WEBVTT - The Sit-Down with Judy Dalton 0:00:02.320 --> 0:00:04.720 Hi everyone, and welcome to the AO Show. We're back 0:00:04.720 --> 0:00:07.000 with another edition this week of the Sitdown, brought to 0:00:07.040 --> 0:00:10.920 you by me matrolopeofozopen dot Com and Australian Tennis magazine 0:00:10.960 --> 0:00:12.680 editor Viv Christy. How are you, Viv? 0:00:12.880 --> 0:00:15.280 Hey Matt, I'm great, Thank you and it's great to 0:00:15.320 --> 0:00:17.680 be back here with you for the sit Down and 0:00:17.760 --> 0:00:20.400 we have a really special episode this week. You had 0:00:20.400 --> 0:00:23.400 a wonderful chat with a real legend of Australian tennis 0:00:23.400 --> 0:00:24.280 in Judy Dolton. 0:00:24.560 --> 0:00:26.799 Yeah, it was great to chat to her in line 0:00:26.840 --> 0:00:29.000 with the fact that the Charleston Tournament has just finished, 0:00:29.040 --> 0:00:32.360 which is the longest running women's only professional tournament in 0:00:32.400 --> 0:00:35.120 the world and one of the original WTA events back 0:00:35.159 --> 0:00:37.120 from the seventies, and as Judy is a member of 0:00:37.200 --> 0:00:39.200 the Original Nine, it kind of felt great to talk 0:00:39.240 --> 0:00:42.839 to her about that tournament and that story more generally, 0:00:43.360 --> 0:00:45.280 and at the end of the interview it was really lovely. 0:00:45.320 --> 0:00:49.200 She signed off by asking how's Viv going, which is really. 0:00:48.960 --> 0:00:50.080 Soet I love Jude. 0:00:50.360 --> 0:00:52.360 I won't lie, you know, I've known her for many 0:00:52.440 --> 0:00:55.520 years and yeah, I'm just so pleased that the achievements 0:00:55.560 --> 0:00:58.720 of the Original Nine and Judy and her contribution are 0:00:58.720 --> 0:01:04.280 being recognized. So let's hear what she has to say. 0:01:04.920 --> 0:01:07.640 Well, what do you what do you make of the 0:01:07.680 --> 0:01:10.560 toy given it is such an historic event on the 0:01:10.600 --> 0:01:13.440 women's tour, it's quite an important one. Yes, that's where 0:01:13.440 --> 0:01:16.040 they chose it, obviously as the site for your reunion. 0:01:16.080 --> 0:01:17.520 What was it like going there and what was the 0:01:17.680 --> 0:01:19.440 what was the mood of the reunion? What kinds of 0:01:19.440 --> 0:01:20.360 things were celebrated. 0:01:20.880 --> 0:01:24.839 It was very emotional because we hadn't seen each other 0:01:24.880 --> 0:01:29.080 for a long long time. But like I'd seen Bellie 0:01:29.120 --> 0:01:31.399 because you know, i'd seen it wimbled, don't want have you? 0:01:31.640 --> 0:01:38.280 But I hadn't seen Nancy or Christie or Vale or Peachy. 0:01:38.400 --> 0:01:41.679 I hadn't seen any of for ages and ages. And 0:01:41.720 --> 0:01:46.160 it was and Charleston was really lovely because they at 0:01:46.200 --> 0:01:49.800 the tournament, they reserved a room for us, which was 0:01:49.880 --> 0:01:52.760 really nice, so that we so there was only us 0:01:52.840 --> 0:01:55.720 in the room, okay, And I can remember that when 0:01:55.720 --> 0:01:57.840 I went in the room and we met one another, 0:01:57.880 --> 0:01:59.200 everybody burst into tears. 0:01:59.520 --> 0:02:02.880 Oh wow. Obviously Charleston slash Hilt in the head. It's 0:02:02.880 --> 0:02:06.680 in the South of America, in South Carolina and I've 0:02:06.760 --> 0:02:10.400 found that there's in the early days of women's professional tennis, 0:02:10.440 --> 0:02:13.639 whether it was that invitational at Houston, the first tournament 0:02:13.800 --> 0:02:16.600 you guys played for the one dollar contracts, and there's 0:02:16.600 --> 0:02:20.000 obviously Billy Jean's Battle of the Sexes that was also 0:02:20.000 --> 0:02:23.560 in Houston. You've got this long running tournament in South Carolina. 0:02:24.120 --> 0:02:27.320 The South is known as quite a conservative place in America, 0:02:27.320 --> 0:02:30.800 but you've got this progressive women's tennis movement that was 0:02:30.800 --> 0:02:33.720 in line with like, you know, women's liberation and Title 0:02:33.840 --> 0:02:36.880 nine and all of them. That has always been to me, like, yeah, 0:02:36.919 --> 0:02:40.120 this progressive women's tennis movement often unfolding in a place 0:02:40.160 --> 0:02:42.080 that's culturally maybe not that way. 0:02:42.560 --> 0:02:45.040 It's interestingly saying that because you know, there's a lot 0:02:45.080 --> 0:02:47.280 of wealth down there, and a lot of wealthy people, 0:02:47.600 --> 0:02:50.480 and yet they were very You would have thought that 0:02:50.560 --> 0:02:54.720 they wouldn't be for women's ten tournaments, you know, for 0:02:54.800 --> 0:02:59.280 women's tennis, and yet they were. They supported us really well, 0:02:59.600 --> 0:03:02.040 and there were a lot not a lot of men, 0:03:02.120 --> 0:03:04.800 but there was a high percentage of men came as well, 0:03:05.520 --> 0:03:10.960 which the women brought their husbands along. You know, maybe 0:03:11.000 --> 0:03:14.200 they were quite well. I would have thought that they 0:03:14.240 --> 0:03:16.240 would be reasonably well educated. 0:03:16.320 --> 0:03:19.400 Therefore they might have thought that it's good to support 0:03:19.480 --> 0:03:19.919 the women. 0:03:20.520 --> 0:03:22.679 You know, I don't know, because I think they might 0:03:22.720 --> 0:03:26.200 have thought the same way as what glad As Hellman thought, 0:03:26.280 --> 0:03:29.320 you know, who had money. I mean, she was exceptional, 0:03:29.360 --> 0:03:32.040 but do you know what I mean? A lot of 0:03:32.080 --> 0:03:35.560 her friends were all into tennis, really into tennis and 0:03:35.640 --> 0:03:37.160 for the women's tennis. 0:03:37.600 --> 0:03:39.680 So when you all get together, you said that the 0:03:39.760 --> 0:03:42.440 Charleston one was very emotional, you will cry. Is that 0:03:42.520 --> 0:03:45.480 does that happen every time? Or have the kind of dynamic? No? 0:03:45.720 --> 0:03:49.560 Well, no, because now we've seen each other sooner, if 0:03:49.600 --> 0:03:51.760 you know what I mean, You know, there hasn't been 0:03:51.800 --> 0:03:54.560 such a such a big gap, but when we went 0:03:54.640 --> 0:03:56.200 to Charleston there was a huge gap. 0:03:56.320 --> 0:03:59.680 So well, it could well have been like fifteen years. 0:04:00.160 --> 0:04:02.480 And I think also when we said goodbye, it was 0:04:02.520 --> 0:04:04.720 most because we thought, well, we might never see each 0:04:04.720 --> 0:04:07.840 other again. And I don't know how we are still 0:04:08.080 --> 0:04:11.120 it's still around, Yes, So you know, it's pretty amazing 0:04:11.160 --> 0:04:12.200 when you think about it. 0:04:12.320 --> 0:04:15.040 Oh, I think I think so too. So what kinds 0:04:15.040 --> 0:04:16.440 of things do you talk about now? Do you talk 0:04:16.480 --> 0:04:18.320 a lot about tennis or is it life, like when 0:04:18.360 --> 0:04:20.839 you all get together, what's the dynamic? 0:04:20.960 --> 0:04:23.680 Like, I know, we did well, we talk about the tennis, 0:04:23.680 --> 0:04:28.440 watching it, but not particularly but we talked about what 0:04:29.040 --> 0:04:32.560 everybody was doing and did or how they were getting on. 0:04:32.480 --> 0:04:36.360 And and things like that, you know. 0:04:37.440 --> 0:04:39.719 I mean, yes we talked about tennis, but it wasn't 0:04:39.720 --> 0:04:42.919 the principle thing of it. And you'd say do you 0:04:43.000 --> 0:04:45.800 remember this or do you remember that you know, and 0:04:45.880 --> 0:04:49.680 somebody'd say, nah, I don't remember that happened at that tournament. 0:04:49.720 --> 0:04:52.279 But we sort of kind of reminisced. 0:04:52.200 --> 0:04:54.680 More just generally, like are you keeping up with tennis 0:04:54.720 --> 0:04:55.920 these days? A lot? Watching a lot? 0:04:55.960 --> 0:04:58.160 And well I tried to, Like I tried to, and 0:05:00.560 --> 0:05:03.600 I mean I always watch. I mean I always look 0:05:03.640 --> 0:05:05.839 at it, look at the results and all that sort 0:05:05.880 --> 0:05:08.479 of thing. And if I don't know somebody, I would 0:05:08.520 --> 0:05:13.520 ask about somebody. And like the Australian, you know, I 0:05:13.560 --> 0:05:16.120 went most days, so you sort of touch up with 0:05:16.160 --> 0:05:18.560 a lot of people and so, you know, so I'd 0:05:18.640 --> 0:05:21.159 just like to keep it an eye and just see 0:05:21.160 --> 0:05:22.160 how things are going. 0:05:22.200 --> 0:05:26.599 But that doesn't necessarily say that I know what's happened 0:05:26.640 --> 0:05:26.720 to me. 0:05:27.279 --> 0:05:29.680 What do you think about the state of the women's 0:05:29.720 --> 0:05:30.240 game now. 0:05:30.640 --> 0:05:35.280 I don't think you should ever compare decades with decades, 0:05:35.320 --> 0:05:38.159 if you know what I mean, Because I think because 0:05:38.240 --> 0:05:42.560 everything has changed so much, like Matt, if we'd been 0:05:42.800 --> 0:05:47.480 doing what we did today, would like when we started 0:05:47.480 --> 0:05:50.720 the original, would we have been able to achieve what 0:05:50.760 --> 0:05:54.680 we did, because you don't know how what the press 0:05:54.720 --> 0:05:57.839 would have been, what anything would have been like, because 0:05:57.839 --> 0:06:01.960 everything's changed so much, And. 0:06:01.360 --> 0:06:02.080 Do you know what I mean? 0:06:02.120 --> 0:06:05.800 And I think that we like it might have been 0:06:05.839 --> 0:06:10.479 beneficial to us because the press might have taken each 0:06:10.520 --> 0:06:13.400 of us and promoted us, if you do you know 0:06:13.440 --> 0:06:17.360 what I mean by that? Whereas whereas then we have 0:06:17.520 --> 0:06:21.800 to try and do all that ourselves and try and 0:06:20.800 --> 0:06:25.280 and and cope with them with trying to promote and 0:06:25.360 --> 0:06:28.800 to play and to make sure that we that we 0:06:29.080 --> 0:06:31.919 looked after the sponsors and things like that. Whereas now 0:06:32.800 --> 0:06:37.000 but to me that the tennis players today really only 0:06:37.040 --> 0:06:39.800 have to concentrate on playing tennis. You know, they don't 0:06:39.800 --> 0:06:42.840 have to organize themselves to practice courts because somebody else 0:06:42.880 --> 0:06:43.880 does it for them. 0:06:44.200 --> 0:06:45.400 That you know, do you know what I mean? 0:06:45.440 --> 0:06:49.480 They get, They get everything everything given to them. 0:06:49.480 --> 0:06:51.400 Look, I'm not not against that at all. 0:06:51.440 --> 0:06:54.479 But you know, for instance, I tell I always tell 0:06:54.520 --> 0:06:59.359 the story of Leslie Barry when she'd won the French 0:06:59.520 --> 0:07:02.440 and we I played with them that one year and 0:07:03.040 --> 0:07:05.360 she in those days, you know, we had to write 0:07:05.600 --> 0:07:08.320 because there was no emails or phones or anything, which 0:07:08.400 --> 0:07:11.280 which today people the tennis place don't understand. 0:07:11.720 --> 0:07:14.360 And we had to write and say, you know, we wanted. 0:07:14.080 --> 0:07:17.480 To book at the hotel, and and we did that 0:07:17.560 --> 0:07:19.840 and we arrived as char Salisee and of course there 0:07:19.880 --> 0:07:22.280 was nobody there and we had we had bags, it 0:07:22.360 --> 0:07:24.960 didn't have any wheels on them. We still had wooden rackets. 0:07:24.960 --> 0:07:26.200 That's how long ago what? 0:07:27.000 --> 0:07:28.600 And we we we. 0:07:28.520 --> 0:07:31.960 Had to get a bus from the from the airport 0:07:32.040 --> 0:07:34.640 to Charslice and then walked down to the hotel. When 0:07:34.680 --> 0:07:37.160 we got to the hotel, there was this huge hole 0:07:37.200 --> 0:07:40.440 in the ground and I said, well, Leslie, obviously the 0:07:40.520 --> 0:07:41.880 hotel's not there, is it? 0:07:42.000 --> 0:07:44.560 You know, where is it? She said, But I've got 0:07:44.560 --> 0:07:46.000 the letter that says are here. 0:07:46.040 --> 0:07:47.800 And I said, well, oh, well, you mean like it 0:07:47.800 --> 0:07:49.200 had been demolished or something. 0:07:50.840 --> 0:07:53.560 So I went next door and in my limited friends 0:07:53.600 --> 0:07:54.080 over there. 0:07:54.520 --> 0:07:57.480 You know what happened to the hotel and they said, oh, 0:07:57.520 --> 0:07:59.160 it's been demolished and again but new what. 0:07:59.800 --> 0:08:02.160 And I said, well, that's very difficult because we've come 0:08:02.200 --> 0:08:05.400 to play the French Championships, which they didn't even know 0:08:05.520 --> 0:08:10.440 what we were talking about seriously, and we said we 0:08:10.560 --> 0:08:13.680 need a hotel for two weeks. They said, you'll never 0:08:13.720 --> 0:08:16.160 get a hotel for two weeks, so this is not 0:08:16.240 --> 0:08:16.840 a lie. 0:08:17.360 --> 0:08:21.240 We walked the streets of Paris for two hours looking 0:08:21.320 --> 0:08:24.640 for a hotel that we could stay for two weeks, 0:08:25.160 --> 0:08:28.200 and here was Leslie who was the French champion, and 0:08:28.240 --> 0:08:31.160 then of course she wanted again. And I just keep 0:08:31.240 --> 0:08:35.000 saying to everybody, can you imagine in today's thing that 0:08:35.000 --> 0:08:35.960 that would ever happen? 0:08:36.200 --> 0:08:38.480 Oh my goodness, no, that would that would That's an 0:08:38.480 --> 0:08:39.320 absurd story. 0:08:39.480 --> 0:08:44.840 There's such a huge difference between the conditions, the equipment, 0:08:46.280 --> 0:08:49.920 the treatment of the players. So in a way, all 0:08:49.960 --> 0:08:55.280 they have to do is concentrate on that one thing 0:08:55.600 --> 0:08:59.080 of playing basically everything else, every other aspect it is 0:08:59.080 --> 0:09:01.880 looked after, where in our day we had to just 0:09:01.920 --> 0:09:03.040 look after ourselves. 0:09:03.440 --> 0:09:07.520 Yeah, I guess in a way, this is what you 0:09:07.640 --> 0:09:10.520 fought for. The women's game has gotten to such a 0:09:10.520 --> 0:09:13.160 point that isn't that fantastic that the athletes only have 0:09:13.240 --> 0:09:17.320 to concentrate on practicing and preparing and training. 0:09:16.720 --> 0:09:19.920 And they make a living and they're able to do 0:09:20.040 --> 0:09:21.319 whatever they want to do. 0:09:21.840 --> 0:09:23.960 Yes, that was the whole purpose of it. You know. 0:09:24.360 --> 0:09:26.920 I think that people and that when we when we 0:09:27.000 --> 0:09:29.600 signed for the dollar bill, I think everybody thought, oh, 0:09:29.720 --> 0:09:32.760 we were all for equal prize money. Well, I can 0:09:32.800 --> 0:09:34.880 tell you when we when we did that, we never 0:09:35.040 --> 0:09:38.200 envisaged that like that was the pipe tream really, but 0:09:38.280 --> 0:09:41.080 we wanted to be able to earn some money and 0:09:41.160 --> 0:09:44.160 to have the opportunity and recognition and all that. But 0:09:44.679 --> 0:09:49.679 but you know, so many people, especially the men, they 0:09:49.720 --> 0:09:51.839 always used to say, oh, you did it for was 0:09:51.880 --> 0:09:54.200 to get equal prize money, And I keep saying, No, 0:09:54.320 --> 0:09:55.600 that wasn't what it was for. 0:09:55.960 --> 0:09:57.600 That, That's not why we did it. 0:09:58.120 --> 0:10:00.760 We wanted to have the opportunity to earn more money. 0:10:00.760 --> 0:10:03.640 And yes, if equal price money happened, well that was 0:10:03.640 --> 0:10:07.199 a huge bonus, which which had happened, But that wasn't 0:10:09.000 --> 0:10:11.640 That wasn't our idea. We never thought that it would 0:10:11.640 --> 0:10:15.760 happen then, but you know it was. It's wonderful that 0:10:15.840 --> 0:10:18.120 it did. But but what I'm saying is I think 0:10:18.160 --> 0:10:20.920 everybody thought, oh, you know, that's that's what we want 0:10:21.000 --> 0:10:23.160 to have, and that's what we did for which which 0:10:23.240 --> 0:10:23.680 was nice. 0:10:23.880 --> 0:10:25.679 No, it was a different mission statement. 0:10:25.880 --> 0:10:26.560 Yeah, yeah, Yeah. 0:10:27.160 --> 0:10:29.960 What I would say was the opportunities today are far 0:10:30.080 --> 0:10:33.760 greater than the opportunities that we had to play tennis. 0:10:33.840 --> 0:10:34.720 Does that make sense? 0:10:34.840 --> 0:10:37.400 That makes perfect sense? You know, would you have liked 0:10:37.400 --> 0:10:41.320 to play then in this era in that way that 0:10:41.360 --> 0:10:43.439 you described everything taking care of you can concentrate on 0:10:43.440 --> 0:10:47.760 the professionalism. It's funny, did you, oh, you would have 0:10:47.800 --> 0:10:49.200 preferred this era? Yes? 0:10:49.520 --> 0:10:52.000 That was I think that was maybe one thing we said. 0:10:52.040 --> 0:10:54.120 I wouldn't have been nice to play today. We would 0:10:54.200 --> 0:10:57.320 have to worry about this week. But then you know, 0:10:57.400 --> 0:10:59.800 on the other hand, it could make you lazy and 0:10:59.840 --> 0:11:01.959 you think, oh, well I don't have to worry to you, 0:11:02.040 --> 0:11:05.319 but I'm getting everything looked after. It could be twofold, 0:11:05.440 --> 0:11:08.400 you know, it could be could be both ways. 0:11:08.679 --> 0:11:10.760 Do you think, oh, you know, maybe I don't. 0:11:10.960 --> 0:11:14.440 Whereas we because we had to do everything for ourselves, 0:11:14.679 --> 0:11:17.680 we had to be self efficient, whereas the players today 0:11:17.800 --> 0:11:21.400 really aren't. Yeah, you know, like like you know that 0:11:22.160 --> 0:11:24.480 for instance, you know, we had to make sure we 0:11:24.720 --> 0:11:27.680 entered in every tournament things, you know, And there's cases 0:11:27.720 --> 0:11:32.560 where people didn't enter Wimbledon because they forgot and then 0:11:32.679 --> 0:11:33.200 missed out. 0:11:33.240 --> 0:11:36.079 Well, could you imagine that happening today? It did. Never happened. 0:11:36.240 --> 0:11:38.319 No, it's very very rare for a player to miss out. 0:11:38.600 --> 0:11:40.480 I do hear the odd story about like a player 0:11:40.559 --> 0:11:42.880 or the agent like forgot to enter the minute tournament. 0:11:42.920 --> 0:11:45.120 Then they suddenly have to enter qualifying because they didn't 0:11:45.160 --> 0:11:47.800 in the main job. That's so unusual for that to happen. 0:11:47.920 --> 0:11:50.680 Yes, we'll see. We didn't have qualifying Well you're the 0:11:50.720 --> 0:11:52.920 only ones that had. Well, the only ones who had 0:11:52.960 --> 0:11:54.720 the qualifyings were the Grand slams. 0:11:54.960 --> 0:11:57.040 Oh, that's so interesting. Who do you like watching? 0:11:58.520 --> 0:12:01.280 I like watching, right be Keen think she's she's great 0:12:01.320 --> 0:12:05.640 to watch. I love watching and her demeanor and everything 0:12:05.760 --> 0:12:09.000 is maybe she's a bit too laid back, you see. 0:12:09.040 --> 0:12:12.640 I don't know, but she but I like I like. 0:12:12.679 --> 0:12:18.800 Her and and and Sabalanka. You've got to you've got 0:12:18.840 --> 0:12:23.839 to admire like you know, I admire for for overcoming. 0:12:24.480 --> 0:12:26.560 You know, look with a servant. All that do I 0:12:26.559 --> 0:12:30.520 watch is overcome and everything. And I quite like watching her. 0:12:30.800 --> 0:12:34.160 And the one I do love in the Doubles is 0:12:34.200 --> 0:12:40.000 that Chinese girl that played with Merchants sometimes. She's amazing. 0:12:40.160 --> 0:12:44.640 I mean she's thirty seven, Matt. She's just incredible, you know. 0:12:45.280 --> 0:12:48.120 And she said she was very funny because I spoke 0:12:48.160 --> 0:12:50.800 to her after she'd one of the Ladies Doubles and 0:12:50.880 --> 0:12:53.680 she was playing the mix. No, no, she played the 0:12:53.720 --> 0:12:56.439 mix that's right, and I present her with the Trophy 0:12:56.520 --> 0:12:57.160 of the Wealth. 0:12:57.360 --> 0:12:59.920 Yeah, and then she was playing the Ladies Doubles. 0:13:00.080 --> 0:13:03.960 It open it and and I said, oh you know that. 0:13:04.559 --> 0:13:06.680 She said, oh, she said, I'd like to win the 0:13:06.720 --> 0:13:09.200 other double. She said, because there's a lot of money 0:13:09.240 --> 0:13:09.439 in it. 0:13:12.240 --> 0:13:14.400 She's such a character. I like her. Yeah. 0:13:14.480 --> 0:13:18.280 Yeah, but he's amazed, but he's amazing prayer and like 0:13:18.400 --> 0:13:21.560 Si Teck, you've got to you, you've got to admire. 0:13:22.240 --> 0:13:24.800 But I mean it's good for instance that that that 0:13:25.000 --> 0:13:27.760 I think that Halen's come back again. I think that 0:13:27.760 --> 0:13:30.400 that one might add another dementia to it if she 0:13:30.840 --> 0:13:33.360 if she can, you know, if she can play as 0:13:33.360 --> 0:13:36.640 well as what she did before, I mean, that mightn't happen. 0:13:36.760 --> 0:13:40.360 Like Osaka is trying and she's getting there. But I 0:13:40.360 --> 0:13:42.120 think that's going to be a hard one for her, 0:13:42.200 --> 0:13:44.720 but it would be good if she did it as well. 0:13:44.920 --> 0:13:45.160 You know. 0:13:45.600 --> 0:13:48.440 Yeah, There's definitely been lots of like comebacks to see 0:13:48.440 --> 0:13:51.200 which has added some you know yeah texture back into 0:13:51.240 --> 0:13:52.760 the tour potentially. 0:13:52.559 --> 0:13:56.160 Well, like Kerber plays played pretty well and most Arki's 0:13:56.200 --> 0:14:00.440 playing well and if halenp comes back again and Saka 0:14:00.600 --> 0:14:01.319 comes back. 0:14:01.160 --> 0:14:04.360 Again, anyway, there we go. So we wait and see, We'll. 0:14:04.160 --> 0:14:06.760 Wait and see. Yeah, Judy, thank you so much. This 0:14:06.920 --> 0:14:07.240 is great. 0:14:07.400 --> 0:14:10.080 You're very welcome, and say hi to Vivre. 0:14:10.200 --> 0:14:14.600 I will always Matt. 0:14:14.640 --> 0:14:17.840 Congratulations, what a fabulous interviewer. Was so lovely to hear 0:14:17.920 --> 0:14:18.800 Judy's insights. 0:14:18.840 --> 0:14:19.320 Thanks Viv. 0:14:19.480 --> 0:14:21.680 We'll be back next week for the sit down and 0:14:21.720 --> 0:14:24.800 we talk to another legend of Australian tennis, Sam Stozer. 0:14:25.040 --> 0:14:26.920 And in the meantime you can listen to John and 0:14:26.960 --> 0:14:29.280 the team on the AO Show weekly. Details for how 0:14:29.360 --> 0:14:31.920 to contact us are in the show notes, and please subscribe, 0:14:32.040 --> 0:14:34.360 rate and review. We'll see you soon.