1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:00,240 Speaker 1: Now. 2 00:00:00,520 --> 00:00:02,640 Speaker 2: Last week on the show, I spoke about this shocking 3 00:00:02,640 --> 00:00:06,120 Speaker 2: footage of a student in a school uniform laying into 4 00:00:06,160 --> 00:00:10,280 Speaker 2: another girl at kmart at Kula Linga. We've now got 5 00:00:10,280 --> 00:00:12,840 Speaker 2: a statement from the Department of Education in regards to 6 00:00:12,880 --> 00:00:16,400 Speaker 2: that incident. They have said, the Department of Education is 7 00:00:16,440 --> 00:00:20,120 Speaker 2: aware of an incident involving to Midmin College students on 8 00:00:20,320 --> 00:00:23,319 Speaker 2: the ninth of May. Off school premises the principal is 9 00:00:23,360 --> 00:00:26,439 Speaker 2: managing the incident and is providing support to the families 10 00:00:26,560 --> 00:00:31,440 Speaker 2: and students involved. The Department condemns violence in any form, 11 00:00:31,760 --> 00:00:33,720 Speaker 2: With the health and wellbeing of all members of our 12 00:00:33,800 --> 00:00:38,040 Speaker 2: school community a priority. The Department continues to work closely 13 00:00:38,080 --> 00:00:42,120 Speaker 2: with our schools to educate students and their families on positive, 14 00:00:42,320 --> 00:00:46,440 Speaker 2: safe and respectful behaviors. Now joining us on the line 15 00:00:46,680 --> 00:00:50,240 Speaker 2: right now is Beverly rata Hei. Beverly is the former 16 00:00:50,360 --> 00:00:52,479 Speaker 2: board chair of to Midmin College. 17 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:53,920 Speaker 3: Good morning to you, Beverly. 18 00:00:54,440 --> 00:00:56,600 Speaker 1: Good morning kav and to the listeners. 19 00:00:56,720 --> 00:00:57,600 Speaker 3: Lovely to have you. 20 00:00:58,960 --> 00:01:02,600 Speaker 1: Yes, I've seen a lot of student behavior in over 21 00:01:02,640 --> 00:01:06,920 Speaker 1: a decade as chair, but I was actually shocked by 22 00:01:07,600 --> 00:01:11,680 Speaker 1: this video because it was just so vicious and so 23 00:01:11,880 --> 00:01:12,400 Speaker 1: very cruel. 24 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:13,840 Speaker 3: I felt the same. 25 00:01:13,880 --> 00:01:16,240 Speaker 2: In fact, I felt pretty sick in the guts when 26 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:19,120 Speaker 2: I watched it because I thought to myself, I cannot 27 00:01:19,280 --> 00:01:23,560 Speaker 2: imagine how you'd feel watching that if that's someone you 28 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:25,480 Speaker 2: know or your child. 29 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:31,720 Speaker 1: Well not only that, Kadi, absolutely, but if anybody did 30 00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:34,720 Speaker 1: that to an animal, they would be prosecuted through the 31 00:01:34,720 --> 00:01:38,960 Speaker 1: court by the RSPCA. You know, it is just as 32 00:01:38,959 --> 00:01:41,960 Speaker 1: I said, I've seen a lot, but that truly I 33 00:01:41,959 --> 00:01:45,080 Speaker 1: did have a physical reaction to it. It was just shocking. Yeah, same, 34 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:48,960 Speaker 1: you know, like it is a community problem, and I'm 35 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:51,960 Speaker 1: not one to say if the government should fix everything, 36 00:01:52,040 --> 00:01:56,400 Speaker 1: because first and foremost parents are responsible for controlling their children. 37 00:01:56,440 --> 00:01:58,840 Speaker 1: And I know parents in cards, yep, and I know 38 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:01,280 Speaker 1: that there's a lot of kids who don't live in 39 00:02:01,400 --> 00:02:05,680 Speaker 1: ideal parent situations. But what I'm concerned about, and why 40 00:02:05,760 --> 00:02:09,120 Speaker 1: I've been contacted by a number of parents, is because 41 00:02:09,560 --> 00:02:14,840 Speaker 1: they are very concerned about what consequences there are. Because 42 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:18,720 Speaker 1: the Department of Education has got the ball. Parents were 43 00:02:18,760 --> 00:02:24,280 Speaker 1: trying to locate the cent and information on the internet, 44 00:02:24,919 --> 00:02:27,840 Speaker 1: and there used to be some information about you know, 45 00:02:27,880 --> 00:02:30,640 Speaker 1: what sort of offenses would result in how many days 46 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:34,200 Speaker 1: Now as soon as I saw that video was that 47 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:36,679 Speaker 1: should be the maximum. Now the maximum I believe is 48 00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:39,800 Speaker 1: still twenty days. But that information has disappeared off the 49 00:02:39,840 --> 00:02:44,320 Speaker 1: internet and parents need to know that sending their kids 50 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:47,640 Speaker 1: to school next week that this isn't likely to happen 51 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:50,760 Speaker 1: within school grounds. So you know, like the amount of 52 00:02:50,760 --> 00:02:56,280 Speaker 1: information available to parents isn't there, and they're not confident 53 00:02:56,320 --> 00:03:00,480 Speaker 1: that the principle is actually dealing with the issue thing. 54 00:03:00,680 --> 00:03:03,239 Speaker 1: What consequences for that student who are filming it? That 55 00:03:03,280 --> 00:03:06,720 Speaker 1: should be makes among consequences too. But this business of 56 00:03:06,840 --> 00:03:11,120 Speaker 1: being suspended at home where you're sitting around or free 57 00:03:11,160 --> 00:03:14,200 Speaker 1: to wander out the community and read more heavy is 58 00:03:14,240 --> 00:03:18,639 Speaker 1: not off. You know, there needs to be alternities suspension 59 00:03:18,680 --> 00:03:23,000 Speaker 1: programs and I understand New South Wales run which is 60 00:03:23,040 --> 00:03:27,560 Speaker 1: based on success in Canada and Europe, and you know, 61 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:31,120 Speaker 1: like you would know, Katie, there are some very red 62 00:03:31,160 --> 00:03:35,000 Speaker 1: flags in that video that behavior. Now, we can't be 63 00:03:35,080 --> 00:03:38,839 Speaker 1: waiting till this transfers to Mitchell Street on a Saturday night. 64 00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:43,480 Speaker 1: You know, these alternative suspension programs believe you know, they 65 00:03:43,520 --> 00:03:46,880 Speaker 1: work with the parents, with the families, new workers, They 66 00:03:46,920 --> 00:03:50,720 Speaker 1: try and address the behaviors, the anger management, all those 67 00:03:50,760 --> 00:03:52,520 Speaker 1: things during that period of. 68 00:03:52,480 --> 00:03:56,280 Speaker 2: So Beverly, that happens already in New South Wales. They've 69 00:03:56,280 --> 00:03:58,840 Speaker 2: got am They've got a program like that happening in 70 00:03:58,920 --> 00:03:59,800 Speaker 2: New South Wales. 71 00:04:00,480 --> 00:04:03,120 Speaker 1: Yes, I believe, and I've just researched it further on 72 00:04:03,160 --> 00:04:07,320 Speaker 1: the weekend yep. And that should be like there should 73 00:04:07,360 --> 00:04:11,440 Speaker 1: never be a child suspender given most of the suspensions 74 00:04:11,480 --> 00:04:15,800 Speaker 1: would be for violence, right, so to get suspended that 75 00:04:16,640 --> 00:04:21,080 Speaker 1: is the last resort. So we need to absolutely be targeting. 76 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:23,880 Speaker 1: I had these discussions with the Chief Executive and the 77 00:04:23,960 --> 00:04:29,240 Speaker 1: acting sorry the Deputy a men of probably three four 78 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:32,040 Speaker 1: years ago when I was acting president of COGSO and 79 00:04:32,120 --> 00:04:34,920 Speaker 1: then also as chairman of to men. Men, but where 80 00:04:34,920 --> 00:04:36,920 Speaker 1: are we They've gopped the ball, so they need to 81 00:04:36,920 --> 00:04:38,840 Speaker 1: pick that ball up, they need to run with it 82 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:43,920 Speaker 1: and they need to absolutely be ensuring that suspension meets 83 00:04:43,960 --> 00:04:45,960 Speaker 1: the expectations of the school community. 84 00:04:46,240 --> 00:04:47,719 Speaker 3: I totally agree with you. 85 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:52,320 Speaker 2: You know, like I think to myself, I can understand that, 86 00:04:52,720 --> 00:04:56,000 Speaker 2: you know, expelling a kid from school is not the 87 00:04:56,080 --> 00:04:57,960 Speaker 2: best thing to do in a lot of cases because 88 00:04:57,960 --> 00:05:00,560 Speaker 2: then you're sort of you know, then you know you 89 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:03,200 Speaker 2: could be chucking a kid out and that's it, you know, 90 00:05:03,240 --> 00:05:06,440 Speaker 2: their options are over, but there needs to be some 91 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:10,800 Speaker 2: kind of consequence to actions. And this particular incident that 92 00:05:10,839 --> 00:05:13,120 Speaker 2: we've seen, but also some of the others that I've 93 00:05:13,160 --> 00:05:16,400 Speaker 2: seen posted as well, where it seems as though you've 94 00:05:16,400 --> 00:05:19,000 Speaker 2: got a group of kids or a couple of kids 95 00:05:19,080 --> 00:05:22,240 Speaker 2: or teenagers going up. They're sort of you know, they're 96 00:05:22,279 --> 00:05:26,400 Speaker 2: targeting another person, another child, one of their friends is 97 00:05:26,480 --> 00:05:29,520 Speaker 2: videoing at They're not only on the receiving end then 98 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:32,800 Speaker 2: of getting punched in the face or getting assaulted, but 99 00:05:33,040 --> 00:05:38,159 Speaker 2: then it's posted online for everybody to see. And I'm 100 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:41,479 Speaker 2: looking right now this video hasn't even been taken down. 101 00:05:42,520 --> 00:05:45,840 Speaker 1: No, And I do support Chief Minister Lawla is absolutely 102 00:05:45,880 --> 00:05:48,080 Speaker 1: on the right track. We're trying to take on these 103 00:05:48,080 --> 00:05:53,080 Speaker 1: social media companies and get it down. But the other thing, Katie, 104 00:05:53,440 --> 00:05:57,440 Speaker 1: this is a whole of community problem. And what I 105 00:05:57,640 --> 00:06:02,440 Speaker 1: also note is that a lot of these kids play sports. 106 00:06:02,520 --> 00:06:06,560 Speaker 1: So I've actually engaged with some sporting organizations because you 107 00:06:06,640 --> 00:06:10,000 Speaker 1: would know there's some shorts in there. Now. To me, 108 00:06:10,240 --> 00:06:14,440 Speaker 1: you can't be suspended getting home or breaking more havoc 109 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:18,000 Speaker 1: for twenty days of school and then being allowed to 110 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:20,280 Speaker 1: play sport on a weekend and probably getting you know, 111 00:06:20,360 --> 00:06:23,279 Speaker 1: the most valuable player or something. We all have to 112 00:06:23,320 --> 00:06:27,359 Speaker 1: be working together to make sure there are consequences and clear, 113 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:32,760 Speaker 1: clear signaling of what is not on neuotolerance wine in 114 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:34,640 Speaker 1: the sand, and this is what's going to. 115 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:36,760 Speaker 3: Happen badly tell me. 116 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:42,000 Speaker 1: And as you know, constables must come back. I've have 117 00:06:42,200 --> 00:06:50,719 Speaker 1: you reporting the decimation of early intervention prevention diversion school counselors. Again, 118 00:06:50,760 --> 00:06:54,320 Speaker 1: I'm hearing some verial on the server decline of their 119 00:06:54,560 --> 00:06:57,040 Speaker 1: youth workers. We need to be throwing all of these 120 00:06:57,040 --> 00:06:59,800 Speaker 1: seat resources into schools for prevention. 121 00:07:00,440 --> 00:07:02,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, look that you know both of those things that 122 00:07:02,680 --> 00:07:05,159 Speaker 2: you've just touched on there, the school constables, but also 123 00:07:05,960 --> 00:07:09,760 Speaker 2: you know the actual you know, the school counselors. I've 124 00:07:09,760 --> 00:07:11,920 Speaker 2: had that, I've actually had that raise with me by 125 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:14,680 Speaker 2: kids and they continue to raise it with me, so 126 00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:18,760 Speaker 2: literally by teenagers saying to me, we we don't know 127 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:19,360 Speaker 2: what to do. 128 00:07:19,600 --> 00:07:21,000 Speaker 3: The school doesn't sort of know what. 129 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:24,080 Speaker 2: To do because obviously education's going well, this is the 130 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:25,960 Speaker 2: model that we're sticking. 131 00:07:25,560 --> 00:07:26,880 Speaker 3: With, yeap. 132 00:07:27,320 --> 00:07:30,720 Speaker 1: And look, they are plugging holes, and I suggest they're 133 00:07:30,720 --> 00:07:35,320 Speaker 1: plugging holes with a lack of counselors because they're not 134 00:07:35,400 --> 00:07:38,640 Speaker 1: an employer of choice, like if you can't have people 135 00:07:39,240 --> 00:07:43,440 Speaker 1: or sometimes people are actually leaving the department employed and 136 00:07:43,480 --> 00:07:47,320 Speaker 1: they're being prepared to be employed by the school representative body. 137 00:07:47,440 --> 00:07:50,680 Speaker 1: Now that should be a red flag to say, why 138 00:07:50,680 --> 00:07:53,680 Speaker 1: don't they want to work for the department, Beverly. 139 00:07:53,720 --> 00:07:55,640 Speaker 2: Can I just ask you quickly with some of the 140 00:07:55,720 --> 00:07:58,360 Speaker 2: videos that I've seen posted online and look, I know 141 00:07:58,440 --> 00:07:59,600 Speaker 2: that this is not only at. 142 00:07:59,520 --> 00:08:01,400 Speaker 3: One particul Kullar school. You see these. 143 00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:04,960 Speaker 2: Types of accounts pop up from time to time where 144 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:07,720 Speaker 2: parents send them to me, going, you know, have a 145 00:08:07,760 --> 00:08:10,560 Speaker 2: look at this. It can't get shut down. My child's 146 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:14,360 Speaker 2: a victim so many terrible situations. But what struck me 147 00:08:14,480 --> 00:08:16,000 Speaker 2: with some of the videos that I've seen is that 148 00:08:16,040 --> 00:08:19,720 Speaker 2: you've literally got teachers trying to intervene, trying to stop 149 00:08:19,760 --> 00:08:22,240 Speaker 2: what's going on in some of the videos that I've 150 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:24,440 Speaker 2: been shown, and some of them are from last year, 151 00:08:25,240 --> 00:08:28,320 Speaker 2: and it's not even stopping the kids, which indicates to 152 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:30,960 Speaker 2: me that they're not worried about the consequence to what's 153 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:32,400 Speaker 2: going you know, to what they're doing. 154 00:08:33,280 --> 00:08:36,160 Speaker 1: No, that's true. And I've also had, as you know, 155 00:08:36,200 --> 00:08:38,960 Speaker 1: apart from the parents ringing me going what would be 156 00:08:39,040 --> 00:08:42,600 Speaker 1: consequences and you know what should be the consequences as 157 00:08:42,640 --> 00:08:45,520 Speaker 1: a minimum. But yeah, they've also reported to me that 158 00:08:45,640 --> 00:08:49,120 Speaker 1: staff are leaving and why wouldn't you, Katie, Like seriously, 159 00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:53,920 Speaker 1: would you turn up to work to have in those 160 00:08:53,960 --> 00:08:58,000 Speaker 1: situations every day? It's just appalling. So yeah, I think 161 00:08:59,120 --> 00:09:02,400 Speaker 1: I think there's certain needs to be some further looking 162 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:05,840 Speaker 1: at I understand it's a shame that the new Minister 163 00:09:05,920 --> 00:09:09,400 Speaker 1: Fred didn't get down to twin Men before the AGM 164 00:09:09,559 --> 00:09:13,200 Speaker 1: because there would have been like a change over some 165 00:09:13,360 --> 00:09:15,120 Speaker 1: parents and some of those parents have been there for 166 00:09:15,160 --> 00:09:18,200 Speaker 1: a long time and could have given some really good 167 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:20,920 Speaker 1: feedback and you don't often have that when you're first 168 00:09:20,960 --> 00:09:23,120 Speaker 1: join a board because you don't know what you don't know. 169 00:09:23,280 --> 00:09:26,960 Speaker 1: But I think it's a missed opportunity for Minister moor 170 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:31,079 Speaker 1: Hand that if he hasn't met with the previous immediate 171 00:09:31,240 --> 00:09:33,840 Speaker 1: chair and some of those board members, that would have 172 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:37,440 Speaker 1: been very valuable information about some things that should be 173 00:09:37,440 --> 00:09:40,840 Speaker 1: happening at tmend Men. I mean I gave Karen Western 174 00:09:40,960 --> 00:09:44,240 Speaker 1: five pages of issues that had not been addressed by 175 00:09:44,280 --> 00:09:47,280 Speaker 1: the principal and business manager when I stood down and 176 00:09:47,320 --> 00:09:51,120 Speaker 1: she assured me she would attend to those, and my 177 00:09:51,280 --> 00:09:53,079 Speaker 1: understanding is that very few have been. 178 00:09:54,360 --> 00:09:57,120 Speaker 3: All right, well, Beverly, I really appreciate your time. I 179 00:09:57,160 --> 00:09:57,640 Speaker 3: always do. 180 00:09:57,760 --> 00:10:00,440 Speaker 2: Hey, someone's just message through asking his Bevie going to 181 00:10:00,520 --> 00:10:01,880 Speaker 2: run at the next election. 182 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:07,200 Speaker 1: Well, look, I am having discussions with a couple of 183 00:10:07,240 --> 00:10:10,560 Speaker 1: can or a couple of potential candidates in Nelson. Somebody 184 00:10:10,600 --> 00:10:13,720 Speaker 1: needs to run in Nelson. There needs to be independent 185 00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:16,480 Speaker 1: back because Garrett Mailey has delivered nothing for Nelson in 186 00:10:16,960 --> 00:10:19,200 Speaker 1: three and a half years. So we need to actually 187 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:21,760 Speaker 1: get a proactive independent to represent the people. 188 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:23,640 Speaker 3: Sounds like the doors open, Beverly. 189 00:10:25,520 --> 00:10:27,560 Speaker 1: Well, we'll see. We need to make sure there's an 190 00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:28,400 Speaker 1: independent there. 191 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:30,679 Speaker 3: All right, Well, we'll talk to you again soon. 192 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:32,800 Speaker 2: I really appreciate your time this morning talking to us 193 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:35,320 Speaker 2: as the former chair of course about that shocking incident 194 00:10:35,360 --> 00:10:36,320 Speaker 2: that we saw last week. 195 00:10:36,400 --> 00:10:39,360 Speaker 1: Thank you, Yeah, absolutely, Thanks Katie, thank you