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Speaker 1: Got the member for Catherine, Joe Hersey in the studio

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Speaker 1: with us this morning for the week. That was Good

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Speaker 1: morning Joe.

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Speaker 2: Good morning Katie, and good morning listeners.

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Speaker 1: And we've got nine News. Darwin's Kathleen Gazola. Good morning

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Speaker 1: to you, Kathleen. And we've got the Minister for Transport Infrastructure,

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Speaker 1: she's the treasurer. She's got a lot of portfolios. Eva Laula,

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Speaker 1: good morning to you. An all female lineup today. Great

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Speaker 1: to have you all in the studio. And look, there

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Speaker 1: is so much happening around the territory. I do just

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Speaker 1: want to say very quickly though, we know that Donald

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Speaker 1: Trump has been indicted in a case sport by the

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Speaker 1: Manhattan District Attorney's office into his alleged cover up of

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Speaker 1: hush money payment to a pawn star ahead of the

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Speaker 1: twenty sixteen presidential election. That's according to multiple US media outlets.

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Speaker 1: You just couldn't write about this star, good John.

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Speaker 3: That actually happened exactly exactly.

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Speaker 1: So we'll keep an eye on that, no doubt, there'll

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Speaker 1: be plenty of flowing through on that one throughout the day.

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Speaker 1: Now let's head across though to some pretty serious issues,

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Speaker 1: well very serious issues. In fact, around the territory, we

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Speaker 1: do know that decland Lavity well. Less than two weeks ago,

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Speaker 1: the life of Declan Lavity was tragically cut short.

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Speaker 3: He was allegedly stabbed while doing his job at b

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Speaker 1: Family, friends and the community members will today gather to

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Speaker 1: say farewell to the young bottle shop worker at his

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's really touched the entire Northern Territory really.

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Speaker 4: I think everyone was left really shocked at the beginning

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Speaker 1: Very brave of his family to speak the way that

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Speaker 2: I'd say, amazing thing to do. So, yeah, terrible, terrible tragedy,

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Speaker 4: You put a human face to it, right. You know,

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Speaker 1: And we will talk about some of the changes that

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Speaker 1: Though there is also we know that there has been

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Speaker 1: a petition which was started by a territory of Mitchell Edwoods.

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Speaker 1: He spoke to us on the show last week. It's

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Speaker 1: been signed by more than ten thousand people into the

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Speaker 2: And John and Shirley bought a petition.

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Speaker 5: About the crime and anti social behavior and I lodged

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Speaker 5: And so you know, if that's what they got in

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Speaker 2: And good on them for doing that.

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Speaker 1: I guess the message is very loud and clear, and

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Speaker 1: The really crappy thing is is that it's happening all

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Speaker 4: Totally fed up. And I mean to see that turnout

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Speaker 3: Perhaps we're not ripping up.

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Speaker 2: So there was going to be a lot, but I

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Speaker 4: Idea, but absolutely like and that just shows this year

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Speaker 3: Fed off, fed fobbed off.

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Speaker 4: And so I think during last week on my own

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Speaker 4: just so done with it. It really is a sad

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Speaker 3: Point, Shiva.

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Speaker 1: Is the government, I mean we'll talk about these announcements

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, absolutely, Katie. I mean we're as frustrated as anybody.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I've said this many times. A good day

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Speaker 2: I don't get an email or Facebook message around crime.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely fed up with it. And this is a broad

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Speaker 4: And many would feel like it doesn't given it doesn't

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Speaker 5: These transparent That is something that they came to the

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Speaker 2: Two years ago we bought in bail reform. It was

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Speaker 5: We had two amendments to the bar reform to include

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Speaker 3: Star pickets and were not other weapons.

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Speaker 2: Let's step through this. So we the presumption against bail

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Speaker 1: So we need the fact that he listened, but they're

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Speaker 2: So that work is underway, so we have to Actually,

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Speaker 2: So an offensive weapon that so that was neutral. So

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Speaker 2: Let's face it, if somebody is doing something that bad,

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Speaker 1: And unfortunately, circumstance has shown us that that's not always

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Speaker 1: And that's where I think we're sort of we seem

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Speaker 4: And I think there's been a bit of frustration that

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Speaker 4: to come, because I mean, we've got an election next year,

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Speaker 4: so is it going to take months? Is it going

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Speaker 4: to take up to that and then it's.

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Speaker 3: Going to be happening as a matter of priority.

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Speaker 2: But there's no date on that or no timeline. Why

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Speaker 2: would we tell you the date the opposition.

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Speaker 3: The menu there public.

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Speaker 1: Are we expecting it to be weeks or are we

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Speaker 1: expecting it to be months?

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Speaker 2: We'll wait for that work to be done and it

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Speaker 2: will be announced at that time.

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Speaker 1: Now, one of the other issues that's been raised in

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Speaker 1: the over the last twenty four hours or so as

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Speaker 1: a result of the changes is whether we are going

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Speaker 1: to see an influx of people held on remand in prisons.

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Speaker 1: We know that right now the prisons are really bursting

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Speaker 1: at the scene. So we've got a situation where we

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Speaker 1: have got growing numbers in watch houses. So there's forty

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Speaker 1: people in the Darwin watch house that was as of

460
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Speaker 1: yesterday was the number that we were provided by the union,

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Speaker 1: twenty two in our springs and ten out at the

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Speaker 1: Peter mcaulay Center in Berrima. So that is I guess

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Speaker 1: the next step here is as we potentially see more

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Speaker 1: people held on remand, we are going to have a

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Speaker 1: situation where the prisons are even more full than what

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Speaker 1: they already are.

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Speaker 3: So how do we deal with that?

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Speaker 5: So Katie, there's you know what is what is the

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Speaker 5: government's plan And we've asked for the low risk prisoners

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Speaker 5: to go into work camps, you know, where they can

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Speaker 5: potentially learn things and go out and do community service.

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Speaker 5: That doesn't seem to be happening.

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Speaker 3: There was actually.

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Speaker 5: There was a there was an announcement at the last

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Speaker 5: election that that was one of their commitments.

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Speaker 2: It's so it is happening in the Barkland. It is

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Speaker 2: happening at Norman Boy. There is work camps.

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Speaker 5: What about in Dawin, what about in every other place

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Speaker 5: across the territory even well that's what it's not happening.

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Speaker 2: It is so there are work camps and there are

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Speaker 2: alternatives custy. So those things are happening, but the numbers

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Speaker 2: are high. As I said, that is a reality in

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Speaker 2: the territory that we have had a growth in crime,

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Speaker 2: and we've been working hard to look at alternatives to

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Speaker 2: custody as well around that. And I think it was

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Speaker 2: probably eighteen months ago that Selena released the Aboriginal Justice Agreement.

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Speaker 2: But again, you know you need to it's the old

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Speaker 2: adage around a river, save people before they and teach

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Speaker 2: them to swim, or you rescue them as they're going

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Speaker 2: over them. You exactly doing work. But we need to

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Speaker 2: do more and continue to do more at those ones

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Speaker 2: around stopping the crime so that we don't see good

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Speaker 2: or anybody in that judicial system.

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Speaker 1: I agree, and look, I do firmly believe that we've

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Speaker 1: got to stop people before they get on that path.

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Speaker 1: But what I think a lot of people were very

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Speaker 1: worried about for quite some time is that it seemed

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Speaker 1: as though there's absolute lawlessness and people getting away with

499
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Speaker 1: being able to do as they please and not being

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Speaker 1: punished for it or not actually you know, having es.

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Speaker 2: It has just happened.

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Speaker 5: You know, this has been excuse me, at boiling point,

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Speaker 5: or you know, this has been happening for years and

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Speaker 5: it's got to boiling point. That's taken the government to

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Speaker 5: actually act and make some kind of change. And as

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Speaker 5: I said, we absolutely agree with this change, but we

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Speaker 5: just think it should have gone just a step further

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Speaker 5: just and if the review is happening.

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Speaker 4: It seems that there's a bit of an issue in

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Speaker 4: terms of the flow through the court system. That's that's

511
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Speaker 4: the really slow end of it, and a lot of

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Speaker 4: people left on remand while their cases are going through

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Speaker 4: the legal system. I mean, I'm not in court as

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Speaker 4: much as I used to be reporting, but you hear

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Speaker 4: so often people on remand for twelve months while they're

516
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Speaker 4: waiting for their cases to be sought, and potentially what

517
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Speaker 4: they allegedly did won't even have a length of sentence

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Speaker 4: that long.

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Speaker 2: Yes, do you know what I mean?

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Speaker 3: So, how do you prevent that? Or what work's been done.

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Speaker 4: Is remand they can't do programs.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so there will be some work around. That's some announcements.

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Speaker 2: I'm not going to presum presume some of the work

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Speaker 2: that's coming through with the budget work, but there is.

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Speaker 2: But you know, we are building a new youth justice facility.

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Speaker 2: That's you know, along with the upgrades that we're seeing

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Speaker 2: out in Alice Springs, and that's I don't know if

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Speaker 2: the top I'm trying to remember, but it's about an

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Speaker 2: eighty ninety million dollar build. You know, it is expensive

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Speaker 2: to build facilities. The Holtz Prison I think was three

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Speaker 2: hundred million dollars, So absolutely the government has plans, you know,

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Speaker 2: long term plans around it. It might have been more.

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Speaker 2: It was close to a billion. It was a license though,

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's it's a least.

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Speaker 3: Process is the new youth diversions to the end of this.

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Speaker 2: Year, so hopefully by November we'll see the big one

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Speaker 2: in Darwin that'll be opened. Also the upgrades in Alice Springs.

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Speaker 3: We might take a very quick break or sorry, Joe.

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Speaker 5: Also Katie there was talk about the Salvation Army Building

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Speaker 5: in Alice Springs being refurbished for the justice system, and.

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Speaker 2: You know, we didn't seem to get any answer about that.

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Speaker 2: These were yes, well you know the community, that was

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Speaker 2: the answer that they will.

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Speaker 5: That'll be interesting because that was not what the residents

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Speaker 5: in that area had been hearing.

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Speaker 3: So what were they hearing that it was going to be.

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Speaker 5: Usedation Army hostel is being refurbished for use by the

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Speaker 5: justice system. So okay, we'll wait and see if that

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Speaker 5: actually happens, because yeah, Chancey, he did refuse to rule

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Speaker 5: it out.

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Speaker 2: That was actually the answer.

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Speaker 4: No, I think he said he wasn't moving inmates into there,

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Speaker 4: or well it wasn't going to be the case in

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Speaker 4: questions either.

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Speaker 1: Is that your understanding, I'm not really it's my portfolio, Chancy.

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Speaker 1: All right, we are going to take a very short break.

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Speaker 1: Coming up next, we are going to speak about some

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Speaker 1: of the announcements when it comes to alcohol.

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Speaker 3: Actually, just very quickly before I get there.

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Speaker 1: Either with the capsicum spray, I know that you had

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Speaker 1: said throughout the week, because there has been a lot

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Speaker 1: of questions about that the capsicum spray, So that works

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Speaker 1: underway at the moment as well.

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Speaker 2: I've introduced legislation on Thursday, not introduced you. I did

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Speaker 2: introduce that legislation Thursday. It'll be debated in the next sitting,

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Speaker 2: so that'll be in the main sittings. That will provide

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Speaker 2: very clear directions around it, because you know, I did

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Speaker 2: hear concerns from the community around yeah, you know, yeah,

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Speaker 2: are these people going to be trained? Are they are

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Speaker 2: they going to be you know, some checks and balances

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Speaker 2: in place. Yes, That legislation spells that out very very

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Speaker 2: clearly that there will be training. That training is going

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Speaker 2: to happen very soon. But there will be the opportunity

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Speaker 2: well they all wet body worn cameras. They also will

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Speaker 2: have the opportunity for complaints through onds and things like that.

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Speaker 2: So it will be very very carefully managed. It will

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Speaker 2: be useless. The last resort.

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Speaker 3: We're going to take a very short break.

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Speaker 1: You are listening to Mix one O four nine's three

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Speaker 1: sixty D is the week that was. If you've just

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Speaker 1: joined us this morning. We are in the studio with

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Speaker 1: Joe Hersey, the member for Catherine. We've got nine News,

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Speaker 1: Darwin's Kathleen Gazola, and we've got Evil Lawla who's the

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Speaker 1: Minister for Education and the Treasurer and various other portfolios. Now,

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Speaker 1: there was the announcement made yesterday morning the Northern Territory

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Speaker 1: Chief Minister saying that the government's going to open expressions

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Speaker 1: of interest for the voluntary buyback of grocery store based

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Speaker 1: liquor licenses in the Northern Territory. So the move is

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Speaker 1: the latest in a series of measures introduced by the

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Speaker 1: government which are really aimed at reducing alcohol related violence.

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Speaker 1: And I know that there has been quite a bit

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Speaker 1: of discussion, I guess over the last twenty four hours

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Speaker 1: about whether it will make a huge difference or whether

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Speaker 1: people are still going to go and access their alcohol

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Speaker 1: from somewhere else. And I guess that that's always the concern.

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Speaker 1: But nonetheless, it is a move that the government is

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Speaker 1: making and it has sort of received polarizing reactions. I've

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Speaker 1: been told by some that there are a couple of

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Speaker 1: convenience stores that will be quite happy to go through

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Speaker 1: this process, Others quite staunchly not keen for it to

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Speaker 1: happen and not overly happy about the twenty five percent

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Speaker 1: you know situation that they're in as well.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you go then So Katie, I think with this

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Speaker 5: buyback of alcohol, it's what you're doing is going after

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Speaker 5: I think about the mum and dad businesses out there.

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Speaker 2: You know, there's a there's a in Madaranka.

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Speaker 5: There's a business there that's had three generations and this

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Speaker 5: could mean the end for them. So the end for

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Speaker 5: that business in Madaranka that's had that No, no, it

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Speaker 5: won't be viable. This is not about polit grog. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: but if you've had a business either for three generations.

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Speaker 2: You know they're the.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, well what it'll do by removing it is make

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Speaker 5: that business unviable and for three generations, you know, that's

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Speaker 5: where's their livelihood then and their commitment to Madaranka over

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Speaker 5: all that time. So it's about you know, it's not

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Speaker 5: about less grog, it's about less jobs. And all that's

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Speaker 5: going to do is move those people to another area,

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Speaker 5: to the to the bigger chains. You know, that's not

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Speaker 5: actually helping the small business the matter.

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Speaker 2: Rank one isn't a good example. Of course, no one's

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Speaker 2: going to This is voluntary. So what it is is

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Speaker 2: this is a relic of the past where you had

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Speaker 2: grocery stores being able to sell alcohol. So we're trying

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Speaker 2: to reduce that as again it's voluntary, but that isn't

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Speaker 2: their license. So their license, they don't have a takeaway license.

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Speaker 2: Their license is as a grocery store and to sell

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Speaker 2: alcohol as an adjunct to that. And when we're starting

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Speaker 2: to see places sell more and more alcohol, well then

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Speaker 2: they maybe need to look at their liquor license and

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Speaker 2: what they have it for, because if it's a takeaway license, absolutely,

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Speaker 2: again there's different rules around that. But I can give

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Speaker 2: examples in my electorate where we have grocery stores corner

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Speaker 2: stores selling alcohol. And yes, you said, is it going

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Speaker 2: to make a huge difference. The huge difference would be

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Speaker 2: if you didn't have those liquor licenses in those places.

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Speaker 2: It's the people that come there that are attracted to that.

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Speaker 2: So in my suburb, driver for example, does not have

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Speaker 2: a lique license. The corner store there is very different too.

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Speaker 2: And I won't say the other suburbs, but the other

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Speaker 2: suburbs where there are liquor license people congregate nine point

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Speaker 2: thirty on a Saturday morning. You can start to buy

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Speaker 2: grog in some of those corner stoes.

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Speaker 1: So you reckon, it'll just it'll more so make a

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Speaker 1: difference that you won't have people sort of congregating around

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Speaker 1: those areas that are that are a suburbs residential.

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Speaker 2: Suburbsidential suburbs exactly, Katie. And the impact on that because

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Speaker 2: then we see and that both mayors have come out,

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Speaker 2: you see broken glass. I have people telling me about

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Speaker 2: broken glass and playgrounds, which is an issue for counsel

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Speaker 2: and I'm getting onto the council to clean it up.

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Speaker 2: So it's all those knock on effects. Then broken glass,

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Speaker 2: on pay on paving, alcohol is the scourge in the

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Speaker 2: Northern Territory. We need know that this is just but

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Speaker 2: one measure we're putting in place. Even if it reduces

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Speaker 2: it by three or four licenses, that's a good thing.

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Speaker 1: There are no big document has obviously been that no

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Speaker 1: matter what, people are still going to be able to

659
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Speaker 1: go to their majors and get alcohol. And so it's

660
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Speaker 1: not going to stop people from drinking. And then the

661
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:04,400
Speaker 1: other argument, I guess has been from the.

662
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Speaker 2: License then and they then they have a license, and

663
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Speaker 2: then they have the you know, they have to pay

664
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Speaker 2: the increases in their license around that risk based licensings

665
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:16,560
Speaker 2: in place, they have security at those shopping centers. There

666
00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:18,600
Speaker 2: are other measures in place around that.

667
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:21,160
Speaker 1: The other argument though, from some is this, if the

668
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Speaker 1: band drinker register, if the floor price, if the other

669
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:26,959
Speaker 1: measures that are already in place are working, then why

670
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Speaker 1: do you need to buy back those licenses from those

671
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:32,480
Speaker 1: you know, from those convenience storks.

672
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Speaker 2: Well, the analogy that I've talked in here, it's like

673
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:38,800
Speaker 2: squeezing a balloon. You're dealing with alcoholics in this these examples,

674
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:41,000
Speaker 2: we're not talking about the average person who just wants

675
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:43,200
Speaker 2: to buy a bottle of wine on the way home

676
00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:46,320
Speaker 2: from work. We're talking about people who are chronic alcoholics,

677
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:50,080
Speaker 2: who are buying large, large amounts of alcohol and some

678
00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:52,000
Speaker 2: of them giving them or selling them to their friends,

679
00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:54,440
Speaker 2: all of those issues where we then see them drinking

680
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:58,360
Speaker 2: alcohol around those communities, in those suburbs where they should

681
00:33:58,360 --> 00:33:58,680
Speaker 2: not sit.

682
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Speaker 1: So is the band drinker read just a working because

683
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Speaker 1: you know, if you sort of take all of that

684
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:05,800
Speaker 1: into place, you'd have to argue that it's not.

685
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:08,279
Speaker 2: Well, it is around secondary supply. And I can, as

686
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:10,960
Speaker 2: I said, give examples in my suburb where there are

687
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:14,680
Speaker 2: people that are aiding and a betting the sale of alcohol.

688
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:17,000
Speaker 2: So you know, people who are going to the shop

689
00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:20,319
Speaker 2: and buying alcohol selling them on and we know that,

690
00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:23,439
Speaker 2: and you know we report those things to police. But yeah,

691
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:25,560
Speaker 2: there are people who are unscrupulous. And I hope again

692
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:27,920
Speaker 2: that if there are people that are listening here, you

693
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 2: are part of the problem.

694
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:34,480
Speaker 5: You talk about the Zicoli I G A. And Eva's

695
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:38,680
Speaker 5: talking about security. They have security measures there and you know,

696
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Speaker 5: as the main tenant in that shopping center, like we've

697
00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:45,879
Speaker 5: heard Shelley talk and say that, you know, it might

698
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:47,920
Speaker 5: mean the end for that I G. A. And I'm

699
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:51,200
Speaker 5: sure that they will, you know, come hell oh wa

700
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:54,080
Speaker 5: to do what they can to remain in that shopping

701
00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:57,920
Speaker 5: center and remain with their liquor outlets.

702
00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:00,520
Speaker 3: Try and catch up with after ten you can.

703
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:02,480
Speaker 5: Be going for the bottle of wine to have with

704
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:04,080
Speaker 5: something for dinner that they're getting.

705
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Speaker 2: But you're confusing two things. We're talking about the voluntary buyback,

706
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:09,880
Speaker 2: you're talking I think about the twenty five percent. So

707
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 2: there's two different things here. Shelley and Zicoli do not

708
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:15,600
Speaker 2: need to sell these if they do not want to.

709
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:18,480
Speaker 2: Of course they don't if that's their business model. But

710
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:21,280
Speaker 2: also the license they have is around a certainty.

711
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:23,879
Speaker 1: It's a government though, making it so difficult for it

712
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:26,560
Speaker 1: to be viable then for the likes of an IgA

713
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:29,120
Speaker 1: with that twenty five percent, and and you know, with

714
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Speaker 1: some of the measures that are in place.

715
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Speaker 3: That's the thing.

716
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:34,080
Speaker 4: I think it's the concern of whether the goalposts might

717
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:36,759
Speaker 4: change sort of thing. It's voluntary at the moment. And

718
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:39,920
Speaker 4: we saw the twenty five cap over the year changed

719
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:43,560
Speaker 4: earlier this year to quarterly, which you know, I don't

720
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:45,920
Speaker 4: remember being told now that was happening.

721
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:47,400
Speaker 3: Really it was happening exactly.

722
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:50,000
Speaker 4: So it's sort of like that got changed, and so

723
00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:54,520
Speaker 4: they've it's harder to manage those peaks and troughs over

724
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:57,800
Speaker 4: that quarter, like we've seen Shelley's had to close because

725
00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:00,200
Speaker 4: they came close to that twenty five cap because the

726
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:04,360
Speaker 4: BWS were closed in lights of Declan's tragedy. So is

727
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:10,600
Speaker 4: it going to remain voluntary or will it potentially change?

728
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:14,040
Speaker 4: Because I mean, I was listening to Golflan earlier on

729
00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:16,799
Speaker 4: another radio station, the new liquor Commissioner Boss, and he

730
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:19,799
Speaker 4: reminded us that the Riley review five years ago had

731
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:24,360
Speaker 4: a fifteen percent cap recommendation and to phase those licenses

732
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:27,279
Speaker 4: out over seven years. So five years on from that

733
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:32,160
Speaker 4: that Riley review. Is the voluntary stance potentially going to change.

734
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:35,480
Speaker 4: If these businesses can't stay within that twenty five percent,

735
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:36,760
Speaker 4: that's the fear.

736
00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:39,719
Speaker 2: That's well, if they're breaching it. We have had examples

737
00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:42,120
Speaker 2: of people have been breaching the twenty five percent, and

738
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:45,160
Speaker 2: as I said, Riley said, fifteen percent. Our government moved

739
00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:47,880
Speaker 2: it to twenty five percent, so made it even fairer

740
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:48,239
Speaker 2: we thought.

741
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:50,920
Speaker 4: But it's the changing of the goalpost that's the problem.

742
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:55,080
Speaker 2: Twenty But again, these are corner stores, their grocery stores.

743
00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:57,319
Speaker 2: That is not their license. If they want to be

744
00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:00,400
Speaker 2: a takeaway liquor outlet, they need to look at that.

745
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:04,400
Speaker 2: We have so many there's something like fifty grocery store

746
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:07,040
Speaker 2: licenses in the territory. There's been a moratorium on that.

747
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:09,719
Speaker 2: We need to see less. We're trying to minimize the

748
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:12,799
Speaker 2: harm of alcohol. All of these crimes, there's a huge

749
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:14,000
Speaker 2: amount of alcoholics behind them.

750
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Speaker 4: I don't think anyone can argue against the merits of

751
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:18,680
Speaker 4: less alcohol than the community. Certainly, but we have touched

752
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:21,280
Speaker 4: on that someone wants grog, they're going to get grog

753
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:23,920
Speaker 4: so to go to players.

754
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:25,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, that is the worry.

755
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:27,200
Speaker 1: But I want to move along because I do want

756
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Speaker 1: to talk about the fact that there has actually been

757
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:33,919
Speaker 1: According to a report that Sky News have obchanged, there's

758
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:37,000
Speaker 1: been a dramatic fall in alcohol and domestic violence related

759
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 1: hospital admissions at the Alice Springs Hospital since liqua bands

760
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:44,120
Speaker 1: were reinstated last month. So the Northern Territory Department of

761
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:47,440
Speaker 1: Health data which was obtained by Sky News shows that

762
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:52,560
Speaker 1: alcohol related emergency department presentations fell almost fourteen percent below

763
00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:56,560
Speaker 1: the hospital's baseline figure in February. This month, they're down

764
00:37:56,640 --> 00:38:00,600
Speaker 1: twelve point four percent for data collected until March seventeen.

765
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:05,080
Speaker 1: Domestic violence related hospital presentations fell twenty one point four

766
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:09,360
Speaker 1: percent below the baseline figure in February. Now we know

767
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:12,160
Speaker 1: that week by week data as well shows an instant

768
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:15,359
Speaker 1: fall in alcohol and domestic violence related presentations in Alice

769
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Speaker 1: Springs Hospital. That correlates with the reintroduction of alcohol bands

770
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Speaker 1: in the town's aboriginal camps. So I guess the big

771
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:26,680
Speaker 1: question is are we going to see an extension of

772
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:31,000
Speaker 1: these of these alcohol bands given the massive impact that

773
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Speaker 1: they seem to be having, which.

774
00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:35,680
Speaker 4: I mean, it's fantastic that we are seeing a drop.

775
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:37,480
Speaker 4: That's certainly what the community needed.

776
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:39,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean and if you look, I do want

777
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:41,520
Speaker 1: to say that if you listen to people in Alice Springs,

778
00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:43,759
Speaker 1: and I did watch on the ABC News last night

779
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:46,959
Speaker 1: that there is concern that it's not the Yeah, it's

780
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:48,080
Speaker 1: just moving the problem.

781
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:51,840
Speaker 5: And we heard from the mayor of man iSER Y

782
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Speaker 5: they had a huge problem there since.

783
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Speaker 1: Five hundred people i think went across the border at

784
00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:00,360
Speaker 1: one point when we'd spoken to the mayor Daniel and

785
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:01,760
Speaker 1: she told us the problems.

786
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:03,640
Speaker 2: But it is telling us that this is the problem

787
00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:06,520
Speaker 2: across the North of Australia. And as I said, alcohol

788
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:08,400
Speaker 2: is the scourge about our communities.

789
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:12,040
Speaker 3: It's a terrible They were Territorians going across.

790
00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:16,160
Speaker 2: To and then they can and they move backwards and

791
00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:19,120
Speaker 2: forwards people as well. So but again it is good

792
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:21,120
Speaker 2: news around what we're seeing in Alice Springs. And as

793
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:24,200
Speaker 2: I said, for the nurses and doctors in the hospital, yes,

794
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:25,400
Speaker 2: we can all feel for them.

795
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:28,239
Speaker 3: Do you think what needs to be extended?

796
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:30,719
Speaker 1: Do we need to you know, look, do we realistically

797
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:32,640
Speaker 1: need to extend the bands that are that are in

798
00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:33,520
Speaker 1: Polish right now?

799
00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:37,080
Speaker 2: Well, I'm I'm not a drinker, so I had a

800
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:39,840
Speaker 2: had family members who are big drinkers, and I was

801
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:43,399
Speaker 2: always the sober bob and the driver and all the rest.

802
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:45,640
Speaker 2: So you're talking to the wrong person around here, because

803
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:49,640
Speaker 2: I absolutely think that we need to keep continue to

804
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:52,560
Speaker 2: minimize the harm around alcohol. But again, we need to

805
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:55,759
Speaker 2: educate people around that why are people drinking? We need

806
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:58,040
Speaker 2: to continue to work with the root cause, I mean,

807
00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 2: that's work in schools, it's work when their little kids

808
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:04,600
Speaker 2: around that. There's a lot of ways around teaching people

809
00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:07,480
Speaker 2: that they don't need alcohol. But yeah, it is a dreadful,

810
00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:08,280
Speaker 2: dreadful situation.

811
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Speaker 4: We need to see those restrictions extended to at least

812
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:15,560
Speaker 4: get a little bit longer, more data perspective of the

813
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:18,440
Speaker 4: impact because we honestly do see when you bring in

814
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:21,920
Speaker 4: those restrictions there is a drop and then potentially it

815
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:23,040
Speaker 4: pops back up again.

816
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:25,080
Speaker 2: You do get those spikes, as I said, it is,

817
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:27,759
Speaker 2: and that sometimes is one individual or a group that

818
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Speaker 2: as you said by Grog, the secondary supply it is.

819
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:31,920
Speaker 2: It's a terrible situation.

820
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Speaker 1: But Joe, were you seeing an influx of people in

821
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Speaker 1: the likes of Catherine as well, because that had been

822
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:38,439
Speaker 1: a concern that we were going to sort of see

823
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:40,680
Speaker 1: as those alcohol bands are in place, that we're going

824
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:42,759
Speaker 1: to see people move to other locations. I mean, you'd

825
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:45,320
Speaker 1: touched on Mount iSER, but how has it been in Catherine.

826
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Speaker 5: Yeah, so there has been more people in the community, Katie.

827
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:51,560
Speaker 2: We can't exactly say where they're from.

828
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Speaker 5: I mean when I'm there, I often talk to people

829
00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:56,799
Speaker 5: and find out where they are from. Just when I

830
00:40:56,840 --> 00:40:59,319
Speaker 5: was home on the weekend, you know, I asked, you know,

831
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:01,239
Speaker 5: the people walk around the streets, you know, just out

832
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:03,520
Speaker 5: of curiosity, where are you from? And that you know

833
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:07,359
Speaker 5: some from cal Karinji so, but you know locals as well.

834
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:10,360
Speaker 5: But there has been more people in town. But like

835
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:14,440
Speaker 5: we continually say, prohibition doesn't work and this does not

836
00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:18,640
Speaker 5: actually remove the crime and anti social behavior happening in

837
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Speaker 5: Alice Springs. We've seen cars burning, We've seen Matt that

838
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:26,120
Speaker 5: got a rock hurled at him and lost an eye.

839
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:31,360
Speaker 2: You know that there's it's not so much so much.

840
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:35,120
Speaker 5: Going on in our springs in regard to youth crime,

841
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:38,040
Speaker 5: break ins, assaults, property offenses.

842
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:39,360
Speaker 2: They continue to go on.

843
00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:41,200
Speaker 4: And we need to see that money in at two

844
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:43,920
Speaker 4: hundred and fifty million dollars rolled out, which isn't happening

845
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:45,879
Speaker 4: until I understand July first.

846
00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:47,120
Speaker 3: You've got the territories.

847
00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:50,040
Speaker 2: How is that going to happen through the budget process?

848
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:52,440
Speaker 2: It yeah, the federal budget. Well, yeah, the federal the Fed.

849
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:54,560
Speaker 2: Actually the federal budget is on the ninth of May,

850
00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:57,319
Speaker 2: same day as our budget, so we'll be watching very

851
00:41:57,360 --> 00:41:59,920
Speaker 2: closely around money. They'll be coming to the territory for

852
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:00,520
Speaker 2: the Feds.

853
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:03,239
Speaker 1: Well, take a very short break. You are listening to

854
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:05,400
Speaker 1: Mix one oh four nine. It is the week that was.

855
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:08,160
Speaker 1: If you've just joined us, well you've missed an action

856
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:11,400
Speaker 1: packed hour. But in the studio with us is evil Lula,

857
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:15,160
Speaker 1: Kathleen Gazola and Joe Hersey. Now just quickly, we know

858
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:17,319
Speaker 1: that nationally throughout the week there was a pretty big

859
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:21,200
Speaker 1: decision made that could have quite significant ramifications for the

860
00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:24,720
Speaker 1: Northern Territory. The federal government secured the support it needed

861
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:28,279
Speaker 1: to implement its Central Climate Change commitment after reaching a

862
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:32,680
Speaker 1: deal with the Greens following months of Safeguard Mechanism negotiations. Now,

863
00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:36,759
Speaker 1: the Safeguard Mechanism is going to impose emissions limits on

864
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:40,000
Speaker 1: two hundred and fifteen of the largest polluting facilities across

865
00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:43,160
Speaker 1: the country, and the Greens support for the policy requires

866
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:47,080
Speaker 1: the government to impose well that hard cap on emissions.

867
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Speaker 1: We spoke to the Northern Territory Environment Center and they

868
00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:53,440
Speaker 1: had said that the announcement, well of the deal of

869
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:57,320
Speaker 1: the safeguard mechanism sounds the death knell for new gas

870
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Speaker 1: projects in the Northern Territory, including the Beterloo and Barossa projects.

871
00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:05,360
Speaker 1: We also, though, heard from APS Chief executive Samantha McCulloch

872
00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:08,160
Speaker 1: who said that the deal announced through the week would

873
00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:12,520
Speaker 1: ultimately make Australia's climate change targets harder and more costly

874
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:15,640
Speaker 1: to meet, but they are already committed to net zero

875
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:19,319
Speaker 1: by twenty fifty. I guess for the Northern Territory. You know,

876
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:22,240
Speaker 1: we've spoken about fracking, honestly to we're blue in the face.

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Speaker 1: We've had so many discussions about it. It was a

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Speaker 1: huge issue before the last Northern Territory election. We know

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Speaker 1: what's happening. We know it's going ahead. If it doesn't, though,

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Speaker 1: I suppose, what does that mean to the to the

881
00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:38,239
Speaker 1: to the twenty you know, to our forty million dollar

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00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:40,320
Speaker 1: economy by twenty thirty.

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Speaker 2: Yes, so we would say yes it was going to

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Speaker 2: go ahead. And one thing that we need to be

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00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:49,080
Speaker 2: reminded of, you know, Santos, Origin impacts. They all actually

886
00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:52,120
Speaker 2: have targets already. So you know, the Northern Territory Government

887
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Speaker 2: has net zero by twenty fifty, but off the top

888
00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:56,839
Speaker 2: of my head, I think Santos and Origin have net

889
00:43:56,920 --> 00:44:00,239
Speaker 2: zero by twenty forty. So all of these companies, they

890
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Speaker 2: have shareholders who are pushing them around, you know, being

891
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:06,560
Speaker 2: green as well and doing the right thing rightund the environment.

892
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:09,880
Speaker 2: So yeah, and you know the Northern Territory government, we

893
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Speaker 2: have updated our Environment Protection Act. We've also put in

894
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:19,560
Speaker 2: the Largermitters policy, you know, the greenhouse gas emissions plans

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00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:22,040
Speaker 2: they have to have. So anybody that's going to have

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Speaker 2: an industry in the Northern Territory on to oil and

897
00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:27,280
Speaker 2: gas industry, they have to actually have plans to off.

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Speaker 1: Safe juggle though, right because I mean, at the end

899
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Speaker 1: of the day, we still need gas to be able

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Speaker 1: to transition to our green power and to solar and

901
00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 1: to get to where we need to go. But you

902
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:42,719
Speaker 1: actually need gas for that transition period. And isn't that

903
00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:45,600
Speaker 1: better than having coal five power stations you know on

904
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Speaker 1: the East coast and.

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Speaker 2: The cost of electricity like it's skyrocketing. So we have

906
00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:54,520
Speaker 2: a community service obligation. So Northern Territory government pays considerable

907
00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:56,840
Speaker 2: amounts to keep the price of the power down in

908
00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:59,560
Speaker 2: the Northern Territory. So when everybody's else was going up

909
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:02,840
Speaker 2: eighteen twelve percent, we kept ours at two point seven percent.

910
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:05,800
Speaker 2: We capped it so it was under inflation. So again,

911
00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:08,680
Speaker 2: you know, yes, the East Coast needs gas, that's the

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Speaker 2: bottom line.

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Speaker 5: And you know interesting you say about the solar farms, Katie.

914
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Speaker 2: We've got four solar farms in the territory and none

915
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:20,120
Speaker 2: of them are hooked up. And then we had a reduction.

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Speaker 5: It is named yes, but that well, I mean it's seriously,

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00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:29,040
Speaker 5: it's been there for three years, sitting idle as many

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Speaker 5: of the others, and you know it's it's an indictment

919
00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:35,759
Speaker 5: on the government that you know it. This is for

920
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:39,080
Speaker 5: solar power and it's been sitting idle for three years.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you know there's been a reduction in the

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Speaker 2: solar tariff.

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Speaker 5: We also heard the Chris Bowen this week come out

924
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Speaker 5: and say that he wasn't actually going to be coming

925
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Speaker 5: to the party for the Northern Territory government with the

926
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Speaker 5: in the Beloo there.

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Speaker 2: So it'll be very.

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Speaker 5: Interesting to see what the Chief Minister does in that

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Speaker 5: area because obviously she's in a green elect and you know,

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Speaker 5: her actions don't actually.

931
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Speaker 2: Match her words. There's probably about fifty things just said

932
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Speaker 2: that we could talk about. But the issue around the solo,

933
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Speaker 2: of course, we need to keep our grid stable and

934
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Speaker 2: that's one of the issues that everywhere around the world's

935
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Speaker 2: facing with increases of solar.

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Speaker 1: Are those other solar farms close to being they turned at.

937
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Speaker 2: The commissioning phase, but we have to actually manage the grid.

938
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Speaker 2: You can't have those huge spikes and drops, and so

939
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Speaker 2: there needs to be that firming and that's the work

940
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Speaker 2: that's happening around that. But that's a reality around the

941
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Speaker 2: world around.

942
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Speaker 1: It, and it does kind of show you though as well,

943
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Speaker 1: there is going to need to be some work I'm

944
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:35,880
Speaker 1: assuming to the greed and to make sure that we

945
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Speaker 1: are able to sustain as more and more people are

946
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Speaker 1: going to their solar power.

947
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Speaker 2: Yes, and maybe planning and doing those there's a Darn

948
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Speaker 2: Catherine Electricity System Plan. Have a look online people that

949
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Speaker 2: provides that detail. I've actually got a board meeting right

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Speaker 2: next that's my next meeting with the CEOs of Powerwater,

951
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Speaker 2: Jacana and Teach and.

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Speaker 3: Today well, look, we are going to have to wrap

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Speaker 3: it up. Ladies, thank you so very much fora time.

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Speaker 5: Just before we so, Katie, can I just ask the

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Speaker 5: Education Minister a quick question even I got a message

956
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Speaker 5: this week that said that was I aware all schools

957
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:14,440
Speaker 5: outside of Darwin have not had internet all week. All

958
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Speaker 5: materials are on servers, Lessons are done with largely digital materials,

959
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:21,760
Speaker 5: roles and marked digitally. Teachers are having the hot spot

960
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:24,600
Speaker 5: off their phones. I can tell you, Katie, if this

961
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Speaker 5: was dar in the middle of Darwin Middle and Darwin High,

962
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:29,520
Speaker 5: that would have absolutely been addressed straight.

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Speaker 2: It's been a week. That's just that. First of all,

964
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Speaker 2: it was around an internet outage, which isn't was an

965
00:47:37,160 --> 00:47:41,640
Speaker 2: empty government. It was one of the providers and so

966
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Speaker 2: there was a part that had failed and that part

967
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:46,520
Speaker 2: was getting flown in and my understanding was by five

968
00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:48,000
Speaker 2: o'clock last night it would be fixed.

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Speaker 1: It was.

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Speaker 2: It was some of Catherine Schools and the school surrounding Katherine,

971
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:57,080
Speaker 2: and they had had the internet down for a number

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Speaker 2: of days. But as I said, that wasn't a Northern

973
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Speaker 2: Territory Mini Sue. It was the provider and as I said,

974
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Speaker 2: that was being repaired as quickly as possible. But that's

975
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Speaker 2: one of the realities around technology that things fail at

976
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Speaker 2: times and you have to get spare parts from interstate.

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Speaker 1: So we have run out of time. We're going to

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Speaker 1: have to head across to the National News. Joe Hersey,

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Speaker 1: the Member for Catherine, thank you for joining us the

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Speaker 1: same Monday.

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Speaker 5: Katie, and thanks listeners and I'll see you back in

982
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Speaker 5: Katherine on Sunday at the Pop Rocket Cafe.

983
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Speaker 3: Oh good stuff.

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Speaker 1: And nine News Darwin's Kathleen Gazola, thank you everyone, and

985
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Speaker 1: Eva Lula the Treasurer, a Minister for Education, Transport, Infrastructure.

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Speaker 1: I can't remember all the others, but there's a big list.

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Speaker 3: As long as you're armed.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Katie, thank you. Are you m seeing the

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Speaker 2: Sports war Ye see you on Saturday night.

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Speaker 3: It'll be fantastic fifty years fifty years.

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Speaker 4: Yes.

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Speaker 5: I just want to give a shout out to Donna

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Speaker 5: Capes and Nicki Sinclair who are at the Sports Awards.

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Speaker 2: Nicki and the.

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Speaker 5: Masters and as the as a as a volunteer, and

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Speaker 5: I'll be there cheering them.

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Speaker 2: As fantastic nice a special category of Pioneer Award.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so wonderful stuff. Well, thank you all so much

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Speaker 3: for your time.