Speaker 1: able to see too much research that it does help 650 00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:53,399 Speaker 1: from a gut perspective. But what we do know that 651 00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:55,880 Speaker 1: gelatin for adults is really helpful for if you've ever 652 00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:58,439 Speaker 1: done your ACL. There's some really good research in the 653 00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:02,280 Speaker 1: rehab area four gelatin and four vitamin C. So if 654 00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:04,880 Speaker 1: you're recovering from a big injury you've done your ACL, 655 00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:07,360 Speaker 1: look up some of the research in terms of gelatin 656 00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:09,320 Speaker 1: and vitamin C because that is actually very strong from 657 00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:10,600 Speaker 1: a sports nutrition perspective. 658 00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:13,160 Speaker 2: Well, that's interesting. I haven't heard that either, So that's good. 659 00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:15,840 Speaker 3: Okay, very interesting, all rightly, and what that fixes to 660 00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:17,520 Speaker 3: the end of the Nutrition Couch for another week. If 661 00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:19,520 Speaker 3: you haven't already, please keep telling your friends about us. 662 00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:22,240 Speaker 3: We're pretty close to hitting five million downloads, which is 663 00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:23,240 Speaker 3: pretty proud. 664 00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:24,639 Speaker 2: It's only been just on three years. 665 00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:26,320 Speaker 3: We've been running the podcast, so we want to always 666 00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:28,560 Speaker 3: thank you for your support. 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