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Speaker 2: Now, the content that chat GPT spits out is only

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Speaker 2: Hello. This is doctor Justin Coulson, the founder of happy

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Speaker 2: Channel nine's Parental Guidance. I'm here with Kylie. Hi, Kylie,

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Speaker 2: And you're not going to say hello to me? I'm

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Speaker 2: here with Kylie. Hi, Kylie.

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Speaker 3: Why you don't want to say hello to me?

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Speaker 2: I don't want to say hello because we've already said

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Speaker 3: You don't want to perform the hello? Hello?

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Speaker 2: Love it? That's so great. We are the parents have

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Speaker 3: And today I'll still listen.

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Speaker 2: They will see that's right, and they will still be

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Speaker 2: So many things to talk about in today's podcast. First

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Speaker 2: talk today about chat GPT.

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Speaker 3: That like General Practitioner, no.

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Speaker 2: No, no, no, I love you said that chat GPT is

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Speaker 2: an AI computer program. Chat GPT is. Well, we'll talk

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Speaker 2: more about it soon, but I think it's the future.

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Speaker 2: I think it's the future of education, it's the future

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Speaker 2: of life on this planet. Maybe. Oh and chat GPT

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Speaker 2: Free webinar.

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Speaker 3: Well, in today's climate, to have anything free is pretty amazing.

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Speaker 2: Free webinar free, it's free, and it's all about being

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Speaker 2: that I wanted to mention just quickly, Kylie. It was

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Speaker 4: There's been a lot going on. I've just finished another book.

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Speaker 4: It actually does have to do with Valentine's. Do you

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Speaker 3: Now, well, I'm interested to know what this chat GPT is.

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Speaker 2: So chat GPT is basically an AI. It's an AI

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Speaker 2: to come back to absolute fundamentals. Make sure that kids

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Speaker 3: So you're suggesting that it kind of just gives you

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Speaker 2: It's here and it's only going to improve, as will

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Speaker 2: That to me is the advantage of chat GPT more

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Speaker 3: Tell me that, Well, you might be able to teach

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