1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:03,239 Speaker 1: Good morning and welcome to Tuesday. It is the seventh 2 00:00:03,240 --> 00:00:06,439 Speaker 1: of September. I'm Zara and I'm joined by Sam Kozowski, 3 00:00:06,519 --> 00:00:08,600 Speaker 1: co founder of the Dahlias, to take you through the 4 00:00:08,680 --> 00:00:11,520 Speaker 1: day's news. Just their heads up before we start today, 5 00:00:11,560 --> 00:00:14,120 Speaker 1: we're going to start rattling off the COVID numbers before 6 00:00:14,120 --> 00:00:16,759 Speaker 1: we begin the day's stories. There won't be a story 7 00:00:16,800 --> 00:00:19,840 Speaker 1: in and of themselves anymore. It'll just be a quick 8 00:00:19,920 --> 00:00:23,400 Speaker 1: checkof as to what's happening in each lockdown state. So 9 00:00:23,480 --> 00:00:25,759 Speaker 1: on that note, yesterday in Victoria there were two hundred 10 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:27,960 Speaker 1: and forty six cases. In New South Wales there were 11 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:30,800 Speaker 1: one two hundred and eighty one cases, and in the 12 00:00:30,840 --> 00:00:32,680 Speaker 1: Act there were eleven cases. 13 00:00:33,600 --> 00:00:37,279 Speaker 2: Yesterday, Victorian Minister for Housing Richard Wynn announced a new 14 00:00:37,360 --> 00:00:40,839 Speaker 2: rental relief program for Victorian residents who have lost income 15 00:00:40,920 --> 00:00:44,600 Speaker 2: during lockdowns and are struggling to pay rent. Ultimately, it 16 00:00:44,680 --> 00:00:47,120 Speaker 2: means that eligible renters will have a one off payment 17 00:00:47,159 --> 00:00:50,159 Speaker 2: of up to fifteen hundred dollars supplied directly to their 18 00:00:50,240 --> 00:00:53,240 Speaker 2: landlord to cover their rent for our Victorians. To find 19 00:00:53,280 --> 00:00:55,640 Speaker 2: out if you're eligible for this program, head over to 20 00:00:55,680 --> 00:00:58,040 Speaker 2: our Instagram and look at our Instagram Stories. There's a 21 00:00:58,040 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 2: swipe up link in there for you. 22 00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:03,120 Speaker 1: We are now on day two of the National Women's 23 00:01:03,160 --> 00:01:07,240 Speaker 1: Safety Summit, which began virtually on Monday morning. If you're 24 00:01:07,240 --> 00:01:09,639 Speaker 1: not across what the summit is, it was announced earlier 25 00:01:09,680 --> 00:01:12,720 Speaker 1: this year after former Liberal staffer Britney Higgins alleged she 26 00:01:12,760 --> 00:01:15,680 Speaker 1: had been raped inside Parliament House. The purpose of the 27 00:01:15,720 --> 00:01:19,080 Speaker 1: summit is to bring together advocates, experts, survivors and other 28 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:22,600 Speaker 1: stakeholders to help inform what's called the National Plan, and 29 00:01:22,600 --> 00:01:25,800 Speaker 1: that's to reduce violence against women and children. Yesterday the 30 00:01:25,840 --> 00:01:29,039 Speaker 1: Prime Minister gave an opening address and it's anticipated that 31 00:01:29,080 --> 00:01:31,800 Speaker 1: today will bring together much more of that National Plan. 32 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:35,640 Speaker 2: Soldiers in Guinea, which is a country in western Africa, 33 00:01:35,720 --> 00:01:39,600 Speaker 2: have claims to ousted long serving President Alpha Condi. The 34 00:01:39,720 --> 00:01:43,600 Speaker 2: Army units head Mamadi Deumbuya said we have dissolved government 35 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:48,120 Speaker 2: and institutions. Dumbuyas cited poverty and endemic corruption as the 36 00:01:48,200 --> 00:01:51,960 Speaker 2: driving force for a moving Condy from office. Condy's whereabouts 37 00:01:51,960 --> 00:01:55,880 Speaker 2: remain unclear, but on Sunday, an unauthenticated video was posted 38 00:01:55,880 --> 00:01:59,400 Speaker 2: by Reuters depicting Condy in a room surrounded by army 39 00:01:59,440 --> 00:02:00,200 Speaker 2: Special Force. 40 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:03,920 Speaker 1: Since today's good news is that yesterday three year old 41 00:02:03,960 --> 00:02:07,520 Speaker 1: Anthony aj Elflak, who had been missing since Friday, was 42 00:02:07,600 --> 00:02:11,639 Speaker 1: found safely. Aj who has autism and is nonverbal, had 43 00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:14,240 Speaker 1: last been seen at midday on Friday by his brother 44 00:02:14,320 --> 00:02:17,040 Speaker 1: at the family's rural property in Patty, New South Wales, 45 00:02:17,040 --> 00:02:21,359 Speaker 1: but authorities gave the good news at around midday yesterday. 46 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:27,360 Speaker 1: For today's deep dive, we are chatting to someone who 47 00:02:27,440 --> 00:02:31,360 Speaker 1: has had the unenviable job of reporting every day of 48 00:02:31,480 --> 00:02:35,240 Speaker 1: Victoria's long winded COVID journey over the last eighteen months. 49 00:02:35,840 --> 00:02:40,200 Speaker 1: Jackie Felgate has become something of an influencer on Instagram 50 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:44,520 Speaker 1: because she provides such easily accessible COVID updates at all 51 00:02:44,639 --> 00:02:46,720 Speaker 1: hours of the day. I had a chat with Jackie 52 00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:51,160 Speaker 1: yesterday about how Victorians should look ahead and how reporting 53 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:55,280 Speaker 1: about COVID will be changing in the immediate future. Here's 54 00:02:55,320 --> 00:02:58,359 Speaker 1: yesterday's chat with Jackie. So we are recording this on 55 00:02:58,440 --> 00:03:01,400 Speaker 1: the day that Victoria has recorded two one hundred and 56 00:03:01,440 --> 00:03:03,960 Speaker 1: forty six new cases, which is obviously not the news 57 00:03:04,040 --> 00:03:06,040 Speaker 1: any Victorian wants to be hearing. 58 00:03:06,720 --> 00:03:08,720 Speaker 3: Jackie, You've been covering this for a very long time. 59 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:12,280 Speaker 1: Now, what do you think Victorians need to be focusing 60 00:03:12,280 --> 00:03:15,720 Speaker 1: on focusing their attention on It can be a bit debilitating, 61 00:03:15,720 --> 00:03:16,040 Speaker 1: can't it. 62 00:03:16,720 --> 00:03:19,320 Speaker 4: I think it's exhausting for everyone. But do you know what, 63 00:03:19,520 --> 00:03:22,200 Speaker 4: I think we need to almost move away from the 64 00:03:22,280 --> 00:03:25,080 Speaker 4: daily case numbers. I think Sydney's very much done that, 65 00:03:25,240 --> 00:03:27,680 Speaker 4: but I guess with Victoria having been in lockdown so 66 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:30,440 Speaker 4: many times, the daily case numbers are almost like a 67 00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:33,119 Speaker 4: morning ritual. Everybody, no matter who you are, you look 68 00:03:33,160 --> 00:03:35,680 Speaker 4: them up and your mood of the day can sometimes 69 00:03:35,720 --> 00:03:37,480 Speaker 4: be or how the numbers are going. So when you 70 00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:40,000 Speaker 4: get the numbers today, which are obviously really disappointing, it 71 00:03:40,040 --> 00:03:42,400 Speaker 4: can really make you feel just flat. And also you know, 72 00:03:42,440 --> 00:03:44,800 Speaker 4: what have we done wrong? We haven't actually done anything wrong, 73 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:46,560 Speaker 4: but you think you know what has gone wrong here? 74 00:03:46,880 --> 00:03:48,960 Speaker 4: But you've got to look at the vaccination numbers now, 75 00:03:48,960 --> 00:03:50,520 Speaker 4: and I do you really think that one thing that 76 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:53,000 Speaker 4: Sydney has done well. New South Wales has done well 77 00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:55,800 Speaker 4: is to turn that conversation to there, because it certainly 78 00:03:56,120 --> 00:03:58,160 Speaker 4: makes us all feel a little bit more positive when 79 00:03:58,200 --> 00:04:01,200 Speaker 4: we feel like we're more in control, and simply by 80 00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:03,520 Speaker 4: getting a vaccination, then you promise that there is a 81 00:04:03,560 --> 00:04:05,960 Speaker 4: path out of this. And I did read something really 82 00:04:05,960 --> 00:04:08,800 Speaker 4: interesting recently, which was you need to be kinder on yourself, 83 00:04:08,800 --> 00:04:10,800 Speaker 4: but you also need to be proud, especially if you 84 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:13,520 Speaker 4: are a Victorian and think we actually did do so 85 00:04:13,640 --> 00:04:16,080 Speaker 4: well last year. We prevented so many people from sick 86 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:18,720 Speaker 4: and so many people from dying, So when everyone feels 87 00:04:18,720 --> 00:04:21,120 Speaker 4: a little flat, we did a great job, even holding 88 00:04:21,160 --> 00:04:22,480 Speaker 4: it to the level that it is now. 89 00:04:22,640 --> 00:04:24,560 Speaker 1: I want to pick up on something you said about 90 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:27,640 Speaker 1: not paying attention to the daily cases. I saw you 91 00:04:27,680 --> 00:04:30,920 Speaker 1: put up an Instagram poll and we did a similar thing, 92 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:34,080 Speaker 1: and I was quite shocked at for us, at least, 93 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:36,719 Speaker 1: it was a resounding yes. People still wanted that case 94 00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:38,880 Speaker 1: number every day, and I saw in your poll that 95 00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:41,680 Speaker 1: it was quite similar. How do you work with the 96 00:04:41,680 --> 00:04:44,200 Speaker 1: fact that people want to be informed but it might 97 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:45,920 Speaker 1: not necessarily be the most helpful thing. 98 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:48,000 Speaker 4: Oh, I couldn't agree with you more, But you know 99 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:50,640 Speaker 4: what I think is helpful. Knowledge is power, and if 100 00:04:50,720 --> 00:04:53,800 Speaker 4: you know how it affects people's mental health, then yes, 101 00:04:53,839 --> 00:04:56,520 Speaker 4: for some people living without the numbers, that's the best 102 00:04:56,520 --> 00:04:58,200 Speaker 4: thing for their mental health. But for a lot of 103 00:04:58,200 --> 00:05:01,840 Speaker 4: people having knowledge and understanding what the numbers mean, because 104 00:05:01,839 --> 00:05:04,160 Speaker 4: when we also do the numbers, we remember some of 105 00:05:04,200 --> 00:05:06,279 Speaker 4: them are linked, some of them are not linked. And 106 00:05:06,320 --> 00:05:09,120 Speaker 4: I do remember one particular day in the last way 107 00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:11,760 Speaker 4: when the government tweeted out a really big jump in numbers, 108 00:05:11,800 --> 00:05:13,400 Speaker 4: like they'd gone from something like we had two or 109 00:05:13,440 --> 00:05:15,599 Speaker 4: three cases, and they jumped up to thirty seven cases, 110 00:05:15,880 --> 00:05:20,159 Speaker 4: and people were beside themselves, they were so upset. And 111 00:05:20,200 --> 00:05:21,720 Speaker 4: then when you looked at it, it turned out that 112 00:05:21,720 --> 00:05:23,800 Speaker 4: thirty five or thirty seven or whatever it was were 113 00:05:23,839 --> 00:05:26,480 Speaker 4: actually in isolation the whole time. So that's a great 114 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:30,240 Speaker 4: example of information being power and information actually helping people 115 00:05:30,520 --> 00:05:31,200 Speaker 4: to get through this. 116 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:34,080 Speaker 1: I think it looks like in Victoria the strategy has 117 00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:37,320 Speaker 1: changed recently. The premiers announced that they're not really going 118 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:40,640 Speaker 1: to be getting back to zero anytime soon. So as 119 00:05:40,760 --> 00:05:44,360 Speaker 1: a newsreader or a news consumer, how do you then 120 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:47,080 Speaker 1: consume the day's news, What do you do with that 121 00:05:47,200 --> 00:05:50,640 Speaker 1: information and how should it I mean, if we're looking 122 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:53,680 Speaker 1: for optimism, because everyone wants a nice note, what can 123 00:05:53,760 --> 00:05:55,000 Speaker 1: Victorians be looking ahead to? 124 00:05:55,640 --> 00:05:58,720 Speaker 4: Victorians can be looking ahead to a Christmas with their 125 00:05:58,760 --> 00:06:02,000 Speaker 4: families if they get vaccinated. It's a really simple message. 126 00:06:02,040 --> 00:06:04,960 Speaker 4: It's a message to the government keeps on repeating and 127 00:06:05,400 --> 00:06:07,600 Speaker 4: is enough to sway a lot of people's minds as well. 128 00:06:07,640 --> 00:06:10,000 Speaker 4: If you're thinking you don't want a vaccine, when you 129 00:06:10,040 --> 00:06:12,160 Speaker 4: need a vaccine passport to go to the footy, or 130 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:14,000 Speaker 4: to go to the cricket, or to go to any 131 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:17,480 Speaker 4: public place and eventually to travel, I think you'll find 132 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:19,599 Speaker 4: that a lot of people that perhaps are anti vacs 133 00:06:19,920 --> 00:06:22,040 Speaker 4: are somehow not so anti vax down the track when 134 00:06:22,080 --> 00:06:24,240 Speaker 4: it means that they can live their life normally. And 135 00:06:24,279 --> 00:06:26,600 Speaker 4: I think that it's for us as journalists and as 136 00:06:26,640 --> 00:06:30,839 Speaker 4: news broadcasters, it's really important that we remember to focus 137 00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:33,640 Speaker 4: on the positives as well, because news can be completely 138 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:36,599 Speaker 4: overwhelming and exhausted. I know some days I get home 139 00:06:36,640 --> 00:06:38,680 Speaker 4: and I just feel like, oh, I just can't I 140 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:40,440 Speaker 4: just can't listen to any more of these I think 141 00:06:40,480 --> 00:06:42,839 Speaker 4: everyone feels like that. But then if you do look 142 00:06:42,880 --> 00:06:44,279 Speaker 4: at some of the good things to go. Look, the 143 00:06:44,320 --> 00:06:46,960 Speaker 4: rest of the world has high vaccination rates, and they 144 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:49,039 Speaker 4: are living with COVID as tough as it is, and 145 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:51,720 Speaker 4: obviously it's not the situation we wanted to be in, 146 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:53,880 Speaker 4: but it is the situation that we're in. So I 147 00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:56,359 Speaker 4: think we really need to focus on just getting to 148 00:06:56,400 --> 00:06:59,440 Speaker 4: that seventy percent, that eighty percent vaccination rate. Today in 149 00:06:59,520 --> 00:07:02,200 Speaker 4: Victoria it's around sixty percent. It's not that long ago. 150 00:07:02,279 --> 00:07:04,599 Speaker 4: It's a couple of weeks and then you'll see that, 151 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:06,599 Speaker 4: you know, we will be able to attend events and 152 00:07:06,640 --> 00:07:08,320 Speaker 4: we will be able to see our families again. And 153 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:09,920 Speaker 4: I think that's a really great goal to have. 154 00:07:10,200 --> 00:07:11,960 Speaker 1: I think a lot of people, and we see this 155 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:16,080 Speaker 1: coming into our comment section, are worried about shifting sign posts. 156 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:18,360 Speaker 1: That we are being told that you know, we're going 157 00:07:18,440 --> 00:07:20,120 Speaker 1: to open up at this, at this, and yet there 158 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:24,920 Speaker 1: is seemingly different goalposts for different states. I've also seen 159 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:27,679 Speaker 1: quite a bit of interstate rivalry, and not the healthy kind, 160 00:07:27,720 --> 00:07:29,400 Speaker 1: between New South Wales and Victoria. 161 00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:30,920 Speaker 3: So what are your thoughts on that. 162 00:07:31,280 --> 00:07:33,920 Speaker 4: I think it's the Western Australian It's fascinating, isn't it. 163 00:07:33,960 --> 00:07:37,080 Speaker 4: The Western Australian government and how they're choosing to run 164 00:07:37,120 --> 00:07:39,440 Speaker 4: their pandemic. But we also need to imagine if we 165 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:42,280 Speaker 4: were in their shoes, what would we do. It's really 166 00:07:42,320 --> 00:07:44,280 Speaker 4: easy for us to sit here in Melbourne and Sydney 167 00:07:44,320 --> 00:07:45,800 Speaker 4: and say let me come to Perth. I want to 168 00:07:45,840 --> 00:07:47,400 Speaker 4: go to Perth. I want to go to Brisbane. But 169 00:07:47,560 --> 00:07:50,240 Speaker 4: as a Victorian, we'll remember how when we were in lockdown, 170 00:07:50,280 --> 00:07:52,440 Speaker 4: the rest of the nation went and lived their lives 171 00:07:52,480 --> 00:07:55,600 Speaker 4: for a good twelve months. Now that new Sothwalzer in 172 00:07:55,600 --> 00:07:58,640 Speaker 4: that same situation as well, how tough it actually was. 173 00:07:58,760 --> 00:08:01,640 Speaker 4: And you can't wish that anyone. And you can absolutely 174 00:08:01,760 --> 00:08:05,040 Speaker 4: understand from a political point of view, but also from 175 00:08:05,080 --> 00:08:08,160 Speaker 4: a community point of view, why many people in Wa 176 00:08:08,360 --> 00:08:10,560 Speaker 4: don't want to open up and they're quite supportive of 177 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:13,200 Speaker 4: the Mark McGowan policy. But at the same time we're 178 00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:15,800 Speaker 4: one country, you know, Federation is there for a reason 179 00:08:15,920 --> 00:08:18,000 Speaker 4: and unless we decide to go in our separate way, 180 00:08:18,520 --> 00:08:21,080 Speaker 4: it's a fascinating political debate. How it's played out and 181 00:08:21,120 --> 00:08:23,320 Speaker 4: how I guess. One of the things I think we've 182 00:08:23,320 --> 00:08:25,960 Speaker 4: all found surprising is how much power premiers actually have. 183 00:08:26,880 --> 00:08:29,400 Speaker 4: I think before this pandemic none of us realized that, 184 00:08:29,640 --> 00:08:31,760 Speaker 4: in fact, the Prime Minister doesn't seem to have as 185 00:08:31,840 --> 00:08:33,640 Speaker 4: much power as you think, and actually it really does 186 00:08:33,720 --> 00:08:34,520 Speaker 4: rest with the states. 187 00:08:34,960 --> 00:08:36,960 Speaker 1: A lot of our audience might not have even known 188 00:08:37,040 --> 00:08:39,480 Speaker 1: the name of their premier or chief minister prior to 189 00:08:39,520 --> 00:08:42,080 Speaker 1: this all unfolding. And I do want to just quickly 190 00:08:42,120 --> 00:08:45,880 Speaker 1: talk about how we're consuming information. Your following has just 191 00:08:46,040 --> 00:08:50,040 Speaker 1: grown exponentially because people really take to the no bullshit 192 00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:53,200 Speaker 1: that you are uploading. People just want stats, and so 193 00:08:53,360 --> 00:08:55,040 Speaker 1: what do you think it is? Do you think that 194 00:08:55,080 --> 00:08:57,680 Speaker 1: this is the way that people will consume information and 195 00:08:57,720 --> 00:08:59,119 Speaker 1: new specifically moving. 196 00:08:58,840 --> 00:09:01,880 Speaker 3: Forward, have we changed the way journalists communicate now? 197 00:09:02,160 --> 00:09:04,960 Speaker 4: I think you are absolutely right, and I think the 198 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:09,200 Speaker 4: pandemic has actually shown that sometimes we have almost As 199 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:11,440 Speaker 4: I said earlier, information can be overwhelming and if you 200 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:14,320 Speaker 4: can just drill it down to three or four points, 201 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:16,840 Speaker 4: which I think your site does really well as well, 202 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:19,360 Speaker 4: what are the very key things that people need to 203 00:09:19,440 --> 00:09:21,520 Speaker 4: know to live their lives and what is the rest 204 00:09:21,559 --> 00:09:23,200 Speaker 4: of it that they don't actually need to know. So 205 00:09:23,280 --> 00:09:26,000 Speaker 4: every day, because the majority of my followers are in Victoria, 206 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:28,640 Speaker 4: I stopped posting the new South Wales numbers because I 207 00:09:28,640 --> 00:09:31,240 Speaker 4: had a lot of people contact me saying I'm finding 208 00:09:31,240 --> 00:09:33,959 Speaker 4: this overwhelming, these thousand plus cases a day. I'm getting 209 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:36,439 Speaker 4: confused do we really need them? And I thought, do 210 00:09:37,160 --> 00:09:39,400 Speaker 4: I need to post those numbers? Are they making it 211 00:09:39,440 --> 00:09:41,200 Speaker 4: worse for people? And then when I stop, more people 212 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:43,480 Speaker 4: contact to be asking where they were so you know, 213 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:46,480 Speaker 4: you can't win. You can't win. But I think in 214 00:09:46,559 --> 00:09:48,600 Speaker 4: terms of Instagram, I think it's been a bit of 215 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:51,400 Speaker 4: a news void. It's really interesting in terms of our 216 00:09:51,400 --> 00:09:54,720 Speaker 4: traditional media. A lot of young people obviously run their 217 00:09:54,720 --> 00:09:57,960 Speaker 4: lives through Instagram and love it, but perhaps news hasn't 218 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:00,440 Speaker 4: been as prominent on that site until this. And people 219 00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:02,280 Speaker 4: always ask me, oh, why did you start doing it? 220 00:10:02,679 --> 00:10:05,160 Speaker 4: I host the daily dan Press conferences. You're the ones 221 00:10:05,240 --> 00:10:07,760 Speaker 4: with the north faced jacket, and to be honest, face 222 00:10:07,800 --> 00:10:10,360 Speaker 4: sometimes went for two hours and I'd sit there for 223 00:10:10,400 --> 00:10:12,760 Speaker 4: two hours with nothing to do. So I started asking 224 00:10:12,760 --> 00:10:14,480 Speaker 4: people if they had a question if they were at home, 225 00:10:14,520 --> 00:10:16,240 Speaker 4: and I was just shocked by how many people were 226 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:19,920 Speaker 4: actually watching. And from that I started taking questions about it. 227 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:22,600 Speaker 4: And because I was there every day, listening to them 228 00:10:22,600 --> 00:10:24,920 Speaker 4: and writing down and really focusing on it. In my 229 00:10:25,040 --> 00:10:27,120 Speaker 4: job as a newsreader, that's all we talked about, so 230 00:10:27,280 --> 00:10:29,040 Speaker 4: I felt like I was across it and I was 231 00:10:29,040 --> 00:10:31,520 Speaker 4: able to answer the questions for people that sometimes found 232 00:10:31,559 --> 00:10:34,719 Speaker 4: going to the website and going through just this immense 233 00:10:34,800 --> 00:10:37,520 Speaker 4: amount of data about restrictions, if you could just answer 234 00:10:37,640 --> 00:10:39,760 Speaker 4: yes or no for them, really quickly took a bit 235 00:10:39,760 --> 00:10:41,319 Speaker 4: of stress out of their day, and I think that's 236 00:10:41,360 --> 00:10:43,320 Speaker 4: how it then started. And then I just started posting 237 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:45,840 Speaker 4: the stats, and again, I think just keeping it simple, 238 00:10:45,880 --> 00:10:48,480 Speaker 4: it's a great philosophy of journalism, and I think that's 239 00:10:48,480 --> 00:10:50,760 Speaker 4: a great tool of Instagram is you are able to 240 00:10:51,520 --> 00:10:54,120 Speaker 4: just keep it to the basics and give people what 241 00:10:54,160 --> 00:10:57,360 Speaker 4: they need to know. And sometimes its them from having 242 00:10:57,360 --> 00:11:00,000 Speaker 4: to spend hours online looking for something that is actually 243 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:01,679 Speaker 4: making them feel a little more stressed than they need 244 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:01,880 Speaker 4: to be. 245 00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:03,640 Speaker 3: And I just want to finish on something. 246 00:11:03,679 --> 00:11:07,760 Speaker 1: Because you speak about the Dan presses with the north Face, 247 00:11:07,800 --> 00:11:09,920 Speaker 1: it seems like a million years ago, and yet we're 248 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:12,640 Speaker 1: still reporting and talking about the same thing. What's it 249 00:11:12,679 --> 00:11:14,480 Speaker 1: been like for you as a reporter covering this for 250 00:11:14,520 --> 00:11:15,880 Speaker 1: the last eighteen months. 251 00:11:16,160 --> 00:11:18,120 Speaker 4: I've learned so much. I'm thirty nine years old, so 252 00:11:18,160 --> 00:11:19,840 Speaker 4: I don't know if I'm almost out of your demographic 253 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:23,200 Speaker 4: or not. Like I'm hanging in there, I'm hanging them 254 00:11:23,240 --> 00:11:25,199 Speaker 4: trying to be cool. But yeah, I feel like I've 255 00:11:25,280 --> 00:11:27,199 Speaker 4: learned more than I ever have in my career over 256 00:11:27,240 --> 00:11:30,200 Speaker 4: the last eighteen months because I don't think journalism's ever 257 00:11:30,240 --> 00:11:33,559 Speaker 4: been more relevant to the community because we report the news. 258 00:11:33,559 --> 00:11:35,800 Speaker 4: You know, I've worked at so many different places, different 259 00:11:35,800 --> 00:11:39,079 Speaker 4: tally stations and different newspapers, and I feel like sometimes 260 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:40,680 Speaker 4: we can get caught up in our own hype a 261 00:11:40,679 --> 00:11:43,240 Speaker 4: little bit like what we think the public is interested in. 262 00:11:43,640 --> 00:11:46,560 Speaker 4: But with the pandemic, obviously everyone is interested in it 263 00:11:46,600 --> 00:11:50,400 Speaker 4: because it affects everyone's daily lives. And I felt in 264 00:11:50,480 --> 00:11:52,880 Speaker 4: many ways we've been more useful than we've ever been 265 00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:56,160 Speaker 4: because we're able to give people information they really need 266 00:11:56,160 --> 00:11:59,040 Speaker 4: to know every single day. And I think I've actually 267 00:11:59,080 --> 00:12:01,560 Speaker 4: found it. Think what I said earlier, like information could 268 00:12:01,559 --> 00:12:03,400 Speaker 4: be king in a way, and you do feel more 269 00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:05,880 Speaker 4: in control of your situation. And I feel like I've 270 00:12:05,880 --> 00:12:07,960 Speaker 4: got no excuses, you know. I know where my kids 271 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:09,600 Speaker 4: need to be, what they can be doing in terms 272 00:12:09,640 --> 00:12:11,840 Speaker 4: of the restrictions that are said, and I like having 273 00:12:11,840 --> 00:12:14,200 Speaker 4: that knowledge and being able to make sure that you're 274 00:12:14,200 --> 00:12:16,400 Speaker 4: doing the right thing and that you can help people. 275 00:12:16,400 --> 00:12:19,040 Speaker 4: It's actually it's been a wonderful learning experience, but at 276 00:12:19,040 --> 00:12:20,520 Speaker 4: the same time, I can't wait for it to. 277 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:25,040 Speaker 1: Be over that maybe two of us it is monotonous, 278 00:12:25,200 --> 00:12:28,839 Speaker 1: but hopefully, with you know, growing vaccination rates, we're on 279 00:12:28,920 --> 00:12:31,559 Speaker 1: our way out. So all we can say is get vaccinated, 280 00:12:31,600 --> 00:12:34,240 Speaker 1: and then we can all get over this and start 281 00:12:34,280 --> 00:12:35,520 Speaker 1: going back to our normal lives. 282 00:12:35,640 --> 00:12:37,959 Speaker 3: Jackie, thank you so much for your time. Really appreciate it. 283 00:12:38,080 --> 00:12:39,439 Speaker 4: Oh it's my absolute pleasure.