Speaker 1: This is a very special edition of Talkback Tings.
Speaker 2: Usually we bring you the bits of gold that we
Speaker 2: hear on talkback radio just for your enjoyment.
Speaker 1: But now we've sat.
Speaker 2: Down with one of the people who we've spoken about
Speaker 2: many times behind their back. Yeah, mister John Laws, the
Speaker 2: king of talkback in Australia. You would know him from
Speaker 2: our podcast Open A.
Speaker 1: It's this guy.
Speaker 3: Bring Pikes nurseries what nursery? Pikes? P y k e
Speaker 3: s Hey? Why I kay as in kill hey?
Speaker 4: Why? Okay?
Speaker 5: God? He's good, isn't he. That's classic John Laws.
Speaker 2: And so we got to sit down with him. And
Speaker 2: how that came about was, remember we tried to prank
Speaker 2: call him during one of our Talkback Tings Tugment.
Speaker 5: We got Dit my alter ego to do it.
Speaker 2: Yes, you tried to get through as an old lady
Speaker 2: in disguise, and this is what happened.
Speaker 6: Morning Shirke.
Speaker 5: How are your name dot?
Speaker 6: Excuse that out for me, O T Dot?
Speaker 5: And how old are you? I'm eighty three? What do
Speaker 5: you mean by Mitch?
Speaker 6: Mitch?
Speaker 1: I think No, I don't.
Speaker 5: Put me through to John.
Speaker 4: Please.
Speaker 6: I can't put you through to John. He doesn't like you.
Speaker 2: Hey, Darlin, if we can't get through as dot, can
Speaker 2: you tea up an interview with John Laws and our podcast?
Speaker 1: We'd love to have him. I can give it a
Speaker 1: thanks Darlin.
Speaker 5: All right, you guys, you don't ask, you don't get.
Speaker 2: That's exactly right, and any normal person would just let
Speaker 2: that slide. But because I am Mitchell Kombs the pesky bitch,
Speaker 2: I held the.
Speaker 1: Producer to that.
Speaker 2: And originally all I wanted was a surprise phone call
Speaker 2: for you on your birthday. But apparently what I'm told
Speaker 2: is John listened to our podcast. I suspect someone would
Speaker 2: have played it to him, because hello, he's not gonna
Speaker 2: be able to put on a podcast, no, And he
Speaker 2: heard that Pike's nursery grab that we play in the opener,
Speaker 2: and apparently we passed the vibe check just because of that.
Speaker 2: He just heard that we were using his old audio
Speaker 2: and just went so funny. Yep, bring them in. I
Speaker 2: don't want to talk to them on the phone.
Speaker 1: Bring them in.
Speaker 2: So we have to wait until after lockdown, and so
Speaker 2: it finally happened.
Speaker 4: Oh.
Speaker 5: I just want to preface this by saying I hate awkwardness,
Speaker 5: and I normally have full control in an interview, because
Speaker 5: I do interviews for it at my job, so just
Speaker 5: go in there. I know what I'm doing. But being
Speaker 5: on the other side having John Law sitting there staring
Speaker 5: at you with very very measured breaths and eyeblinks like
Speaker 5: he's in full manual mode, it was really intimidating.
Speaker 2: It was Meanwhile, I love awkwardness. However I hate shit
Speaker 2: audio quality, which is why I was so caught off
Speaker 2: guard when we visited the King of Talkback and they
Speaker 2: said to us, we've only got one guest mark. You'll
Speaker 2: just have to share it.
Speaker 5: You have to lean into the mind.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: So that's why we found all echoey and shit. I
Speaker 2: feel that that might actually be a tactic from John.
Speaker 1: He just wants everyone to sound a little bit more
Speaker 1: inferior to him.
Speaker 5: Mitch and I were sharing. Look, it was fun, but
Speaker 5: it would.
Speaker 1: Steel an absolute honor. We made that mistake.
Speaker 5: We end up going through his back catalogs of music.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he pulled out his CD. He has bloody music.
Speaker 1: Did you guys know that did legitimately have a stack
Speaker 1: of CD?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 1: With all his music, apparently he has many albums, like
Speaker 1: more than ten.
Speaker 5: We almost I think we said at some point, oh,
Speaker 5: can we grab one to play in the podcast, and
Speaker 5: they were not, you can't take these. These are the
Speaker 5: other coffee.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you'll hear it in the internet.
Speaker 2: He had to get his assistant, who was called the
Speaker 2: Mother Superior. She had to bloody burn a CD and
Speaker 2: send it to me later.
Speaker 1: And he didn't play it to us.
Speaker 5: I will say that Jenna and Sam, much to my stress,
Speaker 5: Mitch did ask the question that we ask every guest
Speaker 5: you know eighty how old is John Laws?
Speaker 1: Eighty six?
Speaker 5: Mitchell asked an eighty six year old to add to
Speaker 5: our list of things better than drugs, and Dick.
Speaker 1: I did no. Why would I break the rules for him?
Speaker 1: I asked every guest.
Speaker 2: I also offered him of abe like I wasn't there,
Speaker 2: John and I would just vibe me.
Speaker 5: Mitch, Mitch, I had to kill John Laws. You weren't
Speaker 5: light g eyes, Jay, Yeah.
Speaker 2: Like you know how I felt like a fly in
Speaker 2: the wall during that tivert As interview because he couldn't
Speaker 2: stand me opposite John and I were vibing.
Speaker 1: Mitch thought that he hated him.
Speaker 5: Mitch vibes with wide misogynistic men, and I vibe with young.
Speaker 1: Godsly men. We also spoke about that Awardi one recently.
Speaker 1: You know what was it again, the.
Speaker 5: Kennedy Ward lifetime achievement.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was quite sad.
Speaker 2: He gave his speech about how he lost his wife
Speaker 2: Caroline on stage.
Speaker 5: And a good friend, a good media friend that was
Speaker 5: in the industry for years. Look, it was a really
Speaker 5: long chat. It was an enjoyable chat.
Speaker 2: Towards the end, like maybe the last three minutes is
Speaker 2: when he was trying to make it awkward on purpose.
Speaker 2: And I loved it because I love that shit. But
Speaker 2: you were just like panicking.
Speaker 5: Oh, I hated I didn't know what was going on.
Speaker 5: There was sometimes I thought I'd really offended him, but
Speaker 5: Mitch assured me that that's his sarcasm, any sense of humor,
Speaker 5: which for anyone else and he sprightly thirty year old,
Speaker 5: there'd be a beat and they'd go, no, just pull
Speaker 5: on your leg. But there were many beats.
Speaker 2: You clearly aren't as much of a diehard laws and
Speaker 2: Ada as I lovely later.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I'm not T shirt.
Speaker 5: I'm more of a Johnson. That's Alan Johns team.
Speaker 2: Right. Anyway, without further ado here it is, I'll sit
Speaker 2: down with John Laws.
Speaker 4: Hollow World. I'm John Laws, John Laws.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Nate, how are you welcome to the show?
Speaker 4: The Bigger pardon?
Speaker 5: Welcome to the show. It's great to have you here.
Speaker 4: It's my show, our show.
Speaker 5: You're on our show, we're on yours.
Speaker 4: I mean you're welcome to No. No, that's one of
Speaker 4: the rules. This always remains the John Lord Show. Okay,
Speaker 4: you're a visitor and you're very welcome you, but it's
Speaker 4: the John Lord Show. If you could keep that in mind,
Speaker 4: I'd be extremely grateful.
Speaker 5: Got it on it.
Speaker 2: Well, we're actually here in the fortress, so this is
Speaker 2: your territory. What was your useless piece of information for today?
Speaker 5: They don't every show.
Speaker 4: How could I remember three hours ago? Oh?
Speaker 1: Really? You just scrunch it up, get rid of it.
Speaker 4: Well, you've got to listen if you want to hear
Speaker 4: the useless information. Now, what are you charming people doing
Speaker 4: here in my studio?
Speaker 5: Well, we're big fans, John, We've been We've been in
Speaker 5: the industry for six years, five years, so a little
Speaker 5: dot compared to yours. Yeah, we're die hard fans. We
Speaker 5: work inside Kiss so alongside Kyle Sandalans, who you know,
Speaker 5: really takes a lot of his inspiration from you.
Speaker 1: Oh he does, doesn't.
Speaker 4: He He's taken everything from me, everything, the mic, a
Speaker 4: gold microphone, the headphones, the rolls, Royce car, the lot,
Speaker 4: the lot. He hasn't got a single genuine original thought.
Speaker 4: And he's rather lovely.
Speaker 5: Are you're a fan of Kyle?
Speaker 4: I like him. I like Kyle. Don't underestimate Kyle's pretty bright.
Speaker 5: He's good at what he does.
Speaker 2: They've been chatting a lot on Kyle and Jackie I
Speaker 2: Show recently about the fact that a lot of people
Speaker 2: suspect that Kyle could be secretly gay.
Speaker 4: What do he means secretly?
Speaker 2: They were telling him that you do come across that
Speaker 2: at a glance, some people might suspect that you're gay.
Speaker 1: What do you think of that?
Speaker 4: I don't think so, And it wouldn't matter if he was.
Speaker 4: I like Kyle. I get on very well with Kyle.
Speaker 4: He and I are friends. Yeah, yeah, you know, you've
Speaker 4: got to be careful. That probably was a sweeping statement,
Speaker 4: but yes, we're kind of friends. Am I having lunch
Speaker 4: with Kyle or something? Soon? We the to organize that.
Speaker 4: I like having lunch with it. I find him music
Speaker 4: and I find him also a very genuine bloke. I
Speaker 4: think if you were in trouble, you could turn to
Speaker 4: Kyle and he'd do his best. It mightn't be very good,
Speaker 4: but he'd do his best.
Speaker 1: I think so too.
Speaker 5: Yeah, have you had a long lunch with Kyle recently?
Speaker 4: I have prad a you?
Speaker 1: How long are the long lunches by the way?
Speaker 4: Nine or ten hours? God, jeez, that's a lie. Probably thirteen.
Speaker 5: Do you drink of these long lunches? You drinking these days?
Speaker 4: Am I?
Speaker 5: What drinking? Like? You have a wine drinking?
Speaker 4: Jesus is the Pope praying? Of course? Do you know?
Speaker 2: One thing that Kyle claims as he's big claim to
Speaker 2: fame is that his first radio gig was paneling your
Speaker 2: show in Townville or something.
Speaker 1: That's also my.
Speaker 2: Claim two PK in Parks when I was doing work experience,
Speaker 2: I had to make sure the ads for John Laws
Speaker 2: were playing in time all of that.
Speaker 4: So that was my two PK with Betty Muzzy Chuk,
Speaker 4: who don't you remember Betty? The Spicer family owned two
Speaker 4: PK oh Okay and the daughter or step daughter or
Speaker 4: daughter in law or somebody. Her name was Betty Muzzy
Speaker 4: Chuck and she ran the station when I was only
Speaker 4: there one night.
Speaker 1: I hated you worked at two pik.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I did one night for one night.
Speaker 1: What happened?
Speaker 4: They wouldn't let me smoke.
Speaker 5: In the studio.
Speaker 1: How long ago was that?
Speaker 4: Nineteen fifty four? Probably?
Speaker 1: Okay, do you still smoke or if you quit?
Speaker 4: Oh? No, I quit ages?
Speaker 1: Okay? Would you like to try a vape?
Speaker 4: That's bloody stupid looked on the vabes.
Speaker 1: No, I'm quitting.
Speaker 4: Is it difficult to quit?
Speaker 5: What?
Speaker 4: Why would you take up something that is difficult to quit? Well,
Speaker 4: I think for people, I'll tell you why. Yeah, because
Speaker 4: you're young and stupid.
Speaker 1: No, I can't argue with that. Actually that's completely fair.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I always tell people don't start them because
Speaker 2: they're way easier to get hooked on than cigarettes. There's
Speaker 2: no this tastes gross to overcome. They're just pleasant from
Speaker 2: the get go, So don't go there. It's always my advice.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Well, you're giving very good advice.
Speaker 1: Yeah, do as I say, not as I do.
Speaker 4: You're maturing at an early age. You're giving very good advice.
Speaker 4: Don't do it if it's going to be addictive and expensive.
Speaker 4: Good advice that includes marriage, unless you're very careful, Ah, John.
Speaker 5: I I was listening to your speech on the way
Speaker 5: here and I saw it live at the Kennedy Awards
Speaker 5: the other night, Lifetime Achievement Award, which congratulations. By the way,
Speaker 5: that's very exciting.
Speaker 4: Thank you.
Speaker 1: I just love my life.
Speaker 4: I haven't made the best, particularly I lost Ryan, but
Speaker 4: I also must my adorable Caroline, who was fifteen years
Speaker 4: old and she's gone.
Speaker 5: Out of my life.
Speaker 4: That makes me say. And in case of there's a
Speaker 4: kind of big indiference, and you are very very much.
Speaker 5: You said that you didn't intend to get into broadcasting,
Speaker 5: so I guess I want to know how did you
Speaker 5: fall into it?
Speaker 4: Well? I was a jackaroo in Wellington in central New
Speaker 4: South Wales and I love being a jackeroo. I love.
Speaker 4: I would love to be a jackaroo again, but I
Speaker 4: can't afford it. But I used to. I used to
Speaker 4: go to the Legacy Ball and the Bachelor's Ball and
Speaker 4: the Spinster's Ball, and they used to get me to
Speaker 4: do a commentary, you know, to introduce people as they
Speaker 4: came in the door. And there was a man there
Speaker 4: from a w A which we were at that time.
Speaker 4: I was a huge conglomerate of radio stations all over
Speaker 4: Australia and he heard me and he asked me, did
Speaker 4: I want to get into into radio? And I wasn't sure.
Speaker 4: But the man I was working for, a wonderful welsman
Speaker 4: by the name of Llewellyn Powell, he thought it would
Speaker 4: be a pretty good idea if I were to do that,
Speaker 4: it would get me off his property and get me
Speaker 4: somewhere else. So I just fell into it that way.
Speaker 1: And loved it, fell in love with it clearly. Yeah,
Speaker 1: how long have you been doing it now? Because I
Speaker 1: thought I could google sixty eight years eight far out?
Speaker 4: I think it's said sixty eight.
Speaker 1: Sixty eight?
Speaker 4: Yeah? Are you taking notes there? I chose you. It
Speaker 4: just shows you how involved that's the Mother Siberia. I'm
Speaker 4: doing a very important interview with two very important young
Speaker 4: men and she's doing a bloody crosswork.
Speaker 2: Jesus, it's so nice to put a face to the
Speaker 2: name the Mother Supirior I here referred to all.
Speaker 1: The time on the show.
Speaker 4: Are you impressed?
Speaker 2: I am, absolutely. She's pretty much what I envisioned.
Speaker 1: Actually, yeah, is she really? Yeah?
Speaker 5: Well, she gave us a talking to before we came in.
Speaker 5: She said, you're up to no good, you're going to
Speaker 5: be good, and we said, yeah, we'll be right, we're
Speaker 5: on our best behavior.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well that's the way to be.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 4: All right, So what else do you want to talk about?
Speaker 2: Well, I should have given you heads up before we
Speaker 2: started that on the podcast. I don't know if you're
Speaker 2: much of a swearer, but you're allowed to swear here?
Speaker 1: Do you swear much?
Speaker 4: Don't be fucking stupid? But that word has become almost
Speaker 4: acceptable now except around here is she hates it.
Speaker 1: The Mother Superior hates that.
Speaker 4: Doesn't like me swearing at all.
Speaker 2: Would the Mother Superior appreciate being described as a boss bitch?
Speaker 2: Because that's what I would think, the Mother Superior is
Speaker 2: a What a boss bitch?
Speaker 4: What's that mean?
Speaker 5: It's a wonderful term, don't worry, powerful woman.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but it's the word bitch there.
Speaker 1: It's a term of endearment.
Speaker 5: It's all about context, you know, back and empowering.
Speaker 4: Don't don't use that word.
Speaker 2: My apologies, I take it back, Mother Superior, take advance.
Speaker 2: Now sixty eight years you said, what's your advice for
Speaker 2: like Mitch to last that long in radio?
Speaker 5: It's been seven so far.
Speaker 4: My advice to Mitch give it away. Really yeah, get out,
Speaker 4: get a job as a salesman at Bunnings.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: No, no, I'll give you very good advice. Enjoy it.
Speaker 4: If you enjoy it, do it. If you don't enjoy it,
Speaker 4: don't do it. And be natural, don't bullshit. No change
Speaker 4: of voice, no change of attitude.
Speaker 5: Just got to be you authentic.
Speaker 4: Yeah that's well. I don't know how authentic you are,
Speaker 4: but yeah, just be yourself.
Speaker 5: In other words, now, what happened in the middle because
Speaker 5: you left for a bit, you had big retirement, you
Speaker 5: were out, and then you came back. Yeah, you missed
Speaker 5: it too much.
Speaker 4: I did miss it. I missed it greatly, and I
Speaker 4: got very bored with my own company, even though up
Speaker 4: until that time I'd been pretty good with my own company.
Speaker 4: I love reading, I love sitting by myself, I love thinking.
Speaker 4: But I did get bored. I did get bored, and
Speaker 4: I thought, you know, it would be fun to go
Speaker 4: and do it again. And it's more fun the second
Speaker 4: time around than it was the first time.
Speaker 5: Really yeah, fell back in love with it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, oh no, better.
Speaker 2: Now we like to play on our podcast some bits
Speaker 2: of gold that happened on talkback radio because we figured
Speaker 2: that our younger listeners might not be listening as often
Speaker 2: as we are, so.
Speaker 1: We're like, if anything good happens, we'll tell you.
Speaker 2: And you've come up many times, including the infamous Pike's
Speaker 2: Nursery incident.
Speaker 1: That call. I really want to hear from your point
Speaker 1: of view.
Speaker 2: What were you thinking? What were you feeling when that call?
Speaker 2: I just could not understand what you were saying.
Speaker 4: Well, I thought this is going to go on forever,
Speaker 4: but then I thought this could be very good radio.
Speaker 4: So I decided to stay with it, and she started
Speaker 4: to understand the humor. As we got towards the end
Speaker 4: of the conversation.
Speaker 1: You reckon that she was in on it too.
Speaker 4: After no, no, not in on it, But I think
Speaker 4: she started to understand the humor of it. She wasn't
Speaker 4: going along with a deliberate she was laughing at herself.
Speaker 4: It was a good call. It was a fun call.
Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely, And it lives on in our podcast as well.
Speaker 5: So at the start of every show, we play the audio.
Speaker 5: That's how we start our show every week.
Speaker 4: You didn't even ask it's on YouTube?
Speaker 1: Did you know that?
Speaker 4: I don't go to that. I think I can't work computers.
Speaker 2: Oh well, you're paddling your show right now, aren't you.
Speaker 2: You've got some sort of understanding.
Speaker 4: That's just a board that's got stuff on it, like
Speaker 4: Tom t or bit of music. Here, there you are.
Speaker 4: That's how simple it is.
Speaker 1: Well, who says you can't work at a computer? There
Speaker 1: you go?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Is it just when podcast by a couple of mitches.
Speaker 2: I don't suppose you're ever going to get to that
Speaker 2: stage where, like a lot of other radio studios, like
Speaker 2: a Kiss, you'll have cameras in.
Speaker 1: The room filming it.
Speaker 2: They never you don't want stuff on Facebook or.
Speaker 4: Of course I don't. Of course I don't. I do
Speaker 4: a radio program and I'm a radio broadcaster and that
Speaker 4: is the limit of my talent.
Speaker 5: Yeah, how else do you listen to? John? Do you
Speaker 5: have any other shows that you listen to? Or do
Speaker 5: you just?
Speaker 4: Do you know what I listened to as soon as
Speaker 4: I leave here, Yeah, midday or whenever I leave in
Speaker 4: ABC Classic. Really, I love classical music, and they pay
Speaker 4: a lot of light classical music. They play a lot
Speaker 4: of ballet music, and I love ballet music. I love
Speaker 4: the ballet. So there you are. That's surprised you.
Speaker 5: Have you ever podcasting?
Speaker 4: Have you ever?
Speaker 5: You know how to listen to podcasts? You into them?
Speaker 4: No, I don't know how to do that.
Speaker 5: You'd make a killing. Do you think a podcast by
Speaker 5: John Laws would be huge?
Speaker 2: Does he know that his show is podcasts and every
Speaker 2: day you actually can listen to it as a podcast
Speaker 2: and podcast you've got one?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know what it is even.
Speaker 2: You know how Netflix is TV shows on demand, podcasts
Speaker 2: or radio shows on demand. That's pretty much the basic
Speaker 2: way of explaining it. And that's what we are. Like.
Speaker 2: You can't tune in at a certain time twice, We're
Speaker 2: just there whenever you're like not live.
Speaker 4: No, well it can't be live. Are you bored now?
Speaker 1: No, not at all.
Speaker 5: I'm the slightest.
Speaker 4: I don't want to bore you.
Speaker 1: No, we're not bored, No, not at all.
Speaker 4: I'm loving this.
Speaker 1: You know another old that John used to have, Mitch
Speaker 1: am I right.
Speaker 2: In saying it used to be what we call a
Speaker 2: rouse about in a shearing shed.
Speaker 4: That's exactly what I was.
Speaker 5: Oh, what's a rouse about? In the shearing shed?
Speaker 4: You pick up the dregs and the shed off the
Speaker 4: tails of the lambs.
Speaker 5: And DAGs.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and you also, if you're lucky, you get to
Speaker 4: use the wool press a bit and pressing the wool.
Speaker 4: That's tough work, but it's great fun.
Speaker 5: How long did you do that job?
Speaker 4: For? Eighteen months?
Speaker 1: I wouldn't last the day.
Speaker 2: I was a farm boy, raised on a farm. Mom
Speaker 2: and dad used to always try and get me to
Speaker 2: help out with that stuff. But I was like, not
Speaker 2: for me. I was a bit too precious for that.
Speaker 2: Would that surprise you?
Speaker 4: I can tell you're a bit precious. I've detected that.
Speaker 2: But I was smart enough to realize if I do
Speaker 2: that job really badly, they'll stop asking for help.
Speaker 1: So I just kept stuffing up. It was fantastic.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but if you did it well, they'd keep asking
Speaker 4: you to do it. And they would have. But it
Speaker 4: would have been very good for you. All that wool
Speaker 4: press stuff was good. All that wool shared stuff was good.
Speaker 4: And the blokes, the shearers and the mates you'd make
Speaker 4: and the shearers cook so they could cook. They used
Speaker 4: to cook great stuff. Shepherd spie, cottage spie.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they would bring food to serve.
Speaker 2: Because I ended up when I was no good at
Speaker 2: the rouse about judies, I ended up serving morning tea
Speaker 2: like I was the one giving the food.
Speaker 1: So they would bring food.
Speaker 4: No, no, they'd cook it there. But yes, they'd bring
Speaker 4: the food with them. Oh they were good too. The
Speaker 4: shed of sharing cooks yeah great.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you had a way better sharing shed experience than me.
Speaker 1: It was hell on earth for me.
Speaker 5: Could you tell me she's a country boy? Why looking
Speaker 5: at him? Born and raised it? Where is it Parks? Yeah?
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, well it depends which part of the country.
Speaker 2: Have you heard of bogan Gate? It's just near Parks,
Speaker 2: That's where I'm from.
Speaker 1: You where bogan Gate.
Speaker 4: I've heard of. I've been to bogan Gate, haven't I?
Speaker 5: Have you been to bogan Gate? Is there a station
Speaker 5: in bogan Gate? Meet your radio station?
Speaker 1: Well, Parks is are like.
Speaker 4: No, no, no, no. But I when I went around Australia,
Speaker 4: I wasn't doing radio. I was just going around Australia.
Speaker 1: Yeah, blink and you'll miss it.
Speaker 4: That's It's a very good idea, you know, people. I
Speaker 4: remember my sister. As soon as she turned fifteen or something,
Speaker 4: all she talked about was going to England. She just
Speaker 4: wanted everybody wanted to go to England. Nobody by the
Speaker 4: day of a look at Australia, the greatest country in
Speaker 4: the world.
Speaker 2: I've always thought that, Like everyone's excited now that you know,
Speaker 2: international flights are a thing again after lockdown. But I
Speaker 2: would rather just travel Australia like all the ruined stuff
Speaker 2: like that.
Speaker 4: It's a good thing to do. It's a great country.
Speaker 5: Do you have a favorite city or you're a Sydney boy.
Speaker 5: You've always been a Sydney boy.
Speaker 4: I'd like if you settle into a place long enough,
Speaker 4: it becomes your favorite.
Speaker 5: Did you ever live overseas?
Speaker 4: Never lived overseas? No?
Speaker 2: I believe you were working in the US, though, weren't
Speaker 2: you when JFK was assassinating you reported on that?
Speaker 1: Am I right?
Speaker 4: Yes, that's that is quite right. A bear in mind,
Speaker 4: this is a long, long time ago.
Speaker 6: The President of the United States, John Kennedy, has been
Speaker 6: definitely it's killed by a rifle bullet. I'm in Hollywood,
Speaker 6: in California, and in a matter of ours, I've seen
Speaker 6: probably one of the most colorful cities in the world
Speaker 6: become a city in math morning. And this is just
Speaker 6: one city of an entire nation in mourning, grown men
Speaker 6: and women crying openly, almost proudly in the streets of Hollywood.
Speaker 6: All the entertainment has ceased. In Hollywood, the hub of
Speaker 6: the world, entertainment shops and offices and factories closed within
Speaker 6: a matter of millets of the announcement of the President's death.
Speaker 6: That's all I have for you now. So from the
Speaker 6: midst of this national tragedy that has left America lifeless
Speaker 6: and in sorrow, I return you to your.
Speaker 4: Studios and I say that, yeah, I remember today like
Speaker 4: it was yesterday that I've got to say, that was
Speaker 4: a good report I did. I went there to open
Speaker 4: the coaxial tables that came from the United States to Canada,
Speaker 4: actually to Australia. The Queen opened it, and I was
Speaker 4: the support act after the queen, Right, Yeah, how about
Speaker 4: that tough act to following.
Speaker 2: Have you ever in your career had a co host
Speaker 2: or has it always.
Speaker 1: Been the John Laws Show?
Speaker 4: The John Laws Show co host?
Speaker 1: Not for you. You wouldn't think that would work.
Speaker 4: Listen. If you're getting any ideas, forget it.
Speaker 5: No, God, no, he's got his resume in the bay.
Speaker 4: It's always been just me. Oh for a while, I
Speaker 4: did half an hour with I can't even remember a
Speaker 4: name now wonderful woman broadcaster. I can't remember a name.
Speaker 4: John Pearce used to work with her, and anyway, I
Speaker 4: can't think of it, and it doesn't matter because he's
Speaker 4: thoroughly did But for a while I did that and
Speaker 4: I loved it.
Speaker 5: Have they ever paired you up with anyone? Because in radio,
Speaker 5: especially commercial radio, they love to throw a co host
Speaker 5: just experiment. Yeah. Have they had a co host thrown
Speaker 5: at you? Or have they ever tried to squeeze someone
Speaker 5: in and say, John, we think you'd be good with
Speaker 5: this person.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they probably have, but I would have told her
Speaker 4: you get out.
Speaker 5: We get all the reality stars in commercial radio. They'll
Speaker 5: say to me, Oh, this person one Love Island Australia,
Speaker 5: they won Big Brother, get them on the show.
Speaker 4: Yeah, what for what?
Speaker 5: I say? They don't last.
Speaker 2: Do you watch any of those free to wear shows
Speaker 2: these days? Married at First Sight, Love Ireland? Those sorts
Speaker 2: of shows.
Speaker 4: You're kidding?
Speaker 1: Yeah, neither, not for me, It's not for us. What
Speaker 1: about music? Are there any new artists that are out
Speaker 1: and at the moment that you actually enjoy?
Speaker 4: I just love all music fair enough, As I said,
Speaker 4: I listened to as soon as I've finished here. I
Speaker 4: turned the radio on in the car to ABC Classic.
Speaker 4: I love classical music. I love Bruce Springsteen. At the
Speaker 4: moment I'm playing a lot of his stuff. I love
Speaker 4: my friend Roger Millet, I love Christopherson. I love music.
Speaker 4: I love music, Tom T. Hall. All those storytellers are great.
Speaker 1: Have you ever been a singer yourself?
Speaker 4: Yes, I've released seventeen albums? Really, yeah, where have you been?
Speaker 2: I don't suppose that you would be able to answer
Speaker 2: this question, but I do wonder if they're Spotify like
Speaker 2: I'd love to be able to stream.
Speaker 1: Them, these old albums.
Speaker 2: I'm what where would someone have to go to listen
Speaker 2: to these albums?
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 5: Here there we go, we've been handed them.
Speaker 1: Look at this, a couple of CDs.
Speaker 4: Picking them early men who rolled those? When long? You
Speaker 4: really got it?
Speaker 1: Me? You all and good?
Speaker 5: Look at you here with a den of jacket on.
Speaker 5: This is the Mind and the Music.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was called The Mind and the Music was
Speaker 4: because it was an album of poetry and I wrote
Speaker 4: all the music and I wrote all the words, so
Speaker 4: it was called the Mind and the Music.
Speaker 5: Look at this, all the women in the shorts. You've
Speaker 5: never been trucked like this before. I like that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I knew you'd like that. And I loved singing.
Speaker 4: I love singing. We had a lot of releases and
Speaker 4: did pretty well. Now put them down to can we keep.
Speaker 5: These and these for us?
Speaker 1: For all these Oh that's all right.
Speaker 5: Well you have to get them on Spotify, because there's
Speaker 5: a whole generation that have missed out on the musical
Speaker 5: talents of John Laws.
Speaker 4: I get it on what Spotify.
Speaker 5: Streaming, Spotify and iPhone. Get it on your phone.
Speaker 4: I got it there.
Speaker 1: Yes, you know, he doesn't care about everyone else listening.
Speaker 1: He can listen to himself. It's all good.
Speaker 2: Did they get many radio spins? Did you ever play
Speaker 2: your own music on the radio?
Speaker 4: Yeah, because nobody else had play?
Speaker 1: Yeah, why the hell not?
Speaker 2: I reckon there, you go write that down, Mitch Star
Speaker 2: putting out singles and just play them yourselves. We actually
Speaker 2: got mitched, you know how I said that we play
Speaker 2: things we hear on talkback and then we kind of
Speaker 2: take inspiration from them. We got Mitch to improvise a
Speaker 2: poem because we heard one of your poems go to air.
Speaker 2: It was about country people actually in small towns.
Speaker 4: A little town is where everybody knows what everybody else
Speaker 4: is doing, but they read the weekly newspaper just to
Speaker 4: see who got caught doing it. Oh that's a good
Speaker 4: story there.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And so I heard that and I played it on
Speaker 2: our podcast and said, Mitch, I think you should start
Speaker 2: doing poetry like this, and he improvised the whole thing
Speaker 2: about Britney Spears, the whole free Britney thing.
Speaker 5: Like I'd sing to music ideas, so it'd be like
Speaker 5: we knew you from a girl, young titan Que, but
Speaker 5: now look at you like an old haggard boot free Britney.
Speaker 5: Let her out of that cage, p Britney. It makes
Speaker 5: me filled with rage.
Speaker 1: Are you across the Britney Spears drama?
Speaker 4: I don't care what a drama?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Why don't they just leave her alone?
Speaker 5: I agree?
Speaker 1: Well they are now, so that's good.
Speaker 5: She's free. Britney's free now, which is all they wanted.
Speaker 1: I'm sure John really appreciates that update.
Speaker 4: What am I doing talking about Britney Spears.
Speaker 5: Well, this was a pleasure. I've really enjoyed this match.
Speaker 5: Anything you want to get off your chest with John, Well.
Speaker 1: I'm wondering if we should ask him the question we
Speaker 1: ask every guest.
Speaker 5: I think you can do that.
Speaker 2: Okay, So we like every guest that we have on
Speaker 2: the podcast, we like to ask them a small thing
Speaker 2: in life that they appreciate. Like Angela Bishop said her
Speaker 2: water bed, Jessica Malboy said sitting in the sun, being
Speaker 2: barefoot in a garden. That was one of her small
Speaker 2: life pleasures. The reason I'm reluctant to ask it is
Speaker 2: because we call it our list of Things Better than
Speaker 2: drugs and dick, which is basically a psa to young
Speaker 2: people that there's more to life than boys and partying.
Speaker 4: No, there's not.
Speaker 5: No one's ever said that.
Speaker 1: I'll put that on the list.
Speaker 4: Is that it?
Speaker 5: Yeah, if you want, Yeah, we're good.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm happy to sit here a bit longer if
Speaker 4: you wanted to talking about anything else.
Speaker 5: Now we're done.
Speaker 4: I'm good.
Speaker 5: Thank you for being here. It was a pleasure.
Speaker 4: Are you bored now? No, we can stay here all day,
Speaker 4: like he'll, thank you very much for coming to visit me.
Speaker 4: It was very nice for you to do that.
Speaker 1: Thank you for having this.
Speaker 5: There was a pleasure. You're a legend. It was great
Speaker 5: to be in your presence and in the studio.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's good. Studio.
Speaker 1: It's a big studio. Have you seen the Kiss FM
Speaker 1: broom closet studio? Like? This is the next level.
Speaker 5: Has Kyle been in here? Because if he were to
Speaker 5: see this, renovations would start at Kiss tomorrow. Kyle Studio
Speaker 5: is a quarter the size of this.
Speaker 4: Well, so it should be Yeah, car to the Talentah,
Speaker 4: is that it? You finish?
Speaker 3: Now?
Speaker 4: You're bored?
Speaker 6: Now?
Speaker 2: No, I'm not ordinal and you've got a long lunch
Speaker 2: to get to, haven't you have?
Speaker 4: I with a lot of people. What have you got
Speaker 4: on your own?
Speaker 1: Oh? It says art pop? You are you familiar with
Speaker 1: art pop?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 1: It's a Lady Gaga album.
Speaker 4: No, I like Lady Gaga, do you yeah? Do you
Speaker 4: know why I like Lady Gaga?
Speaker 2: Well, I would suspect that you'd be a fan of
Speaker 2: some of the classical stuff she puts out. She's got
Speaker 2: jazz albums as well as the pop stuff.
Speaker 4: But also I like her because one of my favorite
Speaker 4: people in the world likes Tony Bennett. Yeah, and Tony
Speaker 4: Bennett likes Lady Gaga. And Tony Bennett is a gentleman
Speaker 4: beyond belief and sings like nobody else.
Speaker 2: And that new album they put out recently is up
Speaker 2: for like a gazillion Grammys. So when they team up,
Speaker 2: magic happens.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Do you know something, we're starting to get boring. People
Speaker 4: listening aren't going to give a stuff about Tony Bennett
Speaker 4: and Lady Gaga. I'm going now, all right.
Speaker 5: Then, it was a pleasure to have you on. Great
Speaker 5: to meet you.
Speaker 4: You didn't have me on. I had you.
Speaker 5: You're that again, Yeah, a pleasure to be here.
Speaker 4: Well, it's been a pleasure to have you here. And
Speaker 4: anytime you feel like dropping by again, you're quite welcome.
Speaker 4: The door will always be open.
Speaker 1: Oh, thank you, John.
Speaker 4: That's a pleasure. You're You're you're all right. Looks.
Speaker 1: Thanks, that's a glowing review i've ever heard. Thank you, John.
Speaker 4: Thanks Johns.
Speaker 2: I got to say I'm going to go to my
Speaker 2: grave saying that one of the best things that's ever
Speaker 2: happened to me was being called young and stupid by
Speaker 2: John Laws.
Speaker 1: Yep, and he said, yes, you're a bit precious.
Speaker 2: I detected that that was a while, but what a treat.
Speaker 5: I think he's the only guest I've ever had in
Speaker 5: the history of ever to end his own interview. We're
Speaker 5: done now, Yeah, he ended it himself.
Speaker 2: But then when we're like, you know, let's go, he goes,
Speaker 2: what's that on your arm?
Speaker 1: I feel that he was enjoying.
Speaker 5: I tend to agree.
Speaker 1: I also love how he kept saying you bored.
Speaker 6: You bored.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he's definitely like I said, that's.
Speaker 2: Him stirring exactly, and that mother Superior, his personal assistant,
Speaker 2: came up to us afterwards and said that.
Speaker 1: Went really well. John doesn't usually respond that well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the fact he thought that was bad, imagine how
Speaker 2: many shock and interviews he's done before this.
Speaker 5: If that was good, which we won't name who was
Speaker 5: there before us, but we were told from the team
Speaker 5: that they had an interview with a very well known
Speaker 5: publication before.
Speaker 1: The advocate Janny said he couldn't stand them.
Speaker 5: Well they're satirical.
Speaker 1: We're not satirical at all.
Speaker 5: No, we haven't joke. No, not show.
Speaker 1: It's a serious on my good Christian show.
Speaker 5: Well there you go. Yeah, fucking idiot. What a Christmas
Speaker 5: gift that was.
Speaker 1: I feel that Mitchell's rose is kicked in.
Speaker 5: It has and I woke up at three am today
Speaker 5: and it's almost three pm. It's twelve hours on the clock.
Speaker 5: My brain is cooked.
Speaker 1: Let's reflect on that though. John Laws says that there's
Speaker 1: nothing better than drugs and dick, So.
Speaker 5: That is to me a win. If we can take
Speaker 5: anything from his podcast, we get on the podcast now
Speaker 5: never return, and that could be our what's the word
Speaker 5: I'm thinking of, legacy?
Speaker 1: Legacy. I also love that he told you to stop
Speaker 1: being a fake bitch. That was his advice. He goes,
Speaker 1: you're no bullshit, be authentic and be a salesman at Bunnings.
Speaker 5: Yeah, maybe be a salesman at Bunnings.
Speaker 2: Anyway, Thank you, John Laws. We may or may not
Speaker 2: abuse that invitation. The door's always open, he says, He'll.
Speaker 1: Take that right back. I'm gonna start every day being like, hello.
Speaker 5: Hi, John, you said the door is always open. We
Speaker 5: noticed it wasn't so just opening it is? It just me?
Speaker 1: A podcast by a couple of miches.
Speaker 5: Make sure you've hit follow on your podcast.