1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:03,320 Speaker 1: All right, cheeky ones, a heads up. Saucy Secrets is 2 00:00:03,360 --> 00:00:04,200 Speaker 1: about to start. 3 00:00:04,519 --> 00:00:04,840 Speaker 2: Now. 4 00:00:04,960 --> 00:00:07,960 Speaker 1: This isn't your average radio chat. It has adult themes 5 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:12,719 Speaker 1: and some sexual references. We're diving into real confessions, spicy fantasies, 6 00:00:12,840 --> 00:00:16,959 Speaker 1: and some real jaw dropping stories. So if you're easily shocked, 7 00:00:17,160 --> 00:00:20,040 Speaker 1: maybe go find a gardening show. But if you're ready 8 00:00:20,079 --> 00:00:23,640 Speaker 1: for some fun, a little scandal and absolutely no judgment, 9 00:00:23,760 --> 00:00:29,000 Speaker 1: you're in the right safe place. Real people, real confessions. 10 00:00:29,240 --> 00:00:32,559 Speaker 3: It's Saucy Secrets. I'm Kiss Saucy. 11 00:00:33,479 --> 00:00:37,120 Speaker 1: Welcome back to Saucy Secrets, I'm dating and sex columnists 12 00:00:37,200 --> 00:00:41,519 Speaker 1: Joanna Howking and I am joined by MC the radio extraordinary. 13 00:00:41,560 --> 00:00:44,640 Speaker 2: Not just any sex and dating columnists, the best of 14 00:00:44,720 --> 00:00:46,320 Speaker 2: the best, the cream of the crop. 15 00:00:46,680 --> 00:00:47,840 Speaker 3: Well, they just have no filter. 16 00:00:48,040 --> 00:00:49,720 Speaker 2: That's also true. You're just the one that's willing to 17 00:00:49,720 --> 00:00:52,600 Speaker 2: talk about the stuff that the others watch. That's why 18 00:00:52,640 --> 00:00:53,320 Speaker 2: you're here. 19 00:00:53,440 --> 00:00:55,680 Speaker 1: I always know I'm onto the money. When my brother 20 00:00:55,800 --> 00:00:58,760 Speaker 1: and my mum refuses to read whatever I'm talking about, 21 00:00:58,960 --> 00:01:01,560 Speaker 1: they won't listen to this pot. 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You know those annoying videos who 57 00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:33,240 Speaker 1: jump on Instagram and. 58 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:34,600 Speaker 2: Way freight me alone. 59 00:02:35,840 --> 00:02:37,640 Speaker 1: I was that girl and I was like, go a 60 00:02:37,680 --> 00:02:40,600 Speaker 1: little bit. I did go on Instagram. On Monday, I 61 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:45,320 Speaker 1: had had the Sunday SATs. Now, for people who aren't single, 62 00:02:46,160 --> 00:02:49,680 Speaker 1: you won't know that. For single people, Sundays are the 63 00:02:49,919 --> 00:02:53,440 Speaker 1: worst Sunday because it's when you couples do all the 64 00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:56,360 Speaker 1: romantic nize things. So you know, you might wake up 65 00:02:56,360 --> 00:02:59,560 Speaker 1: a little bit hungover. You want to go like sleep in, 66 00:02:59,760 --> 00:03:02,320 Speaker 1: maybe you have some morning sex, wake up, get a 67 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:05,240 Speaker 1: greasy breakfast, go look at an art gallery, or go 68 00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:08,520 Speaker 1: watch the football or whatever. Together you never feel so 69 00:03:08,680 --> 00:03:11,240 Speaker 1: single as you do on a Sunday when you can't 70 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:13,080 Speaker 1: do all that cute stuff with someone, and if you 71 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:15,959 Speaker 1: dare venture out, you're going to see all those couples 72 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:19,560 Speaker 1: and it's actually going to make you feel worse. Yeah. 73 00:03:19,600 --> 00:03:23,520 Speaker 1: So I was spiraling this last Sunday, really in the 74 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:27,320 Speaker 1: thick of those emotions, when a guy I've been on 75 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:29,600 Speaker 1: and off with for years sent me a text. And 76 00:03:29,639 --> 00:03:31,760 Speaker 1: I've just moved to a new part of town, so 77 00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:33,600 Speaker 1: he was like, I'm going to come out this week. 78 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:36,360 Speaker 1: I'm going to take you for lunch. We'll have a beautiful, 79 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:39,280 Speaker 1: you know day, And I was like, Hurrah, this Sunday 80 00:03:39,320 --> 00:03:41,560 Speaker 1: isn't terrible after all Sunday sad. 81 00:03:41,720 --> 00:03:45,120 Speaker 3: No more Sunday sad Sunday sexes who knows do what. 82 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:48,200 Speaker 1: I am ovulating? So I was really horny at this moment, 83 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:50,520 Speaker 1: which also makes me think that's why I said yes 84 00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:53,080 Speaker 1: to this guy who Ha's never worked with in the past, but. 85 00:03:53,080 --> 00:03:54,120 Speaker 2: I was so happy with him. 86 00:03:54,640 --> 00:03:57,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think you know. I was digmatized, 87 00:03:58,520 --> 00:04:01,040 Speaker 1: So I said, oh my god, yes, I love the 88 00:04:01,040 --> 00:04:03,800 Speaker 1: word dignatized. By the way, just like as soon as 89 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:06,920 Speaker 1: you say it, you get what I mean. So I 90 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:09,480 Speaker 1: was like, okay, yes, this sounds amazing. Of course you 91 00:04:09,520 --> 00:04:13,320 Speaker 1: can take me out for lunch, organize lunch for Thursday. 92 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:16,279 Speaker 1: And then he said the worst thing. Now, let's remember 93 00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:19,400 Speaker 1: this guy is fifty three, so he should know better. 94 00:04:19,440 --> 00:04:22,279 Speaker 2: I have an adult human and at this point adult human. 95 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:25,760 Speaker 1: He said to me, okay, great, really looking forward to it. Now, 96 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:27,839 Speaker 1: if you could just message me on like Monday or 97 00:04:27,839 --> 00:04:32,039 Speaker 1: Tuesday to remind me, that would be great. Back to 98 00:04:32,080 --> 00:04:33,120 Speaker 1: the Sunday sads. 99 00:04:33,440 --> 00:04:35,800 Speaker 2: You've already slipped so far down his priority list. It's 100 00:04:35,800 --> 00:04:37,080 Speaker 2: not funny already. 101 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:39,839 Speaker 1: He's already telling me I'm probably going to forget. I 102 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:44,440 Speaker 1: got so offended, so then I literally said, bro, I'm 103 00:04:44,440 --> 00:04:47,080 Speaker 1: not going out with someone that I have to remind 104 00:04:47,440 --> 00:04:48,320 Speaker 1: to go out with me. 105 00:04:48,960 --> 00:04:50,720 Speaker 2: Damn right, that's down. 106 00:04:51,080 --> 00:04:51,760 Speaker 1: I really did. 107 00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:55,359 Speaker 2: I was a bud a man called boss bitch okay 108 00:04:55,360 --> 00:04:57,800 Speaker 2: for me, Yeah, damn you, boss bitch. 109 00:04:58,640 --> 00:05:00,360 Speaker 1: Thank you so much, because I do. I feel like 110 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:02,039 Speaker 1: that out once. But then I got sad because I 111 00:05:02,080 --> 00:05:04,960 Speaker 1: was like, ah, men are the worst. I'm susickal being single. 112 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:07,360 Speaker 1: So I did get on Instagram on the Monday and 113 00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:10,880 Speaker 1: I just wanted to like remind people for all those 114 00:05:11,080 --> 00:05:15,160 Speaker 1: stupid Instagram videos that is like single life is the best. Yes, 115 00:05:15,320 --> 00:05:17,880 Speaker 1: it's so great being single? Aren't we all fabulous? Who 116 00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:20,400 Speaker 1: needs a boyfriend? Blah blah blah. I wanted to remind 117 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:23,599 Speaker 1: people that it is actually okay to be sad about 118 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:26,800 Speaker 1: being single. You don't have to always be positive about it. 119 00:05:27,320 --> 00:05:29,240 Speaker 1: And so I threw this video out going, you know, 120 00:05:29,279 --> 00:05:32,039 Speaker 1: it actually sometimes really does suck being single, and I 121 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:36,080 Speaker 1: got the most beautiful messages of people saying I feel 122 00:05:36,080 --> 00:05:39,440 Speaker 1: exactly the same. It really does suck. You know. I 123 00:05:39,480 --> 00:05:43,760 Speaker 1: had a shitty Sunday as well, so you know, I 124 00:05:43,839 --> 00:05:46,320 Speaker 1: did marinate in that and I was like, Okay, it's 125 00:05:46,320 --> 00:05:49,320 Speaker 1: okay to be sad, but now I'm in a okay, 126 00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:51,280 Speaker 1: well then let's sort this out mood. So I'm in 127 00:05:51,400 --> 00:05:54,919 Speaker 1: my boss bitch, yah, boss bitch, thank you so much. 128 00:05:55,200 --> 00:05:59,680 Speaker 1: So I've invited Margarete and Nazarenko onto the podcast this week. 129 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:05,799 Speaker 1: So brilliant. So she's one of TikTok's most talked about 130 00:06:05,880 --> 00:06:10,159 Speaker 1: voices on dating and relationships. She's known for her brutally 131 00:06:10,279 --> 00:06:13,840 Speaker 1: honest takes that make women cheer and men's squirm. And 132 00:06:13,880 --> 00:06:17,160 Speaker 1: we're lucky enough to have Margarita Nazararenko, who has the 133 00:06:17,200 --> 00:06:21,640 Speaker 1: world's best name, here to unpack why her unapologetic truth 134 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:25,839 Speaker 1: bombs keep going viral. I'm obsessed with you. Welcome Margerita, 135 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:26,159 Speaker 1: Thank you. 136 00:06:26,200 --> 00:06:27,039 Speaker 3: I'm obsessed with you. 137 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:30,480 Speaker 1: So I've got a million questions to ask you. Sure, 138 00:06:30,560 --> 00:06:33,840 Speaker 1: perhaps answer them, but the first one is okay. So 139 00:06:33,880 --> 00:06:38,839 Speaker 1: you've got this black cat Golden Retriever theory. My therapist 140 00:06:38,920 --> 00:06:42,040 Speaker 1: the other day said that I'm a golden Retriever, which 141 00:06:42,080 --> 00:06:44,039 Speaker 1: I don't want to be, So can you explain to 142 00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:46,839 Speaker 1: us what the theory is and how I can become 143 00:06:46,880 --> 00:06:47,480 Speaker 1: a black cat? 144 00:06:48,040 --> 00:06:51,760 Speaker 3: So the theory originated on TikTok. It just happens. It's 145 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:54,480 Speaker 3: like a mushroom that suddenly grows and everyone just resonates 146 00:06:54,520 --> 00:06:56,039 Speaker 3: with it and it takes on life of its own. 147 00:06:56,080 --> 00:06:58,520 Speaker 3: It started off with somebody talking about friendships in that 148 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:00,800 Speaker 3: way where a golden Retriever is the happy one and 149 00:07:00,839 --> 00:07:03,719 Speaker 3: the black cat is reserved and cool. And I think 150 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:07,200 Speaker 3: where it comes to men and women and where I 151 00:07:07,320 --> 00:07:09,960 Speaker 3: talk about it is that women thrive in the position 152 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:12,320 Speaker 3: of a black cat. Women feel good when they're loved 153 00:07:12,320 --> 00:07:14,920 Speaker 3: and admired when a woman is chasing a man. She 154 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:17,400 Speaker 3: feels a bit shit about herself. I've never been to 155 00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:19,360 Speaker 3: a wedding where a woman goes, oh, do you know what? 156 00:07:19,400 --> 00:07:22,000 Speaker 3: I chased him down, he wasn't sure about me, and 157 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:24,920 Speaker 3: now you know I want him over or I impressed him. 158 00:07:24,920 --> 00:07:26,760 Speaker 3: But men are quite proud of that story when they 159 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:30,320 Speaker 3: talk about women that they kind of proved their affection 160 00:07:30,480 --> 00:07:32,560 Speaker 3: for and then she changed her mind, they see that 161 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:35,040 Speaker 3: as a win. So the golden retriever energy, kind of 162 00:07:35,040 --> 00:07:37,400 Speaker 3: the chasing energy suits a man in terms of a 163 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:39,480 Speaker 3: relationship because he's feeling like he won something. 164 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:42,480 Speaker 1: Now, in your podcast a lot, you talk about high 165 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:46,200 Speaker 1: value women. What is a high value woman and how 166 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:46,960 Speaker 1: do I become one? 167 00:07:47,080 --> 00:07:49,200 Speaker 3: Oh? You are, don't worry. But the thing is, I 168 00:07:49,280 --> 00:07:52,200 Speaker 3: take viral terms that exist on the internet and I 169 00:07:52,240 --> 00:07:54,360 Speaker 3: talk about them from an angle that is actually helpful. 170 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:57,160 Speaker 3: High value women as this whole like Andrew Tates scenario, 171 00:07:57,280 --> 00:07:59,160 Speaker 3: you know, what do you bring to the table, And 172 00:07:59,200 --> 00:08:01,720 Speaker 3: the answer for woman is nothing, because if you are 173 00:08:02,480 --> 00:08:04,480 Speaker 3: bargaining with what you bring to the table, that means 174 00:08:04,520 --> 00:08:07,080 Speaker 3: you don't have intrinsic feminine energy, which is the energy 175 00:08:07,080 --> 00:08:11,360 Speaker 3: of being yourself, being kind, being funny, being relaxed, and 176 00:08:11,400 --> 00:08:13,880 Speaker 3: masculine energy is everything that you are doing or what 177 00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:16,880 Speaker 3: you are becoming, because essentially, I heard a scientist say, 178 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:20,280 Speaker 3: we're all born as women in the womb essentially, and 179 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:23,480 Speaker 3: you become a man, you don't become feminine. You are 180 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:25,600 Speaker 3: already feminine. That's why boys insult each other with you're 181 00:08:25,600 --> 00:08:29,160 Speaker 3: such a girl. It's not just societal, it's because to 182 00:08:29,240 --> 00:08:33,000 Speaker 3: become masculine you have to become brave, become strong. No, 183 00:08:33,080 --> 00:08:36,360 Speaker 3: little boy is brave and strong. Yeah, we're all feminine. 184 00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:40,320 Speaker 3: Traits are intrinsically ours, and masculinity is developed. 185 00:08:40,960 --> 00:08:44,520 Speaker 1: So if someone is worried that they're in musculine masculine 186 00:08:44,600 --> 00:08:46,800 Speaker 1: energy too much and they want to sit in there 187 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:50,640 Speaker 1: feminine in when they go on dates, because I struggle. 188 00:08:50,920 --> 00:08:53,400 Speaker 1: I still go on dates. I take over the chat. 189 00:08:54,120 --> 00:08:56,679 Speaker 1: I you know, I will happily go to the bar 190 00:08:56,720 --> 00:08:58,040 Speaker 1: and pay for our drinks. 191 00:08:57,840 --> 00:08:59,920 Speaker 3: And well, it's just the art of flirting, is it 192 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:02,880 Speaker 3: is an art form? Yeah, And to flirt with someone 193 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:05,160 Speaker 3: and be feminine, that's the one thing men don't have. 194 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:08,160 Speaker 3: They're not intrinsically feminine, so for them to see someone feminine, 195 00:09:08,280 --> 00:09:11,200 Speaker 3: someone relaxed, someone who's really easy to be with but 196 00:09:11,280 --> 00:09:14,160 Speaker 3: hard to get. That's the paradigm. Not hard to get 197 00:09:14,200 --> 00:09:16,520 Speaker 3: as in like she's running away for no reason, but 198 00:09:16,640 --> 00:09:19,960 Speaker 3: as in like she's busy, she's got her own life. 199 00:09:19,960 --> 00:09:21,880 Speaker 3: She's hard to get, but she's easy to be with. 200 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:24,559 Speaker 3: Because women these days are very easy to get. Yet 201 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:27,200 Speaker 3: what time we're meeting? Sorry? Yeah, are you here at five? 202 00:09:27,240 --> 00:09:28,960 Speaker 3: You know, they're very like on it. And then if 203 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:31,400 Speaker 3: he doesn't perform in the way she wants in any paradigm, 204 00:09:31,800 --> 00:09:34,280 Speaker 3: she's upset about it. She's really hard to be with 205 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:35,440 Speaker 3: and it's not enjoyable. 206 00:09:35,760 --> 00:09:37,440 Speaker 1: But then are we playing games? 207 00:09:38,040 --> 00:09:40,960 Speaker 3: Like if games? Again? 208 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:42,720 Speaker 1: That's what I wanted to ask you, because I can't 209 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:45,360 Speaker 1: decide because we're told so much on the tiktoks and 210 00:09:45,480 --> 00:09:48,800 Speaker 1: the instagrams and everything, like don't play play games? 211 00:09:48,880 --> 00:09:53,360 Speaker 3: Be authentically yourself? What is authentically yourself a series of 212 00:09:53,360 --> 00:09:56,000 Speaker 3: reactions you've had from ways that you've learnt to be 213 00:09:56,000 --> 00:09:57,800 Speaker 3: because of the way you were parented, or because of 214 00:09:57,800 --> 00:10:01,120 Speaker 3: the way you interacted with people, of algorithms that you've 215 00:10:01,160 --> 00:10:03,880 Speaker 3: seen work. A lot of things that I talk about 216 00:10:03,920 --> 00:10:07,319 Speaker 3: is anxious attachment versus avoidant attachment versus secure Some of 217 00:10:07,360 --> 00:10:09,800 Speaker 3: us who got parented well and had a nice life 218 00:10:09,920 --> 00:10:12,000 Speaker 3: are securely attached. We know how to interact with people. 219 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:14,680 Speaker 3: To them, be yourself as good advice. Yeah, be yourself 220 00:10:14,760 --> 00:10:16,840 Speaker 3: is like, yeah, you're a great person. Just be yourself. 221 00:10:17,160 --> 00:10:20,040 Speaker 3: To someone who's anxious and bombards people with texts and 222 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:23,320 Speaker 3: doesn't know how to and they're all, you know, flinching 223 00:10:23,320 --> 00:10:26,040 Speaker 3: and glitch, be yourself is probably a disaster to them. 224 00:10:26,440 --> 00:10:29,199 Speaker 3: A good idea would be relaxed. So don't be yourself. 225 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:31,880 Speaker 3: See what happens if you don't initiate another text. 226 00:10:32,080 --> 00:10:35,319 Speaker 1: So it's not even playing games, it's sitting in the 227 00:10:35,559 --> 00:10:39,520 Speaker 1: discomfort to make it any discomfort of who would I 228 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:43,120 Speaker 1: be if I was comfortable with silence? Okay, I want 229 00:10:43,160 --> 00:10:45,840 Speaker 1: your own advice on a dating thing that happened to 230 00:10:45,920 --> 00:10:46,600 Speaker 1: me last week. 231 00:10:46,640 --> 00:10:47,760 Speaker 3: We really upset me. 232 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:51,920 Speaker 1: So this guy had been I've dated him on and 233 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:53,880 Speaker 1: off for years and he's a peeda pan so he 234 00:10:53,920 --> 00:10:57,280 Speaker 1: will never grow up. He's fifty three and he kept like, 235 00:10:57,320 --> 00:10:59,319 Speaker 1: you know, I've moved to Palm Beach. So he said, oh, 236 00:10:59,320 --> 00:10:59,960 Speaker 1: come to Palm Beach. 237 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:01,079 Speaker 3: I'll take you out for lunch. 238 00:11:01,200 --> 00:11:02,960 Speaker 1: We can have like beautiful lunch, we'll go for a swim, 239 00:11:03,040 --> 00:11:05,680 Speaker 1: We'll be lovely. I said, perfect, and then he said 240 00:11:05,679 --> 00:11:08,400 Speaker 1: this thing, which ruined it. So he said we'd organized 241 00:11:08,400 --> 00:11:11,120 Speaker 1: to meet on the Thursday for lunch. And so he said, oh, 242 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:14,240 Speaker 1: can you just text me Monday or Tuesday to remind me. 243 00:11:14,640 --> 00:11:17,120 Speaker 1: I was like, you invited me on the date. 244 00:11:17,280 --> 00:11:18,520 Speaker 3: I actually have goose bums. 245 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:22,680 Speaker 1: Right, this man is fifty three, very capable in the 246 00:11:22,720 --> 00:11:23,560 Speaker 1: business world. 247 00:11:23,720 --> 00:11:25,000 Speaker 3: What did you do? Is the question. 248 00:11:25,240 --> 00:11:27,000 Speaker 1: I think you'll be proud of me. So I sent 249 00:11:27,120 --> 00:11:30,240 Speaker 1: him a message and said, I said, bro, though, which 250 00:11:30,280 --> 00:11:32,160 Speaker 1: is sitting in my masculine so I regret that, but 251 00:11:32,200 --> 00:11:34,640 Speaker 1: I said, bro, I don't go out with men who 252 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:37,160 Speaker 1: I have to remind to hang out with me. And 253 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:39,560 Speaker 1: then he said, I'll put it in my diary. Like 254 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:41,680 Speaker 1: he backtracked and was like, babab babe, I'll put in 255 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:42,959 Speaker 1: my day and make sure it happened. 256 00:11:43,280 --> 00:11:45,760 Speaker 3: It didn't happen. It didn't happen, And I didn't remind 257 00:11:45,840 --> 00:11:48,199 Speaker 3: him because it's level zero. Let's call it level five 258 00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:51,560 Speaker 3: and level ten of unbothered feminine energy. Okay, so level 259 00:11:51,640 --> 00:11:54,000 Speaker 3: zero would be why would you tell me to do? 260 00:11:54,640 --> 00:11:56,559 Speaker 3: You know, all of this kind of like crying, sulking, 261 00:11:56,640 --> 00:11:59,200 Speaker 3: or reminding him being like, hi, reminding you to book 262 00:11:59,240 --> 00:12:02,400 Speaker 3: our date? That'd be you did five, which is good, Okay, good, 263 00:12:02,400 --> 00:12:04,679 Speaker 3: you said I don't book dates and I don't. You've 264 00:12:04,720 --> 00:12:07,320 Speaker 3: set a boundary, great, fantastic, Okay. What you should have 265 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:10,559 Speaker 3: done is not replied and forgot to remind. 266 00:12:10,360 --> 00:12:12,360 Speaker 1: Him, not reply at all when. 267 00:12:12,160 --> 00:12:15,319 Speaker 3: He said no. And then when he says to you, oh, 268 00:12:15,400 --> 00:12:18,720 Speaker 3: we were supposed to go up, you go, well, we oh. 269 00:12:18,760 --> 00:12:20,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, because he messaged me this week. 270 00:12:23,080 --> 00:12:25,800 Speaker 3: That's the true essence of what would because you're still 271 00:12:25,800 --> 00:12:28,000 Speaker 3: controlling the situation. You're telling him how to act, what 272 00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:31,200 Speaker 3: to do, teach him by your actions that I'm not 273 00:12:31,280 --> 00:12:31,880 Speaker 3: the reminder. 274 00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:38,760 Speaker 1: So here's a few scenarios which I've personally found myself in, 275 00:12:39,040 --> 00:12:39,560 Speaker 1: and I think. 276 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:41,040 Speaker 3: A lot of our listeners have as well. 277 00:12:41,080 --> 00:12:44,240 Speaker 1: This is just my free therapy session. I wanted to 278 00:12:44,240 --> 00:12:47,760 Speaker 1: find out green flag or red flag so he won't 279 00:12:47,760 --> 00:12:51,080 Speaker 1: share his location settings with you, so like, you know, 280 00:12:51,200 --> 00:12:53,720 Speaker 1: like find my friend, how how long is the relationship? 281 00:12:55,160 --> 00:12:55,800 Speaker 1: Six months? 282 00:12:56,600 --> 00:12:57,200 Speaker 3: Green flag? 283 00:12:57,840 --> 00:12:59,040 Speaker 1: That he won't share them with you? 284 00:12:59,200 --> 00:13:00,360 Speaker 3: Why are you asking him? 285 00:13:00,440 --> 00:13:02,680 Speaker 1: Because I want to know where he is at all time? 286 00:13:02,720 --> 00:13:04,000 Speaker 3: Bothering him, aren't you? 287 00:13:04,200 --> 00:13:07,120 Speaker 1: Oh gross, I was just mothering him. Okay, you're so right. 288 00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:09,920 Speaker 3: Okay, he shouldn't even thinking about his location. Who is he? 289 00:13:09,920 --> 00:13:15,040 Speaker 2: He's already it's not going at all, Keep going. 290 00:13:15,160 --> 00:13:18,040 Speaker 1: Okay. He has a lot of girlfriends. 291 00:13:18,720 --> 00:13:19,640 Speaker 3: What kind of girlfriends? 292 00:13:20,160 --> 00:13:20,240 Speaker 2: Like? 293 00:13:20,480 --> 00:13:22,679 Speaker 1: He's always texting. 294 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:24,920 Speaker 3: Them, texting them? Yeah, read flag? Why have you got 295 00:13:24,960 --> 00:13:26,520 Speaker 3: time for girlfriends? Get another job? 296 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:28,319 Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's so brutal. 297 00:13:28,920 --> 00:13:32,480 Speaker 3: Listen, women believe in male female friendships. You believe that 298 00:13:32,520 --> 00:13:35,960 Speaker 3: men are your friends. You're also very attractive, so you 299 00:13:36,080 --> 00:13:39,120 Speaker 3: might be believing a unicorn that doesn't exist. Men can 300 00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:41,680 Speaker 3: be friends with women if it's for a work reason, 301 00:13:41,840 --> 00:13:43,679 Speaker 3: or for a project, or for things like that. I'm 302 00:13:43,679 --> 00:13:45,760 Speaker 3: not saying that they're never friends with women. It cannot 303 00:13:45,760 --> 00:13:48,200 Speaker 3: be possible. But usually if he's sitting there with you 304 00:13:48,280 --> 00:13:49,199 Speaker 3: texting a goal. 305 00:13:49,480 --> 00:13:51,480 Speaker 1: If the opportunity came up to shag them. 306 00:13:51,360 --> 00:13:54,280 Speaker 3: He yes, why, absolutely, wow? Absolutely? 307 00:13:54,440 --> 00:13:57,520 Speaker 1: Okay. He only wants to see you on weekends. 308 00:13:58,120 --> 00:14:02,760 Speaker 3: What's his job finance? Broh, No, because he's going out 309 00:14:02,800 --> 00:14:05,920 Speaker 3: drinking at night. If someone's late for you but on 310 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:10,000 Speaker 3: time everywhere else, that's a red flag. Men don't change 311 00:14:10,400 --> 00:14:12,079 Speaker 3: you know when when you meet them and they're like, oh, 312 00:14:12,080 --> 00:14:13,640 Speaker 3: I'm just you know, in the hustle right now. You know, 313 00:14:13,679 --> 00:14:15,240 Speaker 3: I can't do much, I can't see much. That's gonna 314 00:14:15,240 --> 00:14:16,880 Speaker 3: be him forever. You're gonna be there with the kids 315 00:14:16,920 --> 00:14:18,720 Speaker 3: and he's I can't do much, I can't see you much. 316 00:14:18,880 --> 00:14:21,560 Speaker 3: It changes how they act that way. Yeah, but if 317 00:14:21,560 --> 00:14:23,960 Speaker 3: he's not serious and he's out with his bros. He'll 318 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:25,600 Speaker 3: be at the pub with his friends when he's eight 319 00:14:25,680 --> 00:14:26,320 Speaker 3: sixty as. 320 00:14:26,160 --> 00:14:29,440 Speaker 1: Well, he wants the second date at his house. The 321 00:14:29,480 --> 00:14:31,360 Speaker 1: amount of men that have said to me, Oh, I'm 322 00:14:31,400 --> 00:14:33,440 Speaker 1: a really good cook, come to my house. I'll cook 323 00:14:33,480 --> 00:14:36,120 Speaker 1: you dinner. What do you think I'm gonna die? 324 00:14:36,200 --> 00:14:37,920 Speaker 3: I don't want to eat ly, I don't care. Why 325 00:14:37,960 --> 00:14:39,560 Speaker 3: am I going to your house? I don't like sitting 326 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:41,800 Speaker 3: at home. They just want to shag day. Yeah, no 327 00:14:41,880 --> 00:14:45,920 Speaker 3: red flag? Okay, good, I fell fly. It's fine. It's fine. 328 00:14:45,920 --> 00:14:48,000 Speaker 3: I mean he's trying. You're sexy, It's okay. 329 00:14:48,600 --> 00:14:51,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true, isn't it? Because I always say, at 330 00:14:51,440 --> 00:14:53,640 Speaker 1: least be like, if a guy hits you up for 331 00:14:53,680 --> 00:14:56,440 Speaker 1: sex on the first day, I'd be more offended if 332 00:14:56,440 --> 00:15:00,880 Speaker 1: they didn't. Yeah, Okay, he still follows his ex on Instagram. 333 00:15:00,960 --> 00:15:03,040 Speaker 3: He shouldn't have Instagram. What's he doing that unless it's 334 00:15:03,040 --> 00:15:06,080 Speaker 3: for work? Yeah, unless you have to post for work, 335 00:15:06,160 --> 00:15:08,960 Speaker 3: unless you've got like a renovation company and you're posting 336 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:14,240 Speaker 3: on their radio station. You're a cintem photographer. Why is 337 00:15:14,240 --> 00:15:17,680 Speaker 3: he following people? What's he doing again? Get another job. 338 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:20,760 Speaker 3: Any guy who wants to date and is like, doesn't 339 00:15:20,760 --> 00:15:22,000 Speaker 3: know how to be attractive, just say you're not on 340 00:15:22,040 --> 00:15:24,760 Speaker 3: social media. She'll be like, you are not what social 341 00:15:24,760 --> 00:15:26,360 Speaker 3: media is for the girls in the gate so hot. 342 00:15:26,680 --> 00:15:29,760 Speaker 1: It's for the girls and the gates. You're changing it, like, 343 00:15:29,800 --> 00:15:31,560 Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to get rid of my whole roster, 344 00:15:32,760 --> 00:15:36,200 Speaker 1: and then the ones who take a selfie. Okay, Final one. 345 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:38,920 Speaker 1: He's great in bed, but terrible at texting. 346 00:15:39,720 --> 00:15:43,080 Speaker 3: Green flag? Why why is he texting again? No, I'm kidding, 347 00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:47,240 Speaker 3: but honestly, like some men are women see his lack 348 00:15:47,360 --> 00:15:52,640 Speaker 3: of verbal fluency compliments texting. Let me tell you like this, 349 00:15:52,720 --> 00:15:54,120 Speaker 3: when people are like, I'll just text your husband and 350 00:15:54,120 --> 00:15:56,040 Speaker 3: ask him, like, you'll get a reply in two business 351 00:15:56,120 --> 00:16:00,520 Speaker 3: days from me, from everyone from the president. He's just 352 00:16:00,600 --> 00:16:03,160 Speaker 3: not on his phone, so it doesn't matter. 353 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:06,200 Speaker 1: Oh my god, because this same guy that I was 354 00:16:06,240 --> 00:16:09,600 Speaker 1: seeing last year. You're answering so many questions, but I 355 00:16:09,640 --> 00:16:12,120 Speaker 1: would unravel because he would take eight hours and he 356 00:16:12,160 --> 00:16:14,600 Speaker 1: would put his phone on Do not Disturb, which would 357 00:16:14,680 --> 00:16:18,600 Speaker 1: drive me insane. And I took it so personally until 358 00:16:18,640 --> 00:16:20,560 Speaker 1: like a year later when I got to know him 359 00:16:20,600 --> 00:16:23,400 Speaker 1: away from trying to date him, and he's who he 360 00:16:23,480 --> 00:16:25,920 Speaker 1: is does do that to everyone, and I had like, 361 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:27,520 Speaker 1: I had called it off with him because I'm like, 362 00:16:27,520 --> 00:16:29,800 Speaker 1: this is so rude. Why doesn't he answer back to me? 363 00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:33,040 Speaker 1: And now I'm looking back, going, oh that is so 364 00:16:33,280 --> 00:16:37,280 Speaker 1: you can. I was gonna say manipulate, wrong word, motivate. 365 00:16:37,480 --> 00:16:39,640 Speaker 1: A difference is to say I love it when you 366 00:16:39,680 --> 00:16:42,200 Speaker 1: text me every day. Let's say, hen't you haven't heard 367 00:16:42,200 --> 00:16:44,200 Speaker 1: from him? The worst thing you can do if you 368 00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:47,160 Speaker 1: still want him to want you is wow, okay, call 369 00:16:47,240 --> 00:16:48,920 Speaker 1: me back. Finally pass. 370 00:16:49,640 --> 00:16:51,280 Speaker 3: Now you go, Oh my god, it's so good to 371 00:16:51,320 --> 00:16:53,040 Speaker 3: hear from you. I'm so excited. I know it hurts 372 00:16:53,040 --> 00:16:56,000 Speaker 3: inside to do it because you're like, how dare you? Yeah? 373 00:16:56,040 --> 00:16:59,080 Speaker 3: But watch he'll change. Another one is women have a 374 00:16:59,080 --> 00:17:01,000 Speaker 3: problem with you're sitting in a restaurant and he's looking 375 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:01,800 Speaker 3: at attractive women. 376 00:17:02,400 --> 00:17:06,000 Speaker 1: Okay, they call it red Ferrari syndrome. So yes, I've 377 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:09,080 Speaker 1: written about this before. Where it's because this is how 378 00:17:09,160 --> 00:17:12,680 Speaker 1: guys get out of it, they say, because I caught 379 00:17:12,680 --> 00:17:14,840 Speaker 1: a guy out once on a date. Every hot girl, 380 00:17:14,960 --> 00:17:17,800 Speaker 1: he literally he didn't just you know, do that subtle look. 381 00:17:17,840 --> 00:17:21,040 Speaker 1: He would move his whole body to look at these 382 00:17:21,040 --> 00:17:23,880 Speaker 1: girls and was driving me insane. And then someone said 383 00:17:23,880 --> 00:17:26,560 Speaker 1: to me, no, it's red Ferrari zone where you know, 384 00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:29,560 Speaker 1: I don't want to red Ferrari, but if one drives 385 00:17:29,600 --> 00:17:31,440 Speaker 1: past me on the street, I'm going to go, oh, 386 00:17:31,680 --> 00:17:35,679 Speaker 1: red Ferrari. And that's how I think people get around it. 387 00:17:35,760 --> 00:17:36,919 Speaker 1: But what's your take on it? 388 00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:39,680 Speaker 3: I think it matters if he's completely swerving, that's disrespect 389 00:17:39,680 --> 00:17:42,840 Speaker 3: to you, right, It's just anyone can control themselves. You've 390 00:17:42,840 --> 00:17:43,800 Speaker 3: got such lack of control. 391 00:17:43,800 --> 00:17:44,840 Speaker 2: I don't mean effort to look. 392 00:17:44,960 --> 00:17:48,119 Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, then and he's either trying to insult you 393 00:17:48,240 --> 00:17:50,000 Speaker 3: or trying to put you down, or he doesn't care 394 00:17:50,040 --> 00:17:51,879 Speaker 3: about you that much that it doesn't matter. But if 395 00:17:51,920 --> 00:17:54,600 Speaker 3: you're with the guy and he just like this, come on, 396 00:17:54,680 --> 00:17:57,120 Speaker 3: I look at women who are in bright colors or bodies, 397 00:17:57,160 --> 00:18:00,200 Speaker 3: et cetera. The worst thing you can do is why 398 00:18:00,200 --> 00:18:02,120 Speaker 3: did you just look at her? It just creates such 399 00:18:02,119 --> 00:18:04,640 Speaker 3: a bad scenario, and then it creates competition. It means 400 00:18:04,640 --> 00:18:07,120 Speaker 3: to him that you're competing with her. That means you 401 00:18:07,480 --> 00:18:10,000 Speaker 3: think that she's got something that you don't. And men 402 00:18:10,080 --> 00:18:13,560 Speaker 3: kind of buy into marketing. I suppose if he sees 403 00:18:13,640 --> 00:18:16,640 Speaker 3: you and you're just engaged, you're talking, you're laughing, he's 404 00:18:16,680 --> 00:18:18,840 Speaker 3: looked at her. You haven't even noticed. He's like, oh 405 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:21,240 Speaker 3: my god, what is going on here? She's not bothered 406 00:18:21,280 --> 00:18:25,080 Speaker 3: about that. I've learned so much. Can we please get 407 00:18:25,080 --> 00:18:25,920 Speaker 3: you on a guess? 408 00:18:26,320 --> 00:18:28,960 Speaker 1: I think we should put a call out for listeners 409 00:18:28,960 --> 00:18:31,040 Speaker 1: to send in their questions and we need to get 410 00:18:31,040 --> 00:18:32,239 Speaker 1: you back and just do it. 411 00:18:32,440 --> 00:18:34,119 Speaker 3: Open the hotline. 412 00:18:33,640 --> 00:18:36,119 Speaker 2: If you need more Margarita in your life. The podcast 413 00:18:36,160 --> 00:18:39,000 Speaker 2: it's called Being Her, and the book The New Rules. 414 00:18:39,119 --> 00:18:41,439 Speaker 2: Margarita Nazarenko, thank you so much for joining us on 415 00:18:41,480 --> 00:18:42,280 Speaker 2: Saucy Secrets. 416 00:18:44,240 --> 00:18:48,320 Speaker 1: We didn't plan to discuss what we're about to discuss, boy, 417 00:18:48,359 --> 00:18:52,080 Speaker 1: but as Margarite and Nazarenko said, you know, we do 418 00:18:52,200 --> 00:18:55,439 Speaker 1: need to sit in our feminine energy. But in the break, 419 00:18:55,560 --> 00:18:56,280 Speaker 1: I let off. 420 00:18:56,160 --> 00:18:57,600 Speaker 3: A giant burp. 421 00:18:58,160 --> 00:18:58,840 Speaker 2: That's true. 422 00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:02,359 Speaker 1: And that set off a big debate, and I scolded 423 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:06,399 Speaker 1: myself because it wasn't very feminine energy of me. And 424 00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:07,600 Speaker 1: then it's with somehow. 425 00:19:07,880 --> 00:19:09,600 Speaker 2: I said, next week, are you gonna fart? 426 00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:10,320 Speaker 1: Oh? Yes? 427 00:19:10,520 --> 00:19:11,720 Speaker 2: And you said, I don't far. 428 00:19:12,040 --> 00:19:14,399 Speaker 1: Girls don't fight. We're like Barbie doors. We have nothing 429 00:19:14,440 --> 00:19:17,719 Speaker 1: done there. Yeah, And it brought up the topic of 430 00:19:18,160 --> 00:19:21,480 Speaker 1: fighting in front of your partner. I was disgusted to 431 00:19:21,560 --> 00:19:24,800 Speaker 1: find out that you happily not only do you fight 432 00:19:24,840 --> 00:19:27,080 Speaker 1: in front of your partner, you take a shit in 433 00:19:27,080 --> 00:19:27,399 Speaker 1: front of you. 434 00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:30,280 Speaker 2: I do, and I've done it for a long time 435 00:19:30,320 --> 00:19:32,560 Speaker 2: as well. Like I will sit there with the door 436 00:19:32,600 --> 00:19:35,720 Speaker 2: open and do it. Why is everyone shaking their heads 437 00:19:35,760 --> 00:19:35,960 Speaker 2: at me? 438 00:19:36,240 --> 00:19:41,320 Speaker 1: Because it's disgusting like this, Like if I can smell 439 00:19:41,560 --> 00:19:44,480 Speaker 1: poop particles, I don't want to have sex with that person. 440 00:19:45,119 --> 00:19:48,520 Speaker 2: I'll like, I will sit on the toilet with the 441 00:19:48,560 --> 00:19:50,439 Speaker 2: door open, do what I need to do. And if 442 00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:52,120 Speaker 2: I need to ask my wife a question, I say, 443 00:19:52,119 --> 00:19:53,680 Speaker 2: come here, I need to come here. I need to 444 00:19:53,720 --> 00:19:56,359 Speaker 2: ask you something, or if she's getting ready in the 445 00:19:56,359 --> 00:19:58,399 Speaker 2: shower for something, and you like, when you've got to go, 446 00:19:58,480 --> 00:20:00,919 Speaker 2: you've got to go. When nature calls, I'll just go 447 00:20:01,119 --> 00:20:03,919 Speaker 2: for it. I mean, I am classy. I don't want 448 00:20:03,920 --> 00:20:06,520 Speaker 2: anyone watching me white my bum. Obviously I do have limits, 449 00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:09,399 Speaker 2: not an animal, but I'm so fine with her and 450 00:20:09,640 --> 00:20:12,919 Speaker 2: to be up like my wife doesn't far or do it. 451 00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:15,119 Speaker 2: But I would not bother me because. 452 00:20:14,840 --> 00:20:17,640 Speaker 1: She's a lady. Now, I don't understand that you genuinely, 453 00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:21,160 Speaker 1: because I would rather self combust than I like when 454 00:20:21,240 --> 00:20:23,800 Speaker 1: I wake up at a guy's house. I never get 455 00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:26,760 Speaker 1: tummy rumbles for some reason. Every time I sleep over 456 00:20:26,800 --> 00:20:28,760 Speaker 1: a guy's house. I think it's a bit like waking 457 00:20:28,840 --> 00:20:33,000 Speaker 1: up going oopsie, daisies, I'll slept with him. But also like, 458 00:20:33,320 --> 00:20:35,679 Speaker 1: oh god, the nerves and everything, it just builds up 459 00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:38,920 Speaker 1: all this gas. I would rather self combust than fart 460 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:39,600 Speaker 1: in front of him. 461 00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:43,280 Speaker 2: They were saying, better out than in make that one up. 462 00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:45,600 Speaker 1: There was a study that said this is so great. 463 00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:47,760 Speaker 1: It said that when you do hold in a fight, 464 00:20:47,800 --> 00:20:49,080 Speaker 1: it actually comes out your mouth. 465 00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:52,280 Speaker 2: I do call Burt's mouth fart, so that makes sense. 466 00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:53,680 Speaker 2: I read that. I read that. 467 00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:58,080 Speaker 1: But then producer Taylor, she's married, she's got gorgeous twins, 468 00:20:58,119 --> 00:21:00,800 Speaker 1: and you agreed, you don't fight in front of your partner, 469 00:21:00,840 --> 00:21:01,640 Speaker 1: do you correct? 470 00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:05,080 Speaker 4: So we've been together for ten years now and I 471 00:21:05,119 --> 00:21:08,480 Speaker 4: would rather, like you, Janna, just avoid it at all costs. 472 00:21:08,520 --> 00:21:10,240 Speaker 4: So I've never done it in front of him. Hey, 473 00:21:10,359 --> 00:21:12,320 Speaker 4: by all means does it in front of me? Played 474 00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:15,360 Speaker 4: ten times a day. But to me, I just can't 475 00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:16,240 Speaker 4: bring myself to do it. 476 00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:17,480 Speaker 3: And it's money for ladies. 477 00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:19,879 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's not even like he said, Oh, don't you 478 00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:21,440 Speaker 4: ever do that in front of me? I just would 479 00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:21,919 Speaker 4: never do it. 480 00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:24,639 Speaker 2: It's disgusting, see for something. I don't know if this 481 00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:28,679 Speaker 2: is offensive. I just pegged you as a farmer, like 482 00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:29,440 Speaker 2: an open farm. 483 00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:33,640 Speaker 1: So did I to take that? 484 00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:36,240 Speaker 4: So I'm glad to set the record straight. 485 00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:38,720 Speaker 2: So have you back? Okay, So have you ever either 486 00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:39,840 Speaker 2: of you? Yeah? 487 00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:43,600 Speaker 1: Accidentally once once with a guy and he maybe this 488 00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:45,720 Speaker 1: is why I'm so scarred by it. I did it 489 00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:49,280 Speaker 1: once with a guy like I was jumping into bed. 490 00:21:49,560 --> 00:21:51,120 Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, we're at home, and I jumped 491 00:21:51,119 --> 00:21:54,000 Speaker 1: in a better way boop, and I died. I died. 492 00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:57,560 Speaker 1: I actually dutch hove into myself because I was so horrified. 493 00:21:57,600 --> 00:21:59,439 Speaker 1: I just pulled the blanket over me. And then he 494 00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:03,639 Speaker 1: was like, you're showing you obviously, but he gave me 495 00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:08,320 Speaker 1: this look of disgust, and ever since then, I've been horriford. 496 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:10,560 Speaker 1: And we didn't have sex that night because I think 497 00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:12,800 Speaker 1: he was like, you farted you hearted. 498 00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:16,600 Speaker 4: So the only time I've ever accidentally done it was 499 00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:21,679 Speaker 4: in the birthing suite, so fair. He even made us 500 00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:23,960 Speaker 4: point to make a comment at that time and goes, 501 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:26,160 Speaker 4: oh my god, block your noses, guys. He said that 502 00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:29,080 Speaker 4: to the nurse in the to the nurses, the midwife 503 00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:32,879 Speaker 4: and Bosatricia. I looked at him, I said, not now 504 00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:36,160 Speaker 4: and that time, so I feel like I could get 505 00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:36,560 Speaker 4: off of that. 506 00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:41,320 Speaker 2: So yeah, it's what's your policy on during show in 507 00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:42,600 Speaker 2: studio farting? Is that? 508 00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:44,080 Speaker 1: Absolutely not? 509 00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:44,760 Speaker 2: Okay? 510 00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:47,040 Speaker 1: That will be the last time we ever saw EMC. 511 00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:52,480 Speaker 2: You're here for the people. You're here to answer their questions. 512 00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:55,040 Speaker 2: You're here to help them in their darkest moments. 513 00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:57,920 Speaker 1: And I'm just really curious and snoopy, so I love 514 00:22:57,960 --> 00:22:58,880 Speaker 1: when people share. 515 00:22:58,680 --> 00:22:59,960 Speaker 2: With me a bit of a PERV and you're like 516 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:01,040 Speaker 2: to hear some stories. 517 00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:03,520 Speaker 1: From people, and I'm a girl, so I like to 518 00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:05,879 Speaker 1: deep dive and find the answers. But we got a 519 00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:09,400 Speaker 1: very saucy secret or a saucy question this week, if 520 00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:13,520 Speaker 1: you will. It's from a man, So that's exciting, he said, 521 00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:17,880 Speaker 1: Dear Jammer, my wife has always sworn she doesn't masturbate. 522 00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:18,520 Speaker 5: Lol. 523 00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:21,639 Speaker 1: She's told me for years that she's just not into 524 00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:24,479 Speaker 1: that sort of thing. I never pushed her. I figured 525 00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:27,640 Speaker 1: some people just aren't. Then last week I left for work, 526 00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:30,240 Speaker 1: I realized I'd forgotten my wallet. So I came back 527 00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:32,919 Speaker 1: inside and I walked in on her mid session with 528 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:35,600 Speaker 1: a dildo the size and girth. 529 00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:38,679 Speaker 3: Of a squash, or, if we really want to think. 530 00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:40,760 Speaker 1: About it, perhaps it was like the girth masters a 531 00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:41,520 Speaker 1: frank green bottle. 532 00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:42,840 Speaker 2: I don't know why I'm doing this with my hands 533 00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:44,000 Speaker 2: for those that are watching on your shoe, but I 534 00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:44,720 Speaker 2: seem to do this a lot. 535 00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:47,440 Speaker 1: It would be good for the blue thank you hands, 536 00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:52,880 Speaker 1: so he said. It's not a little buzzer, not something discrete. 537 00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:55,840 Speaker 1: This thing looked like it belonged in a sci fi movie. 538 00:23:56,600 --> 00:24:00,119 Speaker 1: It's a giant one, he said. We both froze, and 539 00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:02,680 Speaker 1: I quickly backed out of the room like I'd witnessed 540 00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:05,119 Speaker 1: a crime. Well, you're already off to a bad stuff. 541 00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:08,679 Speaker 1: I haven't mentioned it since and neither has she. But 542 00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:09,520 Speaker 1: now I can't. 543 00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:10,680 Speaker 3: Stop thinking about it. 544 00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:13,920 Speaker 1: If she lied about that, what else has she kept 545 00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:17,959 Speaker 1: from me? I know it's technically not cheating. Oh calm down, mate, 546 00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:21,760 Speaker 1: but I can't help feeling weirdly portrayed and honestly a 547 00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:26,719 Speaker 1: little intimidated signed jealous of the giant. First of all, 548 00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:29,520 Speaker 1: it is not cheating. If it involves batteries or it 549 00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:32,040 Speaker 1: can be hooked up to a USB, it's not cheating. 550 00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:35,720 Speaker 1: And secondly, yes, a lot of women don't admit to 551 00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:40,040 Speaker 1: masturbating like we all do it. If you're having sex, 552 00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:44,560 Speaker 1: you've masturbated unless you're asexual, which you know, I think 553 00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:46,479 Speaker 1: there's like five percent of the world out there who is. 554 00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:51,720 Speaker 1: You are definitely fiddling with yourself and it shouldn't be shamed. 555 00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:54,240 Speaker 1: And you and I are comfortable as saying like we're 556 00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:56,000 Speaker 1: fine with it, but a lot of people aren't. And 557 00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:58,960 Speaker 1: if you've been to a Catholic school or you maybe 558 00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:01,480 Speaker 1: had parents who didn't openly talk about sex, there is 559 00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:05,719 Speaker 1: that shame that still goes with masturbating. But it's very normal. 560 00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:08,560 Speaker 1: Everyone does it. So I think he needs to stop 561 00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:11,920 Speaker 1: seeing it as a portrayal and actually it's a really 562 00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:14,439 Speaker 1: good open door to start talking about. 563 00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:17,919 Speaker 2: Do you think maybe he's also felt really uncomfortable because 564 00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:21,040 Speaker 2: of the size of the apparatus that she was using, 565 00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:25,240 Speaker 2: and maybe he's now feeling insecure and questioning what he's 566 00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:28,200 Speaker 2: got because he's going, well, am I, am I not enough? 567 00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:29,719 Speaker 2: Is that what it is for him? Am I not 568 00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:32,119 Speaker 2: satisfying her needs? So she has to go out and 569 00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:35,600 Speaker 2: get this giant dildo to do what I can't. 570 00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:38,760 Speaker 1: He's got dick envy now from a toy, and I 571 00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:41,840 Speaker 1: totally get that, but he also needs to remember like 572 00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:45,320 Speaker 1: women like variety. I mean, thank god, she's not getting 573 00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:46,720 Speaker 1: her variety from another man. 574 00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:49,680 Speaker 2: Imagine if he had come home this was playing out 575 00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:51,480 Speaker 2: like a scene in the movie where the person goes 576 00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:53,560 Speaker 2: and forgets the keys, comes back in and it's it's 577 00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:55,920 Speaker 2: the neighbor that's in bed with the wah good bow chicken. 578 00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:59,479 Speaker 1: Well yeah, Chickwell, but no, it was a toy. She 579 00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:02,160 Speaker 1: wanted to variety. But you're seeing it as a curse, 580 00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:05,720 Speaker 1: but it's actually a blessing. I think now they've got 581 00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:09,640 Speaker 1: an open door to be like, Okay, maybe maybe poor 582 00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:12,800 Speaker 1: her a wine because she's clearly not comfortable talking about 583 00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:16,119 Speaker 1: sexuality and what she enjoys. Pour her a wine, have 584 00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:19,119 Speaker 1: a bit of a giggle. Like Margarita said earlier in 585 00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:22,840 Speaker 1: this show, come at it not with judgment, but come 586 00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:26,560 Speaker 1: at it from another angle and go, I was really 587 00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:32,119 Speaker 1: impressed that you do enjoy like sexually fulfilling yourself. I 588 00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:35,119 Speaker 1: want to know more about it, Like lean in, get 589 00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:38,720 Speaker 1: curious and say to her, you know, would you like 590 00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:41,879 Speaker 1: to introduce a toy like we can have fun with this? 591 00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:43,760 Speaker 1: Why don't you bring the toy into the bedroom? Why 592 00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:46,040 Speaker 1: don't you introduce it to both our sex life? Or 593 00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:48,879 Speaker 1: is there something you enjoy doing with the toy that 594 00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:51,240 Speaker 1: perhaps I could do, Because. 595 00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:54,840 Speaker 2: The longer this is left unsaid, it's just going to 596 00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:57,480 Speaker 2: fester and fester and fester and fester and just become 597 00:26:57,520 --> 00:26:59,399 Speaker 2: a problem that it really doesn't need to be. 598 00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:02,240 Speaker 1: No, And once again she'll feel shame because you're not 599 00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:06,040 Speaker 1: talking about it, so she's horrified thinking perhaps she's dirty, 600 00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:09,320 Speaker 1: or now she's worried that you think she's dirty, and 601 00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:12,280 Speaker 1: it's just we need to normalize these things. And the 602 00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:15,560 Speaker 1: more you have these uncomfortable conversations, the easier they get. 603 00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:17,920 Speaker 1: And then I don't know, I just think this will 604 00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:19,720 Speaker 1: really work in your favor for your sex life. 605 00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:22,720 Speaker 2: And the beauty with sex toys these days is that 606 00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:27,320 Speaker 2: there are sex toys that you can use together, like, 607 00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:30,960 Speaker 2: for example, the Zalo from Juju that I'm holding right 608 00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:34,400 Speaker 2: now on the YouTube feed, and it just so happens 609 00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:36,359 Speaker 2: that we've got one of these bad boys to give 610 00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:39,760 Speaker 2: away on the show tonight Share the buzz Zalo hugs 611 00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:41,160 Speaker 2: him because, as you said, it's a. 612 00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:44,359 Speaker 1: It's a cock crank, and I have used it before 613 00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:47,359 Speaker 1: myself with a guy and it really helped our sex life. 614 00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:50,000 Speaker 2: Go. 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He's News dot com dot a used 619 00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:08,119 Speaker 1: James w He just launched a wild new investigative podcast 620 00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:11,840 Speaker 1: called Sex Lies and Streaming, where he follows Ossie creator 621 00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:15,680 Speaker 1: Bonnie Blue through Vegas to explore the dark, twisted truths 622 00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:19,560 Speaker 1: behind the billion dollars sex fluencial world, and he joins 623 00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:22,160 Speaker 1: us on the show to tell us all the gooss Welcome. 624 00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:24,160 Speaker 4: James Hallo Guyso, oh. 625 00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:26,600 Speaker 1: My god, I don't even know where to begin, because 626 00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:31,720 Speaker 1: I did start listening to the podcast and basically you 627 00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:35,000 Speaker 1: followed Bonnie Blue all around Vegas. 628 00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:37,600 Speaker 5: Yeah, so Bonnie's really like, over the past twelve months, 629 00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:39,840 Speaker 5: Bonnie has become the poster girl. I guess you could 630 00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:42,680 Speaker 5: say four sex fluencers and OnlyFans. And what we've seen 631 00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:46,120 Speaker 5: sort of with this rise of of you know, DIY 632 00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:50,320 Speaker 5: porn stars getting in the headlines mainstream media with their 633 00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:53,080 Speaker 5: sex stunts. So she's really become the avatar of the 634 00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:56,640 Speaker 5: industry and it's something that we've never really seen before. 635 00:28:57,000 --> 00:29:00,800 Speaker 1: You know, it's wild. Yeah, it feels like it's blown 636 00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:02,440 Speaker 1: up in the past year where all of a sudden, 637 00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:04,320 Speaker 1: girls are trying to beat each other and how many 638 00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:04,880 Speaker 1: men they. 639 00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:07,920 Speaker 5: See, I know, and the thing's Pawn's not new, it's 640 00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:11,160 Speaker 5: been around forever, but there's latest trend and this kind 641 00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:15,880 Speaker 5: of blurred lines between influencer and porn star and tabloid 642 00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:20,760 Speaker 5: media identity and sort of being an outrageous mouthpiece. You know, 643 00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:23,000 Speaker 5: it's all kind of all those lines have been blurred 644 00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:27,560 Speaker 5: on the other people like Bonnie Blue and Lily Phillips, 645 00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:31,840 Speaker 5: they're doing all of these stunts, and it's caused a 646 00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:36,160 Speaker 5: lot of resentment, you know, because I think the more 647 00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:39,440 Speaker 5: people that I spoke to, not only are these girls 648 00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:42,520 Speaker 5: on OnlyFans able if they do it, you know, like 649 00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:44,960 Speaker 5: Bonnie Blue, they're able to earn a lot of money. 650 00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:47,400 Speaker 5: Most people don't, but some people do hit the jackpot 651 00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:49,280 Speaker 5: big and they earn a lot of money. And when 652 00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:51,400 Speaker 5: you compare that to what people get paid for a 653 00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:55,080 Speaker 5: traditional porn scene, it's only two thousand dollars for a scene, 654 00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:59,800 Speaker 5: and so it's actually changed in traditional porn. They're actually, 655 00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:03,400 Speaker 5: I've been told they've been struggling to recruit new people 656 00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:07,760 Speaker 5: to perform in porn just because they're pricing themselves out 657 00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:10,520 Speaker 5: of the market. And a lot of these DIY performers 658 00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:13,040 Speaker 5: they actually don't care because at the end of the day, 659 00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:15,680 Speaker 5: they get to buy their designer handbag in their Lamborghini, 660 00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:19,440 Speaker 5: and they don't really see themselves as part of the industry, 661 00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:22,400 Speaker 5: you know. And there's a lot of unspoken rules in 662 00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:24,480 Speaker 5: the porn industry, and there's a lot of knowledge that's 663 00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:28,560 Speaker 5: handed down. But people like Bonnie when I would talk 664 00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:31,280 Speaker 5: to her, not only was she she washed her hands 665 00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:33,120 Speaker 5: of a lot of that, but She was very defensive, 666 00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:36,479 Speaker 5: and she's come into the industry just assuming that people, 667 00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:40,200 Speaker 5: you know, that should be peers and colleagues. She assumes 668 00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:40,680 Speaker 5: that they. 669 00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:41,239 Speaker 2: Don't like her. 670 00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:43,520 Speaker 1: So what is she like behind the scenes. 671 00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:46,720 Speaker 5: So I flew over to La to catch this private 672 00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:49,200 Speaker 5: jet that they had charted to Las Vegas for the 673 00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:51,920 Speaker 5: Oscars of Porn, where Bonnie was convinced that she was 674 00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:56,200 Speaker 5: going to take the crown for Best Independent Female Creator. Anyway, 675 00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:58,240 Speaker 5: it was like a week after she had done this 676 00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:03,560 Speaker 5: thousand man gangbang, she suddenly disappears. It's because she's got 677 00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:06,880 Speaker 5: a really bad virus. After Yeah, I know, I know. 678 00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:10,000 Speaker 5: She had got a very bad virus from one of 679 00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:13,400 Speaker 5: the one thousand men. Her team were really worried about 680 00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:16,120 Speaker 5: people finding that out. But how am I supposed to 681 00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:19,840 Speaker 5: explain to my listeners why Bonnie's not there for a 682 00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:21,720 Speaker 5: podcast that's supposed to be following her. 683 00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:23,480 Speaker 2: So we're on the private jed. 684 00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:26,760 Speaker 5: I'm with the publicist and her sister, who had just 685 00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:29,280 Speaker 5: quit her job at a supermarket and flown over to 686 00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:32,560 Speaker 5: join the entourage as a paid member of staff. Also 687 00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:37,400 Speaker 5: in this entourage was a manager Ollie, but he wasn't 688 00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:41,520 Speaker 5: all who he appeared to be because they didn't want 689 00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:44,880 Speaker 5: me interviewing him to begin with or identifying him, but 690 00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:47,640 Speaker 5: the tag on his bag spelled out his name for me. 691 00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:50,960 Speaker 5: It was Ollie Davidson, and an article in a tabloid 692 00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:54,760 Speaker 5: overseas had just come out twenty four hours prior identifying 693 00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:57,479 Speaker 5: an Ollie Davidson as Bonnie's husband. 694 00:31:57,680 --> 00:31:59,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, then it sort. 695 00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:02,640 Speaker 5: Of just started to unravel even more because Bonnie's saying 696 00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:06,560 Speaker 5: that they're separated, but technically they're still married and he's 697 00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:09,840 Speaker 5: her manager. So I'm sort of being told by the 698 00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:12,360 Speaker 5: publicist that I'm not allowed to ask any questions about 699 00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:16,040 Speaker 5: this personal relationship, but I try to just inch closer 700 00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:17,680 Speaker 5: a little bit when I chat to Olie. 701 00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:19,200 Speaker 2: Here's how it goes with him. 702 00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:21,280 Speaker 3: Is Bonnie your exclusive client? 703 00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:22,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, she's many client. 704 00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:25,200 Speaker 5: Now how did you start managing her? 705 00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:28,640 Speaker 2: I've known her quite a long time, so we've got 706 00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:33,240 Speaker 2: quite a unique relationship. So I don't know what I 707 00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:35,280 Speaker 2: can say on this. Are you guys ex'es? 708 00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:37,040 Speaker 1: She's my ex? 709 00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:40,440 Speaker 2: Well, I don't want that out though. People don't like 710 00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:43,320 Speaker 2: the idea that there's men in the background helping her out. 711 00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:46,680 Speaker 5: So not only did he want to stay out of 712 00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:51,200 Speaker 5: the headlines for personal reasons, but apparently sort of. What 713 00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:53,080 Speaker 5: I gleaned from what he was telling me and what 714 00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:55,560 Speaker 5: I found out later on, was it's actually better for 715 00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:58,720 Speaker 5: Bonnie's business. But in the episode that comes out this 716 00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:01,760 Speaker 5: week of the sex licen str podcast, I end up 717 00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:04,040 Speaker 5: crashing the mansion that she's renting. 718 00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:04,560 Speaker 2: In Las Vegas. 719 00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:06,440 Speaker 5: She didn't know that I would be in her bedroom 720 00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:09,440 Speaker 5: that night, and the things that I witness that she 721 00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:14,400 Speaker 5: uh left out and what was kind of around the bedroom. 722 00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:18,720 Speaker 5: They paint a different realitydom no, no, no no, but 723 00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:22,440 Speaker 5: just the reality of their true relationship. It was very 724 00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:23,800 Speaker 5: different to what she presents. 725 00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:26,480 Speaker 1: So basically they were in this they were staying in 726 00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:27,240 Speaker 1: the same room. 727 00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:30,200 Speaker 3: Yes there was Look now I think they're still married. 728 00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:33,080 Speaker 5: It didn't seem to me that they were truly you 729 00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:35,320 Speaker 5: know bitter X's Yeah. 730 00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:37,200 Speaker 2: And I've already used one lame saying on the show tonight, 731 00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:39,200 Speaker 2: let's do a second time flies when you're having fun, guys, 732 00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:40,600 Speaker 2: and it shows here I. 733 00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:42,560 Speaker 1: Know and I've learned so much And do you know 734 00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:45,280 Speaker 1: what annoys me? I found out this week that I've 735 00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:46,120 Speaker 1: been dating. 736 00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:48,920 Speaker 2: Or wrong and I, yeah, my roster, you need to 737 00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:50,640 Speaker 2: rethink everything there, don't you. 738 00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:53,640 Speaker 1: I know this has been a real learning experience. 739 00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:56,640 Speaker 2: Big thank you to dating coach Marguerite and Nazarenko for 740 00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:57,360 Speaker 2: setting you straight. 741 00:33:57,560 --> 00:33:59,880 Speaker 1: Yes, I love her so much. I'm still fan girl 742 00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:03,440 Speaker 1: over her. And let's see what next week brings. And 743 00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:07,320 Speaker 1: let's see if I turn these lessons into practice. 744 00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:10,960 Speaker 2: Anything is possible. Anything is possible. Don't forget to grab 745 00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:14,400 Speaker 2: the podcast, like subscribe, check us out on YouTube, and 746 00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:16,080 Speaker 2: we'll see you next week. This is Soucy Secrets on 747 00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:17,040 Speaker 2: Kiss Bye.