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Speaker 1: It's the Happy Families podcast. It's the podcast for the

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Speaker 1: time poor parent who just answers now Well.

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Speaker 2: Parental Guidance Season two is finished. Hello, I'm doctor Justin Coilson.

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Speaker 2: I'm here with Kylie, my wife Mon who has six kids,

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Speaker 2: and Kylie. Our conversation today is all about what happened

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Speaker 2: on the TV last night and how much fun this

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Speaker 2: TV show is Parental Guidance. For those of you who

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Speaker 2: have missed it, you can catch it on nine now,

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Speaker 2: But there are going to be spoiler alerts all the

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Speaker 2: way through this podcast episode, So if you do plan

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Speaker 2: on seeing it and you haven't yet watched the finale,

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Speaker 2: don't listen to this podcast until you've watched the show.

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Speaker 3: So the other morning, I was having a conversation with

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Speaker 3: miss Emily, a nine year old, and she had She

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Speaker 3: came out with the funniest line and I really wanted

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Speaker 3: to get her voice saying it. I have a recording.

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Speaker 3: It is a repeat. I asked her to repeat what

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Speaker 3: she said. It does sound a bit staged, but this

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Speaker 3: was one hundred percent how this conversation went.

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Speaker 2: So, em are you loving Parental Guidance? Yeah? Who are

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Speaker 2: your favorite parents?

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Speaker 1: Probably the slowing gentle ones.

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Speaker 2: Are we slow and gentle?

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Speaker 3: No, definitely not not. I mean, we love hanging out

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Speaker 3: with our kids. You're not snails sly, you're cheaterah fast.

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Speaker 2: For you, so parental guidances, cheata fast, honey, cheetah fast.

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Speaker 2: What's interesting to me about that is that our children

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Speaker 2: are not perceiving us as slow or gentle, and I

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Speaker 2: would have thought that, I would have thought we fit

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Speaker 2: into those categories pretty well. I mean, I see a

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Speaker 2: bit of slow parenting in us. No, a bit of

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Speaker 3: In me maybe.

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Speaker 2: All right, So, with the cuteness overload out of the way,

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Speaker 2: I think that there's a couple of things to talk

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Speaker 2: about from last night's finale. First off, a couple. Okay,

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Speaker 2: there's about eighteen things. Look, we've got a year's worth

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Speaker 2: of podcast content from this show, honestly, but we're going

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Speaker 2: to try and do it in the next sort of

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Speaker 2: the biggest spoiler of the night. The show does ultimately

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Speaker 2: lead towards having a winner. Now, this is something that

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Speaker 2: social media people get really upset about. Why does it

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Speaker 2: have to have a winner? We don't need a winner

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Speaker 2: on this show, like, just let's enjoy the parenting and

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Speaker 2: we don't make a big deal about the winning at all.

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Speaker 2: It's not about the best parenting style.

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Speaker 3: I really love how the show does it though. It's

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Speaker 3: about acknowledging the family that's given us the most parental guidance.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the parents in the room, they're the ones who decide.

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Speaker 2: We really just loved learning from this person or watching

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Speaker 3: So the end of the day, it's really about the

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Speaker 3: style they bring to the table that gives us opportunity

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Speaker 2: And in so many ways, pretty much every family that

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Speaker 2: So any of them could have ended up being the

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Speaker 2: quote unquote winner. As it happens, this is what the

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Speaker 4: Guess what the votes are in voted by you. The

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Speaker 2: But I think that almost any family could have gotten

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Speaker 5: I am so grateful You're awesome.

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Speaker 3: But again, I think there was this collective energy in

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Speaker 3: or that we missed out. There was just a collective energy.

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Speaker 3: This has been such an amazing experience and I have

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Speaker 2: And people even said that this has been a once

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Speaker 3: Children, how strong they are, and also the fact that

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Speaker 6: I would never change it.

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Speaker 1: It's definitely something that will treasure forever.

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Speaker 2: So Kylie, great experience to watch, great experience to participating

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Speaker 2: across the board. What I want to highlight as we

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Speaker 3: Since this is the podcast for the time, poor parent,

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Speaker 3: I'm wondering where you're going to take us with this

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Speaker 2: I do want to be brief, but I want to

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Speaker 2: bring everything back to a specific framework. So my new book,

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Speaker 2: The Parenting Revolution is all about the framework that helps

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Speaker 2: us to guide our children successfully. And in that book

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Speaker 2: I talk about a couple of different leavers that we

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Speaker 2: can pull. The first one is the lever of relationship. Okay,

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Speaker 2: so this is how warm we are and how nurturing

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Speaker 2: and how connected, whether we help our kids to feel seen,

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Speaker 2: hurt and valued. I think that it's pretty safe to

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Speaker 2: involved during all of the challenges. Now there are a

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Speaker 2: When they're getting so caught up in it, the relationship

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Speaker 7: It didn't look like elfe after at all.

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Speaker 2: It just looked like a bunch of pipes all tied together.

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Speaker 7: I think we broove it over to them.

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Speaker 8: Oh the way, child, pay attention you my orror. How

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Speaker 8: it's dipped this way. It's always like this and pulling,

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Speaker 3: Going to shushs shushes.

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Speaker 2: The important thing to me here is not to shame

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Speaker 2: any families, because every single one of us has been there,

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Speaker 2: We've all had exactly that experience. But rather it's to

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Speaker 8: I realized when I watched that that I wasn't all

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Speaker 4: I've given him instruction most of his life, you know,

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Speaker 5: What I said was, don't be a wiss But really,

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Speaker 5: at the end of the day, it is something to

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Speaker 3: That won't come out my mouth again. And that's the

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Speaker 2: No awareness of it. That's right. It seemed so perfectly justified.

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Speaker 2: In fact, we've had an incident in our home just

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Speaker 2: I know that I did that. I felt like it

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Speaker 2: in shame. I know it. But in the moment, it

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Speaker 2: the relationship lever, and for the most part, like I said,

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Speaker 2: and this is where things get interesting. The whole show

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Speaker 2: is actually a show about to what extent do you

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Speaker 2: much about this show that is just about how we

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Speaker 2: show some self regulation and evacuate the house regardless, it's

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Speaker 2: all about control. What about what happened with the orienteering

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Speaker 5: Mark always says, you know, I go off the sun.

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Speaker 8: I can get us anywhere.

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Speaker 2: I know what time it is.

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Speaker 3: I don't need a watch.

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Speaker 7: I'll give you a tip.

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Speaker 2: That's northeach, I'm pretty sure we go this way.

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Speaker 3: That's this way.

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Speaker 9: Look at the calculator.

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Speaker 2: It's this way.

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Speaker 5: We're heading over that way.

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Speaker 2: But I made a coach's call to override him.

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Speaker 5: Heykay T, it's amazing.

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Speaker 8: It is the way I said.

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Speaker 5: No, no, he won't.

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Speaker 3: In the end, As I was watching that experience, it

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Speaker 3: your book, The Parenting Revolution. Okay, and you say, what

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Speaker 3: is a good parent? In so many ways? None of

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Speaker 3: us are. We all fail miserably in our efforts to

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Speaker 3: raise our children well. It is, as Freud suggested, an

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Speaker 3: impossible task. In so many other ways, all of us

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Speaker 3: and expectations. We work hard at it, and we love,

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Speaker 3: oh how we love, perhaps more than anything. A good

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Speaker 3: parent is one who gives a child with loving structure, guidance,

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Speaker 3: and support their voice. Oh and the trust and freedom

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Speaker 2: Did I write that?

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Speaker 3: And each time we've had the opportunity to see this

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Speaker 3: children's boys, or in my own childhood experiences, felt like

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Speaker 3: I didn't have a voice, And that quote just keeps

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Speaker 3: it's actually about giving our children a voice.

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Speaker 2: So we've talked about the team parents and the way

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Speaker 2: Matt's voice was taken away from him and how important

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Speaker 3: And yet Dad was wrong. Yes, that was the crazy thing.

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Speaker 3: Not only did he take his voice away, but then

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Speaker 3: he was literally going in the complete opposite direction. Mark

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Speaker 3: how often? But as parents, how often do we do that?

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Speaker 2: I'm sure it happens all the time. It's a beautiful

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Speaker 2: metaphor for parenting. I've got to include it in my

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Speaker 2: next book. It's so good. What about Deepak and Cardule

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Speaker 3: She was so explicit. She knew exactly what was going

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Speaker 3: to happen if they didn't listen.

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Speaker 2: Here's what happens when Murdulla is trying to help mum

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Speaker 9: I love it back next Tiven, Yeah, they're not just straight.

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Speaker 8: Just go to see the car when we hit the car.

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Speaker 3: It was an impossible taskutes to do it. Number one

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Speaker 8: As American parents, are expectations for Pierre when she has

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Speaker 7: Keep your feet nice and wide apart, and you're going

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Speaker 8: You got it, baby, you got it. You can do this.

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Speaker 7: You're okay, that's it.

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Speaker 2: Like Mark the team parent telling Matt, No, no, you're

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Speaker 2: It's just that the stakes feel higher and there's more emotion.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but for them to actually see it and get

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Speaker 9: I mean, I feel whoe it wasn't the best way

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Speaker 2: Now, I want to add all the level of complication

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Speaker 8: I did it. Good job. We had a child who

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Speaker 3: Yeah, not just saying that.

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Speaker 4: I'm not just saying that, Okay, we're good.

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Speaker 8: I'm really proud of you.

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Speaker 2: That was really good.

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Speaker 7: That was really hard, really hard, But.

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Speaker 2: I think that from now on, she's not going to

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Speaker 3: Or is this, as Deepak suggested, because she has an

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Speaker 2: He said it so well.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so this is where we get into genuine tiger parenting, right,

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Speaker 3: She grows up as an adult who either doesn't trust

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Speaker 2: So there's a big conversation here about consent and saying

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Speaker 7: I'm so you're okay? No, Bill, Come on, Bill, Bill,

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Speaker 7: I can't do it.

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Speaker 2: Yes you can.

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Speaker 8: You can't do it.

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Speaker 8: Look up, look up?

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Speaker 7: You got to start leaning back, Bill, Look up, Look up, Billy, Billy,

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Speaker 7: trust me.

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Speaker 6: No, I'm not looking up?

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Speaker 7: Are you going to look at me?

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Speaker 2: Just stop from Are you going to tell me no?

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Speaker 7: Don't tell me no.

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Speaker 7: You know, if you want something in life, you you've

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Speaker 4: You got to lean back.

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Speaker 7: Please, I'm trying to help you, and.

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Speaker 2: I don't like people talking to me too, and I'm

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Speaker 3: All of the So there's the same level of control

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Speaker 3: Because I know that once you do it, you're going

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Speaker 2: And this all comes back to that idea of you've

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Speaker 3: But when Billy said to his dad, what Billy would

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Speaker 2: Okay, so there's another thing here as well, and that

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Speaker 7: You don't have another game?

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Speaker 3: I do wonder if this would have gone differently for

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Speaker 2: I wonder if it would have gone differently if the

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Speaker 2: So you can rest assured that there was appropriate induction,

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Speaker 3: Outside of Matt doing it himself in a hope that

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Speaker 3: These other kids were kind of just there on their own.

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Speaker 3: They didn't get to watch somebody else do it first.

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Speaker 3: They didn't get the sense of, oh, they made it

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Speaker 2: So I just pictured our nine year old being at

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Speaker 2: do it.

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Speaker 5: You're about to do something that you've never done before.

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Speaker 6: I have all the faith in the.

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Speaker 8: World in you.

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Speaker 2: We got this.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, Well if I fool, well, I just go.

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Speaker 5: With your four ten meters.

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Speaker 8: Isn't it yet?

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Speaker 5: Well I die probably not not broken arm, But that's

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Speaker 5: about it.

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Speaker 4: What did I sign into.

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Speaker 8: The biggest thrill of your life?

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Speaker 3: So this was a little bit controversial though in the room.

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Speaker 3: There was almost some criticism that she actually didn't push enough,

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Speaker 3: you know, And I loved her comment when she just said.

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Speaker 5: Her crying told me that she wasn't comfortable. Then the

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Speaker 5: mother bear kicked in.

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Speaker 3: Are you sure.

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Speaker 5: I want to relieve her of pain?

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Speaker 1: You know?

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Speaker 5: I want to be the honest parent, but I don't

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Speaker 5: want to instill pain on my children.

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Speaker 3: To me, that speaks volumes as a parent to understand

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Speaker 3: and know when to push and when to step back.

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Speaker 2: The parents in the room, though, felt like she stepped

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Speaker 2: back too soon. I look at the age of the kids.

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Speaker 2: I look at the fact that it's their first experience

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Speaker 2: doing this. I think, take the pressure off. It's such

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Speaker 2: an interesting, interesting conversation, fascinating to watch.

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Speaker 3: But what I loved about Kat was there was an

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Speaker 3: acknowledgement this wouldn't be the last time they tried this. Yes,

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Speaker 3: And I think that that's the difference. We're pinning everything

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Speaker 3: on this one experience and suggesting there'll never be another time.

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Speaker 2: This is the only chance you've got for your child

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Speaker 2: to become resilient, the only time. If they don't do

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Speaker 2: it now, it won't happen.

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Speaker 3: We allow our children to have these experiences and then

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Speaker 3: deal with the natural consequences, whether that be disappointment or

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Speaker 3: regret upset. That is a natural concer quints of their

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Speaker 3: unwillingness to give it a go. But it's more likely

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Speaker 3: that next time they're placed in a position, they might

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Speaker 3: be able to remember those experiences and think, maybe I

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Speaker 3: can try this.

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Speaker 6: Well.

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Speaker 2: We could talk about this for so much longer. Our

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Speaker 2: time is more than up already. It goes so fast.

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Speaker 2: When we're trying to do a summary of I feel

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Speaker 2: like the summary could actually be longer than the show itself,

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Speaker 2: Like we could really talk about everything for so much time.

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Speaker 2: We really hope that our podcast has prompted even more conversations.

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Speaker 2: Based on what you've seen in Parental Guidance Season two,

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Speaker 2: it seems like everybody was happy with the show. So

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Speaker 2: fingers crossed, we don't know yet, we know nothing yet,

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Speaker 2: but fingers crossed. Hopefully there'll be a season three and

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Speaker 2: we get to have these conversations all over again, with

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Speaker 2: a whole lot of new families, a whole lot of

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Speaker 2: new styles, a whole lot of new challenges. We live

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Speaker 2: in hope, Kylie.

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Speaker 3: I wonder if Cheetah Fast will be a man.

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Speaker 2: Cheata fast parenting style. Yeah, yeah, that's me. The Happy

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Speaker 2: Family podca as produced by Justin Roland for Bridge Media.

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Speaker 2: Craig Bruce is our executive producer, Kylie, Just before we wrap,

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Speaker 2: is there any last thing that you really took out

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Speaker 2: of the season that you just think we've got to remember.

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Speaker 3: I think it was in Kat's comments at the very

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Speaker 3: end when she said this, I think I'm always going

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Speaker 3: to be an honest parent.

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Speaker 5: That just confirms it. I've can finally trust my gut

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Speaker 5: instinct and it's telling me that I'm on the.

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Speaker 8: Right track, And.

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Speaker 3: It just reinforced to me how important it is that

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Speaker 3: we trust our own voice. We're talking about what it

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Speaker 3: is to be a good parent and how about kids

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Speaker 3: to trust their own voice. But as parents, we know

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Speaker 3: our kids better than anyone else, and the chance we

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Speaker 3: have to just listen to that in a voice that

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Speaker 3: says keep going or step back, that's the voice, that's

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Speaker 3: the voice we need to listen to more than anyone else.

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Speaker 2: Well, I don't mind listening to your voice about it

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Speaker 2: as well. I think there's some good value there. Hey,

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Speaker 2: thanks so much for listening. We really hope, really really

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Speaker 2: hope that it's been an informative set of conversations that

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Speaker 2: we've had and I loved the show. The Happy Families

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Speaker 2: Podcast returns tomorrow where Missus Happy Families interviews the star

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Speaker 2: of the show, not me, I was the I'm the star.

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Speaker 2: Allison Maidan's the star of the show. She's the host

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Speaker 2: of the show. And we're gonna get the inside guys

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Speaker 2: from Ali tomorrow