Speaker 1: Gooday, Peter, hell Ay you're here from You Ain't Seen
Speaker 1: Nothing Yet? The Movie Podcast, where we chat to movie
Speaker 1: lovers about classic and beloved movies they haven't quite got
Speaker 1: around to watching until now. And today's guests comedian Nath Valvo.
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Speaker 1: Nath Valvo is a bullet train of a comedian, fast,
Speaker 1: frenetic and laugh out loud funny. Nathan has an acid
Speaker 1: tongue and is completely contemporary. Despite this, he's also warm
Speaker 1: and Tipsy's hat to nostalgia. He never forgets the suburbs
Speaker 1: in which he grew up, suburbs in which I also
Speaker 1: happened to grow up in. Nathan and I actually went
Speaker 1: to the same school, Parade College in Bundura or beat
Speaker 1: about a decade or so Apart You're Angerby, You're Anger By.
Speaker 1: Nathan was also nominated for the Barrier Award, the prestigious
Speaker 1: Barrier Award at the Melbourne International Comedy Festival a couple
Speaker 1: of years ago for a show which was one of
Speaker 1: my favorite shows I've seen in recent years of anyone's.
Speaker 1: Nathan has also started a new podcast called Thumbs Up
Speaker 1: Thumbs Down, based on a popular section of his local newspaper,
Speaker 1: which was my old local newspaper, The Diamond Valley Leader
Speaker 1: or the Dimond Belly News. It's an actually cracker. I
Speaker 1: guessed on it recently with Susie Yusuff, who was also
Speaker 1: you may have heard on this very podcast. He should
Speaker 1: check it out Thumbs Up thumbs Down. In the meantime,
Speaker 1: Nathan is right here.
Speaker 3: Gooday, I am comedian, extraordinary nath Valvo and my favorite
Speaker 3: three movies which was very hard to pick, by the way,
Speaker 3: Pete Hallier. But I've settled on The Exorcist, excellent, Jurassic.
Speaker 4: Park, Life.
Speaker 3: Times Aware, a Murial's wedding.
Speaker 4: This is the nineties, you listen to the baby animals.
Speaker 3: And up until last night, a movie I had never
Speaker 3: seen which is actually quite shocking to me is Beetlejuice.
Speaker 1: Yes, in the words of director Tim Burton, Beetlejuice is
Speaker 1: scary but not a horror, funny but not a comedy.
Speaker 1: Beetle Juice exists on its own and with a night
Speaker 1: to German expressionism. Salvoid, Dary, Doctor Susan and Love of
Speaker 1: Stop Animation nineteen eighty eight. Beetlejuice is both familiar and
Speaker 1: alien as the sweet and in love Maitland's Alec Bordwin
Speaker 1: and Geena Davis have died suddenly in a car accident
Speaker 1: and find themselves in a bizarre limbo, now needing to
Speaker 1: scare their new tenants, the postmodern design loving Deet's family
Speaker 1: Jeffrey Jones and Catherine O'Hara, with their gothic daughter Lydia,
Speaker 1: played beautifully by When I'm a Writer, They need a
Speaker 1: certain creature named Beetlejuice to help. In Beetlejuice, it's the
Speaker 1: humans who haunt the ghosts, making this nineteen eighty eight
Speaker 1: classic a whole lot of fun. Nate Valvo, Welcome.
Speaker 3: Pete Hellier. Thank you so much for giving me homework
Speaker 3: that involved watching a movie.
Speaker 2: I'm not so you've been sarcastic.
Speaker 4: No.
Speaker 1: Most podcasts you just rock up and the microphones are
Speaker 1: turned on and your chat.
Speaker 2: But I do appreciate the time it takes to watch
Speaker 2: a film.
Speaker 3: As I text you about it. When we were locking
Speaker 3: this in, I said, I'll try and find the time
Speaker 3: in my schedule of watching movies.
Speaker 1: To watch a movie for you missing out on a little
Speaker 1: of the TV that you could be watching.
Speaker 3: I'll find the time Pete.
Speaker 2: His Beetlejuice, something that's weighed on you that you hadn't
Speaker 2: seen it.
Speaker 3: I yes, for so many reasons. One it is it's
Speaker 3: one of those movies that the people that do love
Speaker 3: it really love it. And if you grew up in
Speaker 3: a Beetlejuice household, you really did like on the VHS
Speaker 3: you smashed it a lot. I have a lot of
Speaker 3: memories of friends, cousins just loving this movie. And I
Speaker 3: don't know why the Valvo household never had Beetlejuice, never
Speaker 3: had the tape, never watched it.
Speaker 2: Well, the Holly household was there saying this.
Speaker 1: I had never seen the film until last night, right,
Speaker 1: So I will get into what we thought of it
Speaker 1: soon before we What I like to do is put
Speaker 1: in context your your movie loves.
Speaker 2: Yes, That's why I get you to name your favorite
Speaker 2: three films.
Speaker 1: I know it's tough, so hard, and there's always in
Speaker 1: some apologies and feel free to throw a few in,
Speaker 1: but let's talk The Exorcist.
Speaker 3: Yes, scary, it's absolutely shit scary.
Speaker 2: When did you watch it quite young? Do you know
Speaker 2: what my.
Speaker 3: Parents were doing there? There's two horror movies that have
Speaker 3: really stayed with me for my entire life, The Exorcist
Speaker 3: and It the Original. It yes, that that scarred a
Speaker 3: whole generation of most of us. I still can't look
Speaker 3: at a drain comfortably.
Speaker 2: Clowns.
Speaker 3: Clowns, that's a fine interesting.
Speaker 2: Clowns are fine, but it's the drain.
Speaker 3: It's the drains before we get into the exos. I
Speaker 3: have to do it because I was tossing and turning
Speaker 3: in my bed last night. Peter Hawley, are about this
Speaker 3: bloody top three?
Speaker 2: I'd have to quickly what are the apologies?
Speaker 3: Are the apologies? If you made one of these films?
Speaker 3: I apologize you weren't. In my final Top three, Psycho,
Speaker 3: a League of their own death becomes her matrix, Home Alone,
Speaker 3: Wizard of Oz, Sixth Sense, Godfather, Rocky Horror, Silence of
Speaker 3: the Lamps.
Speaker 1: That's all we have time for. What that becomes her
Speaker 1: is like, this's got connection. I guess to beetle Juice.
Speaker 2: Doesn't it surreal?
Speaker 3: It's over the top. It's weird, bad effects that you
Speaker 3: don't know were done bad on purpose. It's yeah, it's
Speaker 3: stupid and over the top. But yeah, but the if
Speaker 3: you want to kick off right there with the links.
Speaker 3: The reason it's weird for me that I haven't seen
Speaker 3: Beetlejuice is Tim Burton has made two movies that I
Speaker 3: absolutely love. One he made my favorite Batman, Batman Begins.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so Batman begins before, But so Batman begins was
Speaker 1: Nolan was sorry?
Speaker 3: So no, no, no, Batman returns. Sorry everyone, Sorry movie nerds.
Speaker 3: Shamey on Twitter, your losers. We phones are going off
Speaker 3: only get canceled on Batman forums, your lesson. So Batman
Speaker 3: Begins is my favorite Batman. That's the one with Penguin
Speaker 3: and Catwoman Michelle Faiffer, and it's just the best. It's pop,
Speaker 3: it's stupid, it's comical, it's.
Speaker 1: It still kind of takes the darkness of Batman that
Speaker 1: he made in ninety and now I think Batman returns
Speaker 1: his ninety two but it's a bit it's a bit
Speaker 1: more fun.
Speaker 3: It's just fun. It's like you're on a you're about
Speaker 3: to go on a ride. Yeah, And that's why, like
Speaker 3: Jurassic Parks, him is in the top three, Because I'm
Speaker 3: not a movie snob, much like the way I go
Speaker 3: my comedy. I don't want to think all the time. Yeah,
Speaker 3: sometimes I'm just there to have a really nice time
Speaker 3: and just to escape. Yeah, so I do love a
Speaker 3: pop movie. Yeah, sign me up to a mindless action.
Speaker 2: Do you see Jurassic Park in cinemas when?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I did. But the Exorcise, sorry, I've
Speaker 3: gone very far away. That's sorry, Pete is bad. I'm
Speaker 3: just so excited to be around people.
Speaker 1: We should say this is we're recording this literally hours
Speaker 1: before Victoria, the state we leaving goes into another lockdown.
Speaker 2: A second monck have a six weeks so where this
Speaker 2: is the last thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I was very excited to get a coffee
Speaker 1: before I came in here, and who knows what's ahead
Speaker 1: of us.
Speaker 3: I've been running up and down the street, just licking
Speaker 3: strangers on the I'm going out with a bang. So
Speaker 3: the exercise The Exorcist, to this day, every time I
Speaker 3: watch it, I am genuinely terrified, Like I have never
Speaker 3: gotten used to that movie, and you can't say that
Speaker 3: about many movies made. Every single time I watch it,
Speaker 3: it is a kick in the guard. Yeah, it is
Speaker 3: so scary and so good and so dark, and even
Speaker 3: just the opening, like twenty minutes or so, where there's
Speaker 3: something wrong with her, the girl, and it's just these
Speaker 3: really long, engated scenes of her in the hospital having
Speaker 3: all the tests done, she's going to the machines, and
Speaker 3: how load it all is and how it's just really grim.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I love it.
Speaker 1: Yeah it's bad, but no, because I have a weird
Speaker 1: relationship with horror films, so I'm really reluctant to go
Speaker 1: see them. I'm aways, I'm always I'm always trying to
Speaker 1: talk myself out of seeing them. But I feel like
Speaker 1: it's like it's like a ride where you go and
Speaker 1: you are a little bit nervous, then you're petrified, and
Speaker 1: then you feel really good about seeing it and having.
Speaker 2: Survived it might not be it.
Speaker 1: I saw The Excess when I was like late teens,
Speaker 1: and I really enjoyed it. You know, it freaks me
Speaker 1: out enough, but I also liked it a nightmare and
Speaker 1: Elm Street was the one that I remember as a kid,
Speaker 1: that being that's that was proper scary.
Speaker 3: And you can't escape that because it gets you in
Speaker 3: your in your dreams in that movie.
Speaker 2: He visits me.
Speaker 3: Still still the reason you're reluctant about horror is bad
Speaker 3: horror sucks, and there is so much horror done. Bad
Speaker 3: is so shit. Yeah, at least with comedy, even if
Speaker 3: you don't absolutely love it, there's a little charm. It's
Speaker 3: it's watchable. Yeah, but bad horror is so bad.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and in the eighties there was a lot of
Speaker 2: bad horror.
Speaker 3: Still the last few years horror has gotten a lot better. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's becoming really good again.
Speaker 2: Well, the where there's something like The Invisible Man, which
Speaker 2: is Lee When Now did you see that?
Speaker 3: I haven't seen it yet.
Speaker 1: I love I loved it. Now, I'm not sure if
Speaker 1: that's horror. It feels like more suspense thriller thriller.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Have you seen Hereditary?
Speaker 2: No, that's ton again. It's it's one that I go,
Speaker 2: I know, I know, I should watch it.
Speaker 3: That's a ten out of ten horror film that is
Speaker 3: actually amazing.
Speaker 2: The Quiet Place loved it, Yeah, I love that Quiet Place.
Speaker 3: Hereditary Get Out obviously is really good.
Speaker 2: It's amazing.
Speaker 3: Let the right one in. He's a really good.
Speaker 2: I've seen that sort of Norwegian version.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So now someone has SBS on demand.
Speaker 1: It's worth the spence fancy pays with the subtitles over here.
Speaker 2: Very quick a Norwegian version.
Speaker 3: And I also what I also love about The Exorcist, most.
Speaker 2: Of the American version, this is the American version.
Speaker 3: There is the TV series, I haven't watched it yet,
Speaker 3: is that you never actually technically see the bad gown. Now,
Speaker 3: this is going to get very technical here. With horror
Speaker 3: movie nerds, Yep, if I watch a horror movie or
Speaker 3: a monster movie, the second you see it, whoever that is,
Speaker 3: I lose interest. Yeah, And so all my favorite kind
Speaker 3: of horror thriller movies, you never really see the real
Speaker 3: spooky person. Like the Blair Witch Project was awesome. That
Speaker 3: scared pants off me when I was a teenager. So
Speaker 3: in the Exorcist, she's possessed, so you see her a lot,
Speaker 3: but you actually never see the actual devil. Yeah, and
Speaker 3: to me that's very scary.
Speaker 1: But I think if you watch any of those really
Speaker 1: great films, it's it's the case and you only realize
Speaker 1: I think when you maybe you are really watching the film,
Speaker 1: like you know you're scared when you're younger, or if
Speaker 1: you're not thinking about you just know you're scared, and
Speaker 1: that's the feeling you have, So that's that's what you
Speaker 1: go with. But when you kind of maybe analyze it
Speaker 1: or really go back and watch it again, like I mean,
Speaker 1: Jaws is the classic example that the shark you know
Speaker 1: what it appears, Beetlejuice is only in We'll get that,
Speaker 1: but he's only in seventeen minutes of the film. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and he doesn't appear for the first twenty five minutes.
Speaker 1: So yeah, that's great. Jurassic Park.
Speaker 3: Jurassic Park. How good is Jurassic Park?
Speaker 2: It is great.
Speaker 1: I never saw it in the cinema Weirdly, some you know,
Speaker 1: the more I'm doing this podcast, the more I just
Speaker 1: kind of I don't know why I haven't seen certain films,
Speaker 1: and I do I think have some reason prejudice against
Speaker 1: films that I go, oh, it's to being popular or
Speaker 1: even though I'm a massive Star Wars fan. It doesn't
Speaker 1: make sense. But for some reason I did not click
Speaker 1: with the Jurassic Park phenomenon when it was in cinemas.
Speaker 3: I don't love the sequels, so we can leave them
Speaker 3: where they are. But Jurassic Park as a movie is
Speaker 3: just you just can't beat it. It's just old school,
Speaker 3: like puppetry. It's like there's hardly any cgi. That's also
Speaker 3: why I love about Beetlejuice. Is that dinosaurs real? That
Speaker 3: t rex scene, it's a real t rex. Yeah, yes,
Speaker 3: it's a motor But I just love Jurassic Park. It's
Speaker 3: just one of those. If it's on, I'll watch it
Speaker 3: to the end every time. It's so so quotable.
Speaker 1: I think when I when it came out, I was
Speaker 1: really into kind of big historical dramas to dance with wolves,
Speaker 1: your Brave Hearts.
Speaker 3: There's dinosaurs in Jurassic Park, Peter.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's dinosaurs in Brave Heart.
Speaker 3: There's dinosaurs. They did exist, unless you're some weird flat Earth.
Speaker 2: The most historical drama.
Speaker 3: It's a period piece. Jurassic Park is a period piece.
Speaker 1: You So you mentioned a sequels, which are you referring
Speaker 1: to the sequels that came out years after all of
Speaker 1: the recent reboots?
Speaker 3: Both all of them, all four of them kind of.
Speaker 1: Suck because I saw the recent ones with my kids
Speaker 1: because they were at the right age and they I
Speaker 1: quite enjoyed them.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Fun, hasn't there fun?
Speaker 2: They're just adding in the thing.
Speaker 3: Besides, again, like Jurassic Park, again, like Beetlejuice, it takes
Speaker 3: so long for us to see the first dinosaur in
Speaker 3: Jurassic Park, so long, easily over a half an hour
Speaker 3: before they even go to the island, And even when
Speaker 3: they get to the island, it's still so much more
Speaker 3: has to happen. It's even a scene where they sit
Speaker 3: at a table in dinner with a lawyer talking about,
Speaker 3: you know, public liability insurance. But you watch it even
Speaker 3: as a kid because you know the promise of dinosaurs
Speaker 3: is dangled in front of you from the very beginning.
Speaker 3: So you wait and you wait and you wait. And
Speaker 3: then that first opening shot where you do see the
Speaker 3: dinosaurs where they're like walking across the pond on the
Speaker 3: big oval.
Speaker 2: The oval, the hills and the range.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he like takes his sunglasses off that iconic
Speaker 3: shot to look at them. It's like, what a payoff
Speaker 3: makes that whole first chunk worth it.
Speaker 2: It is a really good point.
Speaker 1: I mean, we talk about holding off the monster, but
Speaker 1: the master filmmakers know that the audience knows that there's
Speaker 1: going to be dinosaurs in this film.
Speaker 2: They're going in with some certain knowledge.
Speaker 3: I saw the poster.
Speaker 1: Imagine imagine if we learned that there was no dinosaurs
Speaker 1: in the original Jurassic part and it didn't.
Speaker 2: It didn't test screen well.
Speaker 1: And all the comments were listen, we were expecting at
Speaker 1: least one dinosaur, so they had to go back in
Speaker 1: and put dinosaurs in a great, great selection. Muriel's wedding
Speaker 1: has come up before on this who was I will
Speaker 1: let you know at another time.
Speaker 3: You've forgotten how offensive to that person.
Speaker 2: I have mentioned.
Speaker 3: That seems to be on brand and I would love
Speaker 3: Muriel's wedding. That all checks out.
Speaker 1: When we have I think I mentioned in that episode
Speaker 1: that I think the Holy Trilogy of Australian comedies is
Speaker 1: Muriel's wedding Crocodile Dundee in the Castle.
Speaker 3: I would swap Crocodile Dundee with Priscilla gest Yes, the
Speaker 3: top three didn't know you were such a raging homophobe.
Speaker 2: That's the headline. That is the headline, clickbait. Why would
Speaker 2: I put my your reals wedding in there?
Speaker 3: Muriel's wedding, much like how The Exorcist scares me every time.
Speaker 3: Every single time I watch Mirror's Wedding, which I haven't
Speaker 3: seen no movie more, I will laugh at something new
Speaker 3: every single time I watched that movie. I will find
Speaker 3: something every time. The reason I love it the most
Speaker 3: is my favorite comedy is when it's a tinge of
Speaker 3: actual depression and darkness.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Mountaincholie and.
Speaker 3: That movie is so dark.
Speaker 1: I won't go back over all the same points I
Speaker 1: made with m but the scene, the certain scenes. The
Speaker 1: mum is a heartbreak, this walking heartbreak. Bill Hunter at
Speaker 1: her funeral when he talks about giving the telegraph from
Speaker 1: Bob Hawk, he's.
Speaker 3: Just his brother out China, stand up Bill Hair's lot.
Speaker 5: You can't stop progress.
Speaker 3: It's the most quotable movie I've ever seen. If I
Speaker 3: can't type, how come I got my secretarial diploma because I.
Speaker 2: Paid for it?
Speaker 3: Don't start with me. I'll go on all the day. So, yeah,
Speaker 3: it's the most quotable movie I've ever seen. It's Australians.
Speaker 3: I think it's like half the reason why I want
Speaker 3: to get into comedy is that kind of that zone
Speaker 3: of like sad funny is the hot spot for me.
Speaker 1: And also it had that double puncher going wow, who
Speaker 1: are these two extraordinary actresses we hadn't seen before in
Speaker 1: Tony Collett and Rachel Griffis.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's almost like when filmmakers cast people just for
Speaker 3: who's best for the job, it's almost like it makes
Speaker 3: the movie really good. It's almost like if the industry
Speaker 3: gave people a shot because they were great.
Speaker 2: It won't happen. It won't happen.
Speaker 1: No, you're absolutely right, and whether that was because you know,
Speaker 1: sometimes it's who knows. They may have offered it to
Speaker 1: Nicole Kidman. But I often believe you get you quite
Speaker 1: often when shows are successful TV or films, you generally
Speaker 1: get the cast that's you want or that you need. Now,
Speaker 1: outside of casting, you know, there's a obviously we need
Speaker 1: to cast more diverse. But all I'm saying is when
Speaker 1: you often want somebody and they can't do it, often
Speaker 1: there's a reason. It ends up being, ah, okay, we
Speaker 1: actually needed this person, So meals winning is great, great,
Speaker 1: selections diverse, and you had about a thousand apologies. We
Speaker 1: won't get into all of those, So let's talk beetle juice.
Speaker 1: Can I just point out, so this film comes out
Speaker 1: in nine to eighty eight. I'm five, You're five, a
Speaker 1: stalar year for film, I think, for Hollywood in particular
Speaker 1: and for comedy. Check out these films in nineteen eighty eight,
Speaker 1: Who Framed Roger, Rabbit, Heathers, a Fish Cord, Wonder Coming
Speaker 1: to America, Big and the Naked Gun, Midnight Run, Crocodile,
Speaker 1: Dundee Twins, Caddyshak Two, Scrooged, Working Girl, Dirty Rotten Scoundrels.
Speaker 1: On top of that, there's some pretty decent dramas as well,
Speaker 1: A rain Man die Hard action film, Cocktail Beach's Mystic Peacha,
Speaker 1: The Accused, Mississippi Burning Willow Dangerously, Aisan scrillas in the Mist.
Speaker 2: That's not a bad year.
Speaker 3: That's I thought that would have been the nineties all up. Yeah,
Speaker 3: like that's a decade movie.
Speaker 2: It sounds like a decade of movies is actually one year?
Speaker 3: Ye missic Pizza. Oh, sign me up to that movie too.
Speaker 1: By the way, it's one of Julia Roberts maybe first film.
Speaker 3: I think it is the first film.
Speaker 1: So this comes out in eighty eight. It's Tim Burton's
Speaker 1: second film. He's made Pee Weee's Big Adventure, and that
Speaker 1: gives him a bit of credit, a bit of credit.
Speaker 2: I hadn't seen Pee's Big Adventure.
Speaker 3: I've never been a big pew still haven't seen it.
Speaker 1: No, I think it's Australia has kind of skipped that.
Speaker 1: I think as a strange have gone no.
Speaker 3: And I think it's proven to be a good choice
Speaker 3: right now that what we know about him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that didn't help.
Speaker 1: Yes, a certain incident in a movie cinema google it.
Speaker 1: So he makes he makes beetle juice and he goes
Speaker 1: on too Batman and then this kicks off the tim button.
Speaker 1: It's Edwards his hands as Batman returns as Edward and
Speaker 1: then he goes So what did you think of it?
Speaker 3: I did love it. It's very poppy and silly and fine.
Speaker 3: It's definitely one of those movies where I feel that
Speaker 3: you need to have a personal connection with it to
Speaker 3: love it, like I enjoyed it. Yeah, the the opening
Speaker 3: credits with the Danny Elfman theme, that alone had me in.
Speaker 2: It was great, wasn't it.
Speaker 3: It's easily one of the best movie scores I've ever
Speaker 3: I've heard.
Speaker 1: And the opening shot where it's sweeping across that town
Speaker 1: thing supposed to be kinetic or something, and and it
Speaker 1: just and then it gets to.
Speaker 2: The model house and you know, it's kind of is
Speaker 2: it been? The transition?
Speaker 1: And then the Spider comes over and there Alex Borden
Speaker 1: takes the spider and then he leaves.
Speaker 2: It's amazing.
Speaker 3: It's a bit bit of an ash acid trip. Alec
Speaker 3: Baldwin's hot ass in it, by the way, he was
Speaker 3: nailing Brunswick like in nineteen eighty eight. Just go and
Speaker 3: google image how Alec Baldwin looked in this movie. It
Speaker 3: was like, Oh, he's worked it out three decades earlier,
Speaker 3: so he looks real. He's super hot on itr Gena Davis,
Speaker 3: the cast in this movie is how I never seen
Speaker 3: this movie because I'm a huge Geena Davis fan. She's
Speaker 3: in olig of their Own, one of my favorite movies
Speaker 3: of all time. And also Long Kiss good Night, which
Speaker 3: was on my favorite action films.
Speaker 2: Samuel Jackson.
Speaker 3: That's an amazing movie.
Speaker 2: It's a great one, and I think.
Speaker 3: The Bourne identity the books copied that movie.
Speaker 2: By the way.
Speaker 1: Okay, just can of worms. We cannot afford to be sued.
Speaker 3: One oder writer. But obviously the biggest draw card for me,
Speaker 3: Catherine O'Hara is in this movie.
Speaker 1: I'm so glad you mentioned and unknew you would, so
Speaker 1: she's in this movie. It must have been around the time,
Speaker 1: maybe a year or two before Homer Aligne. She was
Speaker 1: in home alone, but there was a bit of Moira Rose.
Speaker 2: For those Ship's Creek.
Speaker 1: There really is about the wardrobe going on.
Speaker 2: It's that standing war job.
Speaker 1: If you haven't seen Shit's Creak and yeah, so I
Speaker 1: love Shit's Creek and I implore everybody to watch it
Speaker 1: for so many reasons. One because it's so bloody funny.
Speaker 1: But I always say to any costume designer I meet
Speaker 1: or i'm working with, you know you're not doing your
Speaker 1: job if you haven't watched Shit's Creek. Because Moira Rose's outfits.
Speaker 3: You sound like a thrill to work with. Peter Hallett
Speaker 3: continue on and.
Speaker 1: Then others stare them down until they watch it, and
Speaker 1: then they end up finding it on their phones on YouTube.
Speaker 1: I'm still staring they watched a few minutes ago, that
Speaker 1: the whole.
Speaker 3: Series, not just the bloopers.
Speaker 2: Karen, you're cheating.
Speaker 3: Uh yeah, that's so funny that you mentioned Moro because
Speaker 3: I did think that as well. The jet black hair,
Speaker 3: the obsession with like other people liking you know, the
Speaker 3: start at subsession, Yeah.
Speaker 2: And accessorizing some of that.
Speaker 1: There's a scene where I think the dinner party which
Speaker 1: she's got this kind of black glove on her kind
Speaker 1: of forehead, and she's I think she takes her husband's
Speaker 1: played by Jeffrey Jones' red sweater and now has it
Speaker 1: tied around her waist.
Speaker 3: It's it's I wonder maybe if there's some sort of
Speaker 3: deep dive you can do on the internet. I wonder
Speaker 3: if she has something to do with both of those
Speaker 3: choices that she's playing people that are very linked to
Speaker 3: costumes and outfits. Maybe that's her.
Speaker 1: I think she is a big collaborator, and I think
Speaker 1: certainly on Shit's Creek she brought a lot of that
Speaker 1: character to the Levi's Daniel and using Levy and certainly
Speaker 1: the voice and the she came up with the accent
Speaker 1: wherever the fact that's from it's hilarious.
Speaker 2: So I think you absolutely right, But she is. I
Speaker 2: just love watching her.
Speaker 3: And also that she's a villain is so cool. Yeah,
Speaker 3: because she's so sweet and my mom in home alone
Speaker 3: in my list, but yeah, she's the villain. She's need
Speaker 3: to be the bad guy, which is even better.
Speaker 1: And put together with another bad guy we recognized from
Speaker 1: as Ed Rooney from First Bueller's Day Off, Jeffrey Jones's
Speaker 1: never he's never the cool guy.
Speaker 2: He's never the nice guy.
Speaker 3: I would never know his name. If you said Jeffrey Jones,
Speaker 3: I looked it up. Yeah, but if you google him,
Speaker 3: you'll go oh him. He's in so many eighties and
Speaker 3: nineties movies.
Speaker 2: Yep, as the bad guy, always the bad guy.
Speaker 3: He's always the authority. So yes, the fact that she's
Speaker 3: in it and I haven't seen it, I was offended
Speaker 3: myself and thought I'd let myself down. So she's awesome,
Speaker 3: world's first emo. Yeah, she just nailed Angry Distant and
Speaker 3: you bet a teenage girl.
Speaker 1: And you watch her, and this is her first major film.
Speaker 1: She made two films I think previous to this, and
Speaker 1: Tim Burton had seen one and really liked. And that's
Speaker 1: way because everybody apparently you know you Sarah Jisica Parker's
Speaker 1: or the for this Juliet Lewis.
Speaker 2: It goes to one out of right.
Speaker 1: And it kind of like it feels like it kind
Speaker 1: of frames her career, like you know, this sets her
Speaker 1: off in making these kind of gothic or kind of
Speaker 1: offbeat kind of characters in often independent quirking, a lot
Speaker 1: of black films, a lot of black girl interrupted Heathers, Dracula, Hermaids, Mermaids.
Speaker 2: There's one she's actually Edwards is her Hands of Reality Bites.
Speaker 3: And I'm not taking this away from her because I
Speaker 3: am I am a fan, but she's basically the same
Speaker 3: person in like four films. She's exactly the same in
Speaker 3: this as she is in Mermaids.
Speaker 2: You can make that argument.
Speaker 3: Yes, and Casper. It's the second movie with guys. It's
Speaker 3: her in Casper, isn't it.
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, I think I'm sure she's in Casper.
Speaker 1: Casper doesn't loom large in my.
Speaker 3: Made my top three apologies.
Speaker 1: You're not doing an apology to Casper. We've got a
Speaker 1: John line somewhere. But she's Yeah, and then almost I
Speaker 1: say bookend ended because you know her career hopefully runs
Speaker 1: for a much longer, but you know she's back doing
Speaker 1: stranger things.
Speaker 2: Yeah, almost playing an older version of some of these characters.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So she's great. Jim Davis is great.
Speaker 1: And of course, of course, Michael Keaton, what do you
Speaker 1: think of what do you think of beetle Juice?
Speaker 2: Here outcome movie?
Speaker 3: So as we spoke already about the holding off of
Speaker 3: dinosaurs in Jurassic Park in my top three. You'll welcome Spielberg.
Speaker 3: I'm sure he's subscribed to this podcast. Yes, it takes
Speaker 3: a really long time for Beetlejuice to appear again. The
Speaker 3: promise of Beetle Juice coming has you hooked, and he
Speaker 3: keeps watching and watching. You said before like twenty five minutes.
Speaker 3: I think it's even longer than that. I think he
Speaker 3: doesn't properly kick off, like the forty minute mark.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, yes, yeah, I think he's maybe he's mentioned,
Speaker 1: maybe he's mentioned in the firstbably.
Speaker 3: Formed talking like forty forty five minutes. I wrote my
Speaker 3: little notepad here in a ninety minute movie, that's that's
Speaker 3: a pretty risky, ballsy move to make.
Speaker 1: Well, he's only in I think seventeen and a half
Speaker 1: minutes of the film. There's a few conflicting reports read
Speaker 1: forty and a half, but I think it's seventeen and
Speaker 1: a half.
Speaker 2: And only shot for two weeks.
Speaker 1: And even the scene in the waiting room which appears
Speaker 1: right at the end, they reaped that they shot that
Speaker 1: after the test audience has said there's not enough beetle
Speaker 1: Juice in this Beetle Juice movie.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean he's really great and very funny. I mean,
Speaker 3: look somethings are a little bit uncomfortable from that.
Speaker 1: Well, originally it was supposed to be the original Scooters
Speaker 1: was much darker, where Beetlejuice was supposed to appear as
Speaker 1: like a winged demon and whose human form was a
Speaker 1: tiny Middle Eastern man. That was that was the original thing.
Speaker 1: So Tim Burton hilarious, and he wanted he wanted to
Speaker 1: kill the Deets family and and rape Lidiar.
Speaker 2: So I think they made some good changes. I think
Speaker 2: they made some good changes.
Speaker 1: So I don't think the musical gets up based on
Speaker 1: that premise.
Speaker 3: No, Daddy Elfman's not signing up for the soundtrack. We
Speaker 3: need something here for this scene where he murders the parents,
Speaker 3: wants to have sex with the teenage girl. Okay, that's grim.
Speaker 1: So it's fascinating sometimes when you realize what a script
Speaker 1: was going to be absolutely.
Speaker 2: And then you know what it has become.
Speaker 3: It's His performance reminds me very much of Drop Dead Fred. Yes,
Speaker 3: very similar type of movie. Like this imaginary, crazy, uncontrollable
Speaker 3: pop up cartoon character. Yeah, I wonder if there was
Speaker 3: some sort of he created some sort of like new
Speaker 3: way to do a character don't you think he's very
Speaker 3: Genie from Aladdin, drop Dead Fred like that.
Speaker 1: Absolutely like he's and I know they consider casting Sammy
Speaker 1: Davis Junior. That was Tim Burton's first choice, which sounds weird,
Speaker 1: Like this sounds weird the first things, but then the
Speaker 1: idea of Beatle just being this kind of like showbi
Speaker 1: is kind of like, oh, you know, we're smoking and
Speaker 1: maybe you know, a whiskey in hand, tumbler, you know
Speaker 1: this making jokes and almost like you can see a
Speaker 1: version of that in Michael Keaton's performance as well.
Speaker 3: You know, he's really funny, he's really good. He's been
Speaker 3: around for a really long time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so he was pretty I think, pretty big going
Speaker 1: into this. I think he'd made mister Mum.
Speaker 3: He also has looked the same age for like thirty years.
Speaker 3: He's got the Steve Martins about him. Yeah, he's kind
Speaker 3: of I don't know if he was born old or
Speaker 3: he's aging well one of the two. He's just looked
Speaker 3: very similar for a very long time.
Speaker 1: Well a bit like when I write it, he kind
Speaker 1: of disappeared for a little while, didn't he, Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: a long time.
Speaker 2: He kind of re emerged with Birdman.
Speaker 3: Birdman was when he came, he was back. Yeah, but
Speaker 3: where's he gone again? He did that.
Speaker 2: Spotlight Spotlight, but I think I.
Speaker 1: Can't think of him right now, but I'm sure he's
Speaker 1: made some the written films as well. So also Dudley
Speaker 1: Moore and Sam Kinnison were considered for the role. What
Speaker 1: I like about this film at the start is just
Speaker 1: how economical it is getting into it.
Speaker 3: I have written in my little book here, no time wasting.
Speaker 3: They're dead. Within the first five minutes.
Speaker 2: They're dead. And they said to be very okay with it.
Speaker 3: Like to kill off your two main characters, which we've
Speaker 3: somehow already fallen for in two minutes because it's Geena
Speaker 3: Davis and she's just so lovable, and then they're dead,
Speaker 3: like they die instantly, and it's like, this is sick.
Speaker 3: This movie is not wasting anytime.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 1: And it's been interesting to see some of these classic
Speaker 1: movies and watch them again and realize that that, you know,
Speaker 1: depends what kind of movie you know you're trying to make.
Speaker 1: And Tim Burton knows exactly the film he's trying to make,
Speaker 1: and get out, get them and get out. You don't
Speaker 1: need to waste time So this is the ex happens
Speaker 1: at the seven and a half minute moment. So this
Speaker 1: is and this is the information I think we're given
Speaker 1: up until that. In seven and a half minutes, we
Speaker 1: meet the Maitland's Okay, we know Adam is a miniature
Speaker 1: railway enthusiast and hot and possibly from Brunswick thirty years
Speaker 1: in the future. And we know we know they are
Speaker 1: in love. We know they love their country house. We
Speaker 1: know it's too big for them, we know that they
Speaker 1: hope to fill it with a family. We know that
Speaker 1: they that's proved struggle. They're struggling how to kick with that,
Speaker 1: and we know the house is highly sought. And then
Speaker 1: that's seven and a half minutes. They are in a
Speaker 1: car accident in pretty innocuous that they get a dog.
Speaker 1: There's a weird barn that goes over that was odd
Speaker 1: a creek and they go through and they and they die.
Speaker 1: And then they're this in the house and just really
Speaker 1: generally accept that they are dead, which is and it's fine.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, let's talk about how good movies are that
Speaker 3: are ninety minutes. Oh my god, let's go back to
Speaker 3: a ninety minute movie. I don't want to watch something
Speaker 3: in installments. I don't want to have to cancel actual
Speaker 3: afternoon plans to dig into something. At what point did
Speaker 3: movie makers go this needs to be two and a
Speaker 3: half hours long? When did that happen? Pete? How are you?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a really interesting point. I mean in and
Speaker 1: out movie, I mean Going with the Wind was three and.
Speaker 2: A half hours, but no one had anything else to do.
Speaker 1: And now you've got the added documentaries before and Alf
Speaker 1: that you need to watch.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's a ninety minute movie. All movies
Speaker 3: should be.
Speaker 2: I think, I think listen.
Speaker 1: I am and like I said earlier, I was very
Speaker 1: happy to sit in the cinema in the nineties as
Speaker 1: a fifteen year old watching Braveheart.
Speaker 2: Yes Vouls JFK.
Speaker 1: I am completely okay about canceling plans to watch a movie.
Speaker 2: But I do think comedies. I don't love jad Apatow films.
Speaker 2: I really do so need an edit.
Speaker 1: But yeah, possibly, But at the same time, I like them.
Speaker 1: I like that they breathe, you know. And I but
Speaker 1: I must say, when I'm doing this podcast and I
Speaker 1: see that Beetle Juice is ninety minutes, it excites.
Speaker 2: We're very happy it excites me, and it does allow
Speaker 2: you to move, you know, at a really nice pace. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean my rule in movies is it shouldn't be
Speaker 3: longer than a flight to New Zealand. That's my general
Speaker 3: rule for movie length.
Speaker 2: You say, Peter Jackson himself has broken that rule multiple.
Speaker 3: Should Just you know, we've got things to do. Everyone's
Speaker 3: got things to do. And also we all watch movies
Speaker 3: now in mentally in installments. Checking your phone every ten minutes,
Speaker 3: you do another stuff. So let's not fuck around here.
Speaker 3: Let's just get it done. So I love that this
Speaker 3: movie didn't waste any time. I will say I didn't
Speaker 3: love as the three quarter mark a little bit of
Speaker 3: a lule starts to get a little bit repetitive towards
Speaker 3: the end, Yeah, a little bit bored before the final
Speaker 3: little crescendo bit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I kind of I would agree with that.
Speaker 1: I there was a bit of a dip and I
Speaker 1: lacked they maybe I like a bit of focus probably, yeah,
Speaker 1: but you know, hey, he'd be interested.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah I did also, right, Sorry, just another horror
Speaker 3: film that this reminded me of. I don't know if
Speaker 3: you've ever seen the others with Nicole Kidman's I have
Speaker 3: this is that's also a fantastic movie. Do we do
Speaker 3: spoilers on this?
Speaker 5: If you haven't seen the Others, just mute, go forward
Speaker 5: thirty seven seconds in the In the Others, it's Nicole
Speaker 5: Kidman and her two young children, and it's a haunted
Speaker 5: house story, and you think the whole movie they're hiding
Speaker 5: from ghosts because there's all these noises and things moving.
Speaker 3: And then the twist at the end is they're the
Speaker 3: dead family. They're the ghosts, and all the noises they're
Speaker 3: hearing are from the normal people that live in the
Speaker 3: house trying to get rid of them.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 3: I was like, oh, did the people that wrote The
Speaker 3: Other Sea Beetlejuice, because it's the same movie, just done
Speaker 3: in a different style. They've just made it a horror.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is in this It is the humans haunting
Speaker 1: the ghosts.
Speaker 2: It's interesting.
Speaker 1: I mean, there are probably lots of ideas where you
Speaker 1: could go, Okay, that's a comedy. Let's do a serious
Speaker 1: version of The Naked Gun.
Speaker 3: Yeah. When I see your shows, I'm like, oh, they
Speaker 3: should do this as a comedy. So I did. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I did maybe think of that movie. There was a
Speaker 3: bit of a lull. Can I tell you my favorite
Speaker 3: scene in the whole movie it was so joyful, is
Speaker 3: when they're around the table towards the end of the movie,
Speaker 3: and that's the first time Geena Davis and hot Alec
Speaker 3: Baldwin decide to haunt the family properly, and they do
Speaker 3: it by taking over the table, playing that music, possessing
Speaker 3: their bodies and making them dance to Don't Remember copyright.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 3: That scene is the best scene in the movie. It's
Speaker 3: just it goes for a little bit too long, which
Speaker 3: makes it even funnier because you start getting that second
Speaker 3: wave and I no one wants to hear the word
Speaker 3: second wave at the moment, but in a comedy sense,
Speaker 3: it's quite funny. I love that scene. It was just joy.
Speaker 3: Katherine Ohara owns it. She controlled that whole thing was the.
Speaker 1: Best, and Tim Burton was not keen on it. Oh
Speaker 1: one of that out and test audience has saved it.
Speaker 2: They loved it.
Speaker 3: That's a sex scene. Did you like it?
Speaker 2: What's that?
Speaker 3: The scene? Did you like? Six?
Speaker 2: Scene?
Speaker 3: Six scene?
Speaker 2: What did I so?
Speaker 3: I said sick to connect with the teens that are
Speaker 3: listening to this podcast.
Speaker 2: It's sick. It's random, it's a hectic scene.
Speaker 3: Nathe hanging on as I put my hat backwards. It's
Speaker 3: a yeah, that was my favorite moment because it was
Speaker 3: just what's missing from a lot of movies is joy.
Speaker 3: It's just it's just joyful. And if you're not smiling
Speaker 3: by the end of that scene, well.
Speaker 1: These films, if it's not fun, it's it's what's the
Speaker 1: point of this film?
Speaker 2: Could you see? Have you seen a musical? By any chance?
Speaker 1: I have not so any perfect Yes, a friend he
Speaker 1: wrote the musical, and I'm not sure where it's at
Speaker 1: at the moment. I'm not sure where the world's at
Speaker 1: at the moment, but I know it got off to
Speaker 1: the first couple of weeks, it was a bit rough,
Speaker 1: didn't get great reviews, but then people just like owned
Speaker 1: it and loved it and it was, you know, doing
Speaker 1: really well. And then it was kicked out of its
Speaker 1: of its theater by I think the music name, which
Speaker 1: Hugh Jackman, been all good for a.
Speaker 2: Couple of and so I'm not sure.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure where it's at, but people were loving it,
Speaker 1: which which is great because Eddie is a brilliant artist.
Speaker 1: But can you see how this will be like watching
Speaker 1: it and obviously we're doing it knowing that's somebody else.
Speaker 2: But it feels like a musical, doesn't.
Speaker 3: Of course, And I want them to remake Beetle Juice
Speaker 3: with money, because I'm guessing they didn't have any money
Speaker 3: just looking at the affairs.
Speaker 1: One million dollars. They made this film for what it
Speaker 1: is back in the Yeah, it's not much.
Speaker 3: That's not much at all. I want to know if
Speaker 3: because as I said again back to my Jurassic Park
Speaker 3: love that it's very minimal CGI. And I just do
Speaker 3: love a movie where you can tell they've built the
Speaker 3: bloody thing. That's a real set, That hand is real,
Speaker 3: that's a puppet, that's a real mansion or movie version
Speaker 3: of a mansion, even if it's a small scale one,
Speaker 3: which is a lot in this movie. I have a
Speaker 3: real soft spot for when things you can tell have
Speaker 3: been built. It's my love of the Wizard of Oz.
Speaker 3: It's that old school Hollywood thing, you know, build a set,
Speaker 3: get your freaking hammer and nail out and build it.
Speaker 3: I don't want some CGI ship because it.
Speaker 2: Can tell, you can always tell.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, maybe they should remake this film, but make it.
Speaker 2: They've got the musical.
Speaker 1: There make it as a musical.
Speaker 2: They're kind of hot right now because if.
Speaker 3: They made it but then they made Beetle Juice today,
Speaker 3: he'd be cg I'd he'd be completely cgi'ed.
Speaker 2: No, no, no.
Speaker 1: All you need is a director and a team that's
Speaker 1: committed to the idea of the spirit of the original film.
Speaker 2: But I think I think you're right.
Speaker 1: I think you can still make it have some effects
Speaker 1: that it even practical effects that are just better.
Speaker 3: I do love it in a movie when you can
Speaker 3: tell where the floor finishes and then the fake background
Speaker 3: just begins. They haven't even got rid of the masking
Speaker 3: tape down the bottom of the bit there. I love
Speaker 3: it in a movie when you can just tell, oh,
Speaker 3: that's fake from there. You know what sitcoms you can
Speaker 3: tell when they open the front door, there's just that
Speaker 3: phony house across the road.
Speaker 2: Picture or the little courtyard. It's just I.
Speaker 3: Kind of do love that in a movie, and there's
Speaker 3: a lot of that in this.
Speaker 1: But the thing about making it like a like a
Speaker 1: B movie in a way is that it felt like
Speaker 1: it hadn't aged really, because if you're trying to make
Speaker 1: it necessary, you know, like look as like you're trying
Speaker 1: to make Star Wars, then I think it would date.
Speaker 1: But because you accept that it's a bit schlucky, it
Speaker 1: means for me that I didn't feel like it had
Speaker 1: dated that much because I knew I was watching, you know,
Speaker 1: a B movie.
Speaker 3: There's some truly horrific effects.
Speaker 2: Yes, even in the.
Speaker 1: Darley kind of dream when they leave the house, it's
Speaker 1: like that's just the blue screen that you were supposed
Speaker 1: to put effects on.
Speaker 2: They just left.
Speaker 3: Left the screen. It's like they forget.
Speaker 1: I think I saw a gaffer in the in the
Speaker 1: background at one point. I like the waiting room.
Speaker 3: The waiting room is a great idea.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you've got the magician on in half, you know,
Speaker 1: you have the this I think he's supposed to be
Speaker 1: a Burns victim who's still smoking, throwing up the cigarette.
Speaker 3: And then there's there's a real there's that real There's
Speaker 3: a lot of darkness in this movie as well. There's
Speaker 3: nods to like suicide and depression and.
Speaker 1: Well there's apparently a scene where you can hear a
Speaker 1: airplane called like and I didn't pick it up. I
Speaker 1: only read this in some notes, And there's actually like
Speaker 1: a real airplane that the number the flight number and
Speaker 1: time of a real life airplane that crashed into a
Speaker 1: mountain and nobody knew knew what happened. And that's kind
Speaker 1: of putting his little leaster egg in the background, hilarious.
Speaker 3: It just gets funnier and funnier.
Speaker 2: But I did.
Speaker 3: There was that moment where they were walking through when
Speaker 3: they first go to those headquarters whatever you call that,
Speaker 3: where there was the waiting room, Yeah, and that the
Speaker 3: cleaner opens the curtain and then there's there all these
Speaker 3: ghosts and dead people in a hole and he basically
Speaker 3: says to them, all that's like purgatory or how and
Speaker 3: it's like death for dead people. And that was like, what,
Speaker 3: that's getting too deep there. I was like, if you
Speaker 3: had done weed or acid, I think that particular little
Speaker 3: sequence would just really throw you off a little bit,
Speaker 3: do you know what but I'm.
Speaker 1: Talking about Yeah, absolutely, Yeah, Yeah, Well there are all
Speaker 1: these kind.
Speaker 3: Of like there's all these weird layers to it, yes, because.
Speaker 1: Even when they're in that Yeah, they're in that waiting
Speaker 1: room and they're talking to the woman with the throat
Speaker 1: slip just st smoke and the smoke's coming out of
Speaker 1: their throat and you have through the window. You have
Speaker 1: almost like a cinema of these ghouls and and and
Speaker 1: and watching it. It's all these little touches, both kind
Speaker 1: of grim kind of touches, surreal touches, like comedic touches.
Speaker 2: It's jokes kind of all the way through it, which
Speaker 2: I like.
Speaker 4: When you guys shut up and leave me alone. I've
Speaker 4: got all this paperwork to do. YouTube, come in here,
Speaker 4: sit down, get in here, both of it. The whole
Speaker 4: house was my eye. I want Beetlejuice out of the
Speaker 4: big ure. You two have really screwed up. I received
Speaker 4: word that you allowed yourself to be photographed and you
Speaker 4: let Beetlejuice out and didn't put him back. And you
Speaker 4: let also get hold of the handbook.
Speaker 3: Handbook when never us the living, we cannot have.
Speaker 4: A routine haunting like yours, providing that there is existence
Speaker 4: beyond dead.
Speaker 3: Coach coach, Yeah, I'm not your coach.
Speaker 4: He survived.
Speaker 2: I like that.
Speaker 1: The Jeffrey Jones character Catherine o Haara's husband is reading
Speaker 1: a magazine called Practical Homeowners bought this.
Speaker 3: Or when they when Katherine O'Hara and that very camp
Speaker 3: whoever that guy is the assistant of her who's he again?
Speaker 1: He is, his name is and he's played by Glenn Shaddocks.
Speaker 3: Oh that's he's awesome.
Speaker 1: He's great, and I look at surprised he didn't. We
Speaker 1: thought we should know who this guy is. What a
Speaker 1: great performance. And he made some other basically Chris tim
Speaker 1: Burton films he made. It was in Heather's Nightmare Before Christmas,
Speaker 1: he voiced some stuff and.
Speaker 2: Planet of the Apes. But and he died in twenty
Speaker 2: ten and fifty eight.
Speaker 1: But yeah, he's one of those guys you think this
Speaker 1: is if you're watching that now, you can't think, Okay,
Speaker 1: we're going to see more of this guy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's a superstar. So funny. But I love that
Speaker 3: bit where him and Catherine O'Hara opened the when they
Speaker 3: first walk into the house and they open the closet
Speaker 3: and Gina Davis is trying to scare them, so she's
Speaker 3: hung herself off and they scream in fear and you think, oh,
Speaker 3: Geena Davis has finally figured it out, but they can't
Speaker 3: see her. He's screaming at the size of the closet.
Speaker 3: That's a great joke.
Speaker 2: It's great.
Speaker 3: It's a really good bit.
Speaker 2: There's so many great bits threat, what did you think
Speaker 2: of them?
Speaker 1: So getting back to the waiting room, so everyone, the
Speaker 1: way they appear is basically the way they died. And
Speaker 1: there's the guy, the tiny head, who I was a
Speaker 1: bit confused about. I was trying to forgure how he died.
Speaker 1: But then it's kind of explained at the end because
Speaker 1: I imagine the the.
Speaker 2: The warrior dude next door.
Speaker 1: It sprinkled some dust on him and made his heads
Speaker 1: shrink the way he did with beetlejuice. But but of
Speaker 1: course if you go by that, then then Alec Bordwin
Speaker 1: and Jean Davis.
Speaker 2: Should be wet the whole time. They should be, they
Speaker 2: should be drenched.
Speaker 3: You go post this on a forum, mate, if that's
Speaker 3: going to.
Speaker 2: Make your day's mate, if you've.
Speaker 3: Put a plug in this nineteen eighty eight one million
Speaker 3: dollar budget film, I'm.
Speaker 1: Not even sure if I'm going to release this podcast
Speaker 1: based on this point.
Speaker 2: Why aren't they wet?
Speaker 3: Anither look fair enough? I am. I'll admit I am
Speaker 3: a very annoying person. Sometimes in a movie at continuity,
Speaker 3: it really annoys me when their meal changes mid chat,
Speaker 3: or the glass of waters changed, or the cigarette is
Speaker 3: way further down than it was. I'm one of those people.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, but this never caught your attention.
Speaker 3: That's that one slid.
Speaker 1: You're watching cigarette butts, but you cannot see that they
Speaker 1: should be wet.
Speaker 3: The entire What a nightmare for filming.
Speaker 1: They did consider, well, that's exactly what happened. They consider that,
Speaker 1: and they just said, this is going to be really
Speaker 1: uncomfortable for the actors. Yeah, and problematic. You could make
Speaker 1: the point that they died at at the hospital. Sure
Speaker 1: they dried them. They let the windows down in the ambulance.
Speaker 3: I wasn't this in the script, but yeah, the old
Speaker 3: lady that plays the when they do that great scene
Speaker 3: with her in the office, I was trying to figure
Speaker 3: out who she technically supposed to be, the one where
Speaker 3: they are practicing, she gives them the report about what
Speaker 3: they're doing right, what they're doing wrong.
Speaker 2: Yes, and that's.
Speaker 3: Why who's she supposed to be?
Speaker 2: Like, God, no, I didn't.
Speaker 1: I didn't come to that conclusion. But she's I mean,
Speaker 1: that's why I think it was. It spoke as a
Speaker 1: musical because you had like a lot of exposition and characters.
Speaker 1: You're just coming in freely giving information.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and she was one of them.
Speaker 3: She was awesome. Yeah, I really liked her, But that
Speaker 3: seems that's my favorite bit of makeup and visual in
Speaker 3: the whole movie, where they're in the office and she's like,
Speaker 3: what do you got? What are you planning to do
Speaker 3: to scare them? And then Alec Baldwin stretches his face
Speaker 3: and becomes that very iconic. Now years later, it's become
Speaker 3: a very iconic Tim Burton image of that long face
Speaker 3: with the long eyes that's become one of his signature looks.
Speaker 3: I also love Nightmare Before Christmas, which he made in
Speaker 3: ninety two ninety three, Tim Burton's stop animation movie that
Speaker 3: has so many of the same characters in shapes as
Speaker 3: this movie. I think you just rehashed them all.
Speaker 2: See disappointing, isn't it, sent.
Speaker 3: Him an email, I've seen that shape before. And then yeah,
Speaker 3: Jenny Davis turns her face into that big, long one
Speaker 3: with the big teeth in the big tongue. That's sick.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's really I really loved it.
Speaker 1: And again, like you know, it's if you did it now,
Speaker 1: you'd probably do it differently. But I really loved you know,
Speaker 1: twenty or how long thirty two years later, it's a
Speaker 1: really long time.
Speaker 2: I really enjoyed it. This is fun. I know what
Speaker 2: I'm watching, I know what they're probably dealing with. Yep,
Speaker 2: it was great.
Speaker 1: There was a sequel planned, and there's still talk there
Speaker 1: will be a sequel. There was a sequel that was
Speaker 1: going to happen reasonably quickly afterwards, called wait for it,
Speaker 1: Beetlejuice Goes Hawaiian, and it was going to be that
Speaker 1: Katherine O'Hara and Jeffrey Jones, We're going to build a
Speaker 1: large development on some prime Hawaiian real estate. Great, and
Speaker 1: they the locals, get Beetle Juice involved to help scare
Speaker 1: them away.
Speaker 2: Bad idea.
Speaker 1: And the any reason didn't happen is because you'd be
Speaker 1: happy to hear that. Tim Burton was committed to Batman returns.
Speaker 3: There we Go, which is also certain Hawaii, which.
Speaker 2: Is quite WHI everybody knows.
Speaker 3: It's like a real nineties thing, isn't it. Sitcoms used
Speaker 3: to go to Hawaii. Yeah, Like it was always like.
Speaker 1: You had you had you having happy days and Brady
Speaker 1: Bunch famously that's where Phonsie jumped the shark, which became
Speaker 1: a famous expression.
Speaker 2: And then that's.
Speaker 1: Where Peter Bray all the Bradies got cursed because they.
Speaker 3: Found like this is a crossover with Beetle Juice.
Speaker 2: Possibly.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, So I remember Full House went to Disneyland.
Speaker 1: No, okay, do you remember Family Tires going to England?
Speaker 1: And do you remember Facts of Life down Under?
Speaker 3: Do you remember when Hey Hay went where'd they go again?
Speaker 2: To the Los Angeles and Want of Brother Studios?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Out with mel Gibson making lethal weapon? Yes, I do, Well,
Speaker 2: there we go.
Speaker 3: That was in my notes.
Speaker 2: But when you could have some fun with mel Gibson
Speaker 2: those days.
Speaker 3: Get him on the podcast.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just I was just kind of thinking it's
Speaker 1: it's good. You know, people will listen to this podcast
Speaker 1: and they may want more of a deep dive. They
Speaker 1: just want they like the heroes having fun about it.
Speaker 1: But I like to kind of point out something that
Speaker 1: occurred to me about, you know, the way the films made,
Speaker 1: because some people might be trying to write films, and
Speaker 1: I think it's it's worth pointing out the Maitland's because
Speaker 1: I think it's a really nice part of the film,
Speaker 1: is what the Maitland's.
Speaker 2: You're writing anything.
Speaker 1: Films, you need to work out what you characters want
Speaker 1: and then what they need, and they should be two
Speaker 1: different things, right, So I was thinking about that and
Speaker 1: what the Maitlands want is they want to get rid
Speaker 1: of the family. Well, actually what they want originally is
Speaker 1: they want a family. They want a family, and then
Speaker 1: that changes when they die, circumstanced changes. They want to
Speaker 1: get rid of this family. But then what they need
Speaker 1: is actually for that family to stay. Really what at
Speaker 1: least lidly to stay. That's what they That's actually what
Speaker 1: they need. They need, they need a daughter. And it's
Speaker 1: I really like the ending. It's quite an upbeat ending.
Speaker 3: That's nice.
Speaker 1: It's like a happy family. It's happy family. They actually
Speaker 1: get what they need.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and mon ownA got to do a fantasy that
Speaker 3: were all hard women with her age is she swapped
Speaker 3: her parents. You know, looking back now, you wouldn't want
Speaker 3: to do that, but when you're her age, you like,
Speaker 3: you know, you do anything to swap your parents.
Speaker 2: Mister and missus avelvo. Glad you're along for the ride.
Speaker 3: I said back when I was a teenager.
Speaker 2: And then you got lidiar.
Speaker 1: And what she wants is death because she's an nemo,
Speaker 1: But what she actually needs is love. And she gets
Speaker 1: that from the Maitland's I think it's a nice it
Speaker 1: is nice, nice touch because you know, you can look
Speaker 1: at it as a silly movie, but they're you know,
Speaker 1: these silly movies often work because they are all these
Speaker 1: things underlining.
Speaker 3: It, of course, like you don't realize that when you
Speaker 3: watch it, like this is fun blah blah blah. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: he said something funny, but yeah, it's true. You're kind
Speaker 3: of like, oh, Jenna Davis. I wanted to get her kid.
Speaker 2: Jeanna Davis. It needs to be more stuff, doesn't she?
Speaker 3: You know, really is weird. Do you remember when she
Speaker 3: quit movies to become an Olympic archer? That's right, I
Speaker 3: think she won a medal. No, no, no, she was
Speaker 3: terrible without special effects afterwards, she didn't realize.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I yeah.
Speaker 1: I watched m on Luise for the first time for
Speaker 1: this podcast, and have you seen it?
Speaker 3: No, I've never seen that.
Speaker 2: Such a great film. Do you remember your first film
Speaker 2: you saw?
Speaker 3: No, I'm sorry, disappointing is at the end of that?
Speaker 3: How's that for?
Speaker 2: Remember the second film you saw?
Speaker 3: Fifth and six. We'll keep going until you mentioned the
Speaker 3: fifth and six?
Speaker 2: Okay, what was your fifth you.
Speaker 3: Know, yeah, I don't remember sitting down go who remembers that?
Speaker 3: Who were sitting going this is the first movie I'm
Speaker 3: going to watch? Do you have that memory?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Oh the Pirate movie.
Speaker 1: It's some people do bang no it Yeah, some people
Speaker 1: like I think it was, and some pople no idea, right,
Speaker 1: no movies has appeared one day.
Speaker 3: I remember, like so, I remember very I remember The Godfather. Yeah,
Speaker 3: watching that when it was like some Channel nine special
Speaker 3: TV event and it went from like seven thirty to
Speaker 3: eleven thirty because of ad breaks.
Speaker 2: Well, I would suggest it would have gone even longer
Speaker 2: with that, right.
Speaker 3: I remember it being this television event, and of course
Speaker 3: my dad is from Sicily, and my friends because of
Speaker 3: this broadcast started calling my dad the mafia.
Speaker 2: Don just you know, I'm in the mafia, don velvo.
Speaker 3: I wish would you give me a bit more clout
Speaker 3: Parade College down there with my drama club crew and
Speaker 3: my dad is in the mafia would have helped. But
Speaker 3: I remember, I remember that that was a very long
Speaker 3: time ago, and I do remember watching that. I remember
Speaker 3: watching Rocky Horror for the first time, and that was
Speaker 3: on it like eleven o'clock on a Saturday night on
Speaker 3: SBS or something, and I was like, holy, my mind exploded.
Speaker 3: It was like, you know, drag and gayness. So I
Speaker 3: remember obviously Wizard of Oz. That's probably the biggest memory
Speaker 3: is Wizard of Oz on VHS, smashing that every week.
Speaker 3: So I have huge memories of watching movies really young.
Speaker 3: I just don't remember my first.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, it's okay, it's okay.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry I've let you down. I feel like i've
Speaker 3: let you down. I've a podcast down.
Speaker 2: No listen, I mean, I will put some music or
Speaker 2: something else.
Speaker 3: I'm taking your advice. At what I needed what I
Speaker 3: want are two different things. You know, this podcast needs
Speaker 3: me to have things to say. I want to leave.
Speaker 3: It's just two different things.
Speaker 2: You We have kept you captive in our studios for
Speaker 2: long enough.
Speaker 3: How about we staying here for six weeks.
Speaker 1: Let's just have we have a TV screen and here
Speaker 1: we could actually put some movies.
Speaker 3: On phone in the project from your phone, we.
Speaker 1: Could record six podcasts a day and eventually you probably
Speaker 1: remember the first film you saw.
Speaker 3: That's a good point.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what were.
Speaker 3: You born eighty three?
Speaker 1: I'm going to predict the first film you saw was
Speaker 1: a Lamb Before Time.
Speaker 3: Oh what a movie again. Look at the length of
Speaker 3: that movie. Very short.
Speaker 2: Actually you remember it wrong. It was actually four and
Speaker 2: a half hours.
Speaker 1: Nate Valvo, you were an absolute joy to see on
Speaker 1: stage and also to hang out with. Thank you so
Speaker 1: much for watching Beetlejice.
Speaker 3: It was my pleasure.
Speaker 5: Chick Chick, Chick, Cinara, check your body, Lana check check
Speaker 5: check Cinara.
Speaker 2: Check Nate Valvo. And that was a whole lot of fun.
Speaker 2: One really enjoyed that.
Speaker 1: As I mentioned, I hadn't seen Beetlejuice before, so it
Speaker 1: was another one that was good for me to sit
Speaker 1: down and catch up on. I want to thank Derek
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Speaker 1: Derek has a whole range of packages he can help
Speaker 1: you out and he's certainly been a godsend for this
Speaker 1: very podcast. Next week on the show, I want to
Speaker 1: announce announce it seems more grand than I and I
Speaker 1: thought it was going to be. But next week's guest
Speaker 1: on the podcast is Sam Mack, the Gold LOGI nominee.
Speaker 1: He is the weatherman from Sunrise on Breakfast Television here
Speaker 1: in Australia and I say that, and I feel like
Speaker 1: that doesn't do him justice. He's more than the weather man.
Speaker 1: He completely owns that. And I'm gonna say it is
Speaker 1: the best thing on Sunrise. Sorry Koshi, but Sam Mac
Speaker 1: has it. His weather crosses are so entertaining. Is really
Speaker 1: He's made it his own thing.
Speaker 2: He will be.
Speaker 1: Watching next week a classic. I love this film. I'd
Speaker 1: seen it when it came out. In fact, I interviewed
Speaker 1: the writer and star of at Tina fey mein Girls.
Speaker 2: That's right.
Speaker 1: Next week Sam Mac from Sunrise goes head to head
Speaker 1: with the Regina George until then bye.
Speaker 2: And so we leave old Pete save Fan Soult and
Speaker 2: to our friends of the radio audience, we've been a
Speaker 2: pleasant good night.