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Speaker 1: Already and this is the Daily This is the Daily OS.

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Speaker 1: Oh now it makes sense. Good morning and welcome to

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Speaker 1: the Daily ODS. It is Friday, the twenty sixth of April.

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Speaker 1: I am Billy, I'm Zara. In a first for Australia,

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Speaker 1: two women have launched an independent campaign to win a

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Speaker 1: single seat at the next federal election. Bronwin Boch and

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Speaker 1: Lucy Bradlaugh hope to run together for the same seat

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Speaker 1: and share the responsibilities of a single federal politician. Boc

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Speaker 1: and Bradlaugh will contest the seat of Higgins in suburban Melbourne,

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Speaker 1: and in today's episode I interviewed them to ask them

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Speaker 1: all the questions that I'm sure you are thinking right now.

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Speaker 1: But first, Sarah, what is making headlines today?

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Speaker 2: Five young people have been charged following a joint counter

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Speaker 2: the Children's Court. New South Wales Police have confirmed that

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Speaker 2: Okay, so, Billy, this has been all over the headlines

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Speaker 2: this week. I have read every hot take there is

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Speaker 2: to read about this job sharing arrange. Tell me about

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Speaker 2: your interview.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So, like I said before, these two women have

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Speaker 1: launched this campaign to job share the role of a

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Speaker 1: single federal MP. And I think the idea of job

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Speaker 1: sharing is something that we have heard a lot of

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Speaker 1: in corporate Australia, this idea that some people will want

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Speaker 1: to do a single role, but they'll only want to

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Speaker 1: do two days and then another person will maybe do three.

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Speaker 1: So it's common in corporate Australia, but not in politics

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Speaker 1: until now with these two women wanting to try it.

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Speaker 1: And like you said, Zara, this has been really big

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Speaker 1: news this week because it's something, as I've said, we've

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Speaker 1: enjoy this episode. Brodwin Boch and Lucy Bradlaugh. Thank you

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Speaker 1: so much for joining The Daily Oz.

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Speaker 4: Thanks for having us.

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Speaker 5: Thanks Billy.

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Speaker 1: Let's start with the very basics. I'm interested how did

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Speaker 4: So I've spent both in my career working in and

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Speaker 4: Ronnin and I have a great desire to serve our

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Speaker 1: And Rob win the response from you, Yeah.

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Speaker 5: When Lucy approached me with the idea of campaigning as

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Speaker 5: me to say yes. I strongly believe that Parliament should

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Speaker 5: be like any other workplace where job sharing, flex working

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Speaker 1: And so in reality, what could this actually look like,

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Speaker 1: you know, when it comes to sharing a single salary

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so the way we've proposed doing it is a

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Speaker 5: Us and Billy. Just to add to that, We've been

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Speaker 5: So what Lucy and I have a confident with is

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Speaker 1: And I'm sure when you guys came up with this

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Speaker 4: Look, I think we're not native to the fact that

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Speaker 4: But also politics works fast and slow. These bills come in,

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Speaker 4: And I think we can do that pretty seamlessly.

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Speaker 1: Now, you're both said that there is no legal barrier

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Speaker 1: I'm sure you've heard a few constitutional experts have pointed

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Speaker 4: Well, we are one member. Our response to that is

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Speaker 4: be two people acting as one member. But there's nothing

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Speaker 5: And Billy also getting constitutional legal advice from our brilliant lawyer,

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Speaker 5: Kim Rubinstein, and it is her view that is needs

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Speaker 5: to be in law that prohibits two people running on

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Speaker 1: And if your nomination form isn't initially accepted. Will you

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Speaker 5: We believe that it is possible. We wouldn't have been

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Speaker 5: So we believe there's a real path forward and we're

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Speaker 5: We've also been holding kitchen table conversations with the people

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Speaker 5: then there's a whole lot of benefits here as well.

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Speaker 5: You're bringing two sets of skills and experience to the role,

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Speaker 1: I think the first question that a lot of people

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Speaker 4: Well, we're doing this together because we have fundamentally the

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Speaker 4: There will be disagreements over things, for sure, and in

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Speaker 1: So you're running for the seat of Higgins in Melbourne,

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Speaker 4: I think Bronwin talked about the fact that we've been

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Speaker 4: I think that one of the things that we keep

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Speaker 4: in federal politics. They're tired of the two party system.

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Speaker 4: being beholdened to vested interests. They want to see real representation.

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Speaker 4: They have questions, as we said, about how job sharing

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Speaker 1: And just lastly, if you do get in, what are

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Speaker 1: the issues that you both are most passionate about.

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Speaker 5: We stand for real action on climate change targets alone

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Speaker 5: won't reduce our carbon emissions. We also for sustainable measures

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Speaker 5: to help people with the cost of living crisis, and

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Speaker 5: integrity in politics and parliament is also a really important

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Speaker 5: one for us. I know Lucy and I strongly believe

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Speaker 5: that if we are in, we should only be representing

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Speaker 5: astituents and not vested interests.

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Speaker 1: Brum and Bock and Lucy Bradlaugh, thank you so much

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Speaker 1: for joining The Daily Ours.

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Speaker 4: Thanks Billy, Thanks Billy.

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