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Speaker 2: Along the gone. Finally making welcome back to the Rise

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Speaker 3: Yes, I love that.

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Speaker 2: And often something I say on this podcast is I

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Speaker 2: and so I guess, backtracking a little bit, and I

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Speaker 2: guess the reason why you are so passionate about this subject.

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Speaker 2: And I know in an article you wrote and you

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Speaker 2: said that, you know, you worked really hard to break

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Speaker 2: out of that nine to five office life and started

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Speaker 2: working as a freelance writer and with that expected a life.

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Speaker 3: Of freedom and you know, waking up later and not

448
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Speaker 3: being chained to your desk.

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Speaker 2: But in reality, the boundary between life and work had

450
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Speaker 2: vanished completely, and you worked harder than ever. And I

451
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Speaker 2: resonate with this so much because I was the exact

452
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Speaker 2: same when I left my corporate law job. And then

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Speaker 2: you kind of explained that you experienced burnout. Can you

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Speaker 2: explain to us, you know, what that experience was like,

455
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Speaker 2: what burnout was like, and how you came back from that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so funny. I heard a quote the other day

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Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, we spop thirty out, working thirty hours

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Speaker 1: a week for someone else to work in sixty hours

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Speaker 1: a week for ourselves, and it's so true. Like I

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Speaker 1: think that I, because I guess, had all this time

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Speaker 1: to myself, I got really excited about the amount of

462
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Speaker 1: work that I could take on and maybe at the time.

463
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Speaker 1: You know, I didn't have my scheduling down paths, so

464
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Speaker 1: I kind of overestimated how much I could actually get done.

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Speaker 1: And I always get everything done, but like it was

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Speaker 1: one hundred percent at the expense of my mental and

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Speaker 1: also kind of my physical health. Like I just found

468
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Speaker 1: them because I could work all the time. Like I

469
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Speaker 1: did work all the time. I would get up at

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Speaker 1: like five am and do like so a lot of

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Speaker 1: what I was doing is like you know, contract work,

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Speaker 1: So I'm like, Okay, I've got like a day rate

473
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Speaker 1: client this day, and then that means I can get

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Speaker 1: up at five am and like smash up two articles

475
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Speaker 1: before I start doing that. Like it was just it

476
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Speaker 1: was crazy, and I was you know, I was not

477
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Speaker 1: only struggling to get it all done, and you know what,

478
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Speaker 1: the quality of my work probably wasn't as good as

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Speaker 1: as I would like it to be because I was

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Speaker 1: just stretching myself you've in But it was also just

481
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Speaker 1: you know, really cranky, resentful, like of this thing that

482
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Speaker 1: I'd worked so hard to create for myself. It was

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Speaker 1: like it was honestly like I created this like jail

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Speaker 1: for myself where you know, I couldn't I couldn't see

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Speaker 1: a way out, Like it felt like there was no

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Speaker 1: end to the amount of work that I had lined up.

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Speaker 1: And I was having crying breakdowns, which is not that

488
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Speaker 1: unusual for me, but like it was becoming more frequent.

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Speaker 1: I just a crier, but it was like frustrated cry.

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Speaker 1: It was like you know, a cry where you just

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Speaker 1: feel yeah. Trap. So that to me was a big

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Speaker 1: wake up call, and I think it was. But it

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Speaker 1: did take my Auntie sort of saying in Paris, like what,

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Speaker 1: like what are you? What are you doing? What's the

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Speaker 1: point of all this? Yeah? So I think that was

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Speaker 1: how my how burnout sort of manifested.

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Speaker 2: For me hundred percent. And yeah, like I said, I

498
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Speaker 2: can really resonate with you on that. And it's interesting

499
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Speaker 2: what you said about the holiday because I had that

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Speaker 2: thought the other day what I was just telling you about,

501
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Speaker 2: like with the retreat. So this retreat I went on,

502
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Speaker 2: there was like no reception and it was only two nights,

503
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Speaker 2: but I had no reception and so I didn't.

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Speaker 3: Touch or look at my phone or laptop.

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Speaker 2: And I honestly couldn't tell you, you know, a time

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Speaker 2: before then, in you know, in regards to having my

507
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Speaker 2: side business and then starting my own business.

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Speaker 3: I couldn't tell you the last time that happened.

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Speaker 2: I don't remember having you know, forty dollars hours.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a holiday when you work for yourself. And

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Speaker 1: that sounds like absolutely absolute bliss, like not having the wife.

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Speaker 1: I think I would find that like a lot of

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Speaker 1: first I'd be like, oh god, what do I have?

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Speaker 1: What do I even do? I have to relax now,

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Speaker 1: But I think so long as you need that force break,

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Speaker 1: and that's sounds so blissful. I'm very glad you did

517
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Speaker 1: that for yourself. I need to do that. Maybe I'll

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Speaker 1: look into it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I'll have to tell you the retreat name after,

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Speaker 2: because it was amazing.

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Speaker 3: And then, like even me and my husband were.

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Speaker 2: Saying, it also felt like the time went so much

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Speaker 2: longer because we were so present, you know, we weren't

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Speaker 2: kind of lost in this internet or looking at other

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Speaker 2: people's lives, and we were so present in our days

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Speaker 2: and our time together. Like you know how sometimes you have,

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Speaker 2: like you know, a two night stay and it doesn't

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Speaker 2: feel like any time at all, like it goes so quickly.

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Speaker 3: It didn't feel like that.

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Speaker 2: It felt so intentional and so nice so it was

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Speaker 2: such a good refreshing sort of thing. And I even

532
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Speaker 2: said to Tim, you know, like, the next time we

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Speaker 2: go away, I'm actually not going to work because We've

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Speaker 2: been on many holidays and I have always brought my

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Speaker 2: laptop and always you know, worked for a couple of

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Speaker 2: hours per day.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, same. I don't think I've had a time

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Speaker 1: in the last you know, since I started working for

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Speaker 1: myself that I've actually had a holiday. And to me, like,

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Speaker 1: you know, it doesn't actually bother me that much. I

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Speaker 1: guess I'm just used to it. But it's kind of

542
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Speaker 1: like the people that you're with it like, oh, you're

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Speaker 1: just going to like work the whole time, and it

544
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Speaker 1: does have an impact on your experience as well, and

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Speaker 1: you know, you're not being as present as you could be,

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Speaker 1: Like you said, so, I think it's definitely important to try, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: have that boundary between work time and holiday rest time.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, one hundred percent. I love that.

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Speaker 2: And so going back to your book, one of my

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Speaker 2: favorite chapters was your chapter Embracing the Chaos.

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Speaker 3: Can you tell us a little bit more about this concept.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it kind of leads back to what

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Speaker 1: we were talking about before, how life just isn't perfect,

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Speaker 1: Like it isn't what it looks like on Instagram. But

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Speaker 1: it isn't one straight line. It's up and down and

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Speaker 1: there's a I can't remember if it's if it's a

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Speaker 1: section in that chapter or a chapter in itself, but

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Speaker 1: it's about like the embracing the whack a mole of life,

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Speaker 1: you know the game there. Yeah, so you you hit one,

560
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Speaker 1: you get one to go back in, and then another

561
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Speaker 1: one just pops out out of nowhere. And that's what

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Speaker 1: I think life is like. You get one aspect of

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Speaker 1: your life under control and then another one, you know,

564
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Speaker 1: another little problem pops up. And I think it's just

565
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Speaker 1: being okay with that and being okay with the fact

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Speaker 1: that not every aspect of your life is going to

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Speaker 1: look exactly like you want it to, you know, at

568
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Speaker 1: any given time, and that's okay. And like what even

569
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Speaker 1: is you know, what even is normal? Or what is

570
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Speaker 1: what even is perfection? Like it doesn't exist. We've got

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Speaker 1: this idea of what you know, our lives and mentally

572
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Speaker 1: look like from Instagram. But yeah, it's just being okay

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Speaker 1: with with things being messy. Sometimes you can still find

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Speaker 1: joy in those moments, like not every aspect of your

575
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Speaker 1: life has to be perfect in order to experience joy,

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Speaker 1: because that just never happens, you.

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Speaker 3: Know, yes, and yeah, no.

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Speaker 2: I loved that chapter because something I often talk about

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Speaker 2: on here I is see.

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Speaker 1: And yes, that's what I was. I was thinking, I

581
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Speaker 1: couldn't plan the words.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, so a huge part of my life. And

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Speaker 2: I am very much a control freak. I love, you know,

584
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Speaker 2: everything to be in my control, and I love things

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Speaker 2: to be perfect.

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Speaker 3: I'm also a perfectionism so.

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Speaker 2: You know, reading your first chapter of Overcoming Perfectionism, I

588
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Speaker 2: think it was called para over Overcoming Perfectionism perillous is,

589
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Speaker 2: I was like, oh my god, she's speaking to myself

590
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Speaker 2: but yeah, my spirits, Yes exactly, and I really resonated

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Speaker 2: with it.

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Speaker 3: And that's exactly it with Seasons.

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Speaker 2: Something that I've i guess recently accepted which previously used

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Speaker 2: to completely put me out of whack is I would go,

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Speaker 2: you know, really hard in one aspect of my life

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Speaker 2: and then of course, you know, some of the aspects

597
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Speaker 2: the other aspects weren't balanced, and it then.

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Speaker 3: Would upset me.

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Speaker 2: But what I've come to realize is, you know, when

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Speaker 2: you do go really hard on one aspect of your life.

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Speaker 2: It's not always going to be balanced in the other

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Speaker 2: other aspects, and that is okay.

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Speaker 3: Whereas I think.

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Speaker 2: Previously I really held on this control that you know,

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Speaker 2: everything has to be perfect and I should be balanced

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Speaker 2: in all aspects, but also want to really, you know,

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Speaker 2: try hard at this.

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Speaker 3: Other thing and it just it doesn't work.

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Speaker 2: And when you kind of accept that, you go through

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Speaker 2: seasons and you have different priorities, like and you enjoy it,

611
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Speaker 2: like you said, it just takes this pressure off and

612
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Speaker 2: it can just feel so much better and you can

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Speaker 2: actually enjoy the journey.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I completely relate to that, like, yeah, I'm being

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Speaker 1: a perfectionist and a control for it myself. I definitely

616
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Speaker 1: struggle with it, like feeling like I have to have

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Speaker 1: the scales perfectly balanced, you know, at all times, but

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Speaker 1: it just it just doesn't happen like that, Like you're

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Speaker 1: going to be always focusing your attention into it more

620
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Speaker 1: into one thing, like the clock priorities for a reason,

621
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Speaker 1: because it's got to be you know, at some point,

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Speaker 1: something has to be more priority than others, like you know,

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Speaker 1: if you know, for moms, like obviously when you have

624
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Speaker 1: a child, like your child is going to be getting

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Speaker 1: the majority of your attention, your your fitness, and your

626
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Speaker 1: workmates might take a bit of a backseat, or you know,

627
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Speaker 1: when you're trying to get your business up and running,

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Speaker 1: you know you might for that season if you're going

629
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Speaker 1: all in on your business and not seeing your friends

630
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Speaker 1: as much. But that's okay, Like you know, it's not

631
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Speaker 1: going to be forever, and I think it's just like

632
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Speaker 1: remembered that things are temporary, and like you said, yeah,

633
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Speaker 1: seasons is just such a great way to look at it,

634
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Speaker 1: because the seasons don't last forever, and neither do the

635
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Speaker 1: seasons in your life.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, one hundred percent.

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Speaker 2: And another chapter that I really loved was You're learning

638
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Speaker 2: to rest not Quinn, Can you tell us more about

639
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Speaker 2: this concept?

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00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:54,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I'm just a huge believer in this

641
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:57,400
Speaker 1: because there's been so many times, you know, whether it's

642
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Speaker 1: with the blog, in business, even writing the book, where

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Speaker 1: I'm like where you just get to that point where

644
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Speaker 1: you're like I just can't, I just can't do it.

645
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Speaker 1: And then it's when I try and remind myself, it's like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: you can't do it right now, Like you've just got

647
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Speaker 1: to give yourself room to breathe with it and come

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00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:14,640
Speaker 1: back to it with fresh eyes. And I feel like

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Speaker 1: ninety nine point nine percent of the time, once you

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Speaker 1: actually give yourself a bit of space from something you do,

651
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Speaker 1: you feel much better about it. And I think that

652
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Speaker 1: you're always even if you're taking lots of pauses, you're

653
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:28,440
Speaker 1: still going to be moving in the right direction as

654
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:32,040
Speaker 1: to whether compared to if you just stop altogether. Then

655
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:34,240
Speaker 1: that's the sure fi way that you know what you're

656
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:36,800
Speaker 1: working on is never going to go anywhere. So, yeah,

657
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:41,200
Speaker 1: just learning to give yourself permission to just take breaks

658
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:45,280
Speaker 1: and not be going full speed at everything at all times.

659
00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:47,640
Speaker 1: And I like to say like it's a marathon, not

660
00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:50,280
Speaker 1: a sprint, even though I like to do productivity sprints

661
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:51,880
Speaker 1: in terms of my work, when it comes to my

662
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:54,840
Speaker 1: long term goals, Yeah, I try and remember that it's

663
00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:58,360
Speaker 1: all about being consistent over the long term then just

664
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Speaker 1: going full throttle at it, you know, twenty four to.

665
00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:05,920
Speaker 2: Seven, Yes, And I think like kind of what we're

666
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:09,960
Speaker 2: talking about before with burnout, that's when burnout.

667
00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:12,000
Speaker 3: Can really happen because you're just.

668
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 2: Going so full on all the time and then you know,

669
00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:21,279
Speaker 2: you get to this point where you throw your hands

670
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:23,000
Speaker 2: up and you're just like, I just can't do it.

671
00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:26,160
Speaker 2: And in that moment, it's about realizing that you don't

672
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:29,520
Speaker 2: have to get to that point and you can actually, yeah,

673
00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:33,200
Speaker 2: take rest and take a bit more responsibility for your

674
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:36,040
Speaker 2: you know, self care and realize that it's going to

675
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:37,520
Speaker 2: be there when you come back to it.

676
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:39,560
Speaker 3: So I love to let you touch on that.

677
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:42,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so much better to take little breast than

678
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:45,239
Speaker 1: to let yourself get to the point of burnout. And

679
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:47,040
Speaker 1: you know, it can kind of sneak up on you,

680
00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:49,960
Speaker 1: but you kind of know when you're you know, you're

681
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:52,960
Speaker 1: getting exhausted, you get you're on that track to burnout.

682
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:55,120
Speaker 1: It's so much better to take little breaks then to

683
00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:58,000
Speaker 1: have to to get completely burnt out. And you know,

684
00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:00,360
Speaker 1: you hear stories about people having to take week or

685
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:04,719
Speaker 1: months off because their drenals are just so you know done.

686
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:07,640
Speaker 1: So yeah, I think it's giving yourself a mission to

687
00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:09,600
Speaker 1: take those little breaks so you don't have to take

688
00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:12,600
Speaker 1: a big break, you know, when things get all too.

689
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:16,920
Speaker 2: Much exactly And what are your favorite kind of little

690
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:18,359
Speaker 2: break activities to do?

691
00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:21,920
Speaker 1: I love to go for a walk, like you those

692
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:24,120
Speaker 1: sounds so cliche, but we live near the beach, and

693
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:27,600
Speaker 1: there's actually just nothing like being near the ocean, and

694
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:30,120
Speaker 1: especially if I'm really bad, like I like to take

695
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:31,719
Speaker 1: my phone with me because I like to listen to

696
00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:34,359
Speaker 1: podcasts and music, but sometimes my partner will be like, no,

697
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:36,799
Speaker 1: we're going for a walk with no phones, and that's

698
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:39,200
Speaker 1: when I feel, like, you know, that really leaves me

699
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:42,799
Speaker 1: feeling refreshed, rejuvenated. I also think there's just something about

700
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:46,320
Speaker 1: the ocean that reminds you of like the enormity of life,

701
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:48,400
Speaker 1: and like the planet that we live on and how

702
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:51,840
Speaker 1: small the things that we're dealing with are, you know,

703
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:54,680
Speaker 1: in comparison to that, I think there's definitely a lot

704
00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:58,160
Speaker 1: of beauty and getting that perspective. So yeah, definitely like

705
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:02,000
Speaker 1: walks by the beach. I do try and do meditation

706
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:05,680
Speaker 1: and breathing exercises. I find actually some of those breeding

707
00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:09,640
Speaker 1: exercises can be even more effective than I guess just

708
00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:13,759
Speaker 1: doing a traditional meditation, because it actually it calms down

709
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:17,800
Speaker 1: your nervous system, I think more quickly than just meditation.

710
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:21,279
Speaker 1: So I just do really quick ones using the apupcalm,

711
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:23,839
Speaker 1: like they have all different sorts of exercises on there,

712
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:26,480
Speaker 1: and I find that makes a big difference in how

713
00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:28,680
Speaker 1: I feel like it not only calms me down, but

714
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:31,840
Speaker 1: I feel more like energized after I have that space

715
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:33,880
Speaker 1: in my mind to be like, Okay, I can continue

716
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:37,120
Speaker 1: on with what I was doing. And another thing that

717
00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:39,880
Speaker 1: I find that when you are you are getting really

718
00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:42,840
Speaker 1: burnt out, really sourced, you feel like you just can't do,

719
00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:46,400
Speaker 1: Like you've got deadlines that you have to meet, but

720
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:48,960
Speaker 1: you just don't have it in you. I am a

721
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:53,560
Speaker 1: fan of outsourcing when like, when you have the funds

722
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:55,560
Speaker 1: to do so, when it's an option for you, I

723
00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:58,759
Speaker 1: think it's really you know, there's no shame in outsourcing,

724
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:03,200
Speaker 1: whether it's like outsourcing some task to a VA to

725
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:06,160
Speaker 1: get a project finished, or if it's like getting someone

726
00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:08,320
Speaker 1: in to clean your apartment. I know it's a privilege,

727
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:11,319
Speaker 1: but if you can do that, like it's gonna even

728
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 1: that it's just going to take a load off your chess,

729
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:16,000
Speaker 1: Like just knowing, Okay, that's one lessing I have on

730
00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:18,600
Speaker 1: my plate, and I feel like that's really important for

731
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:21,680
Speaker 1: sort of stopping burnout before it gets, you know, it

732
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:22,400
Speaker 1: takes hold of you.

733
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Speaker 2: I love that you touched on that, and that's actually

734
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:32,520
Speaker 2: something that has been quite transformational for me because you know,

735
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:35,239
Speaker 2: I grew up in a family where my mom was

736
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:38,160
Speaker 2: a stay at home mom, so she did all the

737
00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:42,120
Speaker 2: cooking and cleaning and everything around the household. And then

738
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:45,840
Speaker 2: you know, I grew up and I.

739
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:46,080
Speaker 3: Was working full time.

740
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:50,320
Speaker 2: I was also studying full time and on my side housle.

741
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:51,560
Speaker 3: And I was trying to do everything.

742
00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:53,480
Speaker 2: And then I'd be like, oh my god, and now

743
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:56,520
Speaker 2: I have to clean the house and cooked dinner every night,

744
00:37:56,640 --> 00:38:01,080
Speaker 2: and it with the pressure of doing that and doing

745
00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:04,160
Speaker 2: it all with so much. And I think also sometimes

746
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:07,400
Speaker 2: or personally, I felt there was you know, such stigma

747
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:11,040
Speaker 2: around you know, getting your house cleaned or not doing

748
00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:14,480
Speaker 2: it all. And I one hundred percent am so happy

749
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:17,640
Speaker 2: to say I have a cleaner, I get hello fresh,

750
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:20,400
Speaker 2: like I have all the help. And also, you know,

751
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:24,640
Speaker 2: especially with outsourcing within my business too, like we have

752
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:26,680
Speaker 2: a team now and all that sort of thing, Like

753
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:31,000
Speaker 2: I am all about that because it is like when

754
00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:33,839
Speaker 2: you you can't do it all, and so it's so

755
00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:36,960
Speaker 2: we need to kind of really make sure we're saying

756
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:39,919
Speaker 2: it is so okay to get help. It is even

757
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:42,879
Speaker 2: more okay, like it's encouraged and you know, yeah, get

758
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:45,960
Speaker 2: a cleaner or get someone to help you, because in

759
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:48,840
Speaker 2: the long run, it's like, do you want to be

760
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:51,880
Speaker 2: that person who does it all but completely you know,

761
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:56,000
Speaker 2: burns out or like you said, slow and steady wins

762
00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:58,560
Speaker 2: the race and actually be present for it.

763
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:00,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think about this all the time, like

764
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:03,600
Speaker 1: how we weren't designed to do both roles. We weren't

765
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:07,279
Speaker 1: designed to both work and do everything around the house

766
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:09,560
Speaker 1: like back in the I guess traditional gender roles. I

767
00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:12,399
Speaker 1: guess it was that men you know, where to work,

768
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:15,040
Speaker 1: and women did the stay at home thing. And it's

769
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:18,120
Speaker 1: amazing that we now have the opportunity to work, but

770
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:20,640
Speaker 1: it's not realistic to think, you know, we'll be doing

771
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:22,759
Speaker 1: all the work like working full time, well, you know,

772
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:25,640
Speaker 1: working full time and studying full time and doing a

773
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:31,279
Speaker 1: side hustle and keeping everything going around the house. Like, no,

774
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:34,839
Speaker 1: we're only one person. And it's the same for men,

775
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:37,600
Speaker 1: like men are working and then you know they can't

776
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:40,640
Speaker 1: be expected to be doing everything around the house either.

777
00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:42,640
Speaker 1: So I think it does come to a point where

778
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:45,600
Speaker 1: you know, sometimes you do just have to ask for

779
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:47,560
Speaker 1: help if you can, and you know, when you do

780
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:50,040
Speaker 1: those things, it frees you up to do more of

781
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:52,799
Speaker 1: what you're good at and bring in more income, so

782
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:54,919
Speaker 1: you know it kind of works out.

783
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:59,080
Speaker 2: Yes, I love that so much, and I know a

784
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:02,799
Speaker 2: huge part all so of the book is you do

785
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:08,040
Speaker 2: talk about prioritizing, and I think it's super easy to

786
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:11,840
Speaker 2: kind of and even this myself, like I struggle a

787
00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:15,200
Speaker 2: little bit with prioritizing. Do you have any tips for

788
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:18,319
Speaker 2: us in regards to how this can kind of look

789
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:21,240
Speaker 2: and improve our day or life.

790
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:25,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I really like the Eisenhower matrix. I think

791
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:28,680
Speaker 1: I do. I do a millennial girls version of the

792
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:32,440
Speaker 1: traditional Eisenhower matrix in the book, and that's that like

793
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:35,160
Speaker 1: to figure out what your priority is is it's like

794
00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:39,040
Speaker 1: it's like a table that has like four squares in it.

795
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:40,879
Speaker 1: It's it's sort of hard to explain, but most people

796
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:43,160
Speaker 1: are probably seeing this at some point, and it's like

797
00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:46,719
Speaker 1: you have urgent and if something's urgent and important, then

798
00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:50,880
Speaker 1: that is your top priority. If it's urgent, sorry, if

799
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:54,640
Speaker 1: it's important but not urgent, then yeah, that's still high priority,

800
00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:56,279
Speaker 1: but it's you know, a little bit lower down on

801
00:40:56,320 --> 00:41:01,400
Speaker 1: the list. If it's if it's urgent but not important,

802
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:04,200
Speaker 1: then that's something you might want to delegate. And then

803
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:08,200
Speaker 1: if it's not important and not urgent, then it probably

804
00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:11,279
Speaker 1: doesn't really deserve a spot on your to do list.

805
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:13,840
Speaker 1: And I think that is such a simple but effective

806
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:17,280
Speaker 1: way to figure out what your priority is. And also

807
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:20,839
Speaker 1: I'm just very deadline driven, so it's actually sometimes quite

808
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:23,399
Speaker 1: easy for me to know what my priority is because

809
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:26,880
Speaker 1: it's the one with the closest deadline that is also important.

810
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:30,160
Speaker 1: So I'm a big fan of setting myself deadlines as well.

811
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:32,719
Speaker 1: I'm so used to the deadline thing from coming from

812
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:36,719
Speaker 1: a journalist the background, that I also take the deadlines

813
00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:39,000
Speaker 1: I set for myself seriously. So you know, say I'm

814
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:41,040
Speaker 1: launching a course. If I say I'm going to launch

815
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:43,839
Speaker 1: on this day, then you know, I kind of then

816
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:47,279
Speaker 1: work backwards and set myself mini deadlines leading up to that,

817
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:49,440
Speaker 1: and I try to stick to those as much as

818
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:51,440
Speaker 1: I can because I know it's, yeah, going to get

819
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:52,279
Speaker 1: me to where I want to be.

820
00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:56,120
Speaker 2: So true, I love that, And yeah, I'm much the

821
00:41:56,200 --> 00:42:00,520
Speaker 2: same in saying that, though, like, hey, I can sometimes

822
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:03,440
Speaker 2: be like set myself a deadline and being like I

823
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:07,760
Speaker 2: guess also it's about knowing, like when you set yourself

824
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:11,759
Speaker 2: a deadline with the pressure of is this like good

825
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:14,880
Speaker 2: pressure or if this is just like pressure that I'm

826
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:16,000
Speaker 2: like gonna tip over.

827
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:18,879
Speaker 1: The edge, That's true. Sometimes it can be like I

828
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:21,239
Speaker 1: sometimes struggle with being a little too rigid and the

829
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:23,600
Speaker 1: deadlines I set for myself. And then, you know, I'm

830
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:25,960
Speaker 1: a big fan of accountability and letting other people know

831
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:29,240
Speaker 1: what I'm working on so that they can keep me accountable.

832
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:31,359
Speaker 1: But I realize it actually, most of time, I'm the

833
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:35,280
Speaker 1: only one that cares about whether I meet the deadline

834
00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:37,400
Speaker 1: or not. So sometimes I do have to let myself

835
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:39,600
Speaker 1: off the hook and be like, no, you're the only

836
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:42,160
Speaker 1: one putting you know, if my circumstances changed, if I

837
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:45,080
Speaker 1: end up taking on like another big project that throws

838
00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:47,360
Speaker 1: things out, that I do have to be you know,

839
00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:49,640
Speaker 1: gentle and realistic with myself and be like, it doesn't

840
00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:52,879
Speaker 1: actually matter if you launch that thing, you know, two

841
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:55,440
Speaker 1: weeks later, because you're the only one who's really bothered

842
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:55,759
Speaker 1: by it.

843
00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:59,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, And lastly, I just wanted to ask if you

844
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:03,759
Speaker 2: have any ten tips for us for really setting boundaries

845
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:07,880
Speaker 2: with our work life compared to our home life. I

846
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:10,319
Speaker 2: know that you are obviously such a busy human and

847
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:13,759
Speaker 2: you have so much on a but also you're huge

848
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:14,880
Speaker 2: about setting boundaries.

849
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:16,239
Speaker 3: So what does that look like for you?

850
00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:19,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean obviously it let's start with mindset and

851
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:21,879
Speaker 1: sort of working out what your values are and what's

852
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:24,919
Speaker 1: important to you, and you know, having your non negotiables,

853
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:27,840
Speaker 1: like okay, when I'm having dinner with my partner, like

854
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:30,280
Speaker 1: I would not be on my phone. Also, I sometimes

855
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:32,479
Speaker 1: don't practice what I preach for this, but so yeah,

856
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:34,560
Speaker 1: it starts that. But I'm also a big band of

857
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:37,680
Speaker 1: just using apps. As you probably have heard, that that

858
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:41,080
Speaker 1: helped me, That forced me to respect the boundaries I've

859
00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:44,920
Speaker 1: set for myself. So definitely that digital wellbeing, those digital

860
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:48,200
Speaker 1: wellbeing tools for on my phone to kick me off

861
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:51,680
Speaker 1: my apps at a certain time. You know, a site

862
00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:54,439
Speaker 1: like an appletic block site that like blocks you from

863
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:57,680
Speaker 1: distracting sites over a certain amount of time. You can

864
00:43:57,719 --> 00:44:00,680
Speaker 1: also use that to I guess, kick yourself off at

865
00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:04,520
Speaker 1: certain times. I've also used things in the past like Ardios,

866
00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:07,520
Speaker 1: which is an app that like only sends your emails

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Speaker 1: an app like that it literally, yeah, it sends it

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Speaker 1: And I've definitely used that in the past to like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: because it sometimes fine with email, it just takes you

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Speaker 1: off trackly what you're doing. And also in terms of

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Speaker 1: you know, work life balance, if you're still looking at

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Speaker 1: emails at ten o'clock at night, that's that's taking you

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Speaker 1: out of lifetime. And I think doing having this boundaries

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Speaker 1: are so important for work life balance, not just because

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Speaker 1: of you know, your for your mental health, but also

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Speaker 1: I think it can lose your identity a bit when

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Speaker 1: you're when it's just work all the time, because you

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Speaker 1: start to lose sight of who am I while I'm

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Speaker 1: not working. So for me, that's been a big lasson

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Speaker 1: I've had to learn, like, you know, if not for

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Speaker 1: my mental health, which is you know, super important, then

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Speaker 1: do it for you know, still having a stronger sense

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Speaker 1: of my I guess true self. So it's definitely something

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Speaker 1: I've had to learn, but and I'm still working on it.

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Speaker 3: No, I love that.

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Speaker 2: And lastly, Emma, something that I am asking all my

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Speaker 2: Season three guests is what advice would you give yourself

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Speaker 2: if you're having moments of self doubt or fear around

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Speaker 2: starting something new or doing something new, what do you

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Speaker 2: tell yourself?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so I am a big fan of you know

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Speaker 1: this expression, feel a fear, but do it anyway, Like,

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Speaker 1: I don't think you're ever gonna like be completely free

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Speaker 1: from self doubt. It's just something we all struggle with,

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Speaker 1: no matter what level you get to. But it's just

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Speaker 1: for me, I just remind myself, I've done scary things

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Speaker 1: before and I've survived, and I try and like, what

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Speaker 1: is the absolute worst case scenario? And you know, normally

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Speaker 1: it's death, which is not you know, it's just never

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Speaker 1: a realistic outcome of what's going to actually happen. So really,

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Speaker 1: normally the worst case scenario is actually just a bit

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Speaker 1: of discomfort, Like and any discomfort I've had in the past, like,

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Speaker 1: I've not only survived it, but there's been something really

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Speaker 1: amazing on the other side, so it's been so worth doing.

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Speaker 1: So I just, yeah, try and think of times that

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Speaker 1: I have some things that were scary and uncomfortable and

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Speaker 1: came out better on you know, on the other side

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Speaker 1: because of it, and then I just I just go

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Speaker 1: for it. I'm a big fan also just starting before

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Speaker 1: you feel ready, because ready, and you know, starting before

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Speaker 1: you feel perfect as well, because yeah, ready and perfect

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Speaker 1: are things that I personally don't think exists, so you've

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Speaker 1: just got to do it at some point.

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Speaker 3: I love that so much.

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Speaker 2: That was so perfect. Thank you so much, Emma. You

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Speaker 2: have been such a pleasure. And can you let the

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Speaker 2: audience know where they can find you?

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Speaker 1: Yes, so they can find a Girl and Progress on

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Speaker 1: Instagram at Underscore a Girl and Progress or at www

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Speaker 1: dot girl Andprogress dot com. And they can find me

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Speaker 1: on Instagram at just emmaj Norris. Pretty easy to.

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Speaker 2: Remember, amazing and I will put all those links in

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Speaker 2: the show notes.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much, Emma.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for having me. I'm such a

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Speaker 1: huge fan on the podcast and new so it's been yeah,

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Speaker 1: just such an honor to get to come on and

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Speaker 1: share my journey with everyone.

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Speaker 3: Oh I appreciate that.

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Speaker 2: And that is it for today's episode.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much for listening. I hope you enjoyed

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Speaker 3: this chat.

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Speaker 2: And guys, if you did love this episode, if you

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Speaker 2: Conker podcast. And if you do love the podcast and

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Speaker 2: a private group where we chatted all things we do

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Speaker 2: on the podcast.

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Speaker 3: But thank you so much for listening. I'll chat to

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Speaker 3: you in our next step. It was for doll me

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Speaker 3: there's no maybe, there's all the time before dreams even.

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Speaker 1: Hear the car

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Speaker 3: And I'm don't want me to see