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Speaker 1: Well, if you were listening to the show yesterday, you

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Speaker 1: Selena Ubo joins me on the show.

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Speaker 2: Good morning, Selena, good wanting Katie, big warm good morning

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Speaker 3: Now, Selena, do you think that that cost is justified?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Katie, the costs are quite large, but bearing in

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Speaker 2: now she's not. Katie.

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Speaker 3: You believe that crime is worse now than.

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Speaker 2: So at the moment we are seeing those numbers rise,

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Speaker 1: that in itself obviously presents quite a few issues, as

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Speaker 1: we have seen and as we've certainly been covering off

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Speaker 1: comes to the Palmerston Watchhouse, the Police Association last week

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Speaker 1: said it had reached a crisis point. Nathan Finn confirming

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Speaker 1: that one hundred detainees were recorded in custody as of

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Speaker 1: Wednesday morning. I know that that fluctuates a bit from

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Speaker 1: day to day, but that included seventy six correctional prisoners.

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Speaker 1: What do you think needs to happen in this space,

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Speaker 1: you know, particularly when you look at the watchhouse.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Katie's huge amounts of pressures there. We've heard the

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Speaker 2: NT Police Association of the Northern Territory as well as NAJA,

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Speaker 2: the Legal Service for Avacual Territories, all speak in the

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Speaker 2: same concern around the pressures on the justice system, but

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Speaker 2: particularly around those watchhouses. The CLP came to government again

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Speaker 2: promising to reduce crime. We are seeing some of those

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Speaker 2: numbers escalate. And what we are not seeing is how

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Speaker 2: the pressures on the justice system are also streamlining. So

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Speaker 2: that's a big concern. We're not seeing the government pulling

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Speaker 2: together with the different portfolios, with the different departments to

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Speaker 2: show that there is a huge amount of work in

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Speaker 2: this space. They talk about it, they have acknowledged it,

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Speaker 2: but they're not actually showing us action in this space.

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Speaker 2: So again, we as the opposition want to be able

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Speaker 2: to support some of those changes, those systematic changes and

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Speaker 2: improvements when it comes to justice. We want to make

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Speaker 2: sure our police and our corrections officers who are at

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Speaker 2: the front line are supported, but most importantly that they

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Speaker 2: are safe too when they go to work. So we

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Speaker 2: can see the pressures on places like the Parmesan wash

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Speaker 2: House to be relieved. So we're not seeing all of

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Speaker 2: those sequences at the moment from the COLP, and we'll

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Speaker 2: keep asking those questions, Katie, because we know it affects

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Speaker 2: our neighbors, it affects those people who are working in

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Speaker 2: our community to keep us safe. We're not supporting them

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Speaker 2: by keeping them safe in return.

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Speaker 1: Well, Selina youu bo, the leader of the opposition, will

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Speaker 1: leave it there for this morning. Always good to catch

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Speaker 1: up with you. Thank you for your time.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: Katie, thank you