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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Outspoken Plus. It's your extra dose

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Speaker 1: of the hottest influencer and pop culture news. I'm Kate

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Speaker 1: Torbert and coming up on today's show, Indy Clinton sparks

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Speaker 1: debate about the toothberry, Laura Byrn and Maddie Jay, Welcome

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Speaker 1: Baby number three, and the controversial AI photos.

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Speaker 2: Of Liam Payne and Kate Cassidy. Her first Sarah's Day.

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Speaker 1: Has unveiled the fancy drinks her and her husband Kurt

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Speaker 1: liked to drink at nighttime.

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Speaker 2: And I was pretty interested to see because she and Kurt.

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Speaker 1: Don't drink alcohol, and I'm all for having like a

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Speaker 1: nice pick me up drink after I've put my son

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Speaker 1: to bed to go with my meals. I was like, Oh,

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Speaker 1: this is going to be cool, Like I'm guessing it

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Speaker 1: will be a fancy mocktail with maybe some fruit in it,

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Speaker 1: some pomegranite. However, I was really disappointed she got wine

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Speaker 1: glasses out, put ice cubes in, and then mixed up

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Speaker 1: some of her electrolytes that she's spooking, and I was like,

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Speaker 1: is that it? I think she realized how boring it was.

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Speaker 1: And then she got some sort of like collagen syrup

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Speaker 1: out of the fridge and porter on top. I don't

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Speaker 1: know if that makes more interesting. That sounds like something

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Speaker 1: you drink in the morning before you do a workout,

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Speaker 1: and not something that you unwine.

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Speaker 2: Too at nighttime.

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Speaker 1: I was like, God, is this how dire the hiro

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Speaker 1: situation has gotten. Off the back of that, I'm guessing

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Speaker 1: failed campaign because it seems to be a lot of

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Speaker 1: it's still available and they're now having to spook at

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Speaker 1: us our nighttime drink. Maybe they're like, God, I've got

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Speaker 1: so many of these saschets left.

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Speaker 2: We're going to get rid of them.

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Speaker 1: One thing I did relate to that Sarah said, though,

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Speaker 1: is the fact that Pheel's fancy to drink any drink

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Speaker 1: from a wine glass, even if it's not wine.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I got a flashback on snapchat and it was like

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Speaker 1: two years ago, and I used to drink my kombucher

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Speaker 1: out of one of those Target Coop glasses at nighttime.

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Speaker 1: And I'm like, I have to bring that back because

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Speaker 1: I think, especially having a young child, your nighttimes are

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Speaker 1: so exciting now, like once they're in bed, you're like, fuck, yes,

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Speaker 1: this is me time. You need to romanticize those times. Well,

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Speaker 1: I've been drinking sodally. I'm trying to get off coke

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Speaker 1: zer or. I spoke about it on another episode, but

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Speaker 1: they're that good and I always have to make sure

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Speaker 1: I have ice in my drink though I feel like

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Speaker 1: it just doesn't seem like a treat if it doesn't

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Speaker 1: have ice. I am deep in my Coke zero era.

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Speaker 1: I hate saying the word era. I feel like an

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Speaker 1: annoying gens at it. But we have been buying the

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Speaker 1: slabs of coke no sugar in a can, and I

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Speaker 1: feel like that is a game changer. I can't have

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Speaker 1: it out of the bottle now. I saw a guy

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Speaker 1: on TikTok rating the Coke zero experience.

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Speaker 2: He rated the two later bottles as the worst. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and it's true.

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Speaker 1: They do not taste as good as the one point

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Speaker 1: two five or obviously the cans or the smaller bottles.

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Speaker 2: They really don't.

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Speaker 1: But you were asking before about drink of choice, and

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Speaker 1: I have to put it out there. Amy has got

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Speaker 1: me into the celsiest energy drinks.

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Speaker 2: Where do you get these from? I don't even know

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Speaker 2: the brand.

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Speaker 1: I have no idea where she got it from, but

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Speaker 1: I've heard about it because Saffron Barker is a big

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Speaker 1: fan of them. She's always breaking them, and usually you

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Speaker 1: can only get them in America, but I think Amy's

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Speaker 1: found somewhere that sells them.

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Speaker 2: She brought one over for me.

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Speaker 1: It was a watermelon flavored one, and obviously, having a

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Speaker 1: young baby, there's a lot of early mornings and I

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Speaker 1: had one of these and oh my god.

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Speaker 2: It put a pep in my step.

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Speaker 1: I think it's important to point out that we don't drink,

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Speaker 1: so that's why you're looking for something that's going to pepuli.

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Speaker 1: It's not coffee because we get headaches if we have it. Well,

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Speaker 1: that's not why I don't have mine, just don't like

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Speaker 1: the taste. I was talking a mile a fucking minute

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Speaker 1: top of the world, but I don't want to become

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Speaker 1: reliant on it. I've only had one so far. Amy

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Speaker 1: must be deep in like beverage TikTok if that's even

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Speaker 1: a thing. Because she was telling me about this amazing

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Speaker 1: energy drink that's like a Macha one from Stephen Bartlett's brand. Well,

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Speaker 1: no sugar, so it's supposed to be healthier than I

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Speaker 1: suppose a monster, but it's still not great for you.

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Speaker 2: It's still an energy drink. Yeah, I was going to say,

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Speaker 2: I don't know if any energy drinks are healthy.

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Speaker 1: Well. When I worked in breakfast radio, I was one

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Speaker 1: of the few people who didn't drink coffee.

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Speaker 2: My little treat would be at.

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Speaker 1: The end of a shift, so I would start at

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Speaker 1: I'd have to be in there at four am, and

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Speaker 1: at nine and I'd be driving home when everyone else

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Speaker 1: little bakery at Brighton and get myself a Lentil pie,

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Speaker 1: and that my treat. If we're gonna say coke zero

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Speaker 1: frozen cochd nah, I can't drink coke zero in the morning.

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Speaker 2: It just seems wrong. Just a warning.

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Speaker 1: If you are listening to this podcast out loud with

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Speaker 1: little ears, I think you should pop some headphones in

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Speaker 1: because we will be discussing the magical world of the

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Speaker 1: tooth Fairy. Indy Clinton has sparked debate about how much

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Speaker 1: money kids should receive from the tooth Fairy. The TikToker

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Speaker 1: rage baited her audience by pretending to give her son

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Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty dollars for his first tooth. So,

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Speaker 1: if it was clear from the get go, Indy was

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Speaker 1: taking the role of the tooth fairy very seriously. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I really like this As a new parent, this is

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Speaker 1: something that I can't wait to do create those magic moments.

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Speaker 1: And Indy said that while she has been Father Christmas

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Speaker 1: and also the Easter Bunny, she's ready for this new role.

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Speaker 1: And she definitely did put a lot of effort into it.

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Speaker 1: So she created a whimsical fairy character called Opal, and

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Speaker 1: with blue glitter for the note and money to go in.

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Speaker 2: It was all very.

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Speaker 1: Wholesome, but her biggest concern was what she was going

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Speaker 1: to do with the tooth afterwards. So her fairy character

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Speaker 1: Opal was going to use it as a wheelbarrow for

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Speaker 1: her fairy house. But as for Indy, she had no

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Speaker 1: idea what to actually do with it, and Big Ed

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Speaker 1: had a suggestion of his own. He said, just throw

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Speaker 1: it in the bin. Now that I have a baby,

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Speaker 1: I'm like, I could never throw any of his teeth

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Speaker 1: bad for calling our mom out because on the podcast

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Speaker 1: before we've spoken about the fact that she was a

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Speaker 1: dental therapist for forty years and she was very strict

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Speaker 1: on the weekend, which now say things like we're rebelling

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Speaker 1: and having it every day. Anyway, when it came to

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Speaker 1: we want to keep our teeth. So the tooth fairy

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Speaker 1: We had this book growing up about how the tooth

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Speaker 1: fairy would take the teeth and build a castle out

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Speaker 1: of them, so I think Amy wanted to help the

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Speaker 1: tooth fairy with her castle. However, when we were old,

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Speaker 1: we discovered that Mum had kept all of our teeth,

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Speaker 1: including Amy's, in these like girkin jars in the back

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Speaker 1: in nice little boxes, whereas because she had to hide

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Speaker 1: Amy's teeth, hers were the ones in a girkin jar

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Speaker 2: But couldn't she have just hid Amy's in a box

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Speaker 1: I think she was afraid that she would find them.

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Speaker 1: Imagine searching in the pantry looking for girkins of being like, ah, well,

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Speaker 1: kin's teeth is so little as well. I mean, Indy

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Speaker 2: Things. I suppose you don't want to be burying them

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Speaker 1: So I'm so confused why would you bury them on?

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Speaker 1: Trying to work out what you do with them? I'm thinking,

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Speaker 1: like when your pet passes away, you bury them, and.

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Speaker 2: Like teeth kind of fucking odd.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, just throw on the bin. If you're going

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Speaker 1: to get rid of them like that, you bury them.

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Speaker 1: They probably think there's a murder that's gone on.

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Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: I'm just trying to work out, like what would you

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Speaker 1: actually do, Like what are you supposed to do with them?

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Speaker 1: Can parents send in and say what they've done with

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Speaker 1: their child's teeth? Because I'm very intrigued getting back to

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Speaker 1: this story. Though Indy really does have ticked down to

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Speaker 1: a fine art. She is fantastic at drawing an audience

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Speaker 1: in so she started the video by shocking her followers

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Speaker 1: with just how much Navy would apparently be receiving for

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Speaker 1: his first tooth. Let's have a listen to what she said.

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Speaker 2: One hundred and fifty dollars was a good amount, but

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Speaker 1: At all in a moment. Oh so this was at

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Speaker 1: their mind. So one follower said how much is the

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Speaker 1: tooth fairy giving in capitals, which received over eight hundred likes.

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Speaker 1: Another said, I'll whip my teeth out and you can

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Speaker 1: be my tooth fairy for one hundred and fifty dollars.

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Speaker 1: What do you think the going rate for a child's

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Speaker 1: tooth should be? Well, not one hundred and fifty dollars.

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Speaker 1: Like growing up, we used to get one dollar for

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Speaker 1: a ten and I was like, what the hell I mean?

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Speaker 1: I suppose thirty years on with inflation, maybe it should

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Speaker 2: I've got no idea really.

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Speaker 1: I saw in the comment section there was a teacher

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Speaker 1: who was suggesting that parents should make.

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Speaker 2: Sure that they tell their child that each child has.

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Speaker 1: An individual tooth fairy, so that's why they are differing

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Speaker 1: amounts of teeth. I mean, you'd probably be like, why

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Speaker 1: have they got this cheap ass tooth fairy that's given me?

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Speaker 2: Fuck all?

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Speaker 1: Yah. School makes it so difficult. And social media, I

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Speaker 1: mean it's the same at Christmas time and also Easter,

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Speaker 1: how people just go so over the top. At least

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Speaker 1: with Christmas there is the buffer of the six week

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Speaker 1: holiday break where kids have probably forgotten what they got.

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Speaker 2: For Christmas by then.

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Speaker 1: Now, I do want to point out that Indie hasn't

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Speaker 1: totally lost her mind. She was, in fact rage baiting

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Speaker 1: her followers because in the video she pointed out that

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Speaker 1: she was just joking and added a five dollar note

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Speaker 1: fifty dollars and decided to spend it on getting her

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Speaker 1: nails fixed instead. She did almost get sprung in the

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Speaker 1: act though, when she was performing her role of the

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Speaker 1: tooth fairy because because when she was creeping into Navy's

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Speaker 3: I've said it once before, and I'm going to say

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Speaker 1: in the most shocking and public circumstances. I just think

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Speaker 1: if this AI image brings her some comfort and peace, then.

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Speaker 2: That's all that matters. Who are we to judge how.

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Speaker 1: She's dealing with this, And she's not the only person

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Speaker 1: who's lost a partner that shares this type of content,

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Speaker 1: Like there is a niche for widows and people who

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Speaker 1: have lost partners to share how they're grieving and going

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Speaker 1: through the process, and then it creates this community where

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Speaker 1: they can connect with other people who have gone through

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Speaker 1: the same thing. I think my only worry about these

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Speaker 1: images is that perhaps they could be causing her more

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Speaker 1: pain because it is showing how her life could have

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Speaker 1: been because these are photos of her at recent events,

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Speaker 1: and she's probably thinking, Oh God, I just wish Lianne

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Speaker 1: was at this event with me. Yeah. There's been a

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Speaker 1: lot of discussions about how AI is being used and

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Speaker 1: can potentially be used in the future to keep people's

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Speaker 1: memories alive. I find it all a little bit creepy

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Speaker 1: to be honest, Like, I still remember on Neighbors when

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Speaker 1: Margot Robbie was playing Donna and she was married to Ringo.

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Speaker 1: Remember that, Oh yeah, and he died in a car

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Speaker 1: accident and she kept playing his voicemail back over and

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Speaker 1: over again and listening to it.

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Speaker 2: I still feel sad thinking about that.

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Speaker 1: And it's just really or unsettling to think about how

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Speaker 1: far AI technology can go to keep people's memories. Well,

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Speaker 1: it would already be so tough for Kate Cassidy because

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Speaker 1: her boyfriend was in one of the most famous boy bands.

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Speaker 1: Her algorithm would be on TikTok, would be full of

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Speaker 1: content of him. There's in so muge of him. There's

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Speaker 1: so much vision of him around.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Well, I think that is all we have time for today.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for joining us for this episode

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Speaker 1: This podcast was recorded on the traditional land of the

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