1 00:00:01,800 --> 00:00:05,240 Speaker 1: On today's show, the silent partner in Anna Paul's skincare 2 00:00:05,280 --> 00:00:08,960 Speaker 1: brand is revealed. M Davies takes aim at Australia's most 3 00:00:09,000 --> 00:00:13,560 Speaker 1: prominent bridal designers and the secretly filmed Tammy Hembro footage 4 00:00:13,600 --> 00:00:18,759 Speaker 1: that is sparking debate. Hello, I'm welcome to Outspoken. It's 5 00:00:18,800 --> 00:00:21,759 Speaker 1: your dose of the hottest influencer and pop culture news 6 00:00:21,800 --> 00:00:25,239 Speaker 1: twice a week. I'm Sophie Torper. And over the weekend 7 00:00:25,239 --> 00:00:28,960 Speaker 1: it was Father's Day and with that came some orchestrated 8 00:00:29,000 --> 00:00:31,600 Speaker 1: Father's Day ad campaigns, which I did have a bit 9 00:00:31,640 --> 00:00:33,960 Speaker 1: of a laugh at some of them because I feel 10 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:36,920 Speaker 1: like some of the guys haven't got the memo about 11 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:39,720 Speaker 1: Instagram and TikTok now, because we saw a lot of 12 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:43,760 Speaker 1: very staged adverts for a lot of male brands, and 13 00:00:43,840 --> 00:00:47,960 Speaker 1: the first was Morgan Waterhouse. Now he is the boyfriend 14 00:00:48,120 --> 00:00:50,720 Speaker 1: of Olivia Rodgers. We're not quite sure what's going on there. Yeah, 15 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:53,040 Speaker 1: So there are a lot of question marks about their 16 00:00:53,080 --> 00:00:56,200 Speaker 1: relationships since they got back from that epic trip to Balley. 17 00:00:56,360 --> 00:00:58,720 Speaker 1: So since they've been back, we haven't seen a photo 18 00:00:58,840 --> 00:01:01,760 Speaker 1: and Instagram story nothing of them together, which is very 19 00:01:01,760 --> 00:01:05,040 Speaker 1: strange because Olivia has been going through an egg retrieval, 20 00:01:05,160 --> 00:01:07,600 Speaker 1: he wasn't there. She also stepped out to an event 21 00:01:07,640 --> 00:01:09,800 Speaker 1: on the weekend and instead of going with Morgan, she 22 00:01:09,840 --> 00:01:11,640 Speaker 1: went with her best friend Paul for sacch. So I 23 00:01:11,680 --> 00:01:13,720 Speaker 1: think there's a big question mark there. There's been a 24 00:01:13,720 --> 00:01:15,840 Speaker 1: few comments back and forth, there were in some lives, 25 00:01:15,880 --> 00:01:18,640 Speaker 1: which has made it all completely confused. It's I mean, 26 00:01:18,640 --> 00:01:21,080 Speaker 1: we'll keep you posted if we hear anything else on 27 00:01:21,160 --> 00:01:24,480 Speaker 1: this matter. Now. In terms of Morgan's photo, it was 28 00:01:24,760 --> 00:01:27,120 Speaker 1: very professional. It was a photo of him and his 29 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:30,319 Speaker 1: dad cheersing with a whiskey and then some very close 30 00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:33,560 Speaker 1: up branded shots. They were very beautiful photos, but to me, 31 00:01:34,400 --> 00:01:36,679 Speaker 1: I just it looked like a complete ad. He does 32 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:40,120 Speaker 1: tell himself as a professional videographer and photographer, so I 33 00:01:40,200 --> 00:01:42,680 Speaker 1: wonder if he just got too involved in the campaign 34 00:01:42,720 --> 00:01:44,679 Speaker 1: and wanted the photos to look perfect and be a 35 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:48,400 Speaker 1: reflection of what his feed usually looks like. Overlooking the 36 00:01:48,440 --> 00:01:50,960 Speaker 1: fact that most people get influenced by an ad if 37 00:01:50,960 --> 00:01:53,200 Speaker 1: it's a little bit more relatable if it's not an 38 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:56,320 Speaker 1: obvious ad, I think the beauty of a sponsored post 39 00:01:56,520 --> 00:01:58,520 Speaker 1: is when it's not kind of obvious that it's a 40 00:01:58,520 --> 00:02:00,720 Speaker 1: sponsor post. Obviously you've done all the things like putting 41 00:02:00,720 --> 00:02:03,160 Speaker 1: paid partnership and you've disclosed it. But I think when 42 00:02:03,160 --> 00:02:05,360 Speaker 1: you're like, oh, what is this? Yeah, well there was 43 00:02:05,440 --> 00:02:08,560 Speaker 1: zero comments under it, or maybe he's hit in the comments. 44 00:02:08,560 --> 00:02:10,600 Speaker 1: I'm not sure, but it comes off the back of 45 00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:14,079 Speaker 1: Kurt Till's sharing a post about Bulgari's new cologne for 46 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:17,600 Speaker 1: Father's Day, and his photos were all very posed. He 47 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:20,440 Speaker 1: was in the water arching his back. You could tell 48 00:02:20,480 --> 00:02:22,760 Speaker 1: they'd gone to a lot of effort to take these photos. 49 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:25,919 Speaker 1: But it was very sort of early days Instagram of 50 00:02:26,120 --> 00:02:28,200 Speaker 1: thinking you can put a really posy photo out there 51 00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:30,280 Speaker 1: and people are just going to buy this product. To me, 52 00:02:30,440 --> 00:02:32,600 Speaker 1: both of those images look more like they'd be in 53 00:02:32,639 --> 00:02:36,120 Speaker 1: a magazine rather than in a social media campaign. They 54 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:39,320 Speaker 1: look very traditional and just stood out like a saucer. 55 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:44,240 Speaker 1: They were that very curated, esthetic aspirational vibe, which I 56 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:46,480 Speaker 1: think does have its place from time to time. But 57 00:02:46,880 --> 00:02:49,000 Speaker 1: it just looked like an ad. It did and all 58 00:02:49,040 --> 00:02:51,200 Speaker 1: of the comments in Kurt's post were saying, oh, look 59 00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:53,200 Speaker 1: at you, model, k model Kurt. No one was like, 60 00:02:53,440 --> 00:02:55,639 Speaker 1: where can I get this? This looks like a great idea. 61 00:02:55,720 --> 00:02:58,200 Speaker 1: And if you compare those posts to say, Maddie Jay, 62 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:00,800 Speaker 1: who he did these really fun reals with his daughters, 63 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:03,160 Speaker 1: I think it was for Tommy Hill figure. His was 64 00:03:03,240 --> 00:03:05,160 Speaker 1: just so much better people actually going I want that 65 00:03:05,160 --> 00:03:07,560 Speaker 1: for my husband. But even I saw Chantelle Stanton and 66 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:10,840 Speaker 1: Brooke Hogan, who I follow they were out shopping for 67 00:03:10,880 --> 00:03:12,679 Speaker 1: Father's Day gifts and they did the little tag and 68 00:03:12,720 --> 00:03:14,640 Speaker 1: oh this is the range at country Road or wherever 69 00:03:14,680 --> 00:03:16,760 Speaker 1: it was, And to me, that made a lot more 70 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:20,520 Speaker 1: sense than getting an actual man to promote Father's Day, 71 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:23,160 Speaker 1: because let's be honest, it's usually falls on the woman 72 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:25,960 Speaker 1: to go buy Father's Day. That's not buying his own prayer, 73 00:03:26,080 --> 00:03:28,160 Speaker 1: even like your partner, normally, I'll be in charge of 74 00:03:28,160 --> 00:03:29,960 Speaker 1: their presence. To be fair, Race did go buy his 75 00:03:30,080 --> 00:03:32,160 Speaker 1: dad a present for Father's Day, but it came back 76 00:03:32,320 --> 00:03:35,640 Speaker 1: unwrapped and card was apparently bought by Reese's brother five 77 00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:38,240 Speaker 1: minutes before. I actually disagree, okay, because if you think 78 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:41,040 Speaker 1: about it, the people who were following Morgan Waterhouse and 79 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:44,800 Speaker 1: also Kurt Tills are their partner's followers, so they do 80 00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:48,240 Speaker 1: actually have genuinely a female following. I just I think 81 00:03:48,280 --> 00:03:50,200 Speaker 1: at least they did go to some sort of effort, 82 00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:52,760 Speaker 1: because there's nothing worse than people don't actually But at 83 00:03:52,760 --> 00:03:54,160 Speaker 1: the end of the day, I think it was just 84 00:03:54,320 --> 00:03:56,400 Speaker 1: a little outdated and a little obvious. 85 00:03:57,240 --> 00:03:59,840 Speaker 2: I was so sick of trying every single skincare brand 86 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:03,000 Speaker 2: under the planet for real and nothing working, so I 87 00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:05,600 Speaker 2: came up with my own, fucking I came up with. 88 00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:09,520 Speaker 1: The intrigue around Anna. Paul's skincare brand is growing by 89 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:12,320 Speaker 1: the day. Last week, we discussed how a TikToker that 90 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:15,000 Speaker 1: goes by the handle Holly Days had linked the poorly 91 00:04:15,080 --> 00:04:18,839 Speaker 1: branding to Urban Jungle Beauty. This week, the same TikToker 92 00:04:18,920 --> 00:04:21,880 Speaker 1: has revealed the co owner of Anna's brand. Now, before 93 00:04:21,880 --> 00:04:25,000 Speaker 1: we get into those details, what is even more intriguing 94 00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:28,760 Speaker 1: than that development is the identity of the TikToker. So 95 00:04:28,920 --> 00:04:31,480 Speaker 1: while she goes by Holly Days, her real name is 96 00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:34,599 Speaker 1: Kayla Hulahan and she is the former owner of Tribe 97 00:04:34,640 --> 00:04:38,200 Speaker 1: Skincare and also the sister of Amber, who runs influencer 98 00:04:38,279 --> 00:04:42,000 Speaker 1: updates au. Now, Kayla recently sold Tribe Skincare and she 99 00:04:42,200 --> 00:04:44,640 Speaker 1: is set to launch a new brand called Holly Days, 100 00:04:44,839 --> 00:04:47,800 Speaker 1: which appears to be a tanning brand. Now, Kayla managed 101 00:04:47,839 --> 00:04:50,640 Speaker 1: to uncover the co owner of Anna Paul's new brand 102 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:54,680 Speaker 1: by purchasing the company's assic registration documents, which are on 103 00:04:54,720 --> 00:04:57,200 Speaker 1: the public record, So she has gone to quite a 104 00:04:57,320 --> 00:05:00,479 Speaker 1: length to get this information. Seems to be following in 105 00:05:00,520 --> 00:05:03,560 Speaker 1: her sister's footsteps. So finding out this influence the goss. 106 00:05:03,640 --> 00:05:03,880 Speaker 2: Yeah. 107 00:05:03,880 --> 00:05:06,120 Speaker 1: Well, as for the co owner, it is none other 108 00:05:06,279 --> 00:05:08,719 Speaker 1: than Sam Mangan. He is a friend of our podcast. 109 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:10,559 Speaker 1: He's been on our show a couple of times before. 110 00:05:10,640 --> 00:05:13,960 Speaker 1: We absolutely love Sam and it's such a smart move 111 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:16,960 Speaker 1: by him. So he is a very successful businessman already. 112 00:05:17,200 --> 00:05:19,640 Speaker 1: He owns his own PR agency called Spin and Co. 113 00:05:19,839 --> 00:05:22,480 Speaker 1: As well as being a co founder of James Cosmetics 114 00:05:22,520 --> 00:05:25,760 Speaker 1: as well as other businesses. Now with James Cosmetics, I'm 115 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:28,640 Speaker 1: assuming that's where he got the idea to partner with 116 00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:31,839 Speaker 1: Anna Paul because he co owns James Cosmetics with fitness 117 00:05:31,880 --> 00:05:36,279 Speaker 1: influencer Emily Sky Well. His PR company also manages James Charles, 118 00:05:36,279 --> 00:05:39,400 Speaker 1: who is a huge US influencer, especially in the beauty space. 119 00:05:39,440 --> 00:05:42,320 Speaker 1: He's rather controversial. But I wonder if this is what 120 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:44,760 Speaker 1: got Anna across the line as well, didn't She also 121 00:05:44,839 --> 00:05:47,119 Speaker 1: appear at a lot of the shopping centers that Sam 122 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:50,000 Speaker 1: Magnan also runs the pr for like Pacific fair Well. 123 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:52,440 Speaker 1: They're both located on the Gold Coast. It's quite clear 124 00:05:52,480 --> 00:05:55,440 Speaker 1: to me that Sam Mangan is the brains behind this operation. 125 00:05:55,680 --> 00:05:57,640 Speaker 1: I feel like he has come to Anna Paul and 126 00:05:57,760 --> 00:06:00,520 Speaker 1: pitched the idea. Well, she said that someone did approach 127 00:06:00,520 --> 00:06:02,480 Speaker 1: her about the idea and she was so excited when 128 00:06:02,520 --> 00:06:04,240 Speaker 1: they did, so I think you could be onto something. 129 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:06,960 Speaker 1: Well think about it this way, because Sam runs James 130 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:10,000 Speaker 1: Cosmetics already, he would have all of the contacts who 131 00:06:10,120 --> 00:06:13,240 Speaker 1: can produce these products. He's got the marketing know how 132 00:06:13,279 --> 00:06:15,680 Speaker 1: to do it all. Oh yeah, Well, Anna's already spoaking 133 00:06:15,839 --> 00:06:19,479 Speaker 1: online to all her TikTok followers. She shared her skincare routine, 134 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:22,599 Speaker 1: of course, using the poly products, and she did mention 135 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:25,440 Speaker 1: that the skincare is made by Australia's top chemist. So 136 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:27,680 Speaker 1: I'm assuming that Sam Mangan has put her in touch 137 00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:30,360 Speaker 1: with them. And can you believe that video has already 138 00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:33,440 Speaker 1: got six million views in the last twenty four hours. 139 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:35,320 Speaker 1: We also know what the products are going to be 140 00:06:35,320 --> 00:06:38,360 Speaker 1: because originally they did share that censored photo, so there 141 00:06:38,400 --> 00:06:40,440 Speaker 1: was a bit of guessing and the products are going 142 00:06:40,520 --> 00:06:43,479 Speaker 1: to be a cleanser, a hydrating serum, moisturizer, and a 143 00:06:43,520 --> 00:06:45,320 Speaker 1: clay mask. And I feel like those are all the 144 00:06:45,440 --> 00:06:48,520 Speaker 1: essentials that young girls need if they're starting to get 145 00:06:48,520 --> 00:06:51,800 Speaker 1: into skincare. Yeah. Anna actually shared a photo of herself 146 00:06:51,839 --> 00:06:54,280 Speaker 1: with acne and said, this was my skin a year ago, 147 00:06:54,360 --> 00:06:57,600 Speaker 1: and now that I've been using Pouly, it has greatly improved. Now. 148 00:06:57,640 --> 00:07:00,640 Speaker 1: The biggest question coming from Anna's fans own on TikTok 149 00:07:00,920 --> 00:07:03,200 Speaker 1: was about the price. So Anna was very quick to 150 00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:06,440 Speaker 1: assure fans that everything will be under thirty dollars and 151 00:07:06,520 --> 00:07:08,400 Speaker 1: she said it was really important for her to keep 152 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:11,440 Speaker 1: her products affordable. And I do think that this is 153 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:15,120 Speaker 1: a very clever marketing strategy. We've seen skincare company the 154 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:18,400 Speaker 1: Ordinary do very well by selling cheap skin care products 155 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:21,400 Speaker 1: that really work. I think it's so refreshing to see 156 00:07:21,440 --> 00:07:25,040 Speaker 1: an influencer actually working with a large marketing company and 157 00:07:25,080 --> 00:07:27,960 Speaker 1: a PR agency and actually have a clear strategic way 158 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:30,440 Speaker 1: to put out this product, because we've seen influencers doing 159 00:07:30,480 --> 00:07:33,560 Speaker 1: it really wrong, where they invest all the money themselves 160 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:35,200 Speaker 1: in the product and they don't have the know how 161 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:37,520 Speaker 1: to do it. Yeah, but she's obviously got the money 162 00:07:37,560 --> 00:07:40,240 Speaker 1: to be able to invest in this as well, and 163 00:07:40,240 --> 00:07:43,040 Speaker 1: that's probably why she has contact. Some get arrogant and 164 00:07:43,080 --> 00:07:45,240 Speaker 1: they just think, okay, but I'll have all the money myself. 165 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:47,680 Speaker 1: They don't actually have the logistics or the know how 166 00:07:47,720 --> 00:07:49,400 Speaker 1: to get something off the ground like It makes a 167 00:07:49,440 --> 00:07:52,000 Speaker 1: lot of sense when you consider she has millions of 168 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:54,360 Speaker 1: people following her that are likely to buy the product. 169 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:57,560 Speaker 1: So there's no point of selling a high end moisturizer 170 00:07:57,600 --> 00:07:59,880 Speaker 1: for two hundred dollars and only having a small portion 171 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:02,760 Speaker 1: of her audience by it when she can literally convert 172 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:06,360 Speaker 1: millions of people to buy an affordable product regularly. Also, 173 00:08:06,480 --> 00:08:08,560 Speaker 1: I think Anna wants to be seen as being one 174 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:12,680 Speaker 1: of the people. She's always mindful of her audience being relatable. Yeah, 175 00:08:12,680 --> 00:08:14,480 Speaker 1: so she was never going to bring out this high 176 00:08:14,560 --> 00:08:17,360 Speaker 1: end product that alienated her from her audience and that 177 00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:18,200 Speaker 1: they couldn't afford. 178 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:22,000 Speaker 2: I think my expectations were maybe a little high. But 179 00:08:22,120 --> 00:08:24,800 Speaker 2: also then I don't think that because I have spoken 180 00:08:24,840 --> 00:08:27,560 Speaker 2: to a lot of friends that have gone wedding dress 181 00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:31,440 Speaker 2: shopping for the first time and their experience was nothing 182 00:08:31,480 --> 00:08:32,319 Speaker 2: like mine. 183 00:08:32,920 --> 00:08:35,640 Speaker 1: M Davies jetted into Sydney last week with her best 184 00:08:35,640 --> 00:08:38,120 Speaker 1: friend Lily Brown to try on wedding dresses for the 185 00:08:38,200 --> 00:08:41,800 Speaker 1: first time, but the experience didn't go quite as she expected. 186 00:08:42,080 --> 00:08:45,200 Speaker 1: The Perth based influencer took aim at two of Australia's 187 00:08:45,280 --> 00:08:49,319 Speaker 1: most prominent bridal boutiques, slamming the customer service and describing 188 00:08:49,320 --> 00:08:52,800 Speaker 1: the environment in both stores as hostile. So how did 189 00:08:52,840 --> 00:08:56,000 Speaker 1: this all start? Ever since Em got engaged, she has 190 00:08:56,040 --> 00:08:58,800 Speaker 1: been taking her followers along for this wedding journey, which 191 00:08:58,840 --> 00:09:01,160 Speaker 1: I've really been loving. And it was nice to see 192 00:09:01,160 --> 00:09:03,120 Speaker 1: that Lily could be there when she tried on wedding 193 00:09:03,200 --> 00:09:05,920 Speaker 1: dresses for the first time, because Em sadly lost her 194 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:08,160 Speaker 1: mum to cancer a number of years ago, and she 195 00:09:08,200 --> 00:09:10,120 Speaker 1: explained that it was going to be really tough going 196 00:09:10,160 --> 00:09:13,440 Speaker 1: through that process without her. Now it was quite clear 197 00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:16,280 Speaker 1: that Em had been looking forward to this day for months. 198 00:09:16,320 --> 00:09:18,440 Speaker 1: She said that she was so excited. It was quite 199 00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:20,280 Speaker 1: cute because the two of them actually went and got 200 00:09:20,280 --> 00:09:22,800 Speaker 1: blow drives done before they went to the dress stores. 201 00:09:23,080 --> 00:09:25,600 Speaker 1: So they headed to Paddington to try on dresses at 202 00:09:25,640 --> 00:09:28,720 Speaker 1: Palas Couteur and also Stephen Khalil. Now, for those who 203 00:09:28,760 --> 00:09:31,640 Speaker 1: aren't currently looking for a wedding dress, those are two 204 00:09:31,640 --> 00:09:35,720 Speaker 1: of Australia's top bridal designers. So as Stephen Khalil dresses 205 00:09:35,760 --> 00:09:39,240 Speaker 1: start from twenty thousand dollars and at Palascatur they're around 206 00:09:39,280 --> 00:09:41,600 Speaker 1: the ten thousand mark to begin with. Yeah, and both 207 00:09:41,640 --> 00:09:43,880 Speaker 1: of those designers have been known to dress a lot 208 00:09:43,880 --> 00:09:47,480 Speaker 1: of celebrities and also influences for their weddings. And in 209 00:09:47,520 --> 00:09:50,640 Speaker 1: this video, EM shows the Palascuteur sign and we also 210 00:09:50,679 --> 00:09:53,920 Speaker 1: see her walking down the steps of Stephen Khalil's boutique. 211 00:09:54,120 --> 00:09:57,760 Speaker 1: EM also shared a video shot inside Paliscatur of Lily's 212 00:09:57,760 --> 00:10:00,320 Speaker 1: reaction to some of the dresses she tried on. So 213 00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:02,880 Speaker 1: just to be clear, M hasn't been hiding any of 214 00:10:02,920 --> 00:10:05,240 Speaker 1: these brands at all. I was really surprised to see 215 00:10:05,240 --> 00:10:08,000 Speaker 1: the M manage to film any footage inside these bridal 216 00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:11,840 Speaker 1: boutiques because particularly the higher end boutiques don't allow any 217 00:10:11,880 --> 00:10:14,160 Speaker 1: filming or photos to take place. And I remember when 218 00:10:14,200 --> 00:10:16,440 Speaker 1: I was trying our wedding dresses, I found it really 219 00:10:16,760 --> 00:10:19,320 Speaker 1: annoying because you just wanted a photo of you in 220 00:10:19,360 --> 00:10:21,560 Speaker 1: a dress to then decide if you wanted it or not. 221 00:10:21,640 --> 00:10:23,599 Speaker 1: And the places that didn't let you take photos, You're like, 222 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:25,680 Speaker 1: why can't even remember what I tried. Well, I was 223 00:10:25,720 --> 00:10:28,199 Speaker 1: secretly filming all of it. You were, but then you 224 00:10:28,280 --> 00:10:30,640 Speaker 1: don't really get the nice photos. You don't really look 225 00:10:30,679 --> 00:10:33,040 Speaker 1: that great when someone's trying to secretly film. When I 226 00:10:33,040 --> 00:10:35,440 Speaker 1: saw the original video, I sent it to Ukke and 227 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:37,559 Speaker 1: I said, oh my god, how incredible does their day look? 228 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:40,000 Speaker 1: Because I was sort of reflecting on our experience because 229 00:10:40,040 --> 00:10:42,920 Speaker 1: we found it a little disappointing and a bit down. 230 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:46,120 Speaker 1: It's more just underwhelming. I think when you before you 231 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:48,600 Speaker 1: get engaged, you've got all these visions of how lovely 232 00:10:48,640 --> 00:10:50,679 Speaker 1: it's going to be shopping with your bridesmaids and your 233 00:10:50,720 --> 00:10:53,920 Speaker 1: mum for your wedding dress, and it ends up really 234 00:10:53,960 --> 00:10:56,760 Speaker 1: not being what you expected sown. So Mollie Made's sister 235 00:10:56,960 --> 00:10:59,520 Speaker 1: Zoe recently did a YouTube video where she was going 236 00:10:59,559 --> 00:11:01,920 Speaker 1: into store and trying in all these dresses and she 237 00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:05,000 Speaker 1: was saying what an unpleasant experience it was because she 238 00:11:05,080 --> 00:11:07,360 Speaker 1: was kind of embarrassed coming out and she thought it 239 00:11:07,400 --> 00:11:11,160 Speaker 1: was going to be this amazing day, but she realized that, like, no, 240 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:13,480 Speaker 1: it was actually kind of embarrassing. And I felt the same. 241 00:11:13,559 --> 00:11:15,360 Speaker 1: I was embarrassed to come out in the dress I 242 00:11:15,400 --> 00:11:18,160 Speaker 1: wouldn't think influencers would feel like that because they're used 243 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:20,720 Speaker 1: to posing in photos and all being about them, But 244 00:11:20,800 --> 00:11:23,720 Speaker 1: it seems like m Davies had a very similar experience 245 00:11:23,760 --> 00:11:26,360 Speaker 1: as well. Yeah. On Friday, in a TikTok, she detailed 246 00:11:26,360 --> 00:11:30,160 Speaker 1: the disappointing experience, calling it the biggest letdown. Let's throw 247 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:32,280 Speaker 1: to what she said, I'm. 248 00:11:32,120 --> 00:11:34,720 Speaker 2: Like, not even being dramatic, guys, like, it just felt 249 00:11:34,760 --> 00:11:37,600 Speaker 2: really hostile in both places that we went to, And 250 00:11:38,200 --> 00:11:41,320 Speaker 2: I just think, if you're spending that much money on 251 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:46,120 Speaker 2: a dress, like some decent customer service would. Oh, the 252 00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:48,120 Speaker 2: first place we went to, we did have a better 253 00:11:48,160 --> 00:11:50,520 Speaker 2: experience out than the second one, which really stucks because 254 00:11:50,559 --> 00:11:52,960 Speaker 2: I was super excited about the second one, and maybe 255 00:11:52,960 --> 00:11:55,880 Speaker 2: I went to the wrong places I think, just based 256 00:11:55,920 --> 00:11:59,920 Speaker 2: off what I hear from my friends, But it was 257 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:04,120 Speaker 2: it's like really like underwhelming guys and quite sad. Like 258 00:12:04,160 --> 00:12:07,400 Speaker 2: I was pretty sad afterwards because obviously, like it's such 259 00:12:07,400 --> 00:12:11,280 Speaker 2: a big and exciting thing and it just wasn't what 260 00:12:11,320 --> 00:12:12,079 Speaker 2: I thought it would be. 261 00:12:12,840 --> 00:12:14,679 Speaker 1: Em then went on to say that she only got 262 00:12:14,720 --> 00:12:17,480 Speaker 1: to try on twenty dresses in thirty minutes in one 263 00:12:17,559 --> 00:12:20,160 Speaker 1: store and it wasn't enjoyable, and she claims that she 264 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:22,080 Speaker 1: didn't get much of a say in what she could 265 00:12:22,120 --> 00:12:24,200 Speaker 1: try on, and she thought that she could try on 266 00:12:24,280 --> 00:12:26,760 Speaker 1: a lot more dress. Yeah, I think twenty years a lot, 267 00:12:26,800 --> 00:12:28,720 Speaker 1: because when I was trying on wedding dresses, I think 268 00:12:28,720 --> 00:12:31,040 Speaker 1: it was like five the UK. I was gonna say 269 00:12:31,080 --> 00:12:34,040 Speaker 1: twenty and thirty minutes. That actually sounds so unpleasant. How 270 00:12:34,040 --> 00:12:36,319 Speaker 1: did she try on that many in that short amount 271 00:12:36,360 --> 00:12:37,640 Speaker 1: of time. I feel like you would just be like 272 00:12:37,760 --> 00:12:40,480 Speaker 1: ripping them off. There was an interesting element as this 273 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:43,679 Speaker 1: video went on further because Em went on to explain 274 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:46,880 Speaker 1: that before visiting these boutiques, she had actually already found 275 00:12:46,880 --> 00:12:50,520 Speaker 1: a different designer to make a custom dress for her ceremony, 276 00:12:50,559 --> 00:12:53,120 Speaker 1: but she was still looking for a reception gown. And 277 00:12:53,160 --> 00:12:55,400 Speaker 1: she said she's always wanted to create something of her 278 00:12:55,440 --> 00:12:57,480 Speaker 1: own that no one else has worn and put her 279 00:12:57,480 --> 00:12:59,600 Speaker 1: own spin on it. I mean that makes sense because 280 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:02,080 Speaker 1: she is fashion designer, she had her own brand. So 281 00:13:02,559 --> 00:13:05,520 Speaker 1: I wonder if these two bridal boutiques knew who she 282 00:13:05,679 --> 00:13:07,200 Speaker 1: was and thought, well, she's just coming in here to 283 00:13:07,240 --> 00:13:09,800 Speaker 1: take photos and copy some of the elements of our dress. Well, 284 00:13:09,800 --> 00:13:11,640 Speaker 1: that's the thing. She said that she still wanted the 285 00:13:11,679 --> 00:13:14,400 Speaker 1: experience of trying on dresses and seeing herself an address, 286 00:13:14,440 --> 00:13:16,480 Speaker 1: But I actually think that she probably wanted to take 287 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:19,720 Speaker 1: elements of these really expensive dresses and take them to 288 00:13:19,800 --> 00:13:23,360 Speaker 1: her designer was research. Really maybe she thought her experience 289 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:25,640 Speaker 1: was going to be completely different and that the staff 290 00:13:25,679 --> 00:13:27,920 Speaker 1: would know who she was and then maybe offer her 291 00:13:27,960 --> 00:13:30,600 Speaker 1: a deal with Pallace or with Stephen Calais. 292 00:13:30,760 --> 00:13:30,920 Speaker 2: Yeah. 293 00:13:30,920 --> 00:13:32,680 Speaker 1: Well, I just think that this is potentially where the 294 00:13:32,679 --> 00:13:34,960 Speaker 1: designers got their noses out of joint because in the 295 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:38,120 Speaker 1: wedding industry it's very connected and everyone knows each other 296 00:13:38,160 --> 00:13:40,720 Speaker 1: and people talk, particularly when it comes to deals that 297 00:13:40,800 --> 00:13:44,120 Speaker 1: influencers and celebrities are doing, and these designers may have 298 00:13:44,320 --> 00:13:46,920 Speaker 1: assumed that em was going to go in there, take 299 00:13:46,960 --> 00:13:50,120 Speaker 1: elements of theirs and then bring them back to something. Yes, 300 00:13:50,600 --> 00:13:53,480 Speaker 1: maybe on the other spectrum, the staff had no idea 301 00:13:53,559 --> 00:13:56,120 Speaker 1: who Lily and her were, and maybe their egos were 302 00:13:56,120 --> 00:13:58,679 Speaker 1: a little bit bruised, because I can imagine when they 303 00:13:58,720 --> 00:14:01,320 Speaker 1: normally deal with brands who know who they are, they're 304 00:14:01,320 --> 00:14:03,320 Speaker 1: probably right up their asses. And I would hate to 305 00:14:03,320 --> 00:14:05,560 Speaker 1: think that the store didn't give em the level of 306 00:14:05,640 --> 00:14:08,520 Speaker 1: respect that she deserved, because maybe this person assumed that 307 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:10,719 Speaker 1: she's young and she didn't have a parent there, so 308 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:13,160 Speaker 1: maybe they were just going in there for fun, and 309 00:14:13,160 --> 00:14:16,480 Speaker 1: the people didn't actually afford it. With those stores, you 310 00:14:16,520 --> 00:14:19,560 Speaker 1: actually have to pay for an appointment, so I don't 311 00:14:19,560 --> 00:14:21,600 Speaker 1: think that anyone would go in there just to take 312 00:14:21,640 --> 00:14:25,240 Speaker 1: the piss. Yeah, but there's a difference between dropping fifty 313 00:14:25,280 --> 00:14:27,280 Speaker 1: dollars to go into the store and have some fun 314 00:14:27,320 --> 00:14:29,840 Speaker 1: and have an experience and try on dresses, to then 315 00:14:29,920 --> 00:14:33,480 Speaker 1: spending twenty thousand dollars on a designers staff members make 316 00:14:33,520 --> 00:14:36,000 Speaker 1: such a big difference, though, because I remember going to 317 00:14:36,320 --> 00:14:39,200 Speaker 1: a place in Adelaide and the staff was so lovely. 318 00:14:39,240 --> 00:14:41,400 Speaker 1: I didn't like any of their dresses, but I had 319 00:14:41,400 --> 00:14:43,920 Speaker 1: this desire to actually buy them because they were so 320 00:14:44,120 --> 00:14:46,200 Speaker 1: nice and the experience was so good. And I feel 321 00:14:46,200 --> 00:14:49,440 Speaker 1: like at a lot of these really super expensive places, 322 00:14:49,640 --> 00:14:52,480 Speaker 1: not just wedding places, but designer places, sometimes you can 323 00:14:52,560 --> 00:14:56,120 Speaker 1: be really put off because there is this intenance that 324 00:14:56,240 --> 00:14:58,600 Speaker 1: you're not good enough to be there, and that's obviously 325 00:14:58,640 --> 00:15:01,160 Speaker 1: what happened. I think it's a terrible look for both 326 00:15:01,200 --> 00:15:05,240 Speaker 1: of these boutiques, particularly because EM's first experience is still 327 00:15:05,280 --> 00:15:07,800 Speaker 1: live on her Instagram account and TikTok, and you know 328 00:15:07,840 --> 00:15:11,440 Speaker 1: the stores names are everywhere over those clips. I just 329 00:15:11,480 --> 00:15:13,960 Speaker 1: think there was a missed opportunity for both of these stores. 330 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:16,840 Speaker 1: I mean, perhaps M's audience doesn't fit their key demographic 331 00:15:16,920 --> 00:15:19,520 Speaker 1: or her brand isn't what they're going for. But at 332 00:15:19,560 --> 00:15:21,480 Speaker 1: the same time, if you have someone with that many 333 00:15:21,480 --> 00:15:23,920 Speaker 1: followers coming into your store, I think that you roll 334 00:15:23,960 --> 00:15:26,680 Speaker 1: out the red carpet for them, particularly when they are 335 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:29,120 Speaker 1: being so vocal about their bridal journey. I mean, even 336 00:15:29,160 --> 00:15:31,240 Speaker 1: if she doesn't choose any of the dresses in the store, 337 00:15:31,280 --> 00:15:33,400 Speaker 1: at least she could say how wonderful the experience. The 338 00:15:33,520 --> 00:15:36,640 Speaker 1: reality is that regardless of how many followers you are 339 00:15:36,640 --> 00:15:39,240 Speaker 1: and what a great peer opportunity is, these stores should 340 00:15:39,280 --> 00:15:42,160 Speaker 1: be nice to everybody that comes in, because, yeah, it 341 00:15:42,160 --> 00:15:44,480 Speaker 1: can ruin the whole experience. And so if we've worked 342 00:15:44,520 --> 00:15:48,000 Speaker 1: with clients before in the bridal industry, and there have 343 00:15:48,120 --> 00:15:51,400 Speaker 1: been such horror stories about either how some of the 344 00:15:51,440 --> 00:15:54,200 Speaker 1: brides are treated or even how parents come in and 345 00:15:54,240 --> 00:15:56,800 Speaker 1: talk down to their daughters, and I think often it 346 00:15:56,920 --> 00:15:58,840 Speaker 1: is a bit of a people think it's going to 347 00:15:58,840 --> 00:16:00,480 Speaker 1: be a bit of a fairy tale. Trying on a 348 00:16:00,560 --> 00:16:04,560 Speaker 1: dress and it's just not. My name is Sammy Robinson. 349 00:16:04,760 --> 00:16:08,479 Speaker 1: I'm going to be taking you through myself turning routine. 350 00:16:09,200 --> 00:16:12,600 Speaker 1: Sammy Robinson has finally hard launched her new boyfriend Harrison 351 00:16:12,640 --> 00:16:16,200 Speaker 1: Mattel on Instagram over the weekend. The first photo was 352 00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:18,440 Speaker 1: of a key ring with a photo of Sammy and 353 00:16:18,520 --> 00:16:22,240 Speaker 1: Harrison kissing, and the second was a bathroom mirror selfie 354 00:16:22,440 --> 00:16:25,360 Speaker 1: with Harrison cuddling Sammy from behind. I want to know, 355 00:16:25,880 --> 00:16:28,400 Speaker 1: are key rings with your boyfriend's photo in it? Are 356 00:16:28,440 --> 00:16:30,960 Speaker 1: they now the new phone cases? You know everyone has 357 00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:33,080 Speaker 1: a polaroid in the back of it. Is Sammy bringing 358 00:16:33,120 --> 00:16:34,960 Speaker 1: back key rings? I feel like it's a way to 359 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:37,800 Speaker 1: show that this relationship is more serious because you've actually 360 00:16:37,840 --> 00:16:40,000 Speaker 1: taken the time to get a key being printed of 361 00:16:40,080 --> 00:16:43,120 Speaker 1: the guy. Yeah, it's clear than Sammy has a type 362 00:16:43,280 --> 00:16:47,520 Speaker 1: because Harrison is quite similar to Jordan Simmy. He's from 363 00:16:47,560 --> 00:16:50,880 Speaker 1: New Zealand, he's a rugby player, he's tall, he's got tats. 364 00:16:50,880 --> 00:16:53,040 Speaker 1: I feel like he's got that bad boy vibe that 365 00:16:53,120 --> 00:16:57,120 Speaker 1: Jordan Simmy had. Hopefully he doesn't have that similar personality 366 00:16:57,200 --> 00:16:59,560 Speaker 1: or track record. Yeah, I know it's funny because it's 367 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:02,440 Speaker 1: clear Sam's friends are pretty thrilled by this new relationship. 368 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:05,440 Speaker 1: Her best friend Holly wrote sexy Diary in reference to 369 00:17:05,480 --> 00:17:08,919 Speaker 1: the caption, while the marketing and PR manager for Sammy's business, 370 00:17:08,920 --> 00:17:12,640 Speaker 1: one Mile, wrote Yeah, love wins, to which Sammy responded, 371 00:17:12,680 --> 00:17:16,280 Speaker 1: ha ha ha. Well, not everyone's happy about this new relationship, 372 00:17:16,560 --> 00:17:19,600 Speaker 1: because it appears someone has enlisted the help of troll 373 00:17:19,640 --> 00:17:22,960 Speaker 1: accounts to spam Sammy's soft launch. But I wonder who 374 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:25,280 Speaker 1: that could be. So at the time of recording, there 375 00:17:25,280 --> 00:17:28,080 Speaker 1: are over two hundred comments from separate troll accounts saying 376 00:17:28,119 --> 00:17:31,119 Speaker 1: that Sammy should get back with Jordan Simmy. Oh I 377 00:17:31,280 --> 00:17:34,560 Speaker 1: laughed at these so most of them feature the clown emoji, 378 00:17:34,680 --> 00:17:37,760 Speaker 1: and they range from comments like you downgraded from Simmy 379 00:17:37,800 --> 00:17:40,800 Speaker 1: to Jordan Simmy will always be better to get back 380 00:17:40,840 --> 00:17:44,640 Speaker 1: with Jordan Simmy. That is so embarrassing. That's next level. Now. 381 00:17:44,680 --> 00:17:47,760 Speaker 1: One of Sammy's followers seem certain that this is Jordan 382 00:17:47,840 --> 00:17:51,399 Speaker 1: Simmy himself who has enlisted this army of troll accounts. 383 00:17:51,560 --> 00:17:54,119 Speaker 1: The person wrote, laughing, my ass off is the fact 384 00:17:54,119 --> 00:17:57,240 Speaker 1: of Jordan Simmy paying bots to spam her new love's launch. 385 00:17:57,440 --> 00:17:59,720 Speaker 1: I know Jordan and he one hundred percent did that 386 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:02,520 Speaker 1: haarissing Behabe. I just want to flag just so we 387 00:18:02,720 --> 00:18:04,600 Speaker 1: don't have to waste the time of Jordan simm or 388 00:18:04,600 --> 00:18:07,639 Speaker 1: any other influencer sending us a fake legal letter or 389 00:18:07,640 --> 00:18:12,360 Speaker 1: a legal letter from their PRPs and whatever. Allegedly. I'm 390 00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:14,800 Speaker 1: not sure like this is. People are just accusing him 391 00:18:14,840 --> 00:18:17,920 Speaker 1: of it. We don't know for certain. So I'm confused though, 392 00:18:17,920 --> 00:18:20,440 Speaker 1: because doesn't Jordan have a new girl. We spoke about 393 00:18:20,480 --> 00:18:22,800 Speaker 1: this back in July because around the same time that 394 00:18:22,840 --> 00:18:27,320 Speaker 1: Sammy soft launched Harrison, he was also soft launching this 395 00:18:27,600 --> 00:18:30,960 Speaker 1: other influence so sorry, she's actually a DJ at this 396 00:18:31,320 --> 00:18:33,200 Speaker 1: event that they went to, and it seemed like very 397 00:18:33,320 --> 00:18:35,840 Speaker 1: curious timing. I wouldn't be too happy if my new 398 00:18:35,880 --> 00:18:39,879 Speaker 1: boyfriend was potentially paying troll accounts to post shit on 399 00:18:39,960 --> 00:18:42,880 Speaker 1: my magic finding that come up in your bill. That's 400 00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:45,680 Speaker 1: an ick. That's definitely an ick. Jordan Simmy's clearly trying 401 00:18:45,680 --> 00:18:48,440 Speaker 1: to get into Harrison's head though. Yeah. Well it's funny 402 00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:50,760 Speaker 1: because he's back on his podcast and over the last 403 00:18:50,800 --> 00:18:53,480 Speaker 1: couple of days he's been sharing lots of clips from 404 00:18:53,520 --> 00:18:55,800 Speaker 1: segments from it, and in one clip, he was asked 405 00:18:55,800 --> 00:18:58,600 Speaker 1: about how he deals with heartbreak, and he responded, you 406 00:18:58,760 --> 00:19:01,240 Speaker 1: just never look back and move on. Maybe he should 407 00:19:01,240 --> 00:19:04,240 Speaker 1: take some of his own advice. Toby Pierce, go up straight, 408 00:19:04,240 --> 00:19:07,560 Speaker 1: took mate, thanks having me Rade. Toby Pearce and Rachel 409 00:19:07,640 --> 00:19:11,520 Speaker 1: Dylan are engaged. The former fiance of Kayla Assinas proposed 410 00:19:11,560 --> 00:19:14,640 Speaker 1: to the fitness influencer on a super in Capri as 411 00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:17,680 Speaker 1: you do, and I cannot get over the rock. It's 412 00:19:17,840 --> 00:19:20,560 Speaker 1: bloody huge. And of course the advertiser have run a 413 00:19:20,560 --> 00:19:23,000 Speaker 1: photo of the ring next to the ring that Toby 414 00:19:23,040 --> 00:19:26,040 Speaker 1: proposed to Kayla with, and I actually preferred the more 415 00:19:26,040 --> 00:19:29,280 Speaker 1: modest ring. Yeah, there's this trend of influencers getting given 416 00:19:29,320 --> 00:19:32,440 Speaker 1: these absolute rocks. I mean, think of Molly May's massive ring, 417 00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:35,640 Speaker 1: and I've got to say I actually think the smaller 418 00:19:35,680 --> 00:19:37,760 Speaker 1: ones are a lot classier. Some of them just looks 419 00:19:37,760 --> 00:19:40,080 Speaker 1: so good it can't even bend your finger because the 420 00:19:40,200 --> 00:19:42,359 Speaker 1: stone is so huge. I think we're seeing this trend 421 00:19:42,359 --> 00:19:45,000 Speaker 1: with everyday people though, too, because there's such a rise 422 00:19:45,040 --> 00:19:48,120 Speaker 1: in lab grown diamonds. I heard a diamond expert talking 423 00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:50,239 Speaker 1: on a podcast recently and they were saying that the 424 00:19:50,320 --> 00:19:54,080 Speaker 1: average diamond spans between one carrot to four carrot. Do 425 00:19:54,160 --> 00:19:56,399 Speaker 1: you mean like those are lab diamonds included. Yeah, but 426 00:19:56,440 --> 00:20:00,600 Speaker 1: that's what people are asking for people expect. Yes, that's huge. Yeah, 427 00:20:00,600 --> 00:20:02,960 Speaker 1: and Pandora have recently brought out lab diamonds, and I 428 00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:05,520 Speaker 1: think that the popularity is growing because it's not so 429 00:20:05,600 --> 00:20:08,200 Speaker 1: much that people want the diamond anymore and something that's 430 00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:11,160 Speaker 1: really special. They're happy to have a lab grown diamond 431 00:20:11,160 --> 00:20:13,520 Speaker 1: because they want something that's showy and that looks good 432 00:20:13,560 --> 00:20:16,800 Speaker 1: on Instagram. Well, back to Toby's proposal, it looked very sweet. 433 00:20:16,800 --> 00:20:19,000 Speaker 1: It took place on the first of September on a 434 00:20:19,080 --> 00:20:21,960 Speaker 1: super yacht, and Toby organized for the deck to be 435 00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:25,240 Speaker 1: filled with beautiful white floral arrangements that were similar to 436 00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:29,000 Speaker 1: the floral arrangements at Toby and Kayla's engagement party. He 437 00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:31,960 Speaker 1: also included Rachel's family, who appear to be traveling with 438 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:34,639 Speaker 1: them in Italy. Now. Toby took to Instagram to share 439 00:20:34,720 --> 00:20:37,399 Speaker 1: the news, writing I asked the most important question and 440 00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:41,200 Speaker 1: got the best possible answer, while Rachel wrote forever feels 441 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:43,480 Speaker 1: so right with you. She then went on to say, 442 00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:46,080 Speaker 1: I honestly have so much to share of this perfect moment, 443 00:20:46,119 --> 00:20:48,840 Speaker 1: but don't even know where to start just enjoying the 444 00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:51,119 Speaker 1: special moment. But don't worry, I'll fill you in on 445 00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:53,760 Speaker 1: it all. I feel like they are a relatively new couple, 446 00:20:53,800 --> 00:20:56,000 Speaker 1: but they did first go public with their relationship in 447 00:20:56,080 --> 00:20:58,080 Speaker 1: January twenty twenty two, so they have been together for 448 00:20:58,080 --> 00:21:00,040 Speaker 1: about a year and a half. Yeah, and Kayla and 449 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:03,200 Speaker 1: Toby actually split three years ago, back in August twenty 450 00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:05,760 Speaker 1: twenty two, after they were engaged for two years. And 451 00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:08,280 Speaker 1: they do share a daughter, Anna together, and I think 452 00:21:08,320 --> 00:21:11,000 Speaker 1: they can be commended with how well they appear on 453 00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:13,680 Speaker 1: the outside to be dealing with all of these new 454 00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:17,120 Speaker 1: relationships and co parenting well. Kayla and Toby. They did 455 00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:20,080 Speaker 1: announce their new relationships quite close to one another, so 456 00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:23,080 Speaker 1: a couple of weeks after Toby Hard launched his relationship 457 00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:25,919 Speaker 1: with Rachel, Kayla then shared that she was also in 458 00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:28,520 Speaker 1: a new relationship with her now fiance A. J. Woodruff. 459 00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:33,399 Speaker 1: Good morning everyone, quite early, I've actually been up for 460 00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:38,720 Speaker 1: the past three hours. A secret video of Tammy Hembro 461 00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:42,240 Speaker 1: with a new love interest has sparked debate. On Sunday, 462 00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:46,399 Speaker 1: influencer Watchdog account Influencer Updates A You shared a video 463 00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:49,560 Speaker 1: of what appears to be Tammy Hembro coosing up with 464 00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:53,080 Speaker 1: a mystery man outside a hotel. Some believe the man 465 00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:57,200 Speaker 1: is former Love islander and podcaster Matt Zawinski, and they've 466 00:21:57,240 --> 00:21:59,840 Speaker 1: tagged him in the post. Now what followed was a 467 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:02,919 Speaker 1: mixture of slut shamy comments and people saying the video 468 00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:05,480 Speaker 1: was creepy and that the page had gone too far. 469 00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:08,719 Speaker 1: Influencer Sofa Dofah actually came out in defense of Tammy 470 00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:11,679 Speaker 1: and wrote under the video, all the gross comments shaming 471 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:14,159 Speaker 1: her are appalling. What the fuck is wrong with people? 472 00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:17,000 Speaker 1: First of all, whoever filmed this should be embarrassed, because 473 00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:19,600 Speaker 1: I'm almost certain you'd hate to be filmed. And second, 474 00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:21,720 Speaker 1: let a girl live for fuck's sake. Who the f 475 00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:23,960 Speaker 1: cares if she's out with a guy? Is none of 476 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:26,760 Speaker 1: your business and not your place to comment now. Someone 477 00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:29,679 Speaker 1: replied to Sofa Dofah saying, this is literally a gossip 478 00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:32,240 Speaker 1: account that you follow. What did you think would be posted? 479 00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:34,600 Speaker 1: If anything, this is one of the only pages keeping 480 00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:38,560 Speaker 1: influencers relevant and spiking engagement. Tammy doesn't need defending. She's 481 00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:41,439 Speaker 1: literally making a bag, and you know it's a tricky 482 00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:44,399 Speaker 1: one because clearly we're a podcast about influencer culture, and 483 00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:48,080 Speaker 1: we do discuss relationship rumors, and we do get a 484 00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:50,680 Speaker 1: lot of dms from people saying that they've spotted an 485 00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:53,840 Speaker 1: influencer with a new partner, and sometimes they will include 486 00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:56,520 Speaker 1: a photo and a video. I do remember that a 487 00:22:56,760 --> 00:22:59,280 Speaker 1: follower gave us the heads up about Sammy Robinson and 488 00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:02,480 Speaker 1: Jordan Simmy being spotted out together when everyone thought that 489 00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:04,359 Speaker 1: they'd broken up, and they sent through a video of 490 00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:07,520 Speaker 1: them holding hands. But in that sort of situation, we 491 00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:11,359 Speaker 1: personally have chosen not to share videos that are taken 492 00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:14,040 Speaker 1: by general members of the public because I just feel 493 00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:16,720 Speaker 1: it is an invasion of privacy. That being said, influence 494 00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:19,520 Speaker 1: Updates are You is a very different account to ours, 495 00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:22,680 Speaker 1: and they are often sharing photos and videos and all 496 00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:25,280 Speaker 1: of that up to date influencer news. I wasn't surprised 497 00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:27,919 Speaker 1: that Influencer Updates are You shared the content. I was 498 00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:30,600 Speaker 1: actually surprised by the response to it, because we do 499 00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:33,600 Speaker 1: see photos and videos like this shared all the time 500 00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:36,560 Speaker 1: on pages like Daily Mail, and it's known that paparazzi 501 00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:39,919 Speaker 1: do follow people like Tammy Hembro around. But what do 502 00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:42,000 Speaker 1: you think it was that made this post feel so 503 00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:44,520 Speaker 1: ikey to so many people. I think the big difference 504 00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:46,879 Speaker 1: is that the video was actually filmed by a member 505 00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:49,119 Speaker 1: of the general public, and I think that adds to 506 00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:52,719 Speaker 1: the creepiness level, because when there are paparazzi around, they 507 00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:55,840 Speaker 1: generally have big cameras and the celebrities or influencers can 508 00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:58,960 Speaker 1: see them, Whereas it feels like very sneaky and a 509 00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:01,680 Speaker 1: real invasion of private see that someone has just I mean, 510 00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:03,480 Speaker 1: to me, looked like it was filmed out of a 511 00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:05,600 Speaker 1: car on an iPhone. The thing that I find quite 512 00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:09,040 Speaker 1: intriguing about the whole debate is is that with influencers, 513 00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:11,760 Speaker 1: some influencer can walk down the street and no one 514 00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:14,160 Speaker 1: will know who they are, but there's this core community 515 00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:16,879 Speaker 1: of people who love them and are obsessed with them. However, 516 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:19,720 Speaker 1: with a celebrity, the consensus is that most people know 517 00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:22,000 Speaker 1: who an a list celebrity, so they would get flooded 518 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:25,080 Speaker 1: with paparazzi people following them. And also generally people will 519 00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:27,640 Speaker 1: film celebrities when they see them on their phones as well. 520 00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:30,600 Speaker 1: But now this very niche group of people, they might 521 00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:32,440 Speaker 1: not even be able to go to the shops now 522 00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:34,600 Speaker 1: out of fear of someone taking a photo or a 523 00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:36,640 Speaker 1: video of something that they're doing and sending them into 524 00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:39,719 Speaker 1: a gossip page. But on the other side, influencers have 525 00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:43,800 Speaker 1: monetized their private life, so they make relationships and life 526 00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:46,760 Speaker 1: events these big moments where they can cash in. So 527 00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:49,080 Speaker 1: it does seem a little bit hypocritical when they call 528 00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:52,159 Speaker 1: for privacy when they're happy to then put it up 529 00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:54,560 Speaker 1: on their own page. I suppose it's that control element. 530 00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:57,960 Speaker 1: The thing where I felt uncomfortable is because it wasn't 531 00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:01,159 Speaker 1: actually that clear in the video if it was Tammy 532 00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:03,359 Speaker 1: and Matt, because it sort of led to more of 533 00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:05,800 Speaker 1: a guessing game as to who is this, and then 534 00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:08,399 Speaker 1: both parties were tagged in it. And I guess I 535 00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:11,080 Speaker 1: felt sorry for Tammy because recently on her TikTok she 536 00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:14,840 Speaker 1: has been talking about the fact that she is scared 537 00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:17,400 Speaker 1: to date and it is difficult to date when you've 538 00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:19,119 Speaker 1: got children, and I just feel like, if this is 539 00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:22,520 Speaker 1: a really new relationship, there's now a lot of pressure 540 00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:24,920 Speaker 1: put on that relationship to work out. It's more so 541 00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:27,760 Speaker 1: the commentary was really slutshaping because people were like, Oh, 542 00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:29,680 Speaker 1: I thought you said it was really difficult to date, 543 00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:32,840 Speaker 1: And I think that's what added to the ick factor 544 00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:35,080 Speaker 1: of the video being shared. I mean in terms of 545 00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:38,440 Speaker 1: whether we think that this is Matt. Recently, he has 546 00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:41,119 Speaker 1: split up with his girlfriend Genevieve back in May, and 547 00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:43,720 Speaker 1: Tammy and him do follow each other, so it is 548 00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:46,880 Speaker 1: rather interesting. I would not have put these two together myself. 549 00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:49,480 Speaker 1: I shipped this relationship if it is actually a thing, 550 00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:51,359 Speaker 1: Oh you do, Yeah, I ship it. I think they 551 00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:53,639 Speaker 1: look really good together. And I've listened to Matt a 552 00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:55,600 Speaker 1: bit on his podcast. He sounds like a nice guy. 553 00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:57,880 Speaker 1: Maybe this is what Tammy needs in her life. Yeah, 554 00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:02,080 Speaker 1: another Matt, though, I us share on her TikTok. She 555 00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:04,280 Speaker 1: put up one of those things is what will I 556 00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:06,280 Speaker 1: be doing to ring in the New Year or something 557 00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:08,280 Speaker 1: like that. I said, kissing my boyfriend and she sort 558 00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:10,720 Speaker 1: of made a face. So I'm kind of surprised that 559 00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:12,920 Speaker 1: the person who took this video didn't try and sell 560 00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:15,439 Speaker 1: it to the media, because I feel like someone like 561 00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:17,560 Speaker 1: Daily Mail would have paid big bucks for it. It's 562 00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:20,960 Speaker 1: a bit reminiscent of that video of Kyl Stefanovic and 563 00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:23,639 Speaker 1: Michael Klark. The thing is, I'd be annoyed if I 564 00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:25,439 Speaker 1: was this person that took the video. I mean, I 565 00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:27,719 Speaker 1: don't think morally that they should be making money off 566 00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:30,840 Speaker 1: it at all, but every news outlet like the Daily 567 00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:33,240 Speaker 1: Mail Perth now have just ripped the vision and are 568 00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:35,320 Speaker 1: just putting it out there anyway. Well, I think that's 569 00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:37,440 Speaker 1: all we've got time for today. If you did enjoy 570 00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:40,119 Speaker 1: the podcast, please leave us a five star review and 571 00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:42,240 Speaker 1: don't forget. If you want to listen to more content, 572 00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:44,879 Speaker 1: we have outspoken plus all the details are in our 573 00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:48,080 Speaker 1: show notes. This podcast was recorded on the traditional land 574 00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:50,400 Speaker 1: of the Ghana people of the Adelaide Planes. 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