1 00:00:02,390 --> 00:00:04,670 Speaker 1: Hi everyone and welcome to the AO Show. We're back 2 00:00:04,690 --> 00:00:06,890 Speaker 1: with another edition this week of The Sit Down brought 3 00:00:06,910 --> 00:00:10,130 Speaker 1: to you by me, Matt Trelope of ozopen.com and Australian 4 00:00:10,170 --> 00:00:12,560 Speaker 1: Tennis Magazine editor Viv Christie. How are you Viv? 5 00:00:12,880 --> 00:00:15,240 Speaker 2: Hey Matt, I'm great thank you and it's great to 6 00:00:15,280 --> 00:00:17,640 Speaker 2: be back here with you for The Sit Down and 7 00:00:17,780 --> 00:00:20,420 Speaker 2: we have a really special episode this week. You had 8 00:00:20,440 --> 00:00:23,300 Speaker 2: a wonderful chat with a real legend of Australian tennis 9 00:00:23,460 --> 00:00:24,300 Speaker 2: in Judy Dalton. 10 00:00:24,520 --> 00:00:26,759 Speaker 1: Yeah, it was great to chat to her. in line 11 00:00:26,800 --> 00:00:28,940 Speaker 1: with the fact that the Charleston tournament has just finished, 12 00:00:29,000 --> 00:00:32,790 Speaker 1: which is the longest-running women's-only professional tournament in the world, 13 00:00:33,150 --> 00:00:35,850 Speaker 1: and one of the original WTA events back from the 70s. 14 00:00:36,010 --> 00:00:37,970 Speaker 1: And as Judy is a member of the original nine, 15 00:00:38,070 --> 00:00:39,790 Speaker 1: it kind of felt great to talk to her about 16 00:00:40,150 --> 00:00:43,930 Speaker 1: that tournament and that story more generally. And at the 17 00:00:43,970 --> 00:00:45,650 Speaker 1: end of the interview, it was really lovely. She signed 18 00:00:45,690 --> 00:00:47,480 Speaker 1: off by asking... How's Viv going? 19 00:00:48,229 --> 00:00:50,010 Speaker 3: Which is really sweet. I love Jude. 20 00:00:50,150 --> 00:00:52,669 Speaker 2: I won't lie. You know, I've known her for many years. 21 00:00:52,790 --> 00:00:55,630 Speaker 2: And yeah, I'm just so pleased that the achievements of 22 00:00:55,670 --> 00:00:59,470 Speaker 2: the original nine and Judy and her contribution are being recognised. 23 00:00:59,530 --> 00:01:01,410 Speaker 2: So let's hear what she has to say. 24 00:01:05,400 --> 00:01:08,240 Speaker 1: Well, what do you make of the tournament, given it 25 00:01:08,300 --> 00:01:11,500 Speaker 1: is such an historic event on the women's tour? It's 26 00:01:11,540 --> 00:01:12,640 Speaker 1: quite an important one. 27 00:01:12,819 --> 00:01:13,080 Speaker 2: Yes. 28 00:01:13,120 --> 00:01:15,300 Speaker 1: That's where they chose it, obviously, as the site for 29 00:01:15,340 --> 00:01:17,360 Speaker 1: your reunion. What was it like going there and what 30 00:01:17,700 --> 00:01:19,390 Speaker 1: was the mood of the reunion and what kinds of 31 00:01:19,420 --> 00:01:20,229 Speaker 1: things were celebrated? 32 00:01:20,910 --> 00:01:24,830 Speaker 4: It was very emotional because we hadn't seen each other 33 00:01:24,890 --> 00:01:29,389 Speaker 4: for a long, long time. Like I'd seen Billie because, 34 00:01:29,610 --> 00:01:31,330 Speaker 4: you know, I'd seen her at Wimbledon and what have you, 35 00:01:31,630 --> 00:01:38,290 Speaker 4: but I hadn't seen– Nancy or Christy or Val or Peachy. 36 00:01:38,410 --> 00:01:42,030 Speaker 3: I hadn't seen any of them for ages and ages. 37 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:47,060 Speaker 4: And Charleston was really lovely because they, at the tournament, 38 00:01:47,400 --> 00:01:50,580 Speaker 4: they reserved a room for us, which was really nice, 39 00:01:50,660 --> 00:01:53,440 Speaker 4: so there was only us in the room. 40 00:01:53,670 --> 00:01:53,970 Speaker 3: Okay. 41 00:01:54,170 --> 00:01:56,450 Speaker 4: And I can remember that when I went in the 42 00:01:56,510 --> 00:01:59,210 Speaker 4: room and we met one another, everybody burst into tears. 43 00:01:59,230 --> 00:02:00,010 Speaker 1: Oh, wow. 44 00:02:00,070 --> 00:02:00,309 Speaker 4: Yeah. 45 00:02:00,430 --> 00:02:04,290 Speaker 1: Obviously, Charleston... slash Hilton Head. It's in the South of America, 46 00:02:04,670 --> 00:02:08,530 Speaker 1: in South Carolina. And I've found that there's, in the 47 00:02:08,590 --> 00:02:11,070 Speaker 1: early days of women's professional tennis, whether it was that 48 00:02:11,250 --> 00:02:14,630 Speaker 1: Invitational at Houston, the first tournament you guys played for 49 00:02:14,660 --> 00:02:18,839 Speaker 1: the $ 1 contracts. And there was obviously Billy Jean's Battle 50 00:02:18,860 --> 00:02:20,899 Speaker 1: of the Sexes. That was also in Houston. You've got 51 00:02:20,919 --> 00:02:24,680 Speaker 1: this long running tournament in South Carolina. The South is 52 00:02:25,020 --> 00:02:27,600 Speaker 1: known as quite a conservative place in America, but you've 53 00:02:27,620 --> 00:02:31,150 Speaker 1: got this progressive women's tennis movement that was in line 54 00:02:31,160 --> 00:02:34,080 Speaker 1: with like, you know, women's liberation and Title IX and 55 00:02:34,120 --> 00:02:36,859 Speaker 1: all of that has always been to me like, yeah, 56 00:02:36,900 --> 00:02:40,060 Speaker 1: this progressive women's tennis movement often unfolding in a place 57 00:02:40,100 --> 00:02:42,030 Speaker 1: that's culturally maybe not that way. 58 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:44,810 Speaker 4: It's interesting you're saying that because, you know, there's a 59 00:02:44,850 --> 00:02:47,210 Speaker 4: lot of wealth down there and a lot of wealthy people. 60 00:02:47,650 --> 00:02:50,489 Speaker 4: And yet they were very, you would have thought that 61 00:02:50,550 --> 00:02:51,710 Speaker 4: they wouldn't be. 62 00:02:51,630 --> 00:02:55,549 Speaker 3: For women's you know, for women's tennis. 63 00:02:56,050 --> 00:02:59,869 Speaker 4: And yet they were, they supported us really well. And 64 00:02:59,910 --> 00:03:02,230 Speaker 4: there were a lot, not a lot of men, but 65 00:03:02,270 --> 00:03:04,799 Speaker 4: there was a high percentage of men came as well, 66 00:03:05,540 --> 00:03:08,880 Speaker 4: which the women brought their husbands along, you know. Yeah. 67 00:03:10,500 --> 00:03:14,019 Speaker 4: Maybe they were quite well, I would have thought that 68 00:03:14,060 --> 00:03:17,290 Speaker 4: they would be reasonably well educated. Therefore, they might have 69 00:03:17,330 --> 00:03:20,710 Speaker 4: thought that it's good to support the women. You know, 70 00:03:20,790 --> 00:03:23,109 Speaker 4: I don't know, because I think they might have thought 71 00:03:23,169 --> 00:03:26,570 Speaker 4: the same way as what Gladys Hellman thought, you know, 72 00:03:26,630 --> 00:03:29,630 Speaker 4: who had money. I mean, she was exceptional, but you 73 00:03:29,669 --> 00:03:33,100 Speaker 4: know what I mean? She, a lot of her friends were. 74 00:03:33,260 --> 00:03:36,800 Speaker 3: All into tennis, really into tennis and for the women's tennis. 75 00:03:37,610 --> 00:03:39,730 Speaker 1: So when you all get together, you said that the 76 00:03:39,750 --> 00:03:42,710 Speaker 1: Charleston one was very emotional. You all cried. Does that 77 00:03:42,730 --> 00:03:45,530 Speaker 1: happen every time or have the kind of dynamics changed? 78 00:03:45,690 --> 00:03:49,530 Speaker 4: Well, no, because now we've seen each other sooner, if 79 00:03:49,550 --> 00:03:51,710 Speaker 4: you know what I mean. You know, there hasn't been 80 00:03:51,750 --> 00:03:55,210 Speaker 4: such a big gap. But when we went to Charleston, 81 00:03:55,230 --> 00:03:58,070 Speaker 4: there was a huge gap. So it could well have 82 00:03:58,130 --> 00:04:01,540 Speaker 4: been like 15 years. And I think also when we 83 00:04:01,600 --> 00:04:03,860 Speaker 4: said goodbye, it was because we thought, well, we might 84 00:04:03,920 --> 00:04:07,310 Speaker 4: never see each other again and I don't know how, 85 00:04:07,330 --> 00:04:09,410 Speaker 4: but we are still around, you know. 86 00:04:09,630 --> 00:04:12,070 Speaker 3: So, you know, it's pretty amazing when you think about it. 87 00:04:12,490 --> 00:04:15,290 Speaker 1: Oh, I think so too. So what kinds of things 88 00:04:15,310 --> 00:04:16,589 Speaker 1: do you talk about now? Do you talk a lot 89 00:04:16,630 --> 00:04:18,570 Speaker 1: about tennis or is it life? Like when you all 90 00:04:18,589 --> 00:04:21,010 Speaker 1: get together, what's the dynamic like? 91 00:04:21,300 --> 00:04:21,920 Speaker 3: Oh, no, we do. 92 00:04:22,140 --> 00:04:26,099 Speaker 4: Well, we talk about the tennis, watching it, but not particularly. 93 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:31,219 Speaker 4: But we talked about what everybody was doing and, you know, 94 00:04:31,339 --> 00:04:35,740 Speaker 4: how they were getting on and And things like that, 95 00:04:36,080 --> 00:04:39,180 Speaker 4: you know. I mean, yes, we talked about tennis, but 96 00:04:39,220 --> 00:04:42,589 Speaker 4: it wasn't the principal thing of it. And you'd say, oh, 97 00:04:42,650 --> 00:04:45,410 Speaker 4: do you remember this or do you remember that, you know? 98 00:04:45,430 --> 00:04:48,870 Speaker 4: And somebody would say, no, I don't remember that happening 99 00:04:48,890 --> 00:04:49,650 Speaker 4: at that tournament. 100 00:04:49,690 --> 00:04:51,570 Speaker 3: But we'd sort of kind of reminisce. 101 00:04:52,160 --> 00:04:54,640 Speaker 1: More just generally, like are you keeping up with tennis 102 00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:56,060 Speaker 1: these days a lot, watching a lot? 103 00:04:56,080 --> 00:04:57,039 Speaker 3: Well, I try to. 104 00:04:57,060 --> 00:04:57,280 Speaker 4: Yeah? 105 00:04:57,300 --> 00:04:58,179 Speaker 3: Like I try to. 106 00:04:58,660 --> 00:05:03,330 Speaker 4: And, I mean, I always watch, I mean, I always 107 00:05:03,430 --> 00:05:06,190 Speaker 4: look at results and all that sort of thing. 108 00:05:06,250 --> 00:05:08,770 Speaker 3: And if I don't know somebody, I would ask. 109 00:05:10,279 --> 00:05:13,520 Speaker 4: About somebody. And like at the Australian, you know, I 110 00:05:13,540 --> 00:05:16,099 Speaker 4: went most days. So you sort of catch up with 111 00:05:16,140 --> 00:05:18,520 Speaker 4: a lot of people. And so, you know, so I 112 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:21,350 Speaker 4: just like to keep an eye and just see how 113 00:05:21,400 --> 00:05:24,950 Speaker 4: things are going. But that doesn't necessarily say that I 114 00:05:25,010 --> 00:05:26,810 Speaker 4: know what's happening. 115 00:05:27,290 --> 00:05:29,589 Speaker 1: What do you think about the state of the women's 116 00:05:29,630 --> 00:05:30,190 Speaker 1: game now? 117 00:05:30,670 --> 00:05:35,280 Speaker 4: I don't think you should ever compare women Decades with decades, 118 00:05:35,360 --> 00:05:38,059 Speaker 4: if you know what I mean, because I think– because 119 00:05:38,279 --> 00:05:39,960 Speaker 4: everything has changed so much. 120 00:05:40,040 --> 00:05:43,690 Speaker 3: Like, Matt, if we'd been doing what we. 121 00:05:43,580 --> 00:05:48,610 Speaker 4: Did today, would– like when we started the ritual, would 122 00:05:48,710 --> 00:05:52,070 Speaker 4: we have been able to achieve what we did? Because 123 00:05:52,370 --> 00:05:55,410 Speaker 4: you don't know how– what the press would have been, 124 00:05:55,910 --> 00:05:59,359 Speaker 4: what anything would have been like because everything's changed so much. 125 00:05:59,800 --> 00:05:59,980 Speaker 1: Mm-hmm. 126 00:06:00,660 --> 00:06:02,020 Speaker 3: Do you know what I mean? 127 00:06:02,080 --> 00:06:06,590 Speaker 4: And I think that it might have been beneficial to 128 00:06:06,690 --> 00:06:10,760 Speaker 4: us because the press might have taken each of us 129 00:06:11,589 --> 00:06:13,510 Speaker 4: and promoted us, do you know. 130 00:06:13,410 --> 00:06:14,270 Speaker 3: What I mean by that? 131 00:06:15,430 --> 00:06:18,500 Speaker 4: Whereas then we had to try and do all that 132 00:06:18,580 --> 00:06:25,300 Speaker 4: ourselves and try and cope with trying to promote and 133 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:29,840 Speaker 4: to play and to make sure that we looked after the. 134 00:06:29,820 --> 00:06:31,920 Speaker 3: Sponsors and things like that, whereas now. 135 00:06:32,980 --> 00:06:37,270 Speaker 4: To me, the tennis players today really only have to 136 00:06:37,330 --> 00:06:40,030 Speaker 4: concentrate on playing tennis. You know, they don't have to 137 00:06:40,089 --> 00:06:43,120 Speaker 4: organise themselves to practise courts because somebody else does it 138 00:06:43,200 --> 00:06:43,580 Speaker 4: for them. 139 00:06:44,200 --> 00:06:46,420 Speaker 3: Do you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah. 140 00:06:46,540 --> 00:06:50,000 Speaker 4: They get everything done. everything given to them. Look, I'm 141 00:06:50,240 --> 00:06:53,690 Speaker 4: not against that at all. But, you know, for instance, 142 00:06:53,710 --> 00:06:58,550 Speaker 4: I always tell the story of Leslie Barry when she'd 143 00:06:58,570 --> 00:06:59,370 Speaker 4: won the French. 144 00:06:59,550 --> 00:07:01,910 Speaker 3: And I played with her that one year. 145 00:07:02,270 --> 00:07:05,220 Speaker 4: And in those days, you know, we had to write 146 00:07:05,640 --> 00:07:08,640 Speaker 4: because there was no emails or phones or anything, which 147 00:07:08,700 --> 00:07:12,340 Speaker 4: today people, tennis players don't understand. And we had to 148 00:07:12,380 --> 00:07:14,500 Speaker 4: write and say, you know, we wanted to book at 149 00:07:14,540 --> 00:07:18,350 Speaker 4: the hotel. And we did that and we arrived at 150 00:07:18,390 --> 00:07:21,670 Speaker 4: Champs-Élysées and, of course, there was nobody there. And we 151 00:07:21,710 --> 00:07:23,610 Speaker 4: had bags that didn't have any wheels on them and 152 00:07:23,630 --> 00:07:24,850 Speaker 4: we still had wooden rackets. 153 00:07:24,890 --> 00:07:26,510 Speaker 3: That's how long ago it was. 154 00:07:27,050 --> 00:07:31,970 Speaker 4: And we had to get a bus from the airport 155 00:07:32,010 --> 00:07:34,590 Speaker 4: to Champs-Élysées and then walk down to the hotel. When 156 00:07:34,630 --> 00:07:37,150 Speaker 4: we got to the hotel, there was this huge hole 157 00:07:37,210 --> 00:07:40,450 Speaker 4: in the ground and I said– Well, Leslie, obviously the 158 00:07:40,500 --> 00:07:41,860 Speaker 4: hotel's not there, is it? 159 00:07:41,960 --> 00:07:44,300 Speaker 3: You know, where is it? Well, she said, but I've 160 00:07:44,320 --> 00:07:46,780 Speaker 3: got the letter that says you're here. And I said, well. 161 00:07:47,080 --> 00:07:49,180 Speaker 1: Oh, well, you mean like it had been demolished or something? 162 00:07:49,500 --> 00:07:49,900 Speaker 3: Yeah. 163 00:07:50,020 --> 00:07:53,500 Speaker 4: So I went next door and in my limited French 164 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:56,950 Speaker 4: I said, you know, what happened to the hotel? And 165 00:07:56,970 --> 00:07:58,910 Speaker 4: they said, oh, it's been demolished and they're going to 166 00:07:58,930 --> 00:08:01,480 Speaker 4: give me one. And I said, well, that's very difficult 167 00:08:01,500 --> 00:08:04,200 Speaker 4: because we've come to play the French Championships, which they 168 00:08:04,240 --> 00:08:05,700 Speaker 4: didn't even know. 169 00:08:05,520 --> 00:08:10,490 Speaker 3: What we were talking about, seriously. And we said, we 170 00:08:10,520 --> 00:08:12,710 Speaker 3: need a hotel for two weeks. Don't be silly. 171 00:08:12,750 --> 00:08:14,950 Speaker 4: They said, you'll never get a hotel for two weeks. 172 00:08:15,450 --> 00:08:18,810 Speaker 4: So this is not a lie. We walked the streets 173 00:08:18,870 --> 00:08:22,750 Speaker 4: of Paris for two hours. looking for a hotel that 174 00:08:22,790 --> 00:08:26,929 Speaker 4: we could stay for two weeks. And here was Leslie, who. 175 00:08:26,810 --> 00:08:29,030 Speaker 3: Was the French champion, and then, of course, she won 176 00:08:29,090 --> 00:08:29,570 Speaker 3: it again. 177 00:08:30,250 --> 00:08:33,140 Speaker 4: And I just keep saying to everybody, could you imagine 178 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:35,920 Speaker 4: in today's thing that that would ever happen? 179 00:08:36,260 --> 00:08:39,319 Speaker 1: Oh, my goodness. No, that's an absurd story. 180 00:08:39,340 --> 00:08:44,880 Speaker 4: There's such a huge difference between the conditions, the equipment 181 00:08:44,900 --> 00:08:49,460 Speaker 4: and The treatment of the players. So in a way, 182 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:55,020 Speaker 4: all they have to do is concentrate on that one 183 00:08:55,059 --> 00:08:58,670 Speaker 4: thing of playing. Basically everything else, every other aspect is 184 00:08:59,050 --> 00:09:01,910 Speaker 4: looked after where in our day we had to just 185 00:09:01,929 --> 00:09:02,970 Speaker 4: look after ourselves. 186 00:09:03,370 --> 00:09:07,590 Speaker 1: Yeah. I guess in a way this is what you 187 00:09:07,610 --> 00:09:10,480 Speaker 1: fought for. The women's game has gotten to such a 188 00:09:10,500 --> 00:09:13,160 Speaker 1: point that isn't that fantastic that the athletes only have 189 00:09:13,220 --> 00:09:16,930 Speaker 1: to concentrate on. Yep. practising and preparing and training and playing. 190 00:09:16,950 --> 00:09:19,960 Speaker 4: And they make a living and they're able to do 191 00:09:20,050 --> 00:09:21,339 Speaker 4: whatever they want to do. 192 00:09:21,800 --> 00:09:22,040 Speaker 1: Yes. 193 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:23,650 Speaker 3: That was the whole purpose of it. 194 00:09:23,679 --> 00:09:27,540 Speaker 4: You know, I think that when we signed for the 195 00:09:27,580 --> 00:09:30,210 Speaker 4: dollar bill, I think everybody thought, oh, we were all 196 00:09:30,250 --> 00:09:31,470 Speaker 4: for equal prize money. 197 00:09:31,530 --> 00:09:31,800 Speaker 1: Well, we. 198 00:09:32,490 --> 00:09:34,830 Speaker 4: I can tell you, when we did that, we never 199 00:09:34,890 --> 00:09:38,209 Speaker 4: envisaged that. Like, that was a pipe dream, really. But 200 00:09:38,270 --> 00:09:41,120 Speaker 4: we wanted to be able to earn some money and 201 00:09:41,140 --> 00:09:44,220 Speaker 4: to have the opportunity and the recognition. 202 00:09:43,580 --> 00:09:44,059 Speaker 3: And all that. 203 00:09:44,100 --> 00:09:49,739 Speaker 4: But, you know, so many people, especially the men, they 204 00:09:49,760 --> 00:09:51,829 Speaker 4: always used to say all you did it for was 205 00:09:51,850 --> 00:09:53,189 Speaker 4: to get equal prize money. 206 00:09:53,230 --> 00:09:55,630 Speaker 3: And I kept saying, no, that wasn't what it was for. 207 00:09:56,050 --> 00:09:58,870 Speaker 4: That's not why we did it. We wanted to have 208 00:09:58,910 --> 00:10:02,179 Speaker 4: the opportunity to earn more money. And, yes, if equal 209 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:04,719 Speaker 4: prize money happened, well, that was a huge bonus, which 210 00:10:05,260 --> 00:10:10,320 Speaker 4: it happened. But that wasn't our idea. 211 00:10:10,340 --> 00:10:14,569 Speaker 3: We never thought that it would happen then. But, you know, 212 00:10:14,630 --> 00:10:16,250 Speaker 3: it's wonderful that it did. 213 00:10:16,809 --> 00:10:18,990 Speaker 4: But what I'm saying is I think everybody thought, oh, 214 00:10:19,010 --> 00:10:21,450 Speaker 4: you know, that's, That's what we want to have and 215 00:10:21,470 --> 00:10:23,590 Speaker 4: that's what we did it for, which was not. 216 00:10:23,870 --> 00:10:25,630 Speaker 1: No, it was a different mission statement. 217 00:10:25,900 --> 00:10:26,579 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah. 218 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:29,640 Speaker 4: So what I would say was the opportunities today are 219 00:10:29,700 --> 00:10:33,699 Speaker 4: far greater than the opportunities that we had to play tennis. 220 00:10:33,820 --> 00:10:34,660 Speaker 3: Does that make sense? 221 00:10:34,679 --> 00:10:35,750 Speaker 1: Yeah, it makes perfect sense. 222 00:10:35,970 --> 00:10:36,350 Speaker 4: You know. 223 00:10:36,550 --> 00:10:39,130 Speaker 1: Would you have liked to play then in this era 224 00:10:39,650 --> 00:10:42,689 Speaker 1: in that way that you described, everything taken care of, 225 00:10:42,690 --> 00:10:44,050 Speaker 1: you can concentrate on the professionalism? 226 00:10:44,559 --> 00:10:46,460 Speaker 3: It's funny. Or did you like your era better? Yes, 227 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:46,940 Speaker 3: I think I would. 228 00:10:47,280 --> 00:10:48,480 Speaker 1: Oh, you would have preferred this era? 229 00:10:48,920 --> 00:10:52,120 Speaker 3: Yes. I think that was maybe one thing we said, oh, 230 00:10:52,140 --> 00:10:54,280 Speaker 3: wouldn't it be nice to play today? We wouldn't have 231 00:10:54,300 --> 00:10:55,219 Speaker 3: to worry about this. 232 00:10:56,179 --> 00:10:58,870 Speaker 4: But then, you know, on the other hand, it could 233 00:10:58,880 --> 00:11:01,390 Speaker 4: make you lazy and you think, oh, I don't have 234 00:11:01,410 --> 00:11:02,209 Speaker 4: to worry too much. 235 00:11:02,309 --> 00:11:05,670 Speaker 3: I'm getting everything looked after. It could be twofold. You know, 236 00:11:05,690 --> 00:11:06,110 Speaker 3: it could be. 237 00:11:06,790 --> 00:11:09,870 Speaker 4: Could be both ways that you think, oh, you know, 238 00:11:09,929 --> 00:11:12,770 Speaker 4: maybe I don't. Whereas we, because we had to do 239 00:11:12,850 --> 00:11:16,860 Speaker 4: everything for ourselves, we had to be self-efficient, whereas the 240 00:11:16,890 --> 00:11:18,460 Speaker 4: players today really aren't. 241 00:11:18,679 --> 00:11:18,859 Speaker 1: Yeah. 242 00:11:19,140 --> 00:11:23,340 Speaker 4: You know, like, you know, for instance, you know, we 243 00:11:23,380 --> 00:11:26,280 Speaker 4: had to make sure we entered in every tournament and things, 244 00:11:26,320 --> 00:11:29,800 Speaker 4: you know, and there's cases where people didn't enter Wimbledon 245 00:11:30,620 --> 00:11:33,250 Speaker 4: because they forgot and then missed out. 246 00:11:33,260 --> 00:11:35,970 Speaker 3: Well, could you imagine that happening today? It never happens. 247 00:11:36,230 --> 00:11:38,290 Speaker 1: No, it's very, very rare for a player to miss out. 248 00:11:38,590 --> 00:11:40,430 Speaker 1: I do hear the odd story about, like, a player 249 00:11:40,470 --> 00:11:42,469 Speaker 1: or their agent, like, forgot to enter them in a 250 00:11:42,530 --> 00:11:44,790 Speaker 1: tournament and then they suddenly have to enter qualifying because 251 00:11:44,809 --> 00:11:46,470 Speaker 1: they didn't get in the main draw. But that's so 252 00:11:46,510 --> 00:11:48,069 Speaker 1: unusual for that to happen. Yes. 253 00:11:48,130 --> 00:11:49,890 Speaker 3: Well, see, we didn't have qualifying. 254 00:11:50,010 --> 00:11:52,190 Speaker 4: Well, you know, the only ones that had– well, the 255 00:11:52,250 --> 00:11:54,750 Speaker 4: only ones that had the qualifiers were the Grand Slams. 256 00:11:55,030 --> 00:11:56,960 Speaker 1: Oh, that's so interesting. Who do you like watching? 257 00:11:58,540 --> 00:12:01,679 Speaker 4: I like watching Rybikine. I think she's great to watch. 258 00:12:01,960 --> 00:12:07,280 Speaker 4: I love watching. And her demeanour and everything is– Maybe 259 00:12:07,340 --> 00:12:08,600 Speaker 4: she's a bit too laid back. 260 00:12:08,640 --> 00:12:10,580 Speaker 3: You see, I don't know. But I like her. 261 00:12:11,020 --> 00:12:15,859 Speaker 4: And Sabalenka, you've got to admire her for overcoming things. 262 00:12:24,490 --> 00:12:26,510 Speaker 4: you know, like with her serve and all that, you know, 263 00:12:26,550 --> 00:12:30,469 Speaker 4: what she's overcome and everything. And I quite like watching her. 264 00:12:30,809 --> 00:12:34,150 Speaker 4: And the one I do love in the doubles is 265 00:12:34,210 --> 00:12:36,950 Speaker 4: that Chinese girl, you know, that played with Merton. 266 00:12:37,110 --> 00:12:40,040 Speaker 3: Oh, Sue A. She's amazing. 267 00:12:40,179 --> 00:12:44,739 Speaker 4: I mean, she's 37, Matt. She's just incredible, you know. 268 00:12:44,760 --> 00:12:48,140 Speaker 4: And she said she was very funny because I spoke 269 00:12:48,160 --> 00:12:51,040 Speaker 4: to her after she'd won the ladies' doubles and she 270 00:12:51,080 --> 00:12:53,930 Speaker 4: was playing the mix. No, no, she played the mix, 271 00:12:53,970 --> 00:12:57,500 Speaker 4: that's right, and I presented her with the trophy. Yeah, 272 00:12:57,580 --> 00:13:00,520 Speaker 4: and then she was playing the ladies' doubles, you know. 273 00:13:01,320 --> 00:13:01,440 Speaker 1: And. 274 00:13:02,500 --> 00:13:03,820 Speaker 3: And I said, oh, you know. 275 00:13:03,940 --> 00:13:06,550 Speaker 4: And she said, oh, she said, I'd like to win 276 00:13:06,570 --> 00:13:08,950 Speaker 4: the other double, she said, because there's a lot of. 277 00:13:08,970 --> 00:13:09,450 Speaker 3: Money in it. 278 00:13:12,290 --> 00:13:13,290 Speaker 1: She's such a character. 279 00:13:13,330 --> 00:13:13,850 Speaker 3: I like her. 280 00:13:14,150 --> 00:13:19,250 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, but she's amazing, Clare. And like Slytech, you've 281 00:13:19,270 --> 00:13:24,240 Speaker 4: got to admire. But, I mean, it's good, for instance, 282 00:13:24,700 --> 00:13:27,160 Speaker 4: that I think that Halep's come back again. I think 283 00:13:27,200 --> 00:13:30,340 Speaker 4: that that might add another dimension to it if she, 284 00:13:30,890 --> 00:13:33,290 Speaker 4: if she can, you know, if she can play as 285 00:13:33,330 --> 00:13:34,690 Speaker 4: well as what she did before. 286 00:13:34,710 --> 00:13:36,630 Speaker 3: I mean, that mightn't happen. 287 00:13:36,690 --> 00:13:39,990 Speaker 4: Like Osaka is trying and she's getting there, but I 288 00:13:40,350 --> 00:13:42,150 Speaker 4: think that's going to be a hard one for her. 289 00:13:42,200 --> 00:13:44,660 Speaker 4: But it would be good if she did it as well, 290 00:13:44,920 --> 00:13:45,319 Speaker 4: you know? 291 00:13:45,620 --> 00:13:48,380 Speaker 1: Yeah, there's definitely been lots of, like, comebacks this year 292 00:13:48,420 --> 00:13:51,260 Speaker 1: which has added some, you know, texture back into the 293 00:13:51,320 --> 00:13:52,220 Speaker 1: tour potentially. 294 00:13:52,540 --> 00:13:56,780 Speaker 4: Well, like Kerber played pretty well and Wozniacki's playing well. 295 00:13:57,309 --> 00:14:01,400 Speaker 4: And if Halep comes back again... And Osaka comes back again. 296 00:14:01,920 --> 00:14:03,850 Speaker 3: Anyway, there we go. So we'll wait and see. 297 00:14:04,010 --> 00:14:04,690 Speaker 1: We'll wait and see. 298 00:14:05,030 --> 00:14:05,329 Speaker 2: Yeah. 299 00:14:05,530 --> 00:14:07,270 Speaker 1: Judy, thank you so much. This was great. 300 00:14:07,370 --> 00:14:10,059 Speaker 3: You're very welcome. And say hi to Viv, won't you? 301 00:14:10,200 --> 00:14:10,900 Speaker 1: I will, always. 302 00:14:14,370 --> 00:14:17,550 Speaker 2: Matt, congratulations. What a fabulous interview. It was so lovely 303 00:14:17,590 --> 00:14:18,670 Speaker 2: to hear Judy's insights. 304 00:14:18,830 --> 00:14:19,230 Speaker 1: Thanks, Viv. 305 00:14:19,470 --> 00:14:21,670 Speaker 2: We'll be back next week for The Sit Down and 306 00:14:21,720 --> 00:14:24,840 Speaker 2: we talk to another legend of Australian tennis, Sam Stozer. 307 00:14:25,100 --> 00:14:26,900 Speaker 2: And in the meantime, you can listen to John and 308 00:14:26,920 --> 00:14:29,260 Speaker 2: the team on the AO Show Weekly. Details for how 309 00:14:29,280 --> 00:14:31,920 Speaker 2: to contact us are in the show notes and please subscribe, 310 00:14:31,980 --> 00:14:34,300 Speaker 2: rate and review. We'll see you soon.