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Speaker 2: Good morning, and welcome to the Daily os. It's Thursday,

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Speaker 2: the twenty third of November. I'm Sam, I'm Zara. Former

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Speaker 2: Liberal staffer Bruce Lhermon has been in the news over

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Speaker 2: the last two years for a variety of reasons. This week,

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Speaker 2: he's back in the news because he's suing some media

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Speaker 2: alllets for defamation, including the ABC Channel ten and its

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Speaker 3: Now, before we go any further in explaining this story,

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Speaker 3: about this story's developments.

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Speaker 2: Lehmann settled his case with the ABC yesterday morning, but

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Speaker 3: We'll explain how we got here and explain what happens

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Speaker 3: next in today's Peak Dive. But Sam, what's making headlines.

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Speaker 2: Israel and Hamas have agreed to a four day cease

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Speaker 3: The government's new online Safety plan will make social media

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Speaker 2: The CEO of Binance, which is the largest cryptocurrency exchange

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Speaker 3: The good news. Ozzie gymnast Georgia Godwin has had a

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Speaker 3: We will be back again in your ears tomorrow morning.

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