WEBVTT - Influencers Flee Melbourne Lockdown & Double Dates With Your Ex

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<v Speaker 1>This is Outspoken.

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<v Speaker 2>We're identical triplets, but we often don't have identical opinions,

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<v Speaker 2>reality TV, influencers, entertainment, and issues facing women.

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<v Speaker 1>That is so fat.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you, Welcome back to Friday's episode of Outspoken. It

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<v Speaker 2>is so weird because Sophie and I are here together,

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<v Speaker 2>But Kate, you're on zoom all the way in Corimandel Valley.

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<v Speaker 1>You couldn't be bothered to come and join us.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, I mean I could be bothered. But we just

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<v Speaker 2>thought this might save a little bit of time so

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<v Speaker 2>I don't have to drive around for like two hours.

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<v Speaker 2>So so far, so good. I hope it's actually recording

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<v Speaker 2>properly because I feel like I'm quite comfortable recording this

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<v Speaker 2>now in my bedroom. Well, let's get straight into the

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<v Speaker 2>social dilemma. And this one has been inspired by Courtney

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<v Speaker 2>Kardashian and Scott Disick. So, for those who don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>Courtney has been dating Blink one two drummer Travis Barker,

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<v Speaker 2>and Scott has got a new younger girlfriend. Her name

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<v Speaker 2>is Amelia Gray Hamlin. She's nineteen and she's the daughter

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<v Speaker 2>of one of the housewives on the Real Housewives of

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<v Speaker 2>Beverly Hills. So fans actually spotted Courtney and Travis out

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<v Speaker 2>to dinner with Scott and Amelia, and people were speculating.

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<v Speaker 1>That this was a very, very awkward date.

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<v Speaker 2>So gossip site des Moir they posted a photo. They

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<v Speaker 2>didn't actually have a photo of the date, but they

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<v Speaker 2>posted a tip off that there was this double date,

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<v Speaker 2>and one person made one hell of a comment. They wrote,

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<v Speaker 2>it's so odd to me, like, what does the two

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<v Speaker 2>thousand and one baby have to do with these grown

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<v Speaker 2>ass people. I know that dinner was awkward as hell.

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<v Speaker 2>So what's happened is Travis Barker has seen this post

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<v Speaker 2>and he has liked this comment, so he has confirmed

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<v Speaker 2>this dinner was awkward as I mean, I don't even

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<v Speaker 2>think it's just the age difference that's awkward. It's the

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<v Speaker 2>fact that you're on a double date with two pp

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<v Speaker 2>who had a long term relationship and have kids together,

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<v Speaker 2>Like it would be so bloody awkward. And then you

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<v Speaker 2>couple that with the fact that Travis is a forty

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<v Speaker 2>five year old man who now is making conversation Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>with a nineteen year old girl. He could be her father,

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<v Speaker 2>he could be So it got us thinking, what is

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<v Speaker 2>everyone's thoughts on actually having a double date with your ex?

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<v Speaker 2>Is this something you guys would do? Is this something you.

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<v Speaker 1>Would contemplate if you had children with somebody?

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<v Speaker 2>I think no, no, But I think the fact that

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<v Speaker 2>they have children complicates the situation because there are a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of couples or exes that move on and obviously

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<v Speaker 2>have to have some sort of good relationship for the children,

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<v Speaker 2>and so it is nice to see that they are

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<v Speaker 2>getting along and being able to co parent in this way. Unfortunately,

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like I'm quite a petty person, and I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think that I could build myself up enough to

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<v Speaker 2>go and have dinner with my ex partner's new nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>year old girlfriend. Kate, you've been in some awkward situations

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<v Speaker 2>recently because you keep getting invited to events that.

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<v Speaker 1>You're with your fiance. Now your fiance X is that.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, well she hasn't turned up to any of them,

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<v Speaker 3>So I feel like that's kind of speaks volumes that

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<v Speaker 3>you know you don't want to be there because she's

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<v Speaker 3>moved on and got a new partner, but you just

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<v Speaker 3>I think that's just an awkward thing that no one

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<v Speaker 3>really wants.

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<v Speaker 2>You just want to pretend that person doesn't exist.

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<v Speaker 3>It is I mean, this isn't This isn't a first

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<v Speaker 3>for Courtney and Scott though, because I was watching an

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<v Speaker 3>old series of The Kardashian that was on nine now and.

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<v Speaker 2>Courtney invited was it Sofia Richie on the holiday? Recent

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<v Speaker 2>X on a holiday?

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<v Speaker 3>And it was funny because it was Sofia Richie that

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<v Speaker 3>was feeling left out, And I can kind of see

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<v Speaker 3>how you would feel left out if you've got, like,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, the former couple and their kids. It does

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<v Speaker 3>act add an extra element with the new partner, so

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<v Speaker 3>at least they were sort of on even footings at THEATA.

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<v Speaker 2>I actually do feel really sorry for the nineteen year

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<v Speaker 2>old girl in a sense because could you imagine going

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<v Speaker 2>to this dinner where there's three people who were so

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<v Speaker 2>much more famous than you, they're older than you, they're

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<v Speaker 2>probably a bit more sophisticated than you, and you're there

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<v Speaker 2>awkwardly having to try and think of something to say sorry.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you actually think Scott Dissicc's sophisticated. Well a bit

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<v Speaker 2>younger than Courtney Kardashian too. But you know what is

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<v Speaker 2>about Courtney Kardashian. She's friends with Addison Ray, the TikToker star. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>TikTok star. So you know, isn't she about twenty two?

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<v Speaker 2>So I feel like Courtney does have a bit in

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<v Speaker 2>common with twenty year olds. Well, age is just a

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<v Speaker 2>number at the end of the day. But I just

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<v Speaker 2>feel it is a very awkward situation. I remember my

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<v Speaker 2>boyfriend told me that he was actually versing my ex

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<v Speaker 2>boyfriend at football. Oh my gosh, And it was such

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<v Speaker 2>a sensational situation because sometimes I do thrive off those

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<v Speaker 2>sort of situations, you know, when you're a fly on

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<v Speaker 2>the battle. I was not allowed to attend the football game.

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<v Speaker 2>Is that because you do in those situations?

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<v Speaker 1>Probably?

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<v Speaker 2>Do? You know what though?

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<v Speaker 3>I think it depends if you are the winner or

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<v Speaker 3>the loser out of the relationship, And to me, Scott

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<v Speaker 3>Distick's kind of the loser. Like it's quite clear that

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<v Speaker 3>Courtney kind of kicked him out of home, and so

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<v Speaker 3>I feel like he is on a lower level somewhat.

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<v Speaker 3>So I feel like if you're the winner in the

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<v Speaker 3>relationship and you've probably dumped the person, then you probably

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<v Speaker 3>couldn't give a shit if you're seeing and you know,

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<v Speaker 3>if you see them at an event where it's more

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<v Speaker 3>the person that's been dumped. But words feel funny because

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<v Speaker 3>because at the end of the day, the person that's

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<v Speaker 3>dumped still as a part of them that would want

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<v Speaker 3>to be yeah, the person that dumped them.

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<v Speaker 2>But that's what's awkward as well, because the new series

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<v Speaker 2>of the Kardashians is out and Scott very much wants

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<v Speaker 2>to get back with Courtney. But I would love to

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<v Speaker 2>hear what everybody else thinks. We're gonna put a thread

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<v Speaker 2>in our outspoken Facebook community, So tell us, would you

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<v Speaker 2>go on a double date with your ex dud?

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, totally, Okay, I'm sorry. It must be the pressure

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<v Speaker 4>of entertaining. I think everyone would feel better if.

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<v Speaker 1>We had some flying influencers.

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<v Speaker 2>Sophie Kasha and Emmy lu McCarthy have been slammed for

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<v Speaker 2>fleeing Melbourne lockdown. The pair have been labeled tone deaf,

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<v Speaker 2>entitled and privileged after they escaped to Perth just before

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<v Speaker 2>Western Australia shut at Sports with Victoria Kate. What is

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<v Speaker 2>the reasoning behind their departures.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, the pair left Melbourne under the guys that they

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<v Speaker 3>are appearing as guest speakers at a Perth event called

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<v Speaker 3>Sip and Socials. The event's being held at Perth Luxury

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<v Speaker 3>Ritz Carlton Hotel on Saturday, Dune the fifth, So the

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<v Speaker 3>Sip and Socials events actually currently touring Australia and there

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<v Speaker 3>is an event held in Brisbane and April. So the

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<v Speaker 3>likes of influencers like Steph Pace, Faith Williams, Kelly Howard

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<v Speaker 3>and Jessica Wilson all appeared a special guest at this event.

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<v Speaker 3>So originally this Perth event was meant to be held

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<v Speaker 3>in Perth on Saturday the twentieth of March, but ironically

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<v Speaker 3>it was postponed due to COVID. So this time around

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<v Speaker 3>they've sold four hundred tickets, which is the maximum tickets

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<v Speaker 3>they can sell, and each ticket costs a ridiculous two

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<v Speaker 3>hundred and forty nine dollars, So if you look at

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<v Speaker 3>the ticket revenue alone, this event is already raising ninety

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<v Speaker 3>nine thousand, six hundred dollars.

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<v Speaker 2>What's really clear here that the organizers are set to

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<v Speaker 2>make a lot of money for this event. If you're

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<v Speaker 2>spending two hundred and forty nine dollars on a ticket,

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<v Speaker 2>you're going to hope that the special guests and influencers

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<v Speaker 2>are actually there to attend. Yeah, exactly right, And I

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<v Speaker 2>think this is why there has been a push to

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<v Speaker 2>keep the event going. So guests attending the networking event

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<v Speaker 2>have been told that they will hear from real, genuine

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<v Speaker 2>women who are successful influencers and entrepreneurs that have built

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<v Speaker 2>their own six figure brand. So it really seems like

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<v Speaker 2>your typical influencer event. Guests are invited to get glam

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<v Speaker 2>for the gram and they're promised the best goodie bag

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<v Speaker 2>on the planet.

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<v Speaker 3>Included in that two hundred and forty nine dollars ticket

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<v Speaker 3>price are drinks, a food station, grazing tables, business market stalls,

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<v Speaker 3>and also a one hour live panel Q and A

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<v Speaker 3>with Sophi, Kasha and Emmy Lou and as of course.

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<v Speaker 2>That gooody bag. Yeah, and a bit of COVID maybe beside.

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<v Speaker 3>So yeah, so, Sophie, can you tell us about who

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<v Speaker 3>is organizing this event? Because this person has actually been

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<v Speaker 3>dragged into the drama. Well, they've actually kind of made

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<v Speaker 3>themselves the center of this drama.

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<v Speaker 2>So the organizer of this event is Emma Williams, who

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<v Speaker 2>is the founder of socially m so. She describes herself

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<v Speaker 2>as an entrepreneur and the brains behind three successful six

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<v Speaker 2>figure businesses. Now I haven't even attended this event, but

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<v Speaker 2>I'm already feeling a bit sick over the constant mention

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<v Speaker 2>of these six figure businesses. I kind of feel like

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<v Speaker 2>it's a bit of a dick measure in competition at

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<v Speaker 2>the moment over who has the most successful business.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I feel like Sam Mangan's always got a very

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<v Speaker 3>good approach to these people, and he always says like, well,

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<v Speaker 3>if these people are so successful, why are they holding

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<v Speaker 3>like networking events, Like, wouldn't you just be working in

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<v Speaker 3>your business?

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<v Speaker 1>That's right.

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<v Speaker 2>I love how it's never like, oh I run a

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<v Speaker 2>successful five figure business.

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<v Speaker 1>It's never alwasn six Well, that's a bit more impressive.

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<v Speaker 2>Well. Emma shared on her Instagram story that Sophie and

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<v Speaker 2>Emmy Lou would not be missing the show despite the

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<v Speaker 2>lockdown and border closes. So she confirmed that they had

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<v Speaker 2>undergone COVID nineteen ten, which have come back as negative.

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<v Speaker 2>So she wrote online, we had to postpone the event

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<v Speaker 2>in March because of the COVID lockdown, so we acted

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<v Speaker 2>really quickly this time.

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<v Speaker 1>I had this.

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<v Speaker 2>Idea for them to jump on a plane the moment

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<v Speaker 2>we heard anything to do with the COVID situation in Melbourne.

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<v Speaker 2>So they took me up on the crazy idea and

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<v Speaker 2>they are here in Perth. They've had negative tests and

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<v Speaker 2>they are good to go for the next weekend. So

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<v Speaker 2>there were a lot of questions following this post over

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<v Speaker 2>whether Sophie and Emmy Lou should actually be in quarantine

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<v Speaker 2>at the moment. Emma responded to this saying, no, they

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<v Speaker 2>arrived before the COVID outbreak in Melbourne and have been

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<v Speaker 2>in Perth for a while. They have followed all the

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<v Speaker 2>requirements by the Health and Premier Department, So k can

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<v Speaker 2>you tell us when did they actually arrive in Perth?

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<v Speaker 2>Is what Emma's saying.

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<v Speaker 3>Correct Well, the timings are a little bit sketchy, but

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<v Speaker 3>they are important in determining whether Sophie and emmylu have

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<v Speaker 3>complied with the government rules. So Victoria's acting Premier May

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<v Speaker 3>the announcement at seven point thirty on Thursday morning on

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<v Speaker 3>the twenty seventh of May that the seven days circuit

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<v Speaker 3>breaker lockdown would be in full effect as of eleven

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<v Speaker 3>to fifty nine pm that night, so as of recording, sadly,

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<v Speaker 3>the lockdown has been extended by a further seven days. However,

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<v Speaker 3>at that time it was only seven days. So on

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<v Speaker 3>the first official day of Victoria's lockdown, on Friday, the

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<v Speaker 3>twenty eighth of May, Sophie shared a picture to her

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<v Speaker 3>Instagram story of the view outside her hotel room at

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<v Speaker 3>the Ritz Carlton in Perth, and she wrote, thank you

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<v Speaker 3>so much for the socially M team and the incredibly

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<v Speaker 3>accommodating staff at the Ritz Carlton Perth for making the

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<v Speaker 3>last few very chaotic days easier for myself and the kids.

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<v Speaker 3>Nothing like spontaneously packing at two am. Right, we will

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<v Speaker 3>all test at the airport yesterday and are all negative.

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<v Speaker 2>So based on that.

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<v Speaker 3>Post, it's quite confusing as to when Sophie actually arrived

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<v Speaker 3>in Perth. So while she thanked the event organizer and

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<v Speaker 3>the hotel for making her last few days easier, she

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<v Speaker 3>did say she packed at two am, which to me

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<v Speaker 3>is signals it was the very last minute decision, particularly

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<v Speaker 3>with socially M saying well hang on as soon as

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<v Speaker 3>we heard of any COVID lockdowns, we rushed them onto

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<v Speaker 3>the plane.

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<v Speaker 2>So as for Emmy Lou, she claims.

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<v Speaker 3>That she didn't share with her followers her travel plans

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<v Speaker 3>to Perth because she was actually surprising her family members.

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<v Speaker 3>Now to me, this doesn't really make sense because they

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<v Speaker 3>were aware of the event coming up, so you know,

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<v Speaker 3>are they really going to be that surprised that she's

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<v Speaker 3>suddenly in Perth.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it was obviously part of socially m's crisis management

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<v Speaker 2>plan to have the pair flown over if there was

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<v Speaker 2>any mention of COVID, because Sophie does mention that she

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<v Speaker 2>was spontaneously packing at two am. And it's just odd

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<v Speaker 2>to me that they mentioned this all over social media

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<v Speaker 2>because I don't know if they expected the backlash that

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<v Speaker 2>they have received.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, well, the thing is, at the end of the day,

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<v Speaker 3>it does appear like they haven't actually broken any of

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<v Speaker 3>the government rules because on Friday, the Western Australian Government

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<v Speaker 3>announced that anyone who arrived from Victoria between Sunday, the

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<v Speaker 3>sixteenth of May and ten am on Thursday, the twenty

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<v Speaker 3>seventh needs to present for a COVID nineteen test and

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<v Speaker 3>within the next forty eight hours remain in self quarantine

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<v Speaker 3>until they receive a negative result. So it appears that's

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<v Speaker 3>what Sophie and Emmy Lou have done. However, there is

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<v Speaker 3>contention around the fact that Emmy Lou actually lives in

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<v Speaker 3>Port Melbourne. So there were two exposure sites in Port Melbourne,

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<v Speaker 3>and if you were in these exposure sites, and you

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<v Speaker 3>have to quarantine for fourteen days if you are visiting

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<v Speaker 3>Western Australia. So I'm not saying that she definitely was

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<v Speaker 3>at those exposure sites. She has said she was not,

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<v Speaker 3>but there are question marks considering that she lives very

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<v Speaker 3>close to these exposure sites.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, they just managed to get in last minute, didn't they.

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<v Speaker 2>It's almost like a bit of a loophole kind of situation.

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<v Speaker 2>The organizers would have known because we've seen people locked

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<v Speaker 2>out of states in the past during these circuit breaker lockdowns.

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<v Speaker 2>We know that if you travel, you know, right at

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<v Speaker 2>the last minute, you might be able to make it

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<v Speaker 2>in without having to do the.

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<v Speaker 1>Fourteen day quarantine.

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<v Speaker 2>And obviously they haven't done anything wrong legally, but I

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<v Speaker 2>think people are questioning whether morally it's okay for them

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<v Speaker 2>to have done that.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, and there are so many people that are

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<v Speaker 3>really unhappy with Sophie and Emmy loose decision, particularly Victorians,

0:13:11.200 --> 0:13:12.960
<v Speaker 3>and I don't blame them at all. I would be

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<v Speaker 3>absolutely furious if I saw these influencers who obviously have

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of privilege to be able to afford to

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<v Speaker 3>just jump on this flight. And yes it's paid by

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<v Speaker 3>the event company. I just feel like it's not a

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<v Speaker 3>good look to be seen fleeing a lockdown, especially when

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<v Speaker 3>you were then promoting your pajama brand. So, for those

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<v Speaker 3>who don't know Sophie Kesha, she has a very successful

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<v Speaker 3>range of pajamas and it seems like she's actually using

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<v Speaker 3>the COVID situation to actually benefit from So she had

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<v Speaker 3>an interview in the Sydney Morning Herald and it actually

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<v Speaker 3>came out on Wednesday, which I didn't think was great

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<v Speaker 3>time for her, considering the bad press she's been getting

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<v Speaker 3>around this fleeing lockdown situation. So she actually said, look,

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<v Speaker 3>last year, I really wanted to be mindful of being

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<v Speaker 3>sensitive around COVID, as I knew the hardship people were

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<v Speaker 3>facing in the workforce. But in a time where everyone

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<v Speaker 3>was home and not spending money on winter boots and jackets,

0:14:04.080 --> 0:14:06.600
<v Speaker 3>they were all spending it on pjs. In one night,

0:14:06.640 --> 0:14:09.200
<v Speaker 3>we sold over seven thousand pairs. So Keaisha had a

0:14:09.240 --> 0:14:11.360
<v Speaker 3>fantastic year and has really set us up in a

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<v Speaker 3>great position moving forward.

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<v Speaker 2>Now. As I said, this didn't really sit well with me.

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<v Speaker 2>And then she went on to actually send out an

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<v Speaker 2>email to her database during the most recent lockdown, and

0:14:22.680 --> 0:14:24.960
<v Speaker 2>the email was entitled a gift for you, and the

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<v Speaker 2>email read because of the news today in Victoria, we've

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<v Speaker 2>decided to offer free shipping Australia wide until Thursday, the

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<v Speaker 2>third of June. Please note there may be some delays

0:14:33.200 --> 0:14:35.760
<v Speaker 2>in shipping during these times. Now, I find it hard

0:14:35.760 --> 0:14:37.960
<v Speaker 2>to believe that this was sent as a good will gesture.

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<v Speaker 2>Considering that she has run out on lockdown and also

0:14:41.520 --> 0:14:44.120
<v Speaker 2>she's claimed that she earned seven thousand she sold seven

0:14:44.120 --> 0:14:47.200
<v Speaker 2>thousand dollars during lockdown. It seems like a very business

0:14:47.280 --> 0:14:49.800
<v Speaker 2>driven decision to me. I will be very interested to

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<v Speaker 2>see how many pajamas she does actually sell through the skimmick,

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<v Speaker 2>because I don't believe it will be as many. I

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<v Speaker 2>think there's a lot of bad pr around Sophie Kasha.

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<v Speaker 2>At the moment, I I was a small business owner

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<v Speaker 2>and I was looking on to see that these two

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<v Speaker 2>women had fled a lockdown situation and I was having

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<v Speaker 2>to close my business down for two weeks. Yet they

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<v Speaker 2>are in a situation where they're able to make a

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<v Speaker 2>shit ton of money by speaking an event. I would

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<v Speaker 2>be absolutely furious and thinking this is really unfair. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I think people are still pissed off at Sophie Kesha

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<v Speaker 2>for breaking lockdown rules on multiple occasions last Lockdown. So

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<v Speaker 2>this seeing her gallivanting around Perth, I mean she was

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<v Speaker 2>at a nude yoga class the other day and promoting

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<v Speaker 2>the brand, you know, the yoga company. I mean she's

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<v Speaker 2>getting obviously paid for that, and as I said, we've

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<v Speaker 2>got no issue with her getting money, but I just

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<v Speaker 2>think it's extremely tone death and it's not really a

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<v Speaker 2>good branding exercise for her. I mean, her brand of

0:15:46.920 --> 0:15:50.800
<v Speaker 2>pajamas is named after her, so, as you said, it

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<v Speaker 2>will be interesting to see if her behavior has any

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<v Speaker 2>effect on sales.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't you think though?

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<v Speaker 2>It's a kind of a bad look for the event

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<v Speaker 2>as well, because while they haven't broken any rules, people

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<v Speaker 2>are really angry about it. And I think it goes

0:16:04.000 --> 0:16:08.000
<v Speaker 2>back to people's changing minds about influencers and how we

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<v Speaker 2>view them since the pandemic. I think people are just

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<v Speaker 2>getting more and more annoyed at influencers and we're seeing

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<v Speaker 2>even we're even seeing in Adelaide in terms of all

0:16:16.800 --> 0:16:20.040
<v Speaker 2>the AFL footballers from Collingwood are allowed into the state.

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<v Speaker 2>It seems like there's this hierarchy and normal people aren't

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<v Speaker 2>allowed to move around. But if you're an influencer, a

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<v Speaker 2>footy player, go ahead, you can go visit anywhere you want.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, exactly, And I think that's what's pierced a lot

0:16:30.840 --> 0:16:33.320
<v Speaker 3>of people off. And you know what, like, while they

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<v Speaker 3>may have done a COVID test, the Melbourne situation is

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<v Speaker 3>constantly evolving. So many new exposure sites are popping up,

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<v Speaker 3>and COVID has an incubation period of fourteen days. So

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<v Speaker 3>what happens if Sophie Kasia and Emmylou do end up

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<v Speaker 3>getting COVID and they go on to infect four hundred

0:16:50.720 --> 0:16:53.520
<v Speaker 3>people at this event? I mean that would shut Perth

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<v Speaker 3>down for months.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and what about that? With technology? Could they not

0:16:57.440 --> 0:16:59.840
<v Speaker 2>have been on Zoom or something. Surely there was some

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<v Speaker 2>kind of backup plan rather than flying.

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<v Speaker 3>All Surely Perth, surely Perth has some influences that actually

0:17:05.920 --> 0:17:07.520
<v Speaker 3>live there that could be a part of the event.

0:17:07.600 --> 0:17:10.400
<v Speaker 3>Like the Brisbane event, they were all Brisbane based influences

0:17:10.440 --> 0:17:13.639
<v Speaker 3>to my knowledge, so surely Perth has some influences that

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<v Speaker 3>could have stood in. Can I just say I'd be

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<v Speaker 3>trying to keep a bit of a low profile if

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<v Speaker 3>it was them, as you said, I wouldn't want to

0:17:19.640 --> 0:17:22.520
<v Speaker 3>be gallivanting around too much as they've been doing and

0:17:22.520 --> 0:17:24.520
<v Speaker 3>putting things publicly on Instagram.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, especially if your Sophiicacia, because she has probably

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<v Speaker 2>been one of the most controversial influences during this lockdown

0:17:31.000 --> 0:17:35.080
<v Speaker 2>and COVID period here in Australia. She's constantly slammed. She

0:17:35.119 --> 0:17:38.000
<v Speaker 2>has been constantly slammed by celeb spelcheck for breaking the rules,

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<v Speaker 2>So this is one where you think maybe she would

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<v Speaker 2>have just stayed in place and not had to put

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<v Speaker 2>up with the raff of it all. So while Sophie,

0:17:45.960 --> 0:17:49.280
<v Speaker 2>Kasia and Emmy Lou have managed to flee Melbourne, there

0:17:49.280 --> 0:17:52.360
<v Speaker 2>are a lot of influencers who didn't actually get their

0:17:52.400 --> 0:17:56.080
<v Speaker 2>flight quick enough. So the timing of Melbourne's lockdown has

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<v Speaker 2>been particularly bad for the influencer world. With Fashion Week

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<v Speaker 2>in sydneya this week, so twins Marissa and Rebecca, who

0:18:03.640 --> 0:18:07.800
<v Speaker 2>run popular Instagram page Twice Blessed. They revealed they actually

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<v Speaker 2>had to cancel their plans to come to Sydney. So

0:18:10.640 --> 0:18:12.800
<v Speaker 2>they had planned to fly out to Sydney on a

0:18:12.880 --> 0:18:16.000
<v Speaker 2>six thirty pm flight on Thursday night, but canceled after

0:18:16.040 --> 0:18:19.200
<v Speaker 2>New South Wales announced anyone coming from Melbourne would still

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<v Speaker 2>need to follow lockdown orders. They took to their Instagram

0:18:22.760 --> 0:18:25.119
<v Speaker 2>story to say what a kick in the guts it

0:18:25.200 --> 0:18:28.160
<v Speaker 2>had been. So they said, going to fashion Week isn't

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<v Speaker 2>just a flashy time to show off, nor is it

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<v Speaker 2>wanky or out of touch. It's our job.

0:18:33.320 --> 0:18:36.880
<v Speaker 3>The income and potential income generated from fashion Week sustains

0:18:36.960 --> 0:18:40.400
<v Speaker 3>us financially for months, just as we were rebuilding financially

0:18:40.440 --> 0:18:42.840
<v Speaker 3>after the horror that was twenty twenty and spending all

0:18:42.880 --> 0:18:44.080
<v Speaker 3>this money to get to Sydney.

0:18:44.119 --> 0:18:46.879
<v Speaker 2>It's gun rich. It's gut wrenching to be in this

0:18:46.920 --> 0:18:50.920
<v Speaker 2>position again. There was also another fashion influencer, Christi who

0:18:51.440 --> 0:18:54.199
<v Speaker 2>and she posted on Instagram story that she was rushing

0:18:54.240 --> 0:18:57.040
<v Speaker 2>around packing her bags to get to Sydney, and she

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<v Speaker 2>actually had to delete the story because it was causing

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<v Speaker 2>so much backlash.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you guys feel sorry for these influencers who are

0:19:03.400 --> 0:19:07.080
<v Speaker 3>missing out on Sydney Fashion Week. I definitely do have

0:19:07.240 --> 0:19:10.440
<v Speaker 3>some sympathy for them, because at the end of the day,

0:19:10.480 --> 0:19:13.280
<v Speaker 3>for influencers, it is their career and it is their

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<v Speaker 3>way that they do make money, particularly for a lot

0:19:15.920 --> 0:19:18.960
<v Speaker 3>of these fashion influencers who do really take it seriously.

0:19:19.040 --> 0:19:20.400
<v Speaker 1>So I do feel sorry for.

0:19:20.359 --> 0:19:22.800
<v Speaker 2>Anyone who has had to endure the lockdowns that have

0:19:22.840 --> 0:19:25.080
<v Speaker 2>been going on in Victoria this year and last year,

0:19:25.080 --> 0:19:28.560
<v Speaker 2>because it would just be absolutely awful. I do feel

0:19:28.600 --> 0:19:31.440
<v Speaker 2>sorry for them if it is affecting their livelihood. Then again,

0:19:31.480 --> 0:19:33.720
<v Speaker 2>there are so many other people who are being affected

0:19:33.800 --> 0:19:37.000
<v Speaker 2>in far worse circumstances. There are people who are missing

0:19:37.000 --> 0:19:39.760
<v Speaker 2>out on attending loved ones funerals, there are people missing

0:19:39.840 --> 0:19:43.000
<v Speaker 2>out on visiting sick relatives. So there are lots of

0:19:43.040 --> 0:19:45.320
<v Speaker 2>other cases where people are far worse off.

0:19:46.320 --> 0:19:48.480
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean it's horrible, as you said, that they

0:19:48.520 --> 0:19:51.679
<v Speaker 3>are losing their income, and for me, that's actually a

0:19:51.760 --> 0:19:53.879
<v Speaker 3>very serious thing because you know, you guys work in

0:19:53.960 --> 0:19:57.680
<v Speaker 3>pr You've experienced having jobs canceled, so that no one

0:19:57.720 --> 0:19:59.720
<v Speaker 3>thinks that's great. I think the issue for me here

0:19:59.800 --> 0:20:03.359
<v Speaker 3>is fact that they that these influencers are trying to

0:20:03.480 --> 0:20:06.919
<v Speaker 3>quickly flee Melbourne, And to me that is kind of

0:20:07.040 --> 0:20:09.680
<v Speaker 3>very like. It's the whole point is if you think

0:20:09.680 --> 0:20:11.639
<v Speaker 3>that you may have been in a hot spot, you

0:20:11.680 --> 0:20:14.800
<v Speaker 3>need to stay in Melbourne, like even though you can

0:20:15.119 --> 0:20:16.760
<v Speaker 3>get through these loopholes.

0:20:16.280 --> 0:20:18.760
<v Speaker 2>And travel like, it's sort of not the best thing

0:20:18.840 --> 0:20:21.639
<v Speaker 2>to do, exactly. It's like travel in general. It's like,

0:20:21.680 --> 0:20:25.400
<v Speaker 2>should we really be traveling around during a pandemic? Well,

0:20:25.440 --> 0:20:29.840
<v Speaker 2>talking about travel, did you guys see influencer Taylor Winterstein

0:20:30.040 --> 0:20:33.800
<v Speaker 2>and her husband whose former NRL Frankie Winterstein. They have

0:20:33.960 --> 0:20:37.440
<v Speaker 2>caused huge outrage because they were publicly.

0:20:36.880 --> 0:20:40.520
<v Speaker 3>Defying wearing masks on their flight back from Melbourne to Sydney.

0:20:40.880 --> 0:20:43.080
<v Speaker 2>To be honest, I have never heard of either of them,

0:20:43.080 --> 0:20:46.560
<v Speaker 2>but then again I'm not a huge NRL fan. Well.

0:20:46.640 --> 0:20:49.560
<v Speaker 3>Taylor is well known for her anti vax stance and

0:20:49.640 --> 0:20:52.960
<v Speaker 3>she has run a wellness program called taz Way since

0:20:52.960 --> 0:20:57.320
<v Speaker 3>twenty fourteen. She has been heavily criticized in several South

0:20:57.359 --> 0:21:01.560
<v Speaker 3>Pacific and Australasian countries for her anti vaccination rhetoric, and

0:21:01.600 --> 0:21:04.639
<v Speaker 3>she's held seminars that have been called irresponsible by the

0:21:04.680 --> 0:21:08.840
<v Speaker 3>Australian Medical Association. And she's even been called a public

0:21:08.960 --> 0:21:12.320
<v Speaker 3>health threat. Now, Taylor continues to claim that she does

0:21:12.359 --> 0:21:15.960
<v Speaker 3>not encourage non vaccination, but rather informed consent and.

0:21:15.920 --> 0:21:17.000
<v Speaker 2>Freedom of choice.

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<v Speaker 3>So on Monday, the twenty fourth of May, just before

0:21:19.960 --> 0:21:22.879
<v Speaker 3>Melbourne went into lockdown, Taylor shared a photo of her

0:21:22.880 --> 0:21:25.680
<v Speaker 3>and her husband not wearing a mask on the plane.

0:21:25.760 --> 0:21:29.040
<v Speaker 3>She captured the post peacefully flying to Melbourne and back

0:21:29.480 --> 0:21:32.240
<v Speaker 3>mask free because we have a medical exemption and it's

0:21:32.280 --> 0:21:35.040
<v Speaker 3>called we are allergic to bullshit. We were the ones.

0:21:35.760 --> 0:21:38.520
<v Speaker 3>We were the only ones on the plane breathing unrestricted,

0:21:38.680 --> 0:21:41.480
<v Speaker 3>So much easier advocating for your rights when flying in

0:21:41.480 --> 0:21:45.440
<v Speaker 3>your own country and speaking English. This pissed me off

0:21:45.600 --> 0:21:49.320
<v Speaker 3>so much because it gets even worse. It ends up

0:21:49.560 --> 0:21:52.480
<v Speaker 3>that these guys were posting basically where they were going

0:21:52.520 --> 0:21:55.560
<v Speaker 3>on their trip to Melbourne, and they actually were in

0:21:55.760 --> 0:22:01.200
<v Speaker 3>two hotspots. So they visited a restaurant in Brunswick, which

0:22:01.240 --> 0:22:05.080
<v Speaker 3>is Brunswick is actually considered a Tier two hot spot,

0:22:05.119 --> 0:22:07.480
<v Speaker 3>so basically you're told you have to get tested and

0:22:07.560 --> 0:22:10.560
<v Speaker 3>isolate until you have your results. And they were also

0:22:10.840 --> 0:22:14.800
<v Speaker 3>in Prana House in Thornberry. Now thorn Perry is considered

0:22:14.880 --> 0:22:17.200
<v Speaker 3>a Tier one exposure site, So you're meant to get

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<v Speaker 3>tested and quarantined. For fourteen days now they have not

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<v Speaker 3>been quarantining. And they went on a flight with no mask.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my, this is the thing.

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<v Speaker 2>It takes one fuck quit to ruin it for everyone else.

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<v Speaker 1>I just think this is the.

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<v Speaker 2>Most selfish thing you could do. I mean, I'm sorry,

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<v Speaker 2>how difficult is it to just whack a mask on? So?

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<v Speaker 2>Can I ask? Were they unaware? So they were traveling

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<v Speaker 2>before all of the lockdown was mentioned.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, So they were traveling on the Monday, and the

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<v Speaker 3>state went into lockdown at twelve eleven fifty nine on Thursday,

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<v Speaker 3>so there was definitely signs that there were COVID cases happening.

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<v Speaker 3>And of course, you know, people have to try when

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<v Speaker 3>they're traveling on a plane, you have to wear a mask.

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<v Speaker 3>So they have actually believe said that they haven't they

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<v Speaker 3>needed a medical exemption when they don't. And they went

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<v Speaker 3>on to say that that medical medical exemption was that

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<v Speaker 3>they don't believe in bullshit?

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<v Speaker 2>Don't I show you how important it is to wear

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<v Speaker 2>a mask on a plane though, the fact that they

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<v Speaker 2>were at these two exposure sites and they're all calling

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<v Speaker 2>it bullshit on their insta stories. Well, it's just shut

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<v Speaker 2>down Melbourne, so it's clearly not bullshit.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll just wrap things up.

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<v Speaker 2>I am so interested to see how the event with Sophie,

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<v Speaker 2>Keasia and Emilu is going to unfold. On Saturday night,

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<v Speaker 2>they are having a Q and A, so I do

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<v Speaker 2>wonder whether they are going to have questions about COVID.

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<v Speaker 2>Well that's all we've got time for today. Thank you

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