WEBVTT - BIG Return 😃 Moore Forward 🙌 Simmo Gone 😔 0:00:06.240 --> 0:00:08.600 Hey, Legends walking back to the Mason cockshow a lot 0:00:08.680 --> 0:00:11.880 to cover on this one. There is a Brownlow favorite 0:00:11.920 --> 0:00:14.520 that might be losing his chance of winning the whole 0:00:14.560 --> 0:00:15.800 thing we're gonna talk about. 0:00:15.800 --> 0:00:18.400 Also, Dimma dropped an a F bomb. Whoa. 0:00:18.560 --> 0:00:20.119 That was a bit of a story this week. And 0:00:20.160 --> 0:00:22.160 also there's a few injuries we need to go through 0:00:22.160 --> 0:00:24.920 because the league is seeing a few go down. We're 0:00:24.960 --> 0:00:27.200 going to get into that much much more starting on 0:00:27.200 --> 0:00:28.760 the podcast right now. 0:00:34.080 --> 0:00:36.240 All right, Legends, We've got a big episode. 0:00:36.320 --> 0:00:39.560 So starting off as we always do, welcome Brandon. 0:00:40.080 --> 0:00:42.160 I want to jump into my clanger because this week 0:00:42.159 --> 0:00:46.680 I'm clanging myself, so ripped the band aid office talk. 0:00:46.680 --> 0:00:49.239 Trash all last week or a fresh one. 0:00:49.280 --> 0:00:50.680 I went pretty hard last week. 0:00:50.800 --> 0:00:52.920 I've had the flu, so I don't know if you 0:00:53.040 --> 0:00:55.360 might be able to hear me wheezing over here, but 0:00:55.760 --> 0:00:58.560 I reckon I can blame that for last week's aggression. 0:00:58.680 --> 0:01:01.000 It was very aggressive. This week, I'm bringing the zen 0:01:01.600 --> 0:01:05.039 a lot more positivity. So I clang myself because last 0:01:05.040 --> 0:01:09.040 week I said Saint Kilda was the most boring ticket 0:01:09.120 --> 0:01:12.160 in town. I heard you, yeah, and then they came 0:01:12.200 --> 0:01:15.840 out and beat Sydneys Ones by two points in what 0:01:16.120 --> 0:01:21.640 was quite the blockbuster holding on. But I will say 0:01:21.959 --> 0:01:25.040 a bit of like defending myself, and it's similar. I'll 0:01:25.040 --> 0:01:26.800 put them in the same boat. We've got a boat, 0:01:27.280 --> 0:01:28.840 and we're going to put them in the boat, and 0:01:28.880 --> 0:01:31.440 we're going to put Freemantle in the boat and say, 0:01:31.959 --> 0:01:33.200 look at this, look at this. 0:01:33.360 --> 0:01:33.600 Right. 0:01:34.040 --> 0:01:39.520 When you play exciting fast footy, you win, and it's 0:01:39.520 --> 0:01:42.399 a much more enjoyable game. People buy the tickets. It's 0:01:42.400 --> 0:01:44.959 an entertainment sport. We all go along, we're all happy. 0:01:45.760 --> 0:01:50.200 When you play the other shit that you play sad, slow, depressing, 0:01:50.280 --> 0:01:54.280 defensive crap, you don't win and no one's enjoying it. 0:01:54.360 --> 0:01:58.400 So let's just we'll play fast, We'll play exciting. I'll 0:01:58.400 --> 0:02:01.240 get behind Saint Kilda. I'm always behind Freeman. I love 0:02:01.320 --> 0:02:04.320 the Purple Mist or whatever the hell they are. 0:02:04.360 --> 0:02:06.400 The Purple miss love it out there, the. 0:02:06.360 --> 0:02:06.920 Old heave ho. 0:02:07.800 --> 0:02:10.840 But yeah, so I'm clanging myself for saying that the 0:02:11.040 --> 0:02:13.000 most boring ticket in town if they play like they 0:02:13.000 --> 0:02:15.080 played on the weekend, Yeah, sign me up. 0:02:15.080 --> 0:02:16.639 I'm getting a ticket. I'm going down there. 0:02:16.919 --> 0:02:17.519 The membership. 0:02:17.520 --> 0:02:20.920 I don't I don't like those to the. 0:02:20.960 --> 0:02:23.800 Foot I like watching in the safe space of my 0:02:23.840 --> 0:02:24.959 own little house. 0:02:24.680 --> 0:02:27.040 But cracking vbs O, the people will. 0:02:26.919 --> 0:02:29.680 Start going and it'll be good anyway. What's your clanger 0:02:29.760 --> 0:02:30.120 this week? 0:02:30.440 --> 0:02:33.200 No, I must preface this with I do have a 0:02:33.240 --> 0:02:36.359 massive amount of love and respect for cheer squads around 0:02:36.400 --> 0:02:38.359 the league, not just calling Woods cheer squads, but. 0:02:38.320 --> 0:02:39.600 Everyone, because what are you doing? 0:02:39.680 --> 0:02:42.440 They do a fantastic job, whether it be carrying those 0:02:42.440 --> 0:02:45.000 big pom poms that make no damn sense, behind the 0:02:45.080 --> 0:02:47.399 calls that looks like it's one hundred years old, we're 0:02:47.440 --> 0:02:49.600 making custom signs. There's some beautiful things I do right, 0:02:49.919 --> 0:02:53.600 but there's one sign in general that they've kind of 0:02:53.680 --> 0:02:56.520 messed up here and there and over the weekend. I 0:02:56.560 --> 0:02:59.239 hate to call them out, but the Richmond Tigers cheer 0:02:59.280 --> 0:03:02.320 squad a little bit of a debacle with their banner, 0:03:02.360 --> 0:03:05.040 you could say. Now, don't get me wrong, rainy day, 0:03:05.320 --> 0:03:08.000 bit of wind, not great for a banner, right. 0:03:08.000 --> 0:03:11.520 Not especially something that's made of paper, right. Not great. 0:03:12.000 --> 0:03:14.480 Over the weekend though, it was just scattered. 0:03:14.520 --> 0:03:16.400 It looked like a chess board by the time they 0:03:16.400 --> 0:03:18.200 had kind of gotten out there and we're about to 0:03:18.280 --> 0:03:19.800 run through it and I think everyone has a bit confused. 0:03:19.840 --> 0:03:21.000 Not we've had this experience. 0:03:21.120 --> 0:03:22.919 Run twenty eighteen, we had a you know, it's a 0:03:22.960 --> 0:03:25.600 very famous banner that just disintegrated the middle of air 0:03:25.639 --> 0:03:27.320 and you know, Bucks was kind enough to hug the 0:03:27.400 --> 0:03:30.000 cheer squad member and you know, a very lovely experience. 0:03:30.000 --> 0:03:31.000 Obviously, I was a bit confused. 0:03:31.040 --> 0:03:33.480 We're walking out thinking, oh, maybe we're doing a combined 0:03:33.520 --> 0:03:36.880 one or something. I'm not really sure that one pretty 0:03:36.880 --> 0:03:38.280 big ban on that one. Yeah, we got it right 0:03:38.320 --> 0:03:40.040 in twenty twenty three though, you don't worry about that. 0:03:40.520 --> 0:03:42.680 But yeah, that's that's gonna be my clanger of the week. 0:03:42.760 --> 0:03:45.600 It's a it's a it's a love love thing, right. 0:03:45.680 --> 0:03:47.280 I'm trying to put it enough a lot about there, 0:03:47.320 --> 0:03:48.920 just because I know it's a it's not an easy 0:03:48.960 --> 0:03:51.000 thingcause a lot of people are giving their their free 0:03:51.080 --> 0:03:53.200 time to make these things. And we appreciate them as players, 0:03:53.240 --> 0:03:55.320 we really do. I still kind of think it's funny 0:03:55.360 --> 0:03:56.880 they grown in run through a banner be four game 0:03:57.080 --> 0:03:59.320 and seeing with Whims school tune after in a whole huddle. 0:03:59.360 --> 0:04:01.280 But we're going to move on to that. 0:04:01.360 --> 0:04:02.680 We're going to move on from that and get into 0:04:02.720 --> 0:04:04.840 the results, because there's plenty of I'll go on a 0:04:04.960 --> 0:04:07.520 ramble about, but let's go straight into the games. 0:04:07.640 --> 0:04:07.800 Now. 0:04:08.000 --> 0:04:09.520 I was going to be nice this week, and you've 0:04:09.560 --> 0:04:12.120 already come out and clang the nice people that give 0:04:12.200 --> 0:04:14.760 up their free time to make the create paper banner. 0:04:14.800 --> 0:04:19.240 Did you not hear my preface, which means I could 0:04:19.320 --> 0:04:21.120 say after. 0:04:20.920 --> 0:04:23.479 It, Yeah, don't get offended. That's one of those ones. 0:04:23.480 --> 0:04:27.400 Don't get offended. But na results this week, we'll skip 0:04:27.440 --> 0:04:30.919 over the Collingwood game. North Melbourne got the win over 0:04:30.960 --> 0:04:33.320 your Gold Coast sons. We'll have to talk about that 0:04:33.360 --> 0:04:38.240 because Dimmer wasn't happy. Port Melbourne absolutely demolished the Western Bulldogs. 0:04:38.560 --> 0:04:40.080 Port Melbourne Football Club. 0:04:41.800 --> 0:04:44.640 Port Melbourne Football Club might have beaten the Western Bulldogs 0:04:44.680 --> 0:04:47.080 given what they dished up for Port Adelaide back on 0:04:47.120 --> 0:04:47.960 their winning ways. 0:04:48.440 --> 0:04:50.039 Geelong beat Hawthorne. 0:04:50.360 --> 0:04:52.839 That was that was a big win because I thought, 0:04:52.960 --> 0:04:56.279 you know, Hawthorne might have got there. GWS got the 0:04:56.360 --> 0:04:59.200 chocolates against Carlton, but it looks, you know, a bit 0:04:59.320 --> 0:05:00.920 touch and go Freemantle. 0:05:00.960 --> 0:05:02.120 Big win over Richmond. 0:05:02.160 --> 0:05:06.160 Expected that Melbourne got the chocolates over West Coast, big win. 0:05:06.320 --> 0:05:10.159 Expected that Saint Kildom, most exciting ticket in town, got 0:05:10.160 --> 0:05:13.680 the dub over the Sydney Swans, and Brisbane got the 0:05:13.720 --> 0:05:14.920 job done against Adelaide. 0:05:14.920 --> 0:05:16.839 But Adelaide, you know, they took. 0:05:16.640 --> 0:05:18.479 The fight up to him. So what are the big 0:05:18.520 --> 0:05:22.400 talking points. Well, we can't go past Isaac Heeney and 0:05:22.480 --> 0:05:26.400 his little backfist to Jimmy Webster. Now, Jimmy Webster has 0:05:26.400 --> 0:05:29.600 had his own indiscretions, so you think you might get 0:05:29.600 --> 0:05:31.320 a free pass for that one, but no, you can't 0:05:31.400 --> 0:05:35.440 hit anyone. So it's not a tit for tit for tat? Yeah, 0:05:36.080 --> 0:05:39.760 can I can I say? Can I say tit? On 0:05:39.800 --> 0:05:43.240 the podcast this earlier we're going to get demonetized. Fut 0:05:43.360 --> 0:05:45.720 let's jump into it because you know, it is what 0:05:45.760 --> 0:05:47.440 it is at the moment where we stand, and as 0:05:47.440 --> 0:05:50.120 we're recording this, he's got one week. No doubt they'll 0:05:50.200 --> 0:05:53.200 challenge that one. But as we've seen in the past, 0:05:53.520 --> 0:05:57.760 these Brownlow medalists normally get a favorable decision when it's 0:05:57.760 --> 0:06:02.800 taken to the tribunal. Do you feel like that's an 0:06:02.839 --> 0:06:06.720 actual tangible thing. Do brown Low favorites get looked after 0:06:06.800 --> 0:06:08.120 when they take it to the tribune. 0:06:09.360 --> 0:06:10.719 I think what will happen. 0:06:10.760 --> 0:06:13.160 Most likely is the team will do anything and everything 0:06:13.200 --> 0:06:15.960 within their power to try to change it. So you 0:06:16.040 --> 0:06:17.680 talk about like going to the m RO right, they 0:06:17.760 --> 0:06:20.159 definitely challenged that, and then you know they might challenge 0:06:20.160 --> 0:06:21.720 the challenge. I'm not sure how many times you can 0:06:21.760 --> 0:06:23.159 do this, but I've seen it before in the past 0:06:23.200 --> 0:06:25.599 where somehow you can get legal people involved and then 0:06:25.680 --> 0:06:28.040 challenge the challenge from a perspective of that, and then 0:06:28.080 --> 0:06:31.240 someone else gets involved. So you know, it's a massive 0:06:31.320 --> 0:06:33.520 ordeal to have a Brown Law medalist play at your 0:06:33.520 --> 0:06:35.360 club and be able to have a season like he's having. 0:06:35.400 --> 0:06:37.719 So I think from their standpoint, they're going to do 0:06:37.760 --> 0:06:41.560 anything and everything in their capabilities to make sure that 0:06:41.920 --> 0:06:45.599 he doesn't get a week do. I think probably, based 0:06:45.640 --> 0:06:50.080 on other situations that have happened this year, the AFL's 0:06:50.200 --> 0:06:52.800 ruling would probably be adjudicate a week and that's what 0:06:52.839 --> 0:06:55.560 they've decided. So I think that's pretty on brand. But 0:06:56.040 --> 0:06:57.839 you know, we've seen these things happen. It's going to 0:06:57.839 --> 0:06:59.960 be an interesting little MRO case. It was he kind 0:06:59.960 --> 0:07:02.720 of swung back and then apologized right away. He kind 0:07:02.760 --> 0:07:05.520 of he knew he'd done stuffed up. Yeah, he knew it. 0:07:05.520 --> 0:07:07.599 As soon as he did it, he was like, ah shit. 0:07:08.040 --> 0:07:08.280 Yeah. 0:07:08.320 --> 0:07:10.400 He looked down as to almost be like, oh, can 0:07:10.440 --> 0:07:12.440 I help you up? I also need to go get 0:07:12.440 --> 0:07:14.080 the footy at the same time he did. 0:07:14.240 --> 0:07:16.640 Yeah, yeah, he kicked the goal. It was an important goal. 0:07:17.040 --> 0:07:19.080 So the first thing that always pops to my mind 0:07:19.160 --> 0:07:22.040 in these circumstances are the Patrick Crips situation. 0:07:22.760 --> 0:07:25.960 But that was like Carlton's They need to hark Carlton's lawyer. 0:07:26.040 --> 0:07:27.600 That's the number one thing they should be doing, is 0:07:27.600 --> 0:07:28.480 Colent and that guy. 0:07:28.640 --> 0:07:30.960 Yeah, so maybe it's a bit of favoritism, but maybe 0:07:30.960 --> 0:07:35.160 it's also teams try extra hard when they're there. Absolute 0:07:35.240 --> 0:07:37.800 marquee players need to be getting off. 0:07:37.880 --> 0:07:40.360 So it's a wait and see on that one. 0:07:40.480 --> 0:07:43.920 But normally the thing that rolls out of these circumstances 0:07:44.040 --> 0:07:48.720 are they will get off. Inevitably, these Brownlow favorites will 0:07:48.760 --> 0:07:51.240 get off, and then it turns into a bit of 0:07:51.280 --> 0:07:53.920 a shambles down the line because a plan not in 0:07:53.960 --> 0:07:56.920 contention for the Brownlow will pretty much do the identical 0:07:57.000 --> 0:07:58.480 thing and get rubbed out for weeks. 0:07:59.120 --> 0:08:01.760 So I think just stand by. 0:08:01.760 --> 0:08:08.040 For that because it's it's it's not really, it's always inevitability. 0:08:08.080 --> 0:08:11.040 There's no exception to the rule. It's always it happens. 0:08:11.080 --> 0:08:14.000 You'll watch next week, someone will have a backswinging and 0:08:14.080 --> 0:08:16.640 it'll be you know, the same thing all over again. 0:08:17.400 --> 0:08:19.800 But I think out of these because we've had you know, 0:08:20.000 --> 0:08:23.680 Harley Reid, We've had Sam Darcy be rubbed out for 0:08:24.240 --> 0:08:28.080 the contention for the Rising Star. We've got Heni now 0:08:28.400 --> 0:08:31.480 temporarily rubbed out at least for the Brown Low. Do 0:08:31.520 --> 0:08:34.800 you think we should keep the fairest elements to all 0:08:34.840 --> 0:08:37.160 of these awards and medals or should we be removing 0:08:37.200 --> 0:08:40.960 that so we get the you know, the truest definition 0:08:41.000 --> 0:08:43.760 of the best player, and the best young player gets 0:08:43.800 --> 0:08:45.719 the award even if they've been rubbed out for a 0:08:45.760 --> 0:08:46.280 week or two. 0:08:46.400 --> 0:08:48.360 Yeah, I mean there's two other awards you look at. 0:08:48.400 --> 0:08:51.319 It's like the coaches MVP and the AFL players MVP. Right, 0:08:51.360 --> 0:08:53.480 So it's I'm voted on by the players and voted 0:08:53.520 --> 0:08:56.560 on by the coaches, And I wish those were held 0:08:56.679 --> 0:08:59.800 with you know, a bit of a more respect in 0:08:59.880 --> 0:09:01.640 that sense, you know, because I think like obviously everyone 0:09:01.679 --> 0:09:03.439 looks to the brown and says, oh, that's the best player. 0:09:03.480 --> 0:09:06.080 You know, but whenever you're adjudicated by your peers and 0:09:06.160 --> 0:09:08.679 opposition coaches in that sense, and you're decided to be 0:09:08.720 --> 0:09:11.040 the best player, I feel like that has a bit 0:09:11.080 --> 0:09:14.280 more pool and a lot more legitimacy in a sense 0:09:14.280 --> 0:09:16.960 of a player's mind because you look at I mean, 0:09:17.280 --> 0:09:19.560 I've said this before as like umpires, you know, hopefully 0:09:19.640 --> 0:09:22.839 they're umpiring, not adjudicating who's the best player on the field, right, 0:09:23.360 --> 0:09:26.320 And I think the fairest part I understand, Like I 0:09:26.360 --> 0:09:28.600 totally get that. I've always been a fan of you know, 0:09:28.720 --> 0:09:31.319 the best part of a best in fairest should be 0:09:31.400 --> 0:09:33.559 an independent review panel, whether it be made up of 0:09:33.600 --> 0:09:35.240 people from the media, whether it be made up of 0:09:35.240 --> 0:09:38.000 people that you know are involved in football, wherever it is. 0:09:38.480 --> 0:09:41.440 But I think the fairest part should be umpires, and 0:09:41.640 --> 0:09:43.760 there should be maybe the head of umpiring should be 0:09:43.800 --> 0:09:45.600 adjudicating whether or not someone suspended. 0:09:45.640 --> 0:09:47.280 Maybe maybe that's a bit smarter. 0:09:47.360 --> 0:09:51.240 Someone that's actually making the rules and upholding them within 0:09:51.520 --> 0:09:53.720 the game should probably be the person that's probably adjudicating 0:09:53.720 --> 0:09:56.840 whether someone should be suspended or not. But instead we 0:09:56.920 --> 0:10:00.320 choose this independent review panel who I don't even think 0:10:00.360 --> 0:10:03.520 anyone really knows who's made up of and they decide 0:10:03.520 --> 0:10:07.240 whether or not a player was malicious and a certain act. Right, 0:10:07.360 --> 0:10:10.040 So I find it interesting that that's the way it's 0:10:10.080 --> 0:10:14.000 adjudicated here. I've never quite understood or like really gotten 0:10:14.080 --> 0:10:16.880 why they do it that way. But I always thought 0:10:16.960 --> 0:10:19.520 the umpire should deal with the fairest and then the 0:10:19.600 --> 0:10:22.480 best part should be an independent review panel that's involved 0:10:22.520 --> 0:10:23.440 in the footy industry. 0:10:23.880 --> 0:10:26.720 Yeah, so what you're saying is instead of the MRO. 0:10:28.200 --> 0:10:32.160 Adjudicating like who should be suspended and who shouldn't, the 0:10:32.280 --> 0:10:37.120 umpires should be adjudicating who's getting suspended for what during 0:10:37.120 --> 0:10:37.600 the season. 0:10:37.840 --> 0:10:38.400 Yeah. I think so. 0:10:38.480 --> 0:10:40.800 I think there's a head of umpiring that person should 0:10:40.840 --> 0:10:42.480 be looking at vision and everything else and seeing this 0:10:42.520 --> 0:10:44.280 stuff behind the play and stuff that people might get 0:10:44.280 --> 0:10:47.600 suspended for. Adjudicating that and if someone wants to challenge it, 0:10:48.000 --> 0:10:50.080 what does a challenge do? They go to a court case, 0:10:50.080 --> 0:10:52.079 which is the m RO to figure out whether or 0:10:52.120 --> 0:10:54.400 I should go. I don't know if that sounds too 0:10:54.480 --> 0:10:59.760 logical world. You know, it's something that I've always found 0:10:59.760 --> 0:11:02.120 in mad because you look at the MRO and how 0:11:02.120 --> 0:11:04.720 many people are involved. I've been to one of them myself, 0:11:05.080 --> 0:11:07.000 and the amount of people and lawyers that get involved 0:11:07.000 --> 0:11:10.240 in people that are not probably cheap per the hour. 0:11:10.520 --> 0:11:11.079 Tribunal. 0:11:11.200 --> 0:11:15.200 Yeah, sorry, the tribunal. I find it amazing. That's still 0:11:15.240 --> 0:11:17.560 the way and the most efficient way I think to 0:11:17.640 --> 0:11:19.520 be able to like, surely you just use someone that's 0:11:19.559 --> 0:11:22.120 hired within the AFL. You don't go and probably pay 0:11:22.120 --> 0:11:24.880 people an hourly ready to go be a judge on 0:11:24.920 --> 0:11:27.960 a fake court case about something that's happened in sport 0:11:28.000 --> 0:11:30.600 who isn't really involved in the sport anymore. 0:11:31.000 --> 0:11:31.800 It is so weird. 0:11:31.880 --> 0:11:34.480 It's such an odd way of it's like getting it together. 0:11:34.559 --> 0:11:36.160 It's like a fake little court case. 0:11:36.200 --> 0:11:37.280 It is a fake court case. 0:11:37.480 --> 0:11:38.120 That's weird. 0:11:38.240 --> 0:11:40.520 Like I went in there, like I didn't swear in 0:11:40.600 --> 0:11:43.200 whenever I went in, but I got treated as if 0:11:43.200 --> 0:11:46.120 I was a fucking criminal on that joint for two 0:11:46.200 --> 0:11:48.480 and a half hours. And we knew what it was 0:11:48.520 --> 0:11:50.320 going to be before we even got in there. Yeah, 0:11:50.400 --> 0:11:51.920 and they told us the way it was going to 0:11:52.160 --> 0:11:53.679 end up, and we still had to go through two 0:11:53.720 --> 0:11:55.959 and a half hours of just absolutely getting reamed by 0:11:55.960 --> 0:11:58.480 some guy, yes, no questions, as if I had committed 0:11:58.480 --> 0:11:59.240 a murder. 0:11:58.960 --> 0:12:01.640 If it's a fake, they should at least give it 0:12:01.679 --> 0:12:05.080 the judge duty treatment, like you should have like a 0:12:05.120 --> 0:12:08.600 little famous judge in there with the hammer and the curls. 0:12:08.640 --> 0:12:10.880 And we turned it into a bit of a thing 0:12:11.000 --> 0:12:14.280 because I've been in like I was on the journal 0:12:14.440 --> 0:12:16.400 side of things, and you've got to sit out in 0:12:16.440 --> 0:12:19.280 that cold little hallway with your camera waiting for people 0:12:19.320 --> 0:12:21.559 to come out, and you have no idea how long 0:12:21.559 --> 0:12:23.560 it's going to take, and you're waiting because you want 0:12:23.600 --> 0:12:25.040 to just go and eat dinner and stuff. 0:12:25.080 --> 0:12:27.199 You got Tom Brown just like tweeting the whole thing 0:12:27.240 --> 0:12:29.160 out and you're like, what are we doing. 0:12:31.120 --> 0:12:32.000 Put a camera in there. 0:12:32.040 --> 0:12:36.120 It's not a real we don't need to follow real 0:12:36.200 --> 0:12:38.280 laws because it's not a real thing. 0:12:38.920 --> 0:12:41.040 That's so stupid, the whole thing so dumb. 0:12:41.120 --> 0:12:43.400 But anyway, we'll move on because we could talk about 0:12:43.400 --> 0:12:47.240 that all night. But Logan McDonald, this is unfortunate, but 0:12:48.040 --> 0:12:50.600 you know, he put himself in the right position, right place, 0:12:50.640 --> 0:12:52.800 for right time, just not the right result for him 0:12:52.840 --> 0:12:55.319 and the Sydneys Ones. But two weeks in a row 0:12:55.360 --> 0:12:58.600 he's had a chance to potentially win the game. One 0:12:58.679 --> 0:13:01.400 was after the siren last where he missed a point, 0:13:01.440 --> 0:13:05.400 missed a lot. He needed a point to draw goal 0:13:05.440 --> 0:13:09.560 to win. Missed the lot this week, a little bit closer, 0:13:09.600 --> 0:13:14.120 a little bit straighter, better kick got his point this week. 0:13:14.600 --> 0:13:17.680 Turn the positives. Yeah, he's just a very positive man. 0:13:19.280 --> 0:13:21.280 He needed the goal, though this week he couldn't get 0:13:21.320 --> 0:13:24.199 the points. He got the point, unfortunately, couldn't get his 0:13:24.240 --> 0:13:28.000 team across the line. Uh do you like that he was? 0:13:28.160 --> 0:13:30.400 He was pretty confident going back and having a crack 0:13:30.440 --> 0:13:32.960 at goal. Like what does that take mentally to be 0:13:33.000 --> 0:13:35.560 able to go back and try to shake those demons? 0:13:35.600 --> 0:13:37.840 The only the only way to shake those demons from 0:13:37.880 --> 0:13:40.320 the week before is to do it again. And like 0:13:40.360 --> 0:13:42.560 he got the opportunity and like unfortunately it didn't kind 0:13:42.559 --> 0:13:45.040 of pan out, but like the only way to shake demons, 0:13:45.040 --> 0:13:47.559 I think in that sense is you know, obviously practice 0:13:47.800 --> 0:13:51.959 getting comfortable in that stress, stressful scenario. But I mean 0:13:52.000 --> 0:13:54.520 it's it's back to back weeks. Like that's just like 0:13:54.960 --> 0:13:57.080 phenomenal to think that the same person is taking the 0:13:57.120 --> 0:14:00.240 same kick essentially on one week and then the very 0:14:00.280 --> 0:14:04.000 next week. So it was tough to see because you 0:14:04.040 --> 0:14:05.679 kind of want that feel good story of like, hey man, 0:14:05.720 --> 0:14:07.080 you had rough week last week, and you know you 0:14:07.160 --> 0:14:08.840 kicked it this week and you had an absolute gun 0:14:08.880 --> 0:14:12.000 and you know, unfortunately he was able to put it through. 0:14:12.040 --> 0:14:14.640 But you've got to look at things in a positive light, right, 0:14:14.720 --> 0:14:17.040 Like the fact that he was you know, did the 0:14:17.120 --> 0:14:19.240 work to be able to be given that chance and 0:14:19.280 --> 0:14:21.120 that circumstance and be able to try and win the 0:14:21.120 --> 0:14:25.000 game for your team is a positive within itself, you know. 0:14:25.120 --> 0:14:27.440 I think you've got to have that mentality and say, look, 0:14:27.880 --> 0:14:30.400 you know you can hit this shot. You know that's 0:14:30.440 --> 0:14:34.960 within your repertoire, and you're getting the opportunities. All it 0:14:35.040 --> 0:14:36.720 is just a matter of you're finishing and like I know, 0:14:36.760 --> 0:14:40.600 that's a lot easier said than done, but it's just 0:14:40.680 --> 0:14:42.920 repetition and feeluncomfortable on your skim whenever you're in that 0:14:43.000 --> 0:14:43.960 high pressure situation. 0:14:44.240 --> 0:14:45.680 It was cool that he took the shot. 0:14:46.040 --> 0:14:49.640 Hopefully, I think Horse said one day he'll get it 0:14:49.760 --> 0:14:51.520 and he'll kick it and he'll be able to feel 0:14:51.520 --> 0:14:52.200 good about him and. 0:14:52.240 --> 0:14:55.040 The boys will lose their mind so nuts, I'll love it, 0:14:55.080 --> 0:14:55.400 all right. 0:14:55.440 --> 0:14:57.680 So we'll move on because we're back on the merry 0:14:57.720 --> 0:15:01.000 go round of which coach should get the sacks? Because 0:15:01.000 --> 0:15:04.480 we talk about it each week. We've had Chris Fagan 0:15:05.640 --> 0:15:07.600 at the start of the year. Now look how much 0:15:07.640 --> 0:15:10.120 he's turned it around. We've had Luke Beverage over the year. 0:15:10.160 --> 0:15:13.240 We had Ken Hinckley just last couple of weeks ago. 0:15:13.320 --> 0:15:15.120 Now he's won two in a row. So they're looking 0:15:15.160 --> 0:15:17.480 for someone else. They're talking about Adam Simpson this week 0:15:17.520 --> 0:15:19.960 with the poor West Coast Eagles after having so much 0:15:19.960 --> 0:15:23.520 success over his career and now they're going. 0:15:23.360 --> 0:15:24.520 Through a bit of a struggle patch. 0:15:24.560 --> 0:15:27.520 They actually we've been pretty competitive through the middle part 0:15:27.520 --> 0:15:30.280 of the year, but you know, it's a long, long season. 0:15:31.480 --> 0:15:33.520 I just want to look at all of these coaches 0:15:33.560 --> 0:15:37.400 in general and think that some of these coaches are 0:15:37.440 --> 0:15:40.280 around for ten plus years and give a lot to 0:15:40.360 --> 0:15:42.760 these clubs. Obviously they take a wage from it, but 0:15:44.400 --> 0:15:46.680 you've been in the four walls. It's so much more 0:15:46.760 --> 0:15:50.240 than just a job. You have to be live, you 0:15:50.320 --> 0:15:52.880 have to be all in on it, and it trains 0:15:52.960 --> 0:15:56.440 you emotionally, spiritually, mentally, physically. 0:15:57.480 --> 0:15:58.520 There's got to be a way. 0:15:59.120 --> 0:16:03.080 And this is Tom opening up the floor to a 0:16:03.160 --> 0:16:07.520 discussion of who you asking is. Yeah, I just think 0:16:07.560 --> 0:16:11.160 of these like awesome, like coaches, especially premiership coaches that 0:16:11.240 --> 0:16:13.440 bring so much to a club that there's got to 0:16:13.440 --> 0:16:17.440 be like an amicable way to you know, end a 0:16:17.520 --> 0:16:20.120 time at a club where you can celebrate a coach. 0:16:20.280 --> 0:16:22.160 I think it's always hard whenever you win a premiership 0:16:22.160 --> 0:16:25.440 as a coach, because then that becomes your bar. Yeah, right, 0:16:25.480 --> 0:16:27.920 So then as a coach, everyone says, look, if you 0:16:27.920 --> 0:16:30.560 don't win a premiership, then it's an unsuccessful season because 0:16:30.600 --> 0:16:32.080 we know you can do it. We've seen you do 0:16:32.120 --> 0:16:34.200 it before. So it's it's one of those things I 0:16:34.200 --> 0:16:36.400 think as a coach, it's it's got to be tough 0:16:36.480 --> 0:16:39.320 because like obviously it's a bit of a cyclical thing 0:16:39.360 --> 0:16:41.560 with players that come through. You have like experienced players 0:16:41.600 --> 0:16:42.960 that you've built up and then you have to kind 0:16:42.960 --> 0:16:45.240 of revamp it. And it's like it's never you can 0:16:45.240 --> 0:16:46.920 try to get the young players to come through and 0:16:47.080 --> 0:16:48.840 like be consistently good at the time of the whole time. 0:16:48.880 --> 0:16:51.200 But it's it's actually quite tough, Like everyone goes in cycles. 0:16:51.240 --> 0:16:52.640 Like you look at what Richmond's having to go through 0:16:52.680 --> 0:16:55.000 at the moment, you know, after losing Jack and Trent 0:16:55.040 --> 0:16:57.520 and all that, like they've kind of now have to 0:16:57.560 --> 0:16:59.440 restructure a bit and then try to get some people 0:16:59.480 --> 0:17:02.120 with experience to be the leaders of that team. And 0:17:02.720 --> 0:17:04.760 it's just one of those things that happens. And like you, 0:17:04.760 --> 0:17:06.639 you know, I take it from my standpoint of what 0:17:06.640 --> 0:17:10.280 I've experienced with Box mid season, and yeah, like you said, 0:17:10.280 --> 0:17:12.560 it was it was a bit of a celebration for 0:17:12.600 --> 0:17:13.080 that week. 0:17:13.880 --> 0:17:16.600 But I mean, how many years did he coach there? Eight, eight, 0:17:16.880 --> 0:17:20.800 nine years or something like that. It's a fair tunk 0:17:20.840 --> 0:17:21.840 of your life to give up. 0:17:21.920 --> 0:17:24.000 And it's not like I don't think people understand kind 0:17:24.040 --> 0:17:27.320 of the time and the hours and the mental capacity 0:17:27.320 --> 0:17:29.600 you have to have to do a head coaching job. 0:17:29.680 --> 0:17:31.440 Like I think every week you having to talk to 0:17:31.480 --> 0:17:33.399 probably ten people and breaking their hearts saying, look, you're 0:17:33.440 --> 0:17:36.320 not playing AFL this week, and you have the beauty 0:17:36.320 --> 0:17:38.000 of saying, you know, you're playing your first game and 0:17:38.040 --> 0:17:40.400 things like that too. But to try to keep those 0:17:40.440 --> 0:17:43.600 people on the edge still motivated, even though you have 0:17:43.640 --> 0:17:45.680 to give them bad news on a consistent basis is 0:17:45.720 --> 0:17:47.880