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Speaker 1: This is Outspoken.

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Speaker 2: The podcast is not afraid to say exactly what you're thinking.

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Speaker 1: Our names are Amy Kate and Sophie Torba.

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Speaker 2: We're identical triplets, but we often don't have identical opinions,

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Speaker 2: so sometimes things can get heated. Outspoken covers all things

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Speaker 2: reality TV, influencers, entertainment, and issues facing women.

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Speaker 1: That is so fat.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Welcome back to Friday's episode of Outspoken. It

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Speaker 2: is so weird because Sophie and I are here together,

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Speaker 2: But Kate, you're on zoom all the way in Corimandel Valley.

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Speaker 1: You couldn't be bothered to come and join us.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I mean I could be bothered. But we just

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Speaker 2: thought this might save a little bit of time so

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Speaker 2: I don't have to drive around for like two hours.

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Speaker 2: So so far, so good. I hope it's actually recording

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Speaker 2: properly because I feel like I'm quite comfortable recording this

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Speaker 2: now in my bedroom. Well, let's get straight into the

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Speaker 2: social dilemma. And this one has been inspired by Courtney

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Speaker 2: Kardashian and Scott Disick. So, for those who don't know,

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Speaker 2: Courtney has been dating Blink one two drummer Travis Barker,

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Speaker 2: and Scott has got a new younger girlfriend. Her name

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Speaker 2: is Amelia Gray Hamlin. She's nineteen and she's the daughter

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Speaker 2: of one of the housewives on the Real Housewives of

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Speaker 2: to dinner with Scott and Amelia, and people were speculating.

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Speaker 1: That this was a very, very awkward date.

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Speaker 2: So gossip site des Moir they posted a photo. They

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Speaker 2: and one person made one hell of a comment. They wrote,

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Speaker 2: it's so odd to me, like, what does the two

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Speaker 2: ass people. I know that dinner was awkward as hell.

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Speaker 2: So what's happened is Travis Barker has seen this post

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Speaker 2: this dinner was awkward as I mean, I don't even

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Speaker 2: think it's just the age difference that's awkward. It's the

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Speaker 2: fact that you're on a double date with two pp

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Speaker 2: Like it would be so bloody awkward. And then you

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Speaker 2: couple that with the fact that Travis is a forty

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Speaker 2: he could be So it got us thinking, what is

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Speaker 2: everyone's thoughts on actually having a double date with your ex?

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Speaker 2: Is this something you guys would do? Is this something you.

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Speaker 1: Would contemplate if you had children with somebody?

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Speaker 2: I think no, no, But I think the fact that

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Speaker 2: and so it is nice to see that they are

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Speaker 2: I feel like I'm quite a petty person, and I

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Speaker 2: year old girlfriend. Kate, you've been in some awkward situations

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Speaker 2: recently because you keep getting invited to events that.

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Speaker 1: You're with your fiance. Now your fiance X is that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well she hasn't turned up to any of them,

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Speaker 3: So I feel like that's kind of speaks volumes that

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Speaker 3: I think that's just an awkward thing that no one

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Speaker 2: You just want to pretend that person doesn't exist.

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Speaker 3: It is I mean, this isn't This isn't a first

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Speaker 2: Courtney invited was it Sofia Richie on the holiday? Recent

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Speaker 3: And it was funny because it was Sofia Richie that

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Speaker 2: Is that because you do in those situations?

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Speaker 2: But that's what's awkward as well, because the new series

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Speaker 2: in our outspoken Facebook community, So tell us, would you

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Speaker 2: Sophie Kasha and Emmy lu McCarthy have been slammed for

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Speaker 3: Well, the pair left Melbourne under the guys that they

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Speaker 3: So originally this Perth event was meant to be held

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Speaker 2: What's really clear here that the organizers are set to

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Speaker 3: Included in that two hundred and forty nine dollars ticket

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Speaker 2: That gooody bag. Yeah, and a bit of COVID maybe beside.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, so, Sophie, can you tell us about who

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Speaker 3: Well, I feel like Sam Mangan's always got a very

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Speaker 2: Is what Emma's saying.

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Speaker 2: Now. As I said, this didn't really sit well with me.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and what about that? With technology? Could they not

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Speaker 3: she's held seminars that have been called irresponsible by the

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Speaker 3: Australian Medical Association. And she's even been called a public

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Speaker 3: health threat. Now, Taylor continues to claim that she does

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Speaker 3: not encourage non vaccination, but rather informed consent and.

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Speaker 2: Freedom of choice.

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Speaker 3: So on Monday, the twenty fourth of May, just before

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Speaker 3: Melbourne went into lockdown, Taylor shared a photo of her

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Speaker 3: and her husband not wearing a mask on the plane.

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Speaker 3: She captured the post peacefully flying to Melbourne and back

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Speaker 3: mask free because we have a medical exemption and it's

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Speaker 3: called we are allergic to bullshit. We were the ones.

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Speaker 3: We were the only ones on the plane breathing unrestricted,

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Speaker 3: So much easier advocating for your rights when flying in

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Speaker 3: your own country and speaking English. This pissed me off

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Speaker 3: so much because it gets even worse. It ends up

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Speaker 3: that these guys were posting basically where they were going

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Speaker 3: on their trip to Melbourne, and they actually were in

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Speaker 3: two hotspots. So they visited a restaurant in Brunswick, which

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Speaker 3: is Brunswick is actually considered a Tier two hot spot,

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Speaker 3: so basically you're told you have to get tested and

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Speaker 3: isolate until you have your results. And they were also

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Speaker 3: in Prana House in Thornberry. Now thorn Perry is considered

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Speaker 3: a Tier one exposure site, So you're meant to get

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Speaker 3: tested and quarantined. For fourteen days now they have not

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Speaker 3: been quarantining. And they went on a flight with no mask.

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Speaker 1: Oh my, this is the thing.

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Speaker 2: It takes one fuck quit to ruin it for everyone else.

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Speaker 1: I just think this is the.

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Speaker 2: Most selfish thing you could do. I mean, I'm sorry,

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Speaker 2: how difficult is it to just whack a mask on? So?

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Speaker 2: Can I ask? Were they unaware? So they were traveling

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Speaker 2: before all of the lockdown was mentioned.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So they were traveling on the Monday, and the

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Speaker 3: state went into lockdown at twelve eleven fifty nine on Thursday,

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Speaker 3: so there was definitely signs that there were COVID cases happening.

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Speaker 3: And of course, you know, people have to try when

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Speaker 3: they're traveling on a plane, you have to wear a mask.

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Speaker 3: So they have actually believe said that they haven't they

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Speaker 3: needed a medical exemption when they don't. And they went

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Speaker 3: on to say that that medical medical exemption was that

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Speaker 3: they don't believe in bullshit?

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Speaker 2: Don't I show you how important it is to wear

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Speaker 2: a mask on a plane though, the fact that they

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Speaker 2: were at these two exposure sites and they're all calling

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Speaker 2: it bullshit on their insta stories. Well, it's just shut

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Speaker 2: down Melbourne, so it's clearly not bullshit.

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Speaker 1: We'll just wrap things up.

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Speaker 2: I am so interested to see how the event with Sophie,

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Speaker 2: Keasia and Emilu is going to unfold. On Saturday night,

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Speaker 2: they are having a Q and A, so I do

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Speaker 2: wonder whether they are going to have questions about COVID.

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Speaker 2: Well that's all we've got time for today. Thank you

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