WEBVTT - Rhys Nicholson - RUPAUL'S: DOWN UNDER- Judge Comedian etc

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<v Speaker 2>This chat, I'm joined by the wonderfully entertaining comedian Rhys

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<v Speaker 2>Nicholson and the first eliminated queen from RuPaul's Drag Race

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<v Speaker 2>down Under, which has its third season premiering this weekend

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<v Speaker 2>on STAN Australia. Reys Nicholson is an Australian born comedian

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<v Speaker 2>writer and actor who has been lucky enough to feature

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<v Speaker 2>in the Australian version of RuPaul's Drag Race as a

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<v Speaker 2>judge since it first began in twenty twenty one. I

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<v Speaker 2>honestly have been really looking forward to catching up with

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<v Speaker 2>Rees to get some insights on the latest series and

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<v Speaker 2>ask some pretty huge questions that I've had plaguing my

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<v Speaker 2>mind since the original series began well over a decade ago.

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<v Speaker 2>Then I will get a debris from the first eliminated queen.

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<v Speaker 2>As mentioned, I'm not going to mention their name now

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<v Speaker 2>at this point of the podcast, as you may not

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<v Speaker 2>have seen the first episode and I want to give

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<v Speaker 2>you that chance to catch up on Stan Australia, but

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<v Speaker 2>stick around after Nicholson to hear that part of the

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<v Speaker 2>podcast if you like. I will find out how hard

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<v Speaker 2>it is to get onto RuPaul's Drag Race in Australia

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<v Speaker 2>and what makes down Under different to the overseas editions.

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<v Speaker 2>Reese will lift the lid on the runway and will

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<v Speaker 2>share how many times the Queen's actually walk down that

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<v Speaker 2>runway and why. I will also get to the bottom

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<v Speaker 2>of how much time ruined Michelle are actually on set

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<v Speaker 2>and if Reese has made a proper friendship with them

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<v Speaker 2>during the last three seasons. Plus, we will get plenty

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<v Speaker 2>of exclusives from behind the scenes of RuPaul's Drag Race

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<v Speaker 2>down Under, which is now available to watch the first

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<v Speaker 2>episode on stant Australia. Now, anyway, let's bring reason to

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<v Speaker 2>the podcast and guys, I really hope you'll enjoy this

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<v Speaker 2>really special look at RuPaul's drag Race. Yeah, just so

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I'm in Warburton. That's why this isn't a

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<v Speaker 2>fake background. This is actually real.

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<v Speaker 1>I've all got a place in Dale fin It's a

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<v Speaker 1>hovel and it's going to be financially ruinous. It needs

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<v Speaker 1>to be like re stumped to the whole fucking nightmare.

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<v Speaker 2>I love that you're starting off really positive to start. No,

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<v Speaker 2>it's good to be able to get out into the

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<v Speaker 2>country after COVID. You kind of can do that because

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<v Speaker 2>we've worked out that we can do more away from

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<v Speaker 2>being locked.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, stuff like this, I'm in.

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<v Speaker 2>My underpants, which I was wondering, are you often in

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<v Speaker 2>your underpants? But like good from the top up when

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<v Speaker 2>you're doing rupe Paul.

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<v Speaker 1>No, because we and I think everyone has these like

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<v Speaker 1>fantasies that were like youth readers or something, and like

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<v Speaker 1>and say that, you know, the whole thing that like

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<v Speaker 1>Ruth not even in drag most of the time. It's

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<v Speaker 1>like not true. And also like sometimes yeah, but no,

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<v Speaker 1>we always we might get more comfortable, Like if I'm

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<v Speaker 1>wearing uncomfortable shoes, I might take them off because we

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<v Speaker 1>have to do the runway and then you've got to

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<v Speaker 1>kind of take photos of it. It's like I wish,

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<v Speaker 1>I wish it was just from here up all the time. Like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm wearing track pants right now, and I'm not wearing

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<v Speaker 1>any shoes. And because it's the only thing we do

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<v Speaker 1>is I'm lucky because I'm in a suit. Michelle will

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes put on slippers or something because it is so

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<v Speaker 1>cold in the studio, but Ruers often stays in a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of the more uncomfortable stuff, like she might take

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<v Speaker 1>the shoes off and stuff. But you know, there's this

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<v Speaker 1>whole like conspiracy theory that she's like barely in drag

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<v Speaker 1>or anything. And I gotta say she's in more drag

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<v Speaker 1>than I would be if I had been doing drag

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<v Speaker 1>for as long as her. I don't want to talk

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<v Speaker 1>out of school, but you know, the lady is in

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<v Speaker 1>her sixties and if finched for the gods and he's

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<v Speaker 1>sitting there for eight hours, it's fine.

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<v Speaker 2>I just thought it's a really fun place to start.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't mean to ask you whether or not you're

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<v Speaker 2>but you've given me some really good tea.

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<v Speaker 3>There.

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<v Speaker 2>People be like, oh my gosh, Ben, you didn't ask

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<v Speaker 2>anything and you've got.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, I'm an open book. I'm happy to talk

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<v Speaker 1>about anything other than the same usual four questions like it.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh do you know what's so weird is that people

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<v Speaker 2>ask the same questions and like, I don't think they

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<v Speaker 2>all know, because the look on their face when they

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<v Speaker 2>approach you on the street to ask you that question

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<v Speaker 2>looks like it might be brand new information or a

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<v Speaker 2>brand new question, or they're the new Oprah Winfrey asking

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<v Speaker 2>you this one.

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<v Speaker 1>So sometimes you get shocking. When I was in I

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<v Speaker 1>went to London Pride a few weeks ago, and a woman,

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<v Speaker 1>a very drunk lady and I don't know if she

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<v Speaker 1>was just drunk or maybe she was under the influence

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<v Speaker 1>of other things, came up to me and was like

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<v Speaker 1>very passionate to tell me that she loves me. On

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<v Speaker 1>drag race and because I'm just an asshole and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>just myself on that show. Those are exact words, and

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, Oh, I'm not aware that was.

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<v Speaker 3>My How about your drink lanscation?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know, like just like because you're just You're

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<v Speaker 1>just an asshole and you're just you. You're just you

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<v Speaker 1>on there, and I was like, Oh, I thought I

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<v Speaker 1>was the polar abdull of the group.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's very strange though, because like I did

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<v Speaker 2>Big Brother ten years ago, and people still come up

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<v Speaker 2>to me and say I'm the bitch in my friendship

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<v Speaker 2>circle and I'm like and I'm I'm like what, I'm like,

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<v Speaker 2>it's not who you think you are. But isn't that

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<v Speaker 2>funny that the interpretation of you on television can be

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<v Speaker 2>taken anywhere someone's watching it and relating to you because

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<v Speaker 2>they think they're.

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<v Speaker 3>Like you, or an actual fact, they're nothing like you.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they just have red hair. I think they've just

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<v Speaker 1>confused the shape of their head.

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<v Speaker 2>I saw you and Joel last year at your Christmas

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<v Speaker 2>Special and I honestly laughed for days. It was my

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<v Speaker 2>first time that I've ever seen you live, and I've

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<v Speaker 2>never laughed so much. And I honestly say, you are

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<v Speaker 2>the funniest comedian that I've seen live, and I haven't

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<v Speaker 2>seen a lot because I'm actually like a comedian, I

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<v Speaker 2>find not all comedians. I get like I have a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of friends. Again, they asked me to come along

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<v Speaker 2>to watch it, and then there's that moment where they

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<v Speaker 2>look at you and you're not laughing, and then I'm like, oh.

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<v Speaker 1>God, well, it's like it's hard as well. I think

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<v Speaker 1>also if you work in the kind of if you

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<v Speaker 1>work in the media and stuff, nothing really shocked this

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<v Speaker 1>c anymore either, and so like, and as a comedian,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't laugh very much in comedies anymore. If I'm

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<v Speaker 1>laughing in a stand up show, it means it's like

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<v Speaker 1>it's really you've gotten me. It's very nice of you

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<v Speaker 1>to say. I'm always glad when people remember that I'm

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<v Speaker 1>a comedian because of like you know, I've been compeding

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<v Speaker 1>for fifteen years and something very strange has been happening

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<v Speaker 1>where because of drag race, and I welcome it and

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<v Speaker 1>it's great, But they do not know I'm a comedian.

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<v Speaker 1>They just think I'm a professional drag judge. And I

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<v Speaker 1>always wonder, like, what do you.

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<v Speaker 2>They've just got you in a box, ready to get

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<v Speaker 2>you out, Ready to be a drag judge.

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<v Speaker 3>That's all you do all year.

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<v Speaker 1>I was doing it in Refringed last year and in Scotland,

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<v Speaker 1>and Karen from Finances on them in the same venue

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<v Speaker 1>as me after me, and so I would walk past

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<v Speaker 1>her audience every night, and so I would do my

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<v Speaker 1>show and they were selling quite well. I was having

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<v Speaker 1>fun and I'd walk past her audience and every night

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<v Speaker 1>someone would say, oh my god. Recent because they play

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<v Speaker 1>drag Race down Under on BBC over there, so it's

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<v Speaker 1>like free too wear, so a lot of people watch it.

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<v Speaker 1>Sometimes I find myself a little bit more famous in

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<v Speaker 1>the UK to a specific group than in Australia. But

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<v Speaker 1>the every night someone would say to me, oh what

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<v Speaker 1>do you do? Are you here to see Karen? And

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<v Speaker 1>I'll go, oh no, I just did my show. And

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<v Speaker 1>every night someone would be perplexed what I do? I'm like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>what do you do on stage? On a stand up?

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<v Speaker 1>Like what do you think? How do you think I became.

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<v Speaker 3>Petry of the penis? What do you think after the show?

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<v Speaker 1>But like, what do you think? I went to like

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<v Speaker 1>drag law school and became a drag lawyer and then

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<v Speaker 1>worked my way up and had to become a judge.

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<v Speaker 1>Like what do you I'm hoping to get on the

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<v Speaker 1>drag Supreme Court the next year.

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<v Speaker 3>It's crazy. It's crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I just thought it was funny because I

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<v Speaker 2>went along to see the show and I'd met you

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<v Speaker 2>once before, and I think you might have been like

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<v Speaker 2>not in your best mood, and so I was like, oh, okay.

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<v Speaker 3>And then when I saw you do it.

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<v Speaker 1>I think we met at a bar, right, I think.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Joel might have introduced us.

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<v Speaker 1>But two am I think from memory it was like

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<v Speaker 1>quite late.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, we both fewt like this.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, and I think we're in the smoking area

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<v Speaker 1>of a buck.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, there we go.

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<v Speaker 2>But you remember, I was thinking, I'm going to bring

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<v Speaker 2>this up anyway. I went to go and see the

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<v Speaker 2>comedy show and I saw Joel. I think Joel's funny,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, you know, he's a mutual friend of ours.

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<v Speaker 2>But then when you came on, I laughed so hard.

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<v Speaker 2>And then Joel texted me afterwards and said, what did

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<v Speaker 2>you think of the show?

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<v Speaker 3>And I wrote back and said, was so funny.

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<v Speaker 2>And then I realized that I always come across like

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a bitch like you comparing two people, but I just, well, I.

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<v Speaker 1>Remember watching you ten years ago, I'm big brother and

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<v Speaker 1>going I'm the bitch in my friendship group.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh well, I'll tie my hair red and we'll just

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<v Speaker 2>have it. We'll have a love of I just I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know. For some reason, I feel like I'm the

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<v Speaker 2>Simon Cow of comedians and I just go along and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just like really cranky where this is a good

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<v Speaker 2>plug just for your shows, because I've never laughed so hard.

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<v Speaker 2>And then I went home and was like repeating your

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<v Speaker 2>jokes to my partner, who didn't laugh because I didn't

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<v Speaker 2>have the skill set of being funny like that.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you know what I mean?

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<v Speaker 1>Like comedy is like stand up with very hard to

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<v Speaker 1>repeat as well. But I'm glad you like those shows

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<v Speaker 1>like we're doing We're gonna do we haven't announced the

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<v Speaker 1>dates yet, but with Joel and I are doing another.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't wait christmath Tuur because we love hanging out

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<v Speaker 1>like it and it's a really we're both like we've

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<v Speaker 1>been best friends for like ten years and it's it's

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<v Speaker 1>a way for us to hang out because we're both

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<v Speaker 1>are busy now, like we were just literally texting yesterday

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<v Speaker 1>trying to make a dinner happen, and we're both like,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's very it's a nice booked and left, but

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<v Speaker 1>try to make it happen. So we book in shows

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<v Speaker 1>so we can we have dinner, we go and do

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<v Speaker 1>the show, and then we go for a drink afterwards,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's a way and often like you would have

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<v Speaker 1>seen in the show, we're catching up on stage.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's what I liked about it, though it was

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<v Speaker 2>kind of conversational. I mean, you do in that show

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<v Speaker 2>very cleverly, get to have your monologues or whatever you

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<v Speaker 2>call it, when you kill and you do your bit,

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<v Speaker 2>but the bits in between didn't seem like they were

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<v Speaker 2>all pre rehearsed. Like you watch to listen to a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of radio these days, and radio producers are like,

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<v Speaker 2>be you didn't know that we pre planned everything, and

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<v Speaker 2>you're like.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, it did sound like yeah, I did know that.

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<v Speaker 3>I did know that.

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<v Speaker 2>But with you guys, it seemed like that we were

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<v Speaker 2>allowed to be a fly on the wall with some

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<v Speaker 2>real friendship going on, which I thought was really clever.

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<v Speaker 1>Anyway, Yeah, yeah, no, that was the dream.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks well, and now we're here sorry, welcome back to

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<v Speaker 2>another series of Roupulse drag Races.

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<v Speaker 3>B Oh the way we should talk about this?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, Like it's very exciting to be doing a

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<v Speaker 1>third one. It's nice. You know, you never know what's

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<v Speaker 1>going to happen, and I'm glad that we're doing a third.

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<v Speaker 2>When you first signed up for the series, though, did

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<v Speaker 2>you have any idea that was it was going to

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<v Speaker 2>be an ongoing get Do they say to you, look,

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to try it in Australia and see how

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<v Speaker 2>it goes, or were they or did you think you

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<v Speaker 2>were joining like this franchise that it is now?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean I think you hope, like you hope it's

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<v Speaker 1>going to be a franchise, like and you know, but

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't. You never know, like I was on a

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<v Speaker 1>on a year to year thing, like it's not they

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<v Speaker 1>don't and it's beside it every year what's going to

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<v Speaker 1>happen with it? And I hope I wasn't going to

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<v Speaker 1>be santinoed.

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<v Speaker 2>You'd imagine with these sorts of things, you'd be like, well,

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<v Speaker 2>there's so many gay comedians now, I mean even cheap.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not that.

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<v Speaker 2>But it's good that you can keep coming back on

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<v Speaker 2>the show. I really appreciate it as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, it is like and it's it's nice to like,

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<v Speaker 1>I definitely feel part of the furniture now, kind of

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<v Speaker 1>part of the family like it. You know, we we

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<v Speaker 1>all kind of get on really well. And it's also

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<v Speaker 1>what was what's really exciting about this year is like

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<v Speaker 1>the amount of guest judges we have proper like that

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<v Speaker 1>the weight was a little bit off Michelle and my

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<v Speaker 1>shoulders this year because we have the likes of Adam

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<v Speaker 1>Lambert and Maria Fatill and like some wild Amy Taylor

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<v Speaker 1>from Amel and the Sniffer is like sitting with us

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<v Speaker 1>and so you know, usually at the chats end when

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<v Speaker 1>I finished talking and now we get to listen to

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<v Speaker 1>someone else talk.

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<v Speaker 3>It's fun.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean that's the thing is like I think

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<v Speaker 2>when it was through COVID, there was so many things.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, you did have big names, like you think

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<v Speaker 2>you're Kylie and Danny in the first series, but yeah

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<v Speaker 2>they're on zoom and so that's not fun. You want

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<v Speaker 2>to be there next to them to be like hi, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And I never got to be like, you know, I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't get to meet Tiger because he met the Queens

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<v Speaker 1>and I wasn't there that day because it was in

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<v Speaker 1>a runway day.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I forget that you wouldn't be there for those

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<v Speaker 2>those sorts of bits.

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<v Speaker 1>You know.

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<v Speaker 3>I want to ask you about this. How you got

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<v Speaker 3>started on this. I heard a.

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<v Speaker 2>Rumor that RuPaul was watching you on Conan O'Brien all

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<v Speaker 2>one of those up laid shows and saw you doing

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<v Speaker 2>one of your sets, and that they reached out to you.

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<v Speaker 3>This way, Have I made this a Netflix?

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<v Speaker 1>I have a Netflix special and I think he's seen

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<v Speaker 1>because he tweeted out of the Blue my special on

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<v Speaker 1>Netflix and just said hilarious and I had an aneurysm.

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<v Speaker 3>Because that was never been the same again.

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<v Speaker 1>It was bonkers, and and yeah, so we did that,

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<v Speaker 1>and then yeah, I got it. I knew there was

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<v Speaker 1>kind of names being floated around, and I knew that

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<v Speaker 1>I was on the long list, and then yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>got a call on a Sunday to say that it

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<v Speaker 1>was happening. And yeah, I think because he is. I

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<v Speaker 1>think he's so much more involved than people think. And

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<v Speaker 1>I think that was part of it, Like there was

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<v Speaker 1>some bigger names, but I think he likes to have

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<v Speaker 1>people that we have a similar sense of human There

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<v Speaker 1>was a particular story in and you know, he's very

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<v Speaker 1>open about this that he's had. He's done a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of drugs in his life. He's a sober person now.

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<v Speaker 1>But there's a story in my Netflix special about taking

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<v Speaker 1>ketamine accidentally for the first time. I think he told

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<v Speaker 1>me once that that was a joke that really did.

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<v Speaker 1>That clinched it for him. He was like, you explained

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<v Speaker 1>ketamine perfectly, and that's how I wanted you on the show.

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<v Speaker 2>It's the only time in the world where you're going

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<v Speaker 2>for a job that your recollection of doing ketamine gets

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<v Speaker 2>your job.

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<v Speaker 1>You know your weaknesses. I've done drugs, Great, we'll take

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<v Speaker 1>You've got the job.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my god, it's crazy. It's crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>That's fantastic and I love that for you. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>the show's produced in New Zealand, which requires you to

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<v Speaker 2>pack up and relocate. I've got two questions for how

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<v Speaker 2>long do you have to move to New Zealand?

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<v Speaker 3>Four?

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<v Speaker 2>And do you get to hang out with Michelle Veasage

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<v Speaker 2>and RuPaul, you know on the off days, like to

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<v Speaker 2>go to subway?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, and get a roll together?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah? Yeah, we go get we go get subway together.

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<v Speaker 1>That's exactly what we do. No, we we do hang out.

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<v Speaker 1>We're usually there. I think it's like close to a month,

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<v Speaker 1>like usually it kind of depends on like COVID. COVID

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<v Speaker 1>was different. It's not as long as the like the

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<v Speaker 1>American ones, I know is longer. When I've met American queens,

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<v Speaker 1>they're like.

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<v Speaker 3>Were we were there for six years?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah? And I think also because we have a Sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>the American show has like eighty queens on a season

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<v Speaker 1>and they have to like get them, but you know,

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<v Speaker 1>we've got ten. Yeah, we do hang out. Michelle and

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<v Speaker 1>I we both like males, were like going to a

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<v Speaker 1>male and like we live near each other, Like we

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<v Speaker 1>go for luncheon and stuff, like we're not unless we

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<v Speaker 1>have other work to do. We're kind of because I

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<v Speaker 1>had a bit more work to do this year, usually

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<v Speaker 1>in the first year because I'd be on every kind

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<v Speaker 1>of second day because that's when a runway day is spoiler.

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<v Speaker 1>I do a little bit more kind of I get

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<v Speaker 1>to do some challenges and stuff this year. Okay, great, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and what else and yeah, But Michelle and I we

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<v Speaker 1>both like seafood and so we tend to every couple

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<v Speaker 1>of days go somewhere like we're just there to feel

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<v Speaker 1>when we're not working, we're kind of fill in time.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just starting to picture to bend out padems.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm picturing you both in like these Valua sort of

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<v Speaker 2>Julie Cooper Nickel from the OC track suits together walking

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<v Speaker 2>through News, Yeah, walking through Target and walking through Target

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<v Speaker 2>in big w.

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<v Speaker 1>Like her and her hair guy Craig, who does her incredible,

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<v Speaker 1>like I think he does her in the UK as well.

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<v Speaker 1>We tend to kind of yeah, we all just kind

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<v Speaker 1>of hang out, go to It's interesting. They're also much

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<v Speaker 1>healthier than me, like like they're all like vegans and

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<v Speaker 1>don't drink and all that, and like Michelle's got a

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<v Speaker 1>kind of immuno stuff that she eats particular things, and

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<v Speaker 1>so I'm always just like eating a burger and like

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<v Speaker 1>drinking a beer and they're just like eating like like

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<v Speaker 1>you know, delicious food but not not food for me.

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<v Speaker 1>But they're fun. Like I remember when we with Michelle

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<v Speaker 1>and I were going to this is last year. We

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<v Speaker 1>were going to go to a restaurant, Like there was

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<v Speaker 1>this nicely food restaurant we wanted to try, and I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, yeah, this one's a good one, I think,

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<v Speaker 1>and she said, I we should invite a couple of

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<v Speaker 1>the production crew as well. We did that, and then

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<v Speaker 1>it got even more, like more people started coming, more people,

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<v Speaker 1>and then Rue just turned up on the day. So

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<v Speaker 1>I'd picked this restaurant and the first thing Ruth said

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<v Speaker 1>when he sat down was like, so who picked this restaurant?

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<v Speaker 1>And everyone just pointed at me, And now I'm in

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<v Speaker 1>charge of like what it was very stressful.

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<v Speaker 3>To get a critique? Was it?

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<v Speaker 1>Like?

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<v Speaker 3>You know the show?

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<v Speaker 1>Did he? Yeah? I did get a chante you stay,

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<v Speaker 1>that was lucky.

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<v Speaker 3>The food was okay.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, things like Adam Lambert was on this year

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<v Speaker 1>and he took us out for dinner afterwards, Like it

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<v Speaker 1>is kind of amazing to see how excited people are

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<v Speaker 1>to be on the show. Like I'm so excited to

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<v Speaker 1>meet Adam Lambert, but then Adam Lambert, it is excited

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<v Speaker 1>to be on the show and meet off and we

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<v Speaker 1>all want this incredible sushi restaurant afterwards, and like partied

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<v Speaker 1>and talked about how we're all against a zempic.

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<v Speaker 2>I need a zempickctually. No, that's not a plug for that.

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<v Speaker 2>I would never do it, but I've definitely been watching.

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<v Speaker 1>We'd never do it, but if it was more known,

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<v Speaker 1>it would absolutely do it. Like if there was more

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<v Speaker 1>known about it, I would absolutely do it, but if

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<v Speaker 1>there was more anyway.

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<v Speaker 2>I keep thinking about all the people that I've assumed

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<v Speaker 2>that are doing it, And as soon as I assume

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<v Speaker 2>it because I've seen a picture of them on Instagram,

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<v Speaker 2>they say that they haven't done it. The next day

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<v Speaker 2>and I haven't said anything, I haven't written to them,

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<v Speaker 2>but I'm like, Oh, Kyle Richard's from Real Housewives of

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<v Speaker 2>Beverly Hills, definitely ombic. And then like the next day,

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<v Speaker 2>I am not on ozembic. I'm like she in my mind,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't ever what is going on. And I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>Kyle and jack yoh, Jackie Ohnderson, She's definitely on it.

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<v Speaker 2>And then she was on radio the next day. No,

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<v Speaker 2>so maybe my house is plugged. Michelle, though, was interesting

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<v Speaker 2>because I interviewed a person who was on one of

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<v Speaker 2>the shows, not Rue Paul's, but a different one and

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<v Speaker 2>said that she was very intimidating and they found it

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<v Speaker 2>really hard to get along with her. And then I'd

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<v Speaker 2>heard off the grapevine that you two had gotten along

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<v Speaker 2>quite well, so I was wondering, you know, was she

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit intimidated to start with, or maybe you're

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<v Speaker 2>both intimidating to each other and it just worked out.

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<v Speaker 1>I can confidently say I was not intimidating to her.

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<v Speaker 1>Someone could be holding a machete to her neck and

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<v Speaker 1>they would be intimidated by her. Now she's not. She's

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<v Speaker 1>not intimidating at all. And I think she actually puts

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<v Speaker 1>work in to make sure that she's not my publicist

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<v Speaker 1>and are actually just talking about this off air that

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<v Speaker 1>like she's this incredible person who wants everyone to be comfortable.

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<v Speaker 1>I think there's this idea of what she is and

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<v Speaker 1>Rude's the same. Rue is like so fucking funny, and

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<v Speaker 1>Michelle is so funny, like the you know, like when

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<v Speaker 1>they're walking down the run way, like for the work reason,

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<v Speaker 1>but when they're walking down the run way and we're

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<v Speaker 1>doing all our dumb puns, those are off Michelle's dome.

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<v Speaker 1>Like she's just and she's so fast and so witty

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<v Speaker 1>and funny, and she's just an incredible person to hang

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<v Speaker 1>out with. For that, Like, I think there's a generation

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<v Speaker 1>of perfon queer people and also kind of people that

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<v Speaker 1>have floated around the queer community that are just they

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<v Speaker 1>kind of have to be that funny to have existed,

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<v Speaker 1>like to you know, whether it be survived or gone

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<v Speaker 1>through the Eighth Crisis or like just when things were

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<v Speaker 1>a lot harder. You have to be you know. Rue

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<v Speaker 1>constantly says it on the show, like, you know, not

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<v Speaker 1>to take life too seriously. And I think they're both

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<v Speaker 1>really good examples of that, Like they're not intimidating people.

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<v Speaker 1>Every time you hear stories about Rubing, like intimidating on

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<v Speaker 1>set or something like that, I say, no, I think

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<v Speaker 1>what you're witnessing is someone being professional on set and

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<v Speaker 1>someone who is maybe a bit of an introvert who's

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<v Speaker 1>trying not to use all their energy chatting in between

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<v Speaker 1>shots like it's a really long day on set anyways.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think Michelle is the same. She's not an

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<v Speaker 1>intimidating person. And I'd be very interested to know who

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<v Speaker 1>said that she was.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh well, well we'll take that offline, but I'll definitely

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<v Speaker 2>tell you that one because I was really surprised because

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<v Speaker 2>I actually only had an interaction with her before and

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<v Speaker 2>after she was on a series of Big Brother in

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<v Speaker 2>the UK. Oh yeah, yeah and so and yeah. I

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<v Speaker 2>just remember thinking she was incredibly warm and and she

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<v Speaker 2>takes no bullshit.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's one thing, like she won't she won't bullshit

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<v Speaker 1>around with someone. No, like she won't talk about something

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<v Speaker 1>if she doesn't want to talk about something.

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<v Speaker 2>But I don't just remember like then as well, there

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<v Speaker 2>was like an All Stars season where Ador Delano came

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<v Speaker 2>back and we saw this scene and then left, and

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<v Speaker 2>we saw this interaction between those two, and I loved that.

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<v Speaker 2>We don't normally get to see them in the car park,

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<v Speaker 2>do you know what I mean? Like we only see

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<v Speaker 2>them on the things. So I found that super duper interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>And I just I take that kind of tough love

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<v Speaker 2>or that kind of honesty really well and I do

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<v Speaker 2>that to my friends, but other people can get really

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<v Speaker 2>turned off by it. So I think it's just one

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<v Speaker 2>of those things where you know, some personalities like that

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<v Speaker 2>can grade on others, where others it's like, thank.

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<v Speaker 3>You for being honest, you know, thank you for being here.

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<v Speaker 3>I would get so stressed.

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<v Speaker 2>I often think about it because, like when you're in

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<v Speaker 2>the industry for so long, you think, what would I

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<v Speaker 2>do if I'm rectacles And in this I would think

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<v Speaker 2>is there a lot of pressure on what your critiques

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<v Speaker 2>are during those runway looks, and is there an opportunity

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<v Speaker 2>to be able to to revoice something later on in

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<v Speaker 2>like post production and a pickup because or does it

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<v Speaker 2>just have to happen there all the time?

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<v Speaker 1>It just has to happen then on the time. We

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<v Speaker 1>record pretty much what you see if how we record it,

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<v Speaker 1>like the turnaround, Like I remember my very first day

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<v Speaker 1>on set. I was shocked and gagged gooped by how

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<v Speaker 1>quick it was in terms of you know, there's a

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<v Speaker 1>bit of waiting around in terms of like getting the

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<v Speaker 1>camera set up to you know, when we do deliberate,

0:20:28.080 --> 0:20:30.040
<v Speaker 1>like little dumb things like that, like and the Queens

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<v Speaker 1>go back to when they go to do go on

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<v Speaker 1>untuck and the what do they used to call it

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<v Speaker 1>on the old show, the Illusions Lounge?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, change it.

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<v Speaker 1>But when they go and go on untuck, we do

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<v Speaker 1>our deliberations and there's like a ten minute turn around

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<v Speaker 1>to do that. But in terms of like the runway

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<v Speaker 1>and everything, it is snappy. And so the way that

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<v Speaker 1>we do the puns is they walk down the wrong

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<v Speaker 1>way and this is all common nose people walk down

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<v Speaker 1>the run way once with music and it's very loud.

0:20:58.840 --> 0:21:01.240
<v Speaker 1>Rel likes it very loud, like kind of clubby, and

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<v Speaker 1>we see them and then they walk down with no music,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's when we say and it is straight away.

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<v Speaker 1>So my first day, I remember's bad.

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<v Speaker 2>You've just like one of the most like thought of

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<v Speaker 2>I've never missed a series of Rue pouls. Don't watch

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<v Speaker 2>all the international ones, but essentially all the mainstream ones.

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<v Speaker 2>And also I will say I'm enjoying Australia these days

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<v Speaker 2>more than the US one.

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<v Speaker 3>So it's nice.

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<v Speaker 2>I've obviously not read enough on the Internet to not

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<v Speaker 2>know the answer to that, or I've been waiting for

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<v Speaker 2>you to tell.

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<v Speaker 1>Me I can like and you know, I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>this is tea but like there's no writers on set.

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<v Speaker 1>There's no like teleprompters on set. Rue has an earpiece in,

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<v Speaker 1>but only to talk in the same way that you

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<v Speaker 1>know every.

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<v Speaker 3>Like Scotty Cam would have that on the block.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, exactly, Like so the producers can tell you

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<v Speaker 1>something's gonna happen. Everything is his decision, like it kind

0:21:48.280 --> 0:21:52.080
<v Speaker 1>of my experience of it, at least, it sometimes annoys me.

0:21:52.440 --> 0:21:54.520
<v Speaker 1>Like you know, the biggest conspiracy that Ru's not there.

0:21:54.600 --> 0:21:58.040
<v Speaker 1>Of course Rus there. But the thing of like, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>how rigged it must be. There's much what triggery is

0:22:00.880 --> 0:22:04.520
<v Speaker 1>Every reality television show have like and I think we

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<v Speaker 1>accept that in other shows and we do not accept that,

0:22:06.680 --> 0:22:09.679
<v Speaker 1>like there's of course things have to be fixed, like

0:22:10.359 --> 0:22:12.600
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, what's an example, like they missed a

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<v Speaker 1>shot so they have to get someone to ask a

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<v Speaker 1>question again, Like there's that sort of.

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<v Speaker 3>Thing, Reza I's going to say.

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<v Speaker 2>The thing that's funny about these shows is that there

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<v Speaker 2>is this I'm going to use your word riggory in

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<v Speaker 2>all reality shows. But the more popular they are, the

0:22:26.119 --> 0:22:29.080
<v Speaker 2>more scrutinized they are. And then you've got all of

0:22:29.119 --> 0:22:31.720
<v Speaker 2>these extra voices that are watching it and interpreting it

0:22:31.720 --> 0:22:33.840
<v Speaker 2>a certain way and thinking, oh, I think I know

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<v Speaker 2>what's going on. And then what we do on social

0:22:36.520 --> 0:22:39.439
<v Speaker 2>media these days is we write what we think is

0:22:39.440 --> 0:22:42.800
<v Speaker 2>an opinion as a fact, and then people then just

0:22:43.080 --> 0:22:46.200
<v Speaker 2>it spreads like wildfire, you know what I mean? Anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>how secretive is the set? How stressful is it due

0:22:51.480 --> 0:22:53.600
<v Speaker 2>to sign a contract saying you'll never say anything to anyone?

0:22:53.800 --> 0:22:55.560
<v Speaker 2>I mean, is it quite stressful? Do they have to

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<v Speaker 2>like put you in a van with blacked out windows.

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<v Speaker 2>What sort of lengths are they going?

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<v Speaker 1>The queens are probably treated a little bit differently than than.

0:23:03.560 --> 0:23:06.240
<v Speaker 2>I am in the morning and snuffle you in a

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<v Speaker 2>bag and drag you out of the room.

0:23:07.760 --> 0:23:09.399
<v Speaker 1>Like I know that, like and I think this happens

0:23:09.400 --> 0:23:12.000
<v Speaker 1>in all the franchises. They stay in their hotel rooms

0:23:12.040 --> 0:23:13.960
<v Speaker 1>and like they can't they don't have their phones and

0:23:13.960 --> 0:23:16.120
<v Speaker 1>all that kind of stuff. But that's pretty regular of

0:23:16.280 --> 0:23:19.520
<v Speaker 1>all reality television programs. They don't have phones on Survivor,

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<v Speaker 1>for example, it would have made it a lot easier

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<v Speaker 1>just order a pizza. But the no, it's like there's

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<v Speaker 1>not too much. The first season there was like we're

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<v Speaker 1>filming in the studio in Auckland and there's a car

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<v Speaker 1>park and before I was announced, they you know I wasn't.

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<v Speaker 1>But no, like now that we're going, you know, it's

0:23:36.760 --> 0:23:39.520
<v Speaker 1>not like there's deep paparazzi kind of there is like

0:23:39.560 --> 0:23:42.040
<v Speaker 1>a little bit like there's a there's an apartment block

0:23:42.119 --> 0:23:44.600
<v Speaker 1>across from our studio and sometimes you'll see some kind

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<v Speaker 1>of luky lose if you've kind of seen me.

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<v Speaker 2>Just like that's in every apartment it depends on in

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<v Speaker 2>the car park.

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<v Speaker 1>The but yeah, there's not too much secrecy really, Like

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<v Speaker 1>I get to work every day and get told what

0:23:59.080 --> 0:24:01.679
<v Speaker 1>happened the night before and that sort of thing. But

0:24:01.920 --> 0:24:05.520
<v Speaker 1>you know, it's not this kind of like, oh, no

0:24:05.560 --> 0:24:07.879
<v Speaker 1>one can know, like because I think we're getting to

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<v Speaker 1>the point where with all the franchises, people want to

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<v Speaker 1>keep it a little bit of a fun secret to understand.

0:24:13.280 --> 0:24:15.080
<v Speaker 1>It's like, you know, they don't want to ruin everything.

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<v Speaker 1>It is. It is always wild to me. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know how to use Reddit, but every time someone shows

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<v Speaker 1>me something, how like I can't imagine who is leaking

0:24:23.440 --> 0:24:25.720
<v Speaker 1>things on set. I don't think that, but sometimes you

0:24:25.840 --> 0:24:28.760
<v Speaker 1>just fans, just especially the when they guess the lineups

0:24:28.760 --> 0:24:32.960
<v Speaker 1>and that sort of thing, like they're terrifyingly accurate before

0:24:33.040 --> 0:24:37.160
<v Speaker 1>queens are even confirmed. And I find that always really wild, terrifying.

0:24:37.240 --> 0:24:40.879
<v Speaker 1>There's some like soothsayer, some twinkie soothsayer somewhere like throwing

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<v Speaker 1>the ruins out and guessing who the queens are going

0:24:43.560 --> 0:24:45.720
<v Speaker 1>to be, and then there's always one guess that's like

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<v Speaker 1>and also Courtney Act is going to host this year,

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<v Speaker 1>and you're like.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh god, every note I don't think that's gonna happen.

0:24:53.040 --> 0:24:55.399
<v Speaker 2>I've had I've had Courtney on the podcast, and I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think that's happening.

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<v Speaker 3>Just from some of the tea that she's built.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like not getting involved in that. I'm not getting involved.

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<v Speaker 3>In that, no neither of mine.

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<v Speaker 2>Did you see me trying to look the other way

0:25:02.840 --> 0:25:05.000
<v Speaker 2>to try and bring something else in. But it is

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<v Speaker 2>like a lot of people these days are like they're

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<v Speaker 2>they're like psychics, you know what I mean, Like they're

0:25:11.440 --> 0:25:13.840
<v Speaker 2>not very good psychics, so theyre just to think, oh

0:25:14.119 --> 0:25:18.200
<v Speaker 2>the psykicks. Yeah, yeah, great, I'm glad that we've got

0:25:18.200 --> 0:25:18.560
<v Speaker 2>that clear.

0:25:18.600 --> 0:25:19.840
<v Speaker 3>So psychics, that's what they're like.

0:25:19.880 --> 0:25:22.200
<v Speaker 2>And then they write something we are running out of time,

0:25:22.280 --> 0:25:24.359
<v Speaker 2>So I'm going to get into just some other things

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<v Speaker 2>really quickly that I just can't not not ask you.

0:25:26.359 --> 0:25:28.399
<v Speaker 2>But so we've been around the drag circuit of Melbourne

0:25:28.400 --> 0:25:30.920
<v Speaker 2>for a long time, and you more so probably right

0:25:30.960 --> 0:25:33.399
<v Speaker 2>around Australia. Is there a drag queen in Australia that

0:25:33.440 --> 0:25:35.600
<v Speaker 2>you are surprised that we haven't seen yet?

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<v Speaker 1>She doesn't work so much of the drag queen anymore.

0:25:37.840 --> 0:25:40.159
<v Speaker 1>And this is more from my Sydney Partty Daves is

0:25:40.160 --> 0:25:44.680
<v Speaker 1>a queen called Dallas Della Force. Oh is this wild?

0:25:44.960 --> 0:25:47.920
<v Speaker 1>Like you got to look her up. She's incredible and

0:25:47.960 --> 0:25:50.960
<v Speaker 1>she she's moved to Tasmania now and doesn't do as

0:25:51.000 --> 0:25:53.880
<v Speaker 1>much drag anymore, but she and she does a lot

0:25:53.880 --> 0:25:57.600
<v Speaker 1>of the costuming for has like people might remember speaking

0:25:57.600 --> 0:26:01.320
<v Speaker 1>of courtneyc for earlier the Australia had the indigenous flag

0:26:01.400 --> 0:26:05.359
<v Speaker 1>on it. Yeah, her season, Dallas delas Force made that.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I think in that same kind of world,

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<v Speaker 1>I would love to see some more because I'm more

0:26:11.960 --> 0:26:14.800
<v Speaker 1>my partying Dave and being at bars at three am

0:26:15.560 --> 0:26:18.439
<v Speaker 1>were more Sydney based for me. And so there's this

0:26:18.480 --> 0:26:20.880
<v Speaker 1>whole generation, like you know, Vanity is like a big

0:26:20.880 --> 0:26:24.960
<v Speaker 1>one for me. There's a queen called Ruby Slipper in

0:26:25.359 --> 0:26:27.760
<v Speaker 1>Melbourne who's like she leaves kind of more. She's a

0:26:27.800 --> 0:26:29.480
<v Speaker 1>bio queen. I think that's the right way to word that.

0:26:29.600 --> 0:26:30.960
<v Speaker 1>I never know what the right term for that is.

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<v Speaker 1>She's a lady who also does drag. She she I

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<v Speaker 1>did drag recently properly for the first time, and she

0:26:40.160 --> 0:26:43.400
<v Speaker 1>did my faith and she's just this incredible queen. Who

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<v Speaker 1>else who else.

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<v Speaker 2>There's some Melbourne ones that I think of, and I'm

0:26:46.800 --> 0:26:50.080
<v Speaker 2>thinking of like DTS because I'm not even DTS. I

0:26:50.119 --> 0:26:53.080
<v Speaker 2>love Paris the drag queen, like Laura Gravity Paris.

0:26:53.160 --> 0:26:54.960
<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, why did I think of Paris.

0:26:55.320 --> 0:26:57.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Like there's some ones that I'm like, I don't

0:26:57.280 --> 0:26:59.600
<v Speaker 2>know whether they've been asked or they're too expensive or

0:26:59.640 --> 0:27:02.800
<v Speaker 2>the too old, or their style of drag or their

0:27:02.840 --> 0:27:04.840
<v Speaker 2>camaraderie is not going to be right fit.

0:27:05.000 --> 0:27:05.720
<v Speaker 3>I don't know what it is.

0:27:05.760 --> 0:27:09.280
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, there's a queen in Melbourne called Scarlet So

0:27:09.400 --> 0:27:12.920
<v Speaker 1>Hung Sun and she's pretty incredible. Like, I think there's

0:27:13.080 --> 0:27:15.920
<v Speaker 1>we're going through a fun transition in drag where yeah,

0:27:15.960 --> 0:27:17.960
<v Speaker 1>there is that kind of and we saw in last

0:27:17.960 --> 0:27:21.000
<v Speaker 1>season with like Minnie Cooper there can be clashes between

0:27:21.000 --> 0:27:23.280
<v Speaker 1>those two like the kind of and it's you know,

0:27:23.480 --> 0:27:25.480
<v Speaker 1>I think it happens in our community for a long time.

0:27:25.520 --> 0:27:27.359
<v Speaker 1>It's it's the same in like the Vogue scene, Like

0:27:27.359 --> 0:27:30.320
<v Speaker 1>there's the old style and the new style and within

0:27:30.400 --> 0:27:32.480
<v Speaker 1>Drag as well. And I think that's like some of

0:27:32.480 --> 0:27:35.840
<v Speaker 1>the exciting stuff to see because there's some young bitches

0:27:35.880 --> 0:27:37.880
<v Speaker 1>that think they have nothing to learn, who have everything

0:27:37.920 --> 0:27:40.760
<v Speaker 1>to learn and there's on the older side, there's that

0:27:40.880 --> 0:27:43.639
<v Speaker 1>as well. Like I think everyone you know, no one's

0:27:43.680 --> 0:27:46.000
<v Speaker 1>exactly right and no one's exactly wrong, and I think

0:27:46.040 --> 0:27:47.719
<v Speaker 1>that's what's the exciting stuff to see.

0:27:47.880 --> 0:27:50.479
<v Speaker 2>Mini Cooper was one of my favorite. I love Spanky

0:27:50.520 --> 0:27:53.080
<v Speaker 2>as well, Like, but Mini Cooper and Spanky Jackson last year,

0:27:53.280 --> 0:27:56.000
<v Speaker 2>like and the Queen Kong. I mean, the season the

0:27:56.040 --> 0:27:58.479
<v Speaker 2>Girls last year was so good. I mean it was

0:27:58.600 --> 0:28:01.960
<v Speaker 2>so amazing, Like I liked the conflict between people because

0:28:01.960 --> 0:28:04.639
<v Speaker 2>it wasn't too much, it wasn't too toxic. I just

0:28:05.000 --> 0:28:07.480
<v Speaker 2>I just really enjoyed the way that it all came together.

0:28:07.520 --> 0:28:09.200
<v Speaker 2>I thought it was really amazing.

0:28:09.800 --> 0:28:12.520
<v Speaker 1>This year will be really interesting because yeah, I can't

0:28:12.560 --> 0:28:14.919
<v Speaker 1>reference to this earlier, but like there's less of a

0:28:15.680 --> 0:28:18.360
<v Speaker 1>focus this year on drama. I think I haven't seen

0:28:18.359 --> 0:28:20.720
<v Speaker 1>all the edits, okay, so don't blame it on the edit,

0:28:20.840 --> 0:28:22.920
<v Speaker 1>but like there's not as many like you would have

0:28:22.920 --> 0:28:24.760
<v Speaker 1>seen the list, there's not as many kind of like, oh,

0:28:24.880 --> 0:28:26.960
<v Speaker 1>you're a famous queen that I know from social media

0:28:27.440 --> 0:28:29.639
<v Speaker 1>type of thing. There's a bit more kind of I

0:28:29.680 --> 0:28:31.560
<v Speaker 1>think the focus is more on the actual craft of

0:28:31.640 --> 0:28:34.440
<v Speaker 1>drag this year, and I find that very nice and exciting.

0:28:34.800 --> 0:28:37.919
<v Speaker 2>What do you think about Queen Kong's LOGI nomination considering

0:28:38.240 --> 0:28:41.320
<v Speaker 2>that she didn't win, Spanky Jackson won and then now

0:28:41.400 --> 0:28:43.880
<v Speaker 2>Queen Kong's getting all of these acknowledgments. Do you think

0:28:43.920 --> 0:28:45.640
<v Speaker 2>that has anything to do with the fact that Spanky

0:28:45.720 --> 0:28:47.600
<v Speaker 2>Jackson's from New Zealand or well?

0:28:47.680 --> 0:28:48.200
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, probably.

0:28:48.720 --> 0:28:51.120
<v Speaker 3>I want to know what your tea on that is, Well, I.

0:28:51.040 --> 0:28:53.840
<v Speaker 1>Got note you like, I think Queen had an incredible

0:28:53.880 --> 0:28:55.600
<v Speaker 1>and I don't know, maybe there is some sort of load.

0:28:55.600 --> 0:28:57.120
<v Speaker 1>Do you have to be Australian to get nominated for

0:28:57.160 --> 0:28:59.080
<v Speaker 1>LOGI Best Newcomer? I don't know, Like it's got to

0:28:59.080 --> 0:29:04.520
<v Speaker 1>be best Australianalent probably the I think they like the

0:29:04.600 --> 0:29:08.720
<v Speaker 1>three of them, Hannah, Queen and Spanky are like best

0:29:08.720 --> 0:29:11.520
<v Speaker 1>as a friends. They still do a BABS and it's

0:29:12.080 --> 0:29:15.320
<v Speaker 1>They are all perfect examples of Queens using drag Race

0:29:15.320 --> 0:29:17.520
<v Speaker 1>as a launch pad and not as an end goal.

0:29:17.720 --> 0:29:21.520
<v Speaker 1>And I think Queen had such an incredible journey on

0:29:21.560 --> 0:29:24.600
<v Speaker 1>that show was a really good example of what is

0:29:24.680 --> 0:29:27.680
<v Speaker 1>possible with Australian drag and what style of drag that

0:29:27.720 --> 0:29:30.200
<v Speaker 1>we do and what to do after drag Race, Like

0:29:30.280 --> 0:29:32.280
<v Speaker 1>She's I've known Queen for years, like she'd been making

0:29:32.400 --> 0:29:34.160
<v Speaker 1>kind of no, I wouldn't call it experimental, but she

0:29:34.240 --> 0:29:37.520
<v Speaker 1>makes incredible kind of queer theater as well and works

0:29:37.560 --> 0:29:39.880
<v Speaker 1>you know, in the kind of dance space as well,

0:29:40.240 --> 0:29:43.520
<v Speaker 1>and it's nice to see that being recognized by Like

0:29:43.680 --> 0:29:45.160
<v Speaker 1>can you if she wins? And I hope she does.

0:29:45.240 --> 0:29:46.840
<v Speaker 1>I think she's got a pretty good chance. Can you

0:29:46.920 --> 0:29:49.920
<v Speaker 1>imagine the speech, like to see you on Australian main street,

0:29:49.960 --> 0:29:53.360
<v Speaker 1>to see on Channel nine a queer man of color

0:29:53.520 --> 0:29:57.360
<v Speaker 1>who's like six foot dressed as a lady accepting a

0:29:57.440 --> 0:30:01.480
<v Speaker 1>Best new Comers.

0:30:00.040 --> 0:30:03.160
<v Speaker 2>Because I mean, also what I appreciated from Queen Kong

0:30:03.680 --> 0:30:07.200
<v Speaker 2>was the work that we've seen her do afterwards as well,

0:30:07.280 --> 0:30:11.120
<v Speaker 2>Like I've seen important work done there afterwards. Anyway, so

0:30:11.160 --> 0:30:13.160
<v Speaker 2>many questions to ask you, and people be so annoyed

0:30:13.160 --> 0:30:15.280
<v Speaker 2>because I'm sure I've missed all the big questions, those

0:30:15.320 --> 0:30:17.760
<v Speaker 2>top four questions that you've probably been asked by everyone,

0:30:17.800 --> 0:30:20.520
<v Speaker 2>and I've forgotten to ask any of them. But maybe

0:30:20.560 --> 0:30:23.160
<v Speaker 2>we've talked about things that are more interesting. I want

0:30:23.200 --> 0:30:26.040
<v Speaker 2>to know about your book because I have already pre

0:30:26.160 --> 0:30:29.120
<v Speaker 2>ordered that your book. I'm very excited about it. But

0:30:29.160 --> 0:30:30.920
<v Speaker 2>I know nothing about it. I just saw that I

0:30:30.960 --> 0:30:33.160
<v Speaker 2>saw your show last year, Obsessed, and then I saw

0:30:33.200 --> 0:30:34.360
<v Speaker 2>you have a book, so I had to buy it

0:30:34.400 --> 0:30:35.240
<v Speaker 2>because I love reading.

0:30:36.120 --> 0:30:37.560
<v Speaker 3>What is it about? What am I in for?

0:30:37.960 --> 0:30:39.240
<v Speaker 1>It's a book, It's a book of it. It's not

0:30:39.280 --> 0:30:42.800
<v Speaker 1>really about like, it's a book of essays and there's

0:30:42.840 --> 0:30:44.840
<v Speaker 1>like kind of some recipes in that. Like it's kind

0:30:44.880 --> 0:30:47.160
<v Speaker 1>of a writ called David Sedaris that I'll be like

0:30:47.440 --> 0:30:49.440
<v Speaker 1>and it's kind of meant to be like I would

0:30:49.480 --> 0:30:51.800
<v Speaker 1>not compare myself to him, but it's like a similar style.

0:30:51.840 --> 0:30:54.080
<v Speaker 1>Whether there's no I knew that I got a book deal,

0:30:54.160 --> 0:30:56.640
<v Speaker 1>and I knew that I didn't want to do one

0:30:56.640 --> 0:31:00.280
<v Speaker 1>of those like ten Steps to winning, Like I just

0:31:00.800 --> 0:31:04.400
<v Speaker 1>wanted to write like what my show is, what my

0:31:04.440 --> 0:31:07.720
<v Speaker 1>shows usually are is like a kind of jumble of

0:31:08.080 --> 0:31:09.880
<v Speaker 1>my thoughts, and then by the end of it you

0:31:09.960 --> 0:31:11.680
<v Speaker 1>kind of realize there's been kind of a theme. Like

0:31:11.720 --> 0:31:13.479
<v Speaker 1>the book, yeahs a book of that's it behind me.

0:31:13.760 --> 0:31:16.160
<v Speaker 1>It's a book of essays that each you can pick

0:31:16.200 --> 0:31:18.400
<v Speaker 1>it up and read an essay and that's that'll be

0:31:18.440 --> 0:31:20.840
<v Speaker 1>fine and funny, or you can read like all of

0:31:20.880 --> 0:31:23.400
<v Speaker 1>them and it will still have a kind of theme

0:31:23.480 --> 0:31:25.360
<v Speaker 1>and narrative to it, but there's no like, it's not

0:31:25.480 --> 0:31:28.320
<v Speaker 1>about anything. It's just kind of my like, you know,

0:31:28.400 --> 0:31:30.760
<v Speaker 1>there's about it's eighty two thousand words, so there's a

0:31:30.800 --> 0:31:32.600
<v Speaker 1>bunch of stories in there, but it's not really like

0:31:32.640 --> 0:31:34.880
<v Speaker 1>it's not gossipy. It's not like it's it's my stand

0:31:34.960 --> 0:31:36.120
<v Speaker 1>up but in book form.

0:31:36.200 --> 0:31:36.959
<v Speaker 3>But I love that.

0:31:37.040 --> 0:31:39.200
<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's it's a little trip into your I

0:31:39.240 --> 0:31:41.200
<v Speaker 2>love the idea that you're telling me about because it's

0:31:41.280 --> 0:31:44.000
<v Speaker 2>just really going into your mind and finding out, Yeah,

0:31:44.040 --> 0:31:45.080
<v Speaker 2>what's going on in there?

0:31:45.480 --> 0:31:48.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's kind of it's it's a cathartic exercise for me,

0:31:48.840 --> 0:31:50.960
<v Speaker 1>and I got paid a tiny bit of money for it.

0:31:51.000 --> 0:31:53.800
<v Speaker 2>Is Anthony Hopkins in there at all? Is he referenced

0:31:53.800 --> 0:31:57.080
<v Speaker 2>at all? She referenced she the dog that you met

0:31:57.080 --> 0:31:57.400
<v Speaker 2>the actor.

0:31:57.440 --> 0:31:59.360
<v Speaker 1>I was like, yeah, yeah, there's a couple of little

0:31:59.400 --> 0:32:00.360
<v Speaker 1>Hopkins stories in there.

0:32:00.360 --> 0:32:01.760
<v Speaker 3>I think, yeah, okay, yeah.

0:32:01.800 --> 0:32:04.200
<v Speaker 2>So that's one of my favorite things is when you

0:32:04.280 --> 0:32:06.760
<v Speaker 2>were talking about that, you were like, Anthony Hopkins, she

0:32:07.280 --> 0:32:10.120
<v Speaker 2>is the dog. That's just the most bizarre dog mame ever, But.

0:32:10.120 --> 0:32:11.000
<v Speaker 3>I love it. Well.

0:32:11.080 --> 0:32:13.440
<v Speaker 1>She the Welsh Springer Spaniel the best.

0:32:14.040 --> 0:32:17.040
<v Speaker 2>Just before you go, what is everyone gets this? What

0:32:17.480 --> 0:32:20.680
<v Speaker 2>is something from behind the scenes, something that we as

0:32:20.680 --> 0:32:23.080
<v Speaker 2>an audience won't see, but maybe like a behind the

0:32:23.120 --> 0:32:25.720
<v Speaker 2>scenes secret or maybe an anecdote, something strange that might

0:32:25.760 --> 0:32:28.320
<v Speaker 2>have happened to you. Whilst making the third series of

0:32:28.400 --> 0:32:29.040
<v Speaker 2>down Under.

0:32:29.240 --> 0:32:31.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Aj from the Backstreet Boys turned up to set

0:32:31.360 --> 0:32:34.120
<v Speaker 1>one day and we all went to see the Backstreet

0:32:34.160 --> 0:32:34.720
<v Speaker 1>Boys together.

0:32:35.240 --> 0:32:38.000
<v Speaker 3>Oh wow, it was like a wild.

0:32:37.840 --> 0:32:40.200
<v Speaker 1>Me Michelle and Rue went to see the Backstreet Boys

0:32:40.320 --> 0:32:42.600
<v Speaker 1>and the producer of the show.

0:32:42.200 --> 0:32:44.320
<v Speaker 3>Did you do some dancing a little bit? Like?

0:32:44.360 --> 0:32:47.040
<v Speaker 1>We all like it was very funny sitting there together,

0:32:47.640 --> 0:32:50.400
<v Speaker 1>like and just I was sitting in between Ru and Michelle,

0:32:50.960 --> 0:32:53.640
<v Speaker 1>It's just like what's in the back Street Boys? As

0:32:53.680 --> 0:32:57.680
<v Speaker 1>you do, I get the feeling like that kind of

0:32:57.960 --> 0:32:59.080
<v Speaker 1>I mean, that's kind of an anecdote.

0:32:59.120 --> 0:33:02.720
<v Speaker 3>Sure, I love that. People will love that as well.

0:33:02.760 --> 0:33:04.200
<v Speaker 1>It was such a long show, like it was a

0:33:04.240 --> 0:33:06.640
<v Speaker 1>fun show to watch, but boy, howdy with it? They

0:33:06.720 --> 0:33:08.560
<v Speaker 1>turned out the back three boys have a lot of thongs,

0:33:08.960 --> 0:33:11.200
<v Speaker 1>and I get the feeling. The long whoever the long

0:33:11.240 --> 0:33:14.120
<v Speaker 1>haired one is with the beard, I don't think he's

0:33:14.160 --> 0:33:18.480
<v Speaker 1>allowed to talk on stage. Everyone else everyone else said

0:33:18.520 --> 0:33:21.920
<v Speaker 1>something and he said nothing, and he said nothing. Everyone

0:33:21.960 --> 0:33:24.720
<v Speaker 1>had this moment that's like Auckland, it's been ten years

0:33:24.760 --> 0:33:28.120
<v Speaker 1>since we were here, blah blah, and then no talking

0:33:28.160 --> 0:33:29.480
<v Speaker 1>from him, not.

0:33:29.440 --> 0:33:30.840
<v Speaker 3>Even like the chewbaccer sound.

0:33:31.840 --> 0:33:35.120
<v Speaker 1>People like, I think he's like maybe ultra religious or something,

0:33:35.120 --> 0:33:36.680
<v Speaker 1>and maybe when he gets chatt and he might get

0:33:36.680 --> 0:33:40.640
<v Speaker 1>a little preaching purity rings. Yeah, but yeah, sitting there

0:33:40.640 --> 0:33:43.160
<v Speaker 1>with Ruin like because I kept thinking I got invited

0:33:43.720 --> 0:33:46.160
<v Speaker 1>and like we're all going yeah. So AJ turns up

0:33:46.200 --> 0:33:47.680
<v Speaker 1>on the set. It's the day that Adam Lambert is

0:33:47.720 --> 0:33:51.160
<v Speaker 1>also there, and so I'm just like sitting at the

0:33:51.160 --> 0:33:53.000
<v Speaker 1>panel just being like, what the fuck is going on?

0:33:54.840 --> 0:33:56.880
<v Speaker 1>And then he said, yeah, ill hook you guys up

0:33:56.920 --> 0:33:59.720
<v Speaker 1>with some tickets you come, and you just kind of think,

0:33:59.840 --> 0:34:02.520
<v Speaker 1>I keep you know, ru goes to a lot of stuff.

0:34:02.560 --> 0:34:03.840
<v Speaker 1>We do go yeah, like I said, We've got a

0:34:03.840 --> 0:34:05.960
<v Speaker 1>restaurants and that sort of thing. But you always think

0:34:06.000 --> 0:34:08.200
<v Speaker 1>in your head he's gonna decide he doesn't want to

0:34:08.200 --> 0:34:10.520
<v Speaker 1>come at the last minute. And then now and you

0:34:10.560 --> 0:34:12.960
<v Speaker 1>think is like, is like you know, almost seven foot

0:34:13.000 --> 0:34:16.400
<v Speaker 1>RuPaul going to come to spark the Arena and like

0:34:16.640 --> 0:34:18.560
<v Speaker 1>go to a big concert. But yeah, no, he turned up.

0:34:18.840 --> 0:34:21.360
<v Speaker 1>He had a mask on, and no, it's amazing to me.

0:34:21.440 --> 0:34:25.200
<v Speaker 1>You'll be standing there. This is wild as well. He's

0:34:25.280 --> 0:34:27.399
<v Speaker 1>you know, he talks in interviews a lot about playing

0:34:27.400 --> 0:34:30.919
<v Speaker 1>dirty charades, like he loves playing dirty charades. We play.

0:34:31.080 --> 0:34:33.640
<v Speaker 1>It's true, he loves playing it. We've played it like

0:34:33.680 --> 0:34:36.960
<v Speaker 1>four times of the years together. And on the street

0:34:37.000 --> 0:34:38.839
<v Speaker 1>when we were waiting for someone to come and collect us,

0:34:38.840 --> 0:34:41.160
<v Speaker 1>to take us in again another part of the universe

0:34:41.160 --> 0:34:43.240
<v Speaker 1>that I've never seen before. Someone comes from the venue

0:34:43.280 --> 0:34:44.640
<v Speaker 1>to take you into a little room and then we

0:34:44.600 --> 0:34:46.440
<v Speaker 1>can take into our seats. I was like, this is

0:34:46.640 --> 0:34:51.240
<v Speaker 1>the life. We played dirty charades and on the street

0:34:51.440 --> 0:34:53.280
<v Speaker 1>with him with a mask on, so no one knew

0:34:53.400 --> 0:34:58.320
<v Speaker 1>who is this seven foot man like acting out dirty things?

0:34:58.400 --> 0:35:01.760
<v Speaker 1>And it was yeah, RuPaul Charles.

0:35:01.719 --> 0:35:02.360
<v Speaker 3>I love that.

0:35:02.520 --> 0:35:06.720
<v Speaker 2>You know, You've really given me an amazing snapshot today

0:35:07.040 --> 0:35:09.279
<v Speaker 2>of all of these people in a way that I've

0:35:09.360 --> 0:35:12.440
<v Speaker 2>always wanted to know, Like I think you know, it

0:35:12.480 --> 0:35:15.359
<v Speaker 2>has been so amazing. I'm a huge fan. I am

0:35:15.400 --> 0:35:18.040
<v Speaker 2>in your audience and will always be. Thank you so

0:35:18.160 --> 0:35:21.160
<v Speaker 2>much for being so generous with your time and chatting

0:35:21.239 --> 0:35:24.680
<v Speaker 2>with me it's amazing, and good luck with the third season.

0:35:25.000 --> 0:35:26.960
<v Speaker 1>Thanks, I can't wait for people to see it. Good

0:35:26.960 --> 0:35:27.400
<v Speaker 1>to see you.

0:35:28.080 --> 0:35:31.319
<v Speaker 2>I absolutely love Reese, and I loved how chilled out

0:35:31.360 --> 0:35:33.400
<v Speaker 2>he was and how much tea he was able to spill.

0:35:33.440 --> 0:35:36.919
<v Speaker 2>I didn't really expect that anyway, here's a treasure. Now

0:35:36.960 --> 0:35:40.080
<v Speaker 2>stick around for our first eliminated queen. Please switch off

0:35:40.120 --> 0:35:42.480
<v Speaker 2>now if you don't want to know who has been eliminated,

0:35:43.000 --> 0:35:45.960
<v Speaker 2>and you have pretty much drawn out to do so,

0:35:46.080 --> 0:35:48.720
<v Speaker 2>because I'm going to welcome in right into the podcast.

0:35:48.719 --> 0:35:52.480
<v Speaker 3>Now, Hi, Amil, how are you good?

0:35:52.760 --> 0:35:55.439
<v Speaker 4>Crazy situation? Very well, how are you?

0:35:55.680 --> 0:35:57.600
<v Speaker 2>I'm very excited to speak to you. I mean, you're

0:35:57.600 --> 0:35:59.839
<v Speaker 2>the first queen coming out of down Under season three.

0:36:00.040 --> 0:36:03.120
<v Speaker 2>I definitely did not see that coming as the show

0:36:03.200 --> 0:36:06.239
<v Speaker 2>was going on, which is evidence to me that I

0:36:06.280 --> 0:36:08.000
<v Speaker 2>would never be a good judge on this show.

0:36:09.400 --> 0:36:12.960
<v Speaker 4>Well, you know, I feel like I also didn't see

0:36:12.960 --> 0:36:16.160
<v Speaker 4>it coming, so you know, we're in the same boat together.

0:36:16.480 --> 0:36:18.600
<v Speaker 4>I don't think I have a career in judging ahead

0:36:18.640 --> 0:36:19.320
<v Speaker 4>of me either.

0:36:19.719 --> 0:36:21.840
<v Speaker 2>You know, you were the only queen that I actually

0:36:21.920 --> 0:36:25.759
<v Speaker 2>knew of before the show. So, like the groundswall of

0:36:25.760 --> 0:36:28.719
<v Speaker 2>people talking about the show, and someone who I had

0:36:28.760 --> 0:36:30.640
<v Speaker 2>known of. I feel like I jinxed you because I

0:36:30.640 --> 0:36:32.879
<v Speaker 2>was like, oh, I can't wait to watch Amil knock

0:36:32.960 --> 0:36:33.880
<v Speaker 2>this out of the park.

0:36:34.120 --> 0:36:38.160
<v Speaker 4>Thank you. I'm glad. I'm glad that I've made an impact.

0:36:38.480 --> 0:36:39.799
<v Speaker 4>Get to keep doing that as well.

0:36:40.400 --> 0:36:43.560
<v Speaker 2>In reality is the pressure to perform in week one

0:36:43.960 --> 0:36:45.359
<v Speaker 2>almost a little bit too much?

0:36:45.520 --> 0:36:48.880
<v Speaker 4>Absolutely? You know, the pressure was insane and like the

0:36:48.960 --> 0:36:51.000
<v Speaker 4>night before, I had been up in my hotel room

0:36:51.080 --> 0:36:54.200
<v Speaker 4>until like three am doing the steps. Even though the

0:36:54.200 --> 0:36:56.560
<v Speaker 4>pressure was a lot, it did't feel good as well.

0:36:56.640 --> 0:36:59.239
<v Speaker 2>Well, I think, you know, it's luck, chance and circumstance,

0:36:59.239 --> 0:37:02.160
<v Speaker 2>and I believe this across all reality TV shows since

0:37:02.200 --> 0:37:03.440
<v Speaker 2>the beginning of them.

0:37:03.560 --> 0:37:07.040
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I think it's it's definitely better to go at

0:37:07.080 --> 0:37:10.480
<v Speaker 4>first rather than second. Or so I'm you know, sorry

0:37:10.520 --> 0:37:12.240
<v Speaker 4>to the girls who are going to follow me, because

0:37:12.280 --> 0:37:14.680
<v Speaker 4>I think, you know, first out you have, I think

0:37:14.680 --> 0:37:17.680
<v Speaker 4>you're fresh and people's memories for a while and people

0:37:17.680 --> 0:37:20.400
<v Speaker 4>feel sorry for you. So I think there are you know,

0:37:20.440 --> 0:37:22.560
<v Speaker 4>a couple of good things that definitely come with it.

0:37:22.920 --> 0:37:25.480
<v Speaker 2>Where did the name Amil come from? Is that a

0:37:25.600 --> 0:37:27.320
<v Speaker 2>name that you've had since you started drag?

0:37:27.640 --> 0:37:30.680
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, so initially When I started, my drag name was

0:37:31.040 --> 0:37:34.760
<v Speaker 4>Amial Clooney because it was a joke about Amaal Clooney,

0:37:34.800 --> 0:37:38.480
<v Speaker 4>George Clooney's wife and Amil substance. And I was like,

0:37:38.680 --> 0:37:41.680
<v Speaker 4>my kind of sounds like Amil. That was my drag name.

0:37:41.760 --> 0:37:45.359
<v Speaker 4>But no one got the joke. Too many people, I think.

0:37:45.400 --> 0:37:48.520
<v Speaker 4>I think I think a lot more about human rights

0:37:48.560 --> 0:37:51.560
<v Speaker 4>layers and than everyone else a little bit about the

0:37:51.600 --> 0:37:54.040
<v Speaker 4>people do. So I said, you know what, we're driving

0:37:54.040 --> 0:37:55.960
<v Speaker 4>the Clooney it's just Amil, and I feel like it

0:37:56.000 --> 0:37:57.160
<v Speaker 4>stands well on its own.

0:37:57.200 --> 0:37:59.239
<v Speaker 2>I think it's a great name. I mean, it's it's

0:37:59.280 --> 0:38:01.480
<v Speaker 2>something that's kind of traded. It's something that I've remembered

0:38:01.719 --> 0:38:04.480
<v Speaker 2>from hearing you doing drags, So I mean it's it's

0:38:04.480 --> 0:38:06.359
<v Speaker 2>a good name to have. I wanted to ask you, though,

0:38:06.560 --> 0:38:08.640
<v Speaker 2>do you know, and this is just a personal question,

0:38:08.719 --> 0:38:10.920
<v Speaker 2>can you still buy Amil in Australia? Was that?

0:38:11.000 --> 0:38:14.200
<v Speaker 3>Do they ban Ammil from being bought?

0:38:14.520 --> 0:38:18.200
<v Speaker 4>I remember, correctly you can't buy it without a prescription,

0:38:18.760 --> 0:38:21.280
<v Speaker 4>but you can if you go to you know, select

0:38:21.400 --> 0:38:24.080
<v Speaker 4>sex stores by VCR or let the Cleaner.

0:38:24.160 --> 0:38:26.719
<v Speaker 2>Still Wow, Okay, Because I really want I thought if

0:38:26.760 --> 0:38:28.600
<v Speaker 2>anyone's going to know it's going to be you, And

0:38:28.640 --> 0:38:30.920
<v Speaker 2>I'm just wondering, wonder what you go to the doctors

0:38:31.120 --> 0:38:34.600
<v Speaker 2>for to say I need a prescription for amil.

0:38:34.400 --> 0:38:37.400
<v Speaker 3>Like a sex, I believe you can't say it for

0:38:37.440 --> 0:38:37.919
<v Speaker 3>gay sex.

0:38:37.960 --> 0:38:41.480
<v Speaker 4>I believe. So that's that's sort of the I think

0:38:41.480 --> 0:38:44.920
<v Speaker 4>it was the Therapeutic Goods Administration that like did this

0:38:44.960 --> 0:38:48.040
<v Speaker 4>whole thing into it, and so yeah, I'm pretty sure

0:38:48.600 --> 0:38:50.560
<v Speaker 4>that's that's why. So there you go.

0:38:50.800 --> 0:38:52.319
<v Speaker 3>Well, I'm glad to clear that up.

0:38:52.400 --> 0:38:55.239
<v Speaker 2>What makes Australia and New Zealand at this point in

0:38:55.239 --> 0:38:58.320
<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty three, you know what makes our drag story

0:38:58.360 --> 0:38:59.160
<v Speaker 2>interesting to tell?

0:38:59.200 --> 0:38:59.680
<v Speaker 3>Do you think?

0:38:59.880 --> 0:39:02.640
<v Speaker 4>I think it's exciting now because it is so much

0:39:02.680 --> 0:39:05.440
<v Speaker 4>more diverse than it has been in the past. A

0:39:05.520 --> 0:39:08.640
<v Speaker 4>season we had seven queens of color, which is insane

0:39:09.120 --> 0:39:12.680
<v Speaker 4>for Australia and New Zealand especially, but even across the

0:39:12.719 --> 0:39:16.279
<v Speaker 4>whole drag Race franchise, it's crazy. So that's really I

0:39:16.320 --> 0:39:18.440
<v Speaker 4>think that's really special and really exciting because I think

0:39:18.480 --> 0:39:20.960
<v Speaker 4>the face of drag here is changing. But I also

0:39:20.960 --> 0:39:23.520
<v Speaker 4>think this season especially is great because we get to

0:39:23.520 --> 0:39:27.000
<v Speaker 4>see so many different styles of drag as well. I

0:39:27.040 --> 0:39:30.600
<v Speaker 4>think in the past couple of seasons, there's been one

0:39:30.680 --> 0:39:33.720
<v Speaker 4>or two sort of quite clearly established types of drag,

0:39:33.760 --> 0:39:36.520
<v Speaker 4>and this time around we've kind of got it all.

0:39:36.880 --> 0:39:38.800
<v Speaker 2>Do you think we have our own flavor?

0:39:39.160 --> 0:39:42.520
<v Speaker 4>Yes, I think I believe it was RuPaul who said,

0:39:43.040 --> 0:39:45.319
<v Speaker 4>I think it was the Graham Norton Show that down

0:39:45.400 --> 0:39:48.480
<v Speaker 4>Under drag is quote unquote a little bit more ratchet,

0:39:48.800 --> 0:39:51.560
<v Speaker 4>which I don't know if I intrinsically agree with, but

0:39:51.600 --> 0:39:55.200
<v Speaker 4>I think like we definitely are a little bit more

0:39:55.280 --> 0:39:59.680
<v Speaker 4>sort of I guess, irreverent, and a bit more I

0:39:59.680 --> 0:40:03.680
<v Speaker 4>think filthy for lack of a better word, which I

0:40:03.719 --> 0:40:06.399
<v Speaker 4>think is a really important part of drag. Honestly. I think,

0:40:07.440 --> 0:40:09.960
<v Speaker 4>I guess like the tradition that comes from like crost silicuity,

0:40:10.000 --> 0:40:14.120
<v Speaker 4>the desert style of drag, it's definitely very different down here,

0:40:14.480 --> 0:40:17.680
<v Speaker 4>and even though of course you know we're influenced by

0:40:17.719 --> 0:40:20.360
<v Speaker 4>them and you know, things that are happening in other spheres,

0:40:20.760 --> 0:40:23.279
<v Speaker 4>I think there is just like a very distinctly down

0:40:23.360 --> 0:40:25.880
<v Speaker 4>Under taste to what we do here.

0:40:26.320 --> 0:40:27.080
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I think. So.

0:40:27.360 --> 0:40:29.719
<v Speaker 2>You know what's interesting about this third season different to

0:40:29.800 --> 0:40:32.480
<v Speaker 2>season one and season two. I feel like the chemistry

0:40:32.480 --> 0:40:35.719
<v Speaker 2>between all of the Girls is quite different. You know,

0:40:35.960 --> 0:40:37.480
<v Speaker 2>last year there was a bit of conflict because we

0:40:37.520 --> 0:40:41.080
<v Speaker 2>had Mini Cooper in there, who I love. But this

0:40:41.160 --> 0:40:43.839
<v Speaker 2>year it seems like there's not as much conflict. What

0:40:43.880 --> 0:40:46.520
<v Speaker 2>do you think Do you think conflict is good in

0:40:46.560 --> 0:40:49.279
<v Speaker 2>reality shows or do you think people don't like it?

0:40:49.600 --> 0:40:52.120
<v Speaker 4>I think it is a mix of both. I think

0:40:52.160 --> 0:40:54.600
<v Speaker 4>when it's contrived, you can usually tell when it's not

0:40:54.680 --> 0:40:59.000
<v Speaker 4>very entertaining. When it's legitimate, it's kind of quite funny

0:40:59.000 --> 0:41:01.640
<v Speaker 4>and quite engaging. But I think conflict for the sake

0:41:01.680 --> 0:41:04.399
<v Speaker 4>of conflict is kind of pointless, honestly, because I think

0:41:04.440 --> 0:41:06.840
<v Speaker 4>people should be coming along to the ride based on

0:41:07.000 --> 0:41:09.560
<v Speaker 4>the drag, not the not the fights that happened. Yeah,

0:41:10.719 --> 0:41:13.440
<v Speaker 4>that said, you'll have to wait.

0:41:13.280 --> 0:41:15.799
<v Speaker 3>And see because the more conflict to come.

0:41:16.680 --> 0:41:18.480
<v Speaker 4>I think there might be a little bit of conflict

0:41:18.520 --> 0:41:18.839
<v Speaker 4>to come.

0:41:19.360 --> 0:41:23.239
<v Speaker 2>It's also like the very first episode of season two,

0:41:23.360 --> 0:41:26.080
<v Speaker 2>you felt like you got some front runners, Like there's

0:41:26.120 --> 0:41:28.640
<v Speaker 2>no clear front runner in my mind, that's sort of

0:41:28.680 --> 0:41:30.239
<v Speaker 2>been set up at this point, and I feel like

0:41:30.320 --> 0:41:34.640
<v Speaker 2>that we have seen the stronger personalities peering through the crowd.

0:41:34.960 --> 0:41:37.839
<v Speaker 2>How did it feel while you were there? Could you

0:41:37.920 --> 0:41:40.640
<v Speaker 2>see who the stronger coins were that were standing.

0:41:40.280 --> 0:41:45.600
<v Speaker 4>Out in my mind. The people that I was immediately

0:41:45.640 --> 0:41:50.920
<v Speaker 4>sort of drawn into were Law and Holly. Holly starting

0:41:50.920 --> 0:41:54.279
<v Speaker 4>off that number, coming out with such confidence and his

0:41:54.520 --> 0:41:58.160
<v Speaker 4>azz I was like, Wow, that's incredible. She's the one.

0:41:58.560 --> 0:42:02.080
<v Speaker 4>And then Flaw. Everything that Floyd did that entire first

0:42:02.120 --> 0:42:06.359
<v Speaker 4>episode made through cackle and she is just so like

0:42:06.480 --> 0:42:10.640
<v Speaker 4>arresting as a character in my mind in that first episode.

0:42:10.719 --> 0:42:12.480
<v Speaker 4>Those are the people who really stood out to me

0:42:12.640 --> 0:42:14.000
<v Speaker 4>as potential front rowers.

0:42:14.280 --> 0:42:17.200
<v Speaker 2>The challenge I thought this week were to me to

0:42:17.200 --> 0:42:18.799
<v Speaker 2>get you all to perform in a group I thought

0:42:18.920 --> 0:42:21.480
<v Speaker 2>was really hard and I could see that and I

0:42:21.560 --> 0:42:23.799
<v Speaker 2>was watching you moving around on the dance floor. I

0:42:23.840 --> 0:42:27.000
<v Speaker 2>was thinking, that's how I would be. That's that's exactly

0:42:27.320 --> 0:42:31.160
<v Speaker 2>you were. You were literally physically being the version of

0:42:31.200 --> 0:42:33.000
<v Speaker 2>myself that I would be if I had a Week

0:42:33.040 --> 0:42:34.839
<v Speaker 2>one challenge where I had to do like a dance

0:42:34.880 --> 0:42:36.840
<v Speaker 2>and singing gig I really related to.

0:42:37.239 --> 0:42:39.319
<v Speaker 4>It was hard as well, just because everyone was in

0:42:39.360 --> 0:42:42.440
<v Speaker 4>such big costumes and I was like, I don't want

0:42:42.440 --> 0:42:46.480
<v Speaker 4>to knockover Reta in her big thing, or like, you know,

0:42:46.760 --> 0:42:49.759
<v Speaker 4>get one of my eyes poked out by the feathers

0:42:49.760 --> 0:42:53.319
<v Speaker 4>in floors, shoes that are like this high, or you know,

0:42:53.880 --> 0:42:56.000
<v Speaker 4>there was so much going on or like to trip

0:42:56.040 --> 0:42:58.719
<v Speaker 4>ivery over with a like train thing, do you know

0:42:58.800 --> 0:43:01.600
<v Speaker 4>what I mean. So there was just so much to

0:43:01.600 --> 0:43:04.640
<v Speaker 4>think about. And it's not a big stage either, so

0:43:04.680 --> 0:43:06.799
<v Speaker 4>it was there was a lot going on.

0:43:07.160 --> 0:43:09.200
<v Speaker 2>I couldn't tell you, Well, how hard is it to

0:43:09.239 --> 0:43:11.320
<v Speaker 2>get onto this show as well? I mean now that

0:43:11.400 --> 0:43:13.359
<v Speaker 2>RuPaul's Drag Race is what it is. I mean, it's

0:43:13.360 --> 0:43:16.640
<v Speaker 2>this just this huge franchise all around the world, and

0:43:16.680 --> 0:43:19.560
<v Speaker 2>it's kind of side all of these drag queens everywhere.

0:43:19.719 --> 0:43:21.160
<v Speaker 3>What did you have to do to get there?

0:43:21.760 --> 0:43:24.120
<v Speaker 4>Well, we all have to submit an audition tape. Of course,

0:43:24.160 --> 0:43:27.279
<v Speaker 4>this is my first time auditioning to my own horn.

0:43:27.320 --> 0:43:29.360
<v Speaker 4>I know a lot of the other girls auditions several times,

0:43:29.360 --> 0:43:31.480
<v Speaker 4>but not me. But yeah, I mean it's sort of

0:43:31.640 --> 0:43:33.440
<v Speaker 4>you've got to put together a bunch of stuff about,

0:43:33.760 --> 0:43:37.319
<v Speaker 4>you know, like the yeah, the Dad's and not an

0:43:37.440 --> 0:43:40.560
<v Speaker 4>acting challenge and a new sewing thing and you know,

0:43:40.600 --> 0:43:43.080
<v Speaker 4>all sorts of different things, and so putting all that

0:43:43.200 --> 0:43:46.440
<v Speaker 4>together was I feel like kind of a little taste

0:43:46.480 --> 0:43:48.440
<v Speaker 4>of what was to come. In a way, really, I

0:43:48.680 --> 0:43:52.560
<v Speaker 4>feel like every every drag queen sort of like thinks

0:43:52.680 --> 0:43:54.719
<v Speaker 4>or imagines what it might be like to one day

0:43:54.719 --> 0:43:56.879
<v Speaker 4>be on drag Race. And so it wasn't like I

0:43:56.920 --> 0:43:59.719
<v Speaker 4>was like doing drag to being on drag Race, but

0:43:59.760 --> 0:44:00.920
<v Speaker 4>it was a sort of in the back of my

0:44:00.960 --> 0:44:02.879
<v Speaker 4>mind as a sort of thing of like maybe one

0:44:02.920 --> 0:44:05.200
<v Speaker 4>day this would be possible, and then here we are.

0:44:05.560 --> 0:44:08.319
<v Speaker 2>And then did you have like a favorite queen from

0:44:08.320 --> 0:44:11.120
<v Speaker 2>around the world? I mean, at certain times, maybe because

0:44:11.120 --> 0:44:12.799
<v Speaker 2>I was drinking red wine while I was watching it,

0:44:12.840 --> 0:44:15.239
<v Speaker 2>maybe I'm off the mark, but you kind of gave

0:44:15.280 --> 0:44:17.440
<v Speaker 2>me some changel of vibes at some point. So I

0:44:17.520 --> 0:44:20.480
<v Speaker 2>just was curious about which means had influence to you.

0:44:20.920 --> 0:44:25.680
<v Speaker 4>I think my top two Drag Race queens ever in

0:44:25.719 --> 0:44:30.040
<v Speaker 4>the world would be Alaska and Aquaria, who are quite different.

0:44:30.239 --> 0:44:33.360
<v Speaker 4>But I feel like I think if I would like

0:44:33.400 --> 0:44:34.960
<v Speaker 4>to be like the love child of those two, I

0:44:34.960 --> 0:44:37.520
<v Speaker 4>would to be able to do both of those things.

0:44:38.040 --> 0:44:40.200
<v Speaker 2>The conversation I was seeing in some of the forums

0:44:40.280 --> 0:44:43.080
<v Speaker 2>yesterday was that we have a lot of younger queens

0:44:43.120 --> 0:44:46.359
<v Speaker 2>in season three and less older queens. Do you think

0:44:46.360 --> 0:44:48.759
<v Speaker 2>that that's being done on purpose? I mean, what's your

0:44:48.800 --> 0:44:51.200
<v Speaker 2>thoughts on older queens versus younger queens.

0:44:51.320 --> 0:44:55.120
<v Speaker 4>I have a feeling that it was relatively intentional because

0:44:55.160 --> 0:44:58.200
<v Speaker 4>I think the last couple of seasons.

0:44:57.880 --> 0:45:01.400
<v Speaker 2>The older queens created a lot of drama to deal with.

0:45:02.160 --> 0:45:05.239
<v Speaker 4>Well, no, that is kind of true, actually, isn't it.

0:45:06.000 --> 0:45:09.160
<v Speaker 4>But I think it kind of has skewed older in

0:45:09.200 --> 0:45:11.640
<v Speaker 4>the past, and so I think this sort of I

0:45:11.680 --> 0:45:14.560
<v Speaker 4>feel like this season was supposed to be fairly different

0:45:14.560 --> 0:45:17.640
<v Speaker 4>in terms of, you know, diversity, in terms of age,

0:45:17.640 --> 0:45:20.360
<v Speaker 4>in terms of drag style. All of those were intentional

0:45:20.400 --> 0:45:24.480
<v Speaker 4>choices to I guess, you know, show that down to

0:45:24.560 --> 0:45:27.640
<v Speaker 4>drag is not just you know, the Spanky Jackson's and

0:45:27.840 --> 0:45:29.040
<v Speaker 4>Mini Coopers of the world.

0:45:29.440 --> 0:45:31.440
<v Speaker 2>What was the most surprising thing? So you get onto

0:45:31.520 --> 0:45:33.880
<v Speaker 2>Rupol's drag race and it's all very new, it's all

0:45:34.000 --> 0:45:37.400
<v Speaker 2>very loud. But what for you was the most surprising

0:45:37.400 --> 0:45:38.880
<v Speaker 2>thing about realizing this dream.

0:45:39.120 --> 0:45:43.239
<v Speaker 4>It's really cold. It's really cold in there. They keep

0:45:43.239 --> 0:45:47.480
<v Speaker 4>the main stage like freezing, and so I don't know

0:45:47.480 --> 0:45:50.080
<v Speaker 4>how those like body girls do it every time, and

0:45:50.120 --> 0:45:52.000
<v Speaker 4>they they walk out onto the runway wearing like a

0:45:52.080 --> 0:45:55.000
<v Speaker 4>bra and a anty. I'm like, I would freeze to death.

0:45:57.320 --> 0:45:58.759
<v Speaker 3>Race. Nicholson was just telling me.

0:45:58.760 --> 0:46:01.000
<v Speaker 2>It was like people would be surprised at how cold

0:46:01.000 --> 0:46:04.400
<v Speaker 2>it is in there and how loud RuPaul plays the music.

0:46:04.440 --> 0:46:05.880
<v Speaker 3>He was like, it's like club level.

0:46:06.400 --> 0:46:09.840
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, oh my god, it was. I was shocked. I

0:46:09.960 --> 0:46:15.720
<v Speaker 4>completely lot about that. It was so loud. Yeah, jumped,

0:46:16.760 --> 0:46:17.800
<v Speaker 4>yeah crazy.

0:46:18.000 --> 0:46:19.920
<v Speaker 2>Did you work out if there's a Queen Bee status

0:46:19.960 --> 0:46:22.160
<v Speaker 2>at this point? I always love asking right across all

0:46:22.200 --> 0:46:25.200
<v Speaker 2>reality shows, like is there a person who's going to

0:46:25.280 --> 0:46:27.920
<v Speaker 2>take charge of this series? Like, maybe not win, but

0:46:28.040 --> 0:46:29.799
<v Speaker 2>you know, get that Queen Bee status going on?

0:46:29.960 --> 0:46:34.760
<v Speaker 4>I think and I say this because I know her personally,

0:46:34.800 --> 0:46:37.520
<v Speaker 4>not because of anything that she's done on the show

0:46:37.600 --> 0:46:42.040
<v Speaker 4>so far. But I think Holly has such an air

0:46:42.160 --> 0:46:46.279
<v Speaker 4>of confidence about that people I think often interpret is

0:46:46.320 --> 0:46:49.279
<v Speaker 4>quite hostile, even though it's not necessarily that hostile, but

0:46:49.320 --> 0:46:51.839
<v Speaker 4>I do think people interpret it as such. I think

0:46:51.920 --> 0:46:54.120
<v Speaker 4>she sort of has that aura about her.

0:46:54.280 --> 0:46:56.640
<v Speaker 2>Okay, I'll look out for that one. I'm excited about that.

0:46:56.960 --> 0:46:59.200
<v Speaker 2>Would you have done anything differently at this point? Now

0:46:59.200 --> 0:47:01.719
<v Speaker 2>that you're looking bad and it's you know, this was

0:47:01.760 --> 0:47:03.279
<v Speaker 2>all sort of films a little while ago and it's

0:47:03.320 --> 0:47:05.359
<v Speaker 2>now on television, you've had some time to think about it.

0:47:05.520 --> 0:47:08.040
<v Speaker 2>Would you or have you thought about anything that you

0:47:08.040 --> 0:47:08.960
<v Speaker 2>would have done differently.

0:47:09.360 --> 0:47:13.080
<v Speaker 4>I would have put a different zipper in my entrance dress,

0:47:13.320 --> 0:47:17.080
<v Speaker 4>I would have I think I would have walked in

0:47:17.120 --> 0:47:19.960
<v Speaker 4>with a bit of an air of confidence that I

0:47:20.000 --> 0:47:22.200
<v Speaker 4>don't think I had this time around. I say this

0:47:22.239 --> 0:47:24.560
<v Speaker 4>time around. It makes it sound like I'm angling for

0:47:24.600 --> 0:47:27.359
<v Speaker 4>All Stars already, doesn't it?

0:47:26.480 --> 0:47:30.280
<v Speaker 2>And you should like I think you should. All Stars

0:47:30.360 --> 0:47:32.800
<v Speaker 2>is definitely. I mean, I like Chandelo and I referenced

0:47:32.800 --> 0:47:34.680
<v Speaker 2>you as Changelo, and I'm pretty sure that she's been

0:47:34.719 --> 0:47:37.320
<v Speaker 2>on the show three times now, so maybe we will

0:47:37.360 --> 0:47:39.720
<v Speaker 2>see am will come back for our first All Stars

0:47:39.719 --> 0:47:40.280
<v Speaker 2>in Australia.

0:47:40.320 --> 0:47:43.399
<v Speaker 4>Anything is possible, But yeah, I think being a bit

0:47:43.400 --> 0:47:46.680
<v Speaker 4>more confident is something that would have done me quite

0:47:46.760 --> 0:47:49.000
<v Speaker 4>a while. So if there is the next time, you

0:47:49.040 --> 0:47:51.239
<v Speaker 4>can be sure that I'll be walking there with all

0:47:51.280 --> 0:47:52.480
<v Speaker 4>the confidence in the world.

0:47:52.719 --> 0:47:54.719
<v Speaker 2>Now that you've done the show as well, do you

0:47:55.120 --> 0:47:57.680
<v Speaker 2>have an idea of what you'd like to see RuPaul do? Like,

0:47:57.760 --> 0:47:59.880
<v Speaker 2>is there anything that they could do with this franchise,

0:48:00.080 --> 0:48:02.719
<v Speaker 2>any different ways to up the ante, Like it's one

0:48:02.719 --> 0:48:05.160
<v Speaker 2>thing to watch it on TV, but another to actually

0:48:05.400 --> 0:48:07.799
<v Speaker 2>take on the challenge. I'm sure you'd be the right

0:48:07.800 --> 0:48:09.200
<v Speaker 2>person to ask that question too.

0:48:09.600 --> 0:48:12.480
<v Speaker 4>I mean, this is obviously I'm a little bit biased,

0:48:12.480 --> 0:48:14.600
<v Speaker 4>but I think I would love to see more seasons

0:48:14.600 --> 0:48:18.600
<v Speaker 4>when no one gets eliminated, because I just love seeing

0:48:18.600 --> 0:48:20.920
<v Speaker 4>that everyone has to offer and being in the workroom

0:48:20.960 --> 0:48:24.960
<v Speaker 4>and looking around there's so much that we won't get

0:48:24.960 --> 0:48:27.560
<v Speaker 4>to see that it's just so good and so much talent.

0:48:27.840 --> 0:48:31.600
<v Speaker 4>Sometimes I know that things can feel a little bit contrived,

0:48:32.160 --> 0:48:34.719
<v Speaker 4>and I think it's probably a good thing to let

0:48:34.760 --> 0:48:37.920
<v Speaker 4>things play out naturally, which might happen the season.

0:48:37.920 --> 0:48:40.360
<v Speaker 2>I guess we'll see a little bit cryptic, but also

0:48:40.440 --> 0:48:42.000
<v Speaker 2>a bit of a tease to what's to come.

0:48:42.800 --> 0:48:44.040
<v Speaker 3>Who do you think is going to win now?

0:48:44.080 --> 0:48:46.040
<v Speaker 2>Not what you know now, because you probably know a

0:48:46.080 --> 0:48:48.400
<v Speaker 2>little bit more, but when you walked out of the competition,

0:48:48.760 --> 0:48:51.520
<v Speaker 2>who did you think is going to take this out?

0:48:51.680 --> 0:48:56.800
<v Speaker 4>Really? Yeah, well million percent. As soon as Holly won

0:48:56.840 --> 0:48:59.040
<v Speaker 4>that first episode, I was like, it's.

0:48:58.920 --> 0:49:01.080
<v Speaker 2>Hurt okay you on that one. We'll go with the

0:49:01.120 --> 0:49:03.440
<v Speaker 2>betting Ons on this. And then my last question is

0:49:03.480 --> 0:49:05.759
<v Speaker 2>something to ask everyone who joins the podcast. What is

0:49:05.760 --> 0:49:09.440
<v Speaker 2>something from behind the scenes, something that we did not

0:49:09.520 --> 0:49:11.360
<v Speaker 2>see that we won't see kind of like a behind

0:49:11.360 --> 0:49:13.720
<v Speaker 2>the scenes secret or kind of like a funny anecdote

0:49:13.760 --> 0:49:15.839
<v Speaker 2>or something that happened to you whilst you were in

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<v Speaker 2>the RuPauls drag race machine.

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<v Speaker 4>I think the most absurd and comical thing that happened

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<v Speaker 4>is definitely for filming her meat the Queen's video. I

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<v Speaker 4>have never seen anyone so funny in my life. She

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<v Speaker 4>was sitting there and she was you know, they asked

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<v Speaker 4>for a questions. She was like, I'm doing my makeup

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<v Speaker 4>and I'm getting fucked. They can't do the make up

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<v Speaker 4>because I'm getting fucked too, And the producers were like,

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<v Speaker 4>what like getting fucked in? She was like, yeah, fuck's

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<v Speaker 4>like drunk, and everyone was like, she is so funny.

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<v Speaker 4>She is one of the funniest people that they've ever seen.

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<v Speaker 4>So yeah, you'll get to see more of that, which

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<v Speaker 4>I've said.

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<v Speaker 2>About, some more filthy language, some more drinking, and some

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<v Speaker 2>more hilarity.

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<v Speaker 3>I can't wait. And well, thank you so much for.

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<v Speaker 2>Chatting with me this morning. I think you did a

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<v Speaker 2>fant plastic job on the first episode. You should be

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<v Speaker 2>very proud.

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<v Speaker 4>Thank you very much. I appreciate it.