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Speaker 1: Good morning everybody. Welcome to the Daily OS. It is Thursday,

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Speaker 1: the tenth of March. We're making our way through the week, Zara.

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Speaker 1: Today we're going to break down the differences between the

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Speaker 1: state and federal government responsibilities in relation to the flood recovery.

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Speaker 1: Super interesting point. I'm going to put on my legal

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Speaker 1: hat and talk through it. But first, what's the latest

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Speaker 1: from the bloods.

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Speaker 2: Yesterday Prime Minister Scott Morrison declared the floods in New

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Speaker 2: South Wales and Queensland as a national emergency, which he

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Speaker 2: said will ensure our ministers and agencies don't face any

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Speaker 2: unnecessary bureaucracy as they roll out what communities need. Morrison

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Speaker 2: will formally ask Governor General David Hurley to make the

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Speaker 2: declaration on Friday.

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Speaker 1: US President Joe Biden and UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson

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Speaker 1: have announced both nations will stop importing Russian oil amid

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Speaker 1: Russia's invasion into Ukraine. Johnson explained the decision is quote

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Speaker 1: another economic blow to the Putin regime following their illegal

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Speaker 1: invasion of Ukraine.

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Speaker 2: Both legislative bodies in Florida have passed the Parental Rights

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Speaker 2: in Education Bill, which is also known as the Don't

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Speaker 2: Say Gay Bill. The bill restricts teachers from talking about

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Speaker 2: sexuality and gender identity in the classroom, and it's now

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Speaker 2: in the hands of Governor Ron DeSantis. If DeSantis signs

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Speaker 2: the bill into law, it's expected to come into effect

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Speaker 2: as of the first of July this year.

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Speaker 1: And your good news today is brought to you by

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Speaker 1: in them and the contributions they will make for their

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Speaker 1: families and the future of our great state.

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Speaker 3: Are you embarrassed that ordinary Australians are having to do

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Speaker 3: so much work in this Ordinary Australians are having to

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Speaker 3: get themselves to remote areas in their dinghies, wading through

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Speaker 3: flood waters to help people, to take them food and

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Speaker 3: to make sure they're a right No.

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Speaker 4: Cot, I mean, that's the Australian spirit. That's what you

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Speaker 4: and I would do for our neighbors, and so that's

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Speaker 4: what people do to do that for so, no, I'm

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Speaker 4: not embarrassed, but I'm not embarrassed by that, and the

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Speaker 4: ADF is doing it, and I'm just not going to

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Speaker 4: criticism of the ADF.

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Speaker 2: That was Federal Defense Minister Peter Dunden talking to Koshi

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Speaker 2: on Sunrise about the role of the army in flood relief.

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Speaker 2: It's been a hot button issue at the moment. State

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Speaker 2: and federal governments have come under criticism from flood affected

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Speaker 2: locals about the level of assistance they've been provided. So

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Speaker 2: today we are going to give you a bit of

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Speaker 2: background on whose job it is to clean up after

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Speaker 2: a flood or any other natural disaster. Samuel Kozlowski, TDA

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Speaker 2: spoke to a law professor today, and you happen to

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Speaker 2: have a law degree, So tell me what's the state

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Speaker 2: government's job in a disaster and what's the federal government's

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Speaker 2: job in a disaster.

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Speaker 1: I am so happy you brought up my degree that

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Speaker 1: I spent a long time for and am now not

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Speaker 1: really using. Let's use it right now. One way to

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Speaker 1: think about this situation is this, the federal government handles

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Speaker 1: external threats, the state government handles internal threats. It is

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Speaker 1: a little bit more complicated, of course, as these things

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Speaker 1: always are, but in the most basic terms, that's the

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Speaker 1: traditional split. So what do I actually mean by that, Well,

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Speaker 1: think about the resources they have to mobilize in an emergency.

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Speaker 1: State governments operate police ambulances, the fire brigade, and most

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Speaker 1: relevant to our context today, the sees. So they're the

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Speaker 1: ones with the tools to respond to something like a

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Speaker 1: flood or a bushfire, and they're the ones who send

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Speaker 1: people out onto the ground to assess the situation and

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Speaker 1: coordinate the response.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so that's the state government. Talk me through the FEDS.

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Speaker 1: So the federal government operates the army, the Navy, the

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Speaker 1: air force, the border force, the kind of forces that

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Speaker 1: normally respond to an external threat, like in the event

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Speaker 1: of a foreign invasion or a cyber attack. Perhaps the

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Speaker 1: army doesn't normally get brought into carry trees off a road,

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Speaker 1: just like you wouldn't the police into a war zone.

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Speaker 1: They're very different roles, and that is why the states

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Speaker 1: are predominantly in charge of emergency responses. They have the

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Speaker 1: tools ready, but the army can help. There are constitutional

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Speaker 1: limits to be considered. Traditionally, the army can only brought

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Speaker 1: in when a state government requests it specifically, but the

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Speaker 1: state is the one here that's calling the shots. But

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Speaker 1: that has just changed. After the Bushfires of twenty nineteen,

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty, the federal government brought in new powers to

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Speaker 1: declare a national emergency and in this case, to deploy

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Speaker 1: the army and other emergency powers without needing a state

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Speaker 1: first time yesterday, and we're going to talk a little

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Speaker 1: bit more about what that actually means.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So before we get to that announcement, talk us

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Speaker 2: through the timeline of the responses to these floods. You

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Speaker 2: and I were getting a lot of dms on the

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Speaker 2: and what they wanted. What are the state government done

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Speaker 2: on the ground, and what has the federal government done.

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Speaker 1: I think it's important here to split up Queensland and

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Speaker 1: New South Wales. So in Queensland they've been working together

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Speaker 1: quite effectively. The Queensland Government and its emergency teams coordinated

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Speaker 1: the response. They're requested help from the army. The federal

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Speaker 1: government sent the army in and both the federal government

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Speaker 1: and the Queensland government have spoken very positively about how

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Speaker 1: they've cooperated. In New South Wales, it has been a

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Speaker 1: different story. For one thing, New South Wales Premier Dominique

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Speaker 1: Perite has not declared a state of emergency. He says

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Speaker 1: that his advice is that it's not necessary. Of course,

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Speaker 1: hasn't given it the title of an official emergency that

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Speaker 1: might pave the way for a larger scale army response.

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Speaker 1: The army has been in there. There are now hundreds

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Speaker 1: of personnel in the Northern rivers and there are some

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Speaker 1: on standby in Sydney, but they've been a little slower

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Speaker 1: to mobilize, and the federal government's been saying the difficulty

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Speaker 1: Army is awaiting instructions from the New South Wales Emergency

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Speaker 1: Response about how and where to deploy.

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Speaker 2: So I imagine that's the place of the federal government

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Speaker 2: and that's where they come in, right.

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Speaker 1: This is where this announcement comes into the story. Scott

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Speaker 1: Morrison has said he will cut through the red tape

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Speaker 1: to use his new emergency powers. Keep in mind that

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Speaker 1: because this is the first time these powers have been activated,

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Speaker 1: it's not totally clear what this actually does in practice.

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Speaker 1: So we spoke to a constitutional law professor, Eryl Saunders,

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Speaker 1: and she agreed that it wasn't really clear why we

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Speaker 1: and federal governments couldn't coordinate on the response, and that

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Speaker 1: she acknowledged it would be chaos if they didn't coordinate.

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Speaker 1: And I think it's fair to say that the ins

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Speaker 1: and outs of the constitution don't actually matter a great

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Speaker 1: deal to flood victims on the ground. A lot of

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Speaker 1: people in Lismore and malam Miimbi, some of whom we've

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Speaker 1: just want help. They just want all the governments to

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Speaker 1: help with all the resources they have. New South Wales

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Speaker 1: Premier Dominiq Perite has apologized for gaps in his state's response.

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Speaker 1: He says he recognizes some of the residents felt abandoned,

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Speaker 1: and Scott Morrison is clearly signaling that he intends to

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Speaker 1: do more with this emergency declaration. He even made a

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Speaker 2: Okay, so we've talked about the response on the ground,

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Speaker 2: what about the financial response. There are of course, people

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Speaker 2: who have lost homes, lost livelihoods, what support's available for

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Speaker 2: them from government, whatever level that may be.

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Speaker 1: So for this one, financial support is clearly more of

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Speaker 1: a federal responsibility. States certainly contribute, but the Feds are

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Speaker 1: the ones with the huge bank account and the infrastructure

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Speaker 1: to get it into people's pockets quickly. But the Feds

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Speaker 1: infrastructure that actually is needed to put the money into

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Speaker 1: people's pockets. So the main payment that's available here is

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Speaker 1: the disaster relief payment. It's a thousand bucks per adult

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Speaker 1: and four hundred dollars per child that was made available

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Speaker 1: across Queensland and you say Wales last week and it's

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Speaker 1: just been made available again in Lismore and the Northern

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Speaker 1: Rivers for another two weeks. There's also disaster allowance to

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Speaker 1: replace lost income and that goes for up to thirteen weeks.

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Speaker 1: But there's been calls to do more. There's two federal

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Speaker 1: government MPs, Warren Engscht and Kevin Hogan. They represent flood

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Speaker 1: affected areas and they're calling for the government to subsidize

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Speaker 1: insurance for people who live in flood affected areas. Insurance

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Speaker 1: premiums tend to be higher in dangerous areas, and there's

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Speaker 1: been a lot of reports for flood victims who say

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Speaker 1: they weren't actually able to afford insurance before the floods

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Speaker 1: because it was so expensive to be ensured where they live.

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Speaker 1: So these MPs are calling for these premiums to be

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Speaker 1: compensated by the federal government. Then there's also this Emergency

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Speaker 1: Response Fund, and this has come up in questions now

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Speaker 1: comments a lot this week, and rightfully so. It's kind

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Speaker 1: of this big chunk of money. It's five billion dollars

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Speaker 1: that's sitting there, but none of it has been spent

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Speaker 1: so far. The d Emergency Management Minister, Bridget mackenzie said

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Speaker 1: last week that governments weren't planning at least when she

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Speaker 1: made those comments to spend the money from the fund

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Speaker 1: on the floods. She said, it's there as this last

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Speaker 1: resort when all other options have been exhausted. So there's

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Speaker 1: a couple of areas here where more money is being

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Speaker 1: requested and there's certainly going to be a growing focus

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Speaker 1: on this question, in particular overfunding over the next few

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Speaker 2: That's all we have time for today on the Daily OS,

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Speaker 2: but if you want to keep up to date on

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Speaker 2: what is happening in those flood affected regions, head over

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Speaker 2: hundred thousand ozses get their news every day, and we'd

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Speaker 2: love to have you over there. Have a brilliant Thursday,