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Speaker 1: The laws that you don't think they should change, and

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Speaker 1: you articulate exactly which ones you don't recock they should change,

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Speaker 1: because I do think our listeners are be keen to

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Speaker 1: hear that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, the NT opposition under selena Ubo have been

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Speaker 2: making that clear. That's their responsibility. What we're doing is

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Speaker 2: making sure that whatever the NT government does is within

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Speaker 2: the law, but more importantly, that it works.

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Speaker 1: So what would you say?

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Speaker 2: So, I'm finding it through this year of action right

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Speaker 2: of the NT government, you know basically, you know, just

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Speaker 2: been seeing how they go. They've got a mandate. People

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Speaker 2: want to see downward pressures on crime, and when those

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Speaker 2: efforts aren't working, I want to see what works. Now.

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Speaker 2: Is it working this tough on crime, putting as many

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Speaker 2: people as you can in jail. Yeah, it's leading to

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Speaker 2: overcrowded jails, But is it working? Is it seeing downward

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Speaker 2: pressure on crime and we're not seeing that I mean,

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Speaker 2: the crime stats don't lie. And when you got people

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Speaker 2: in the community wanting answers on what's going on at

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Speaker 2: their local level and they're not getting it from local

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Speaker 2: MLAs well, I think that's a real problem. That's what

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Speaker 2: I'm referring to. And when the Chief Minister can't say

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Speaker 2: and is actually been mistruthful about what's happening with the

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Speaker 2: youth Engagement Hub in the Northern Suburbs, I think people

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Speaker 2: should worry about that because if we've got the ability

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Speaker 2: to get young people off the streets gainfully have activities

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Speaker 2: and pathways to employment at a site that's already ready

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Speaker 2: to be built, but instead, without community consultation, go to

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Speaker 2: Leana another site and then that's just nuts.

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Speaker 1: Well look, look, I will say you've set the text

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Speaker 1: line alike. People are getting annoyed. You know, there's a

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Speaker 1: lot of victims of crime that obviously feel really passionately

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Speaker 1: about some of those changes coming into play to try

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Speaker 1: and make them safer, and they do feel as though

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Speaker 1: it's making a difference. But I'll read those out after

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Speaker 1: because I do want to actually talk to you about

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Speaker 1: another topic that's that we're keen to know a little

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Speaker 1: bit more about you're pushing for the first I'm not

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Speaker 1: sure if I'm pronouncing it correctly. Magami class frigate acquired

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Speaker 1: by Australia to bear the name Darwin, saying the gesture

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Speaker 1: would pay homage to the remarkable relationship shed between Australia

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Speaker 1: and Japan. Can you talk me through the situation here?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, But to be fair, Katie, I just want to

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Speaker 2: reflect on you. You say that the Texters are texting in

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Speaker 2: and that they aren't happy because they want to see

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Speaker 2: action on crime. I haven't reflected on any of that

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Speaker 2: except to say that they're not doing the basic things

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Speaker 2: that they could be doing in terms of youth engagement.

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Speaker 1: I mean you actually said that there are laws that

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Speaker 1: they shouldn't. You know that you're worried that they've changed

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Speaker 1: that you don't actually think of working. You spoke about

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Speaker 1: the fact that the current opposition themselves honestly, like, I've

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Speaker 1: gone on about these issues of crime for the last

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Speaker 1: eight years, and I think it's a bit sort of

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Speaker 1: for on Deffie is if you feel as though the

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Speaker 1: community hadn't had enough of that crime and that they

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Speaker 1: don't feel as.

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Speaker 2: Happened that said they were going to change.

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Speaker 1: So you guys expected. They expected for the last eight

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Speaker 1: years that we all just sort of stay patient, keep

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Speaker 1: getting broken into remain victims of crime, be held up

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Speaker 1: by machetes and nothing change. Be gaslate felt as though

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Speaker 1: they'll be in gas Lip. But now this, you know,

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Speaker 1: the government's making some changes. And I will say it

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Speaker 1: may swing too far the other way. I don't know

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Speaker 1: whether the pendulum will swing too far the other way,

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Speaker 1: and that we're going to, you know, in a year's

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Speaker 1: time go all right, well, maybe we need to change

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Speaker 1: a few things. But right now people are waiting to

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Speaker 1: see if this actually does make some change.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. So we're year in and I haven't been

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Speaker 2: critical about the anti government. I am now at the

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Speaker 2: end of the first year saying, is what they're doing working?

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Speaker 1: Well, do you know what?

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Speaker 2: That's engagement?

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Speaker 1: We will wait and see. But look, we've run out

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Speaker 1: of time. It's twenty five to ten, so we're going

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Speaker 1: to talk about the Migami ship, but we won't have time.

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Speaker 1: We'll talk to you another time. Thank you so much

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Speaker 1: for joining us.