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Speaker 1: Well, Territorians from Darwin to Alice Tenant to Catherine Nolan

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Speaker 1: Boy to non Beloir and everywhere in between, celebrated Territory

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Speaker 1: Day yesterday. It is always a massive night well, a

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Speaker 1: great time to celebrate what is wonderful about being a

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Speaker 1: Territorian and living in the territory. Now joining me in

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Speaker 1: the studio right now is the Opposition leader Leofanocchiaro.

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Speaker 2: Good morning to you and Katie and to all your listeners,

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Speaker 2: and happy Territory Day for yesterday.

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Speaker 3: Why did you get up to?

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Speaker 1: Oh?

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Speaker 4: I love Territory Day.

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Speaker 2: So I went down to Mindle Beach and spoke to

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Speaker 2: the stillholders down there. Obviously it's been a tumultuous few

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Speaker 2: weeks where people thought fireworks weren't going to go ahead

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Speaker 2: at Mindle Beach, So chatting to stellholders, they were very

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Speaker 2: relieved to be down there, and I know people had

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Speaker 2: a really good time.

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Speaker 4: And then Yah sat down with the kids and let.

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Speaker 2: A few of those little buzzy bees off And that's

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Speaker 2: about as game as I get.

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Speaker 1: I'm a bit of a skidy cat when it comes

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Speaker 1: to letting off firecrackers and I'm pretty disappointing actually to

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Speaker 1: understand that there was people actually throwing fireworks at others,

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Speaker 1: which is incredibly disappointing. Very I mean, leah r crackers,

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Speaker 4: They're not only safe, they'll be bigger and better.

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Speaker 2: I love Territory Day, and what I want to see

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Speaker 2: if we get the opportunity to govern come August is

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Speaker 2: a lot more education and awareness about what Territory Day is.

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Speaker 4: When I'm out.

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Speaker 2: At schools and talking to kids, I always teach them

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Speaker 2: about self government and how the territory for the last

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Speaker 2: forty six years has governed itself and prior to that

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Speaker 2: we didn't. We got told what to do by people

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Speaker 2: Territory Day is that we should all be letting off

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Speaker 2: to see a much bigger education component come with much

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Speaker 1: All right now, I want to talk to you about

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Speaker 1: some of the really interesting stuff that's happened and continues

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Speaker 3: In what I would say some pretty interesting news.

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Speaker 1: This morning, the Labor Party has now announced that it's

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Speaker 1: going to match one of the colp's primary policy platforms.

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Speaker 1: The Chief Minister Evil Aula said, the re elected Labor

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Speaker 1: government's going to establish a sixty thousand dollars first time

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Speaker 1: build a grant for territory residents who sign on to

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Speaker 1: What do you make of the announcement after highlighting this

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Speaker 1: as a major policy platform back in May.

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Speaker 2: I think it shows what we have is a government

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Speaker 2: that is tired, divided and out of ideas. And Katie,

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Speaker 2: people say that, you know, the greatest form of flattery

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Speaker 2: is when someone copies you. But ultimately, this is a

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Speaker 2: strategy by Labor to win the next election seven weeks out.

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Speaker 2: It is not a strategy for the territory to rebuild

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Speaker 2: the territory. And so the colp's policy is very very clear.

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Speaker 2: This is about making sure that territories can afford to

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Speaker 4: It's about making.

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Speaker 2: Sure that people can get into existing homes if they

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Speaker 2: and that's what our policy does.

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Speaker 3: They've sort of tried to one up you here.

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Speaker 1: I mean, from what I can gather, the COLP committed

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Speaker 3: It to sixty thousand.

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Speaker 2: We're very comfortable with our plans because this is a

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Speaker 2: population attraction strategy now. Interestingly, we made this announcement as

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Speaker 2: I don't know what Territorians would call today, but ours

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Speaker 4: This is a about keeping people here.

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Speaker 2: Remembering that we lost eight hundred and sixty eight territories

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Speaker 2: We need to be moving people through the different sized

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Speaker 1: How do you feel when you sort of like when

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Speaker 1: you do come out with these policy platforms like in

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Speaker 1: MAYU came out. It was quite an extensive policy platform

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Speaker 1: and at the time the Labor Party almost scoffed at

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Speaker 2: Well, it just shows how out of ideas and devoid

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Speaker 4: Our plan is very clear.

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Speaker 2: We need to rebuild the territory, reduce crime and restore

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Speaker 2: our lifestyle and our building scheme targets territories to stay

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Speaker 2: here and people to come. Our businesses are dependent on

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Speaker 4: We don't.

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Speaker 2: We have retail spending flatlining. So population growth is a

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Speaker 2: Labor have had eight years, we've been had a labor

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Speaker 2: government for nineteen of the last twenty three years. Evil

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Speaker 2: Laula delivered her budget back in May. It didn't have

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Speaker 2: everything that they are promising in this next seven weeks

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Speaker 2: is all on top of the eleven billion dollars debt

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Speaker 1: I mean, the problem here is that whether it's you

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Speaker 4: No, we can't afford it.

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Speaker 2: You can afford it under a CLP government that is

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Speaker 2: reprioritizing Labour's budget which is wasteful, and making sure that

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Speaker 1: All Right, this morning, the Sea is actually going to

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Speaker 1: under a one million dollar commitment.

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Speaker 3: To tell me a little bit more about.

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Speaker 2: This, This is very exciting, so I will be announcing

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Speaker 2: announcing that we will put one million dollars, which is

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Speaker 2: for fifty thousand dollars dollar for dollar grants to improve

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Speaker 2: multicultural events. And we will be fast tracking land release

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Speaker 2: for those new multicultural groups that don't have their own home.

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Speaker 3: So why have you decided to make this announcement?

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Speaker 2: I mean, is it a vote grap This is really

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Speaker 2: When you are a migrant, and my grandparents migrated here

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Speaker 2: along with many territorians, will have this shared story. You're

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Speaker 2: so you find family in the people around you who've

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Speaker 2: their traditions, their food, their language, their dance. It keeps

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Speaker 2: social cohesion, harmony and making sure that we are a

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Speaker 3: All right, I want to move along.

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Speaker 1: You're calling on the Chief Minister to release the second

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Speaker 1: Eyekak report into the concerns staffers within the Chief Minister's

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Speaker 1: Office engaged in political work for Labor during the twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty election. So this is under the former Chief Minister,

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Speaker 1: Michael Gunner. When is that report Jue?

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Speaker 3: Do you know?

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Speaker 2: Well, we believe it was Jue over the weekend and

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Speaker 2: so we've heard nothing. Obviously there is change and certainty

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Speaker 2: Operation Jupiter report into Michael Gunner's chartering of flights to

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Speaker 2: to be this secret report on whether or not staff

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Speaker 2: were campaigning from Parliament House on the taxpayer's dollar and

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Speaker 2: so in the interest of open and transparent government, that

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Speaker 2: report needs to be made public and Evil Laula needs

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Speaker 2: to explain to territories whether she's received it.

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Speaker 1: Ah the changes that the Chief Minister Evia Laula announced

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Speaker 1: in the wake of the initial report enough.

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Speaker 2: Oh, look, I think they go a long way to

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Speaker 3: What about for you guys as well?

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Speaker 4: I think it's always been really clear Katie.

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Speaker 2: You can't campaign using government resources, and it's pretty simple.

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Speaker 2: You can't be supporting candidates, you can't be running material

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Speaker 2: and all of these types of things. It's very obvious

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Speaker 2: Labor clearly needed to relearn the rules and recast the guidelines,

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Speaker 2: which we support. That's fine, We've got no problem following

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Speaker 2: the rules. But this is a secret report that no

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Speaker 2: one knows the status of and it needs to have

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Speaker 1: So for our listeners, what happens now if say you

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Speaker 1: want to go to Tenant Creek in the lead into

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Speaker 3: That's exactly what they should be doing to speed to it.

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Speaker 4: They should be doing the same thing.

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Speaker 2: But what we saw is clearly that in the past

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Speaker 2: the taxpayer has paid for that.

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Speaker 1: So any travel that you do now in the lead

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Speaker 1: into the Northern Territory election, the COLP is going to

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Speaker 2: So when you are traveling for a campaign purpose then yeah,

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Speaker 2: absolutely the party has to pay for that. So for example,

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Speaker 2: the YK made it very clear during caretaker there should

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Speaker 2: be no travel, so we've all committed to that. If

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Speaker 2: there was to be travel, then absolutely the political parties

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Speaker 1: Last week, the Member for Catherine, Joe Hersey, joined me

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Speaker 1: on the show to talk about the situation.

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Speaker 3: With crime in Catherine.

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Speaker 1: She says things have escalated to the point that there

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Speaker 1: are not enough police in Catherine.

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Speaker 3: She's all so called for a curfew. Do you agree, Oh?

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, you know Catherine is totally out of control. The

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Speaker 2: pretend that they were taking action on crime, but they haven't,

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Speaker 2: and every territory knows that life is not safer under labor.

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Speaker 2: They're not willing to give police the powers they need

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Speaker 2: I mean, last week we had the Police Association come

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Speaker 2: And even the graduation last Friday, and I was there, Katie,

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Speaker 1: Yes, So this is a real sticking point for me

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they're going and that they're going to hit the beat.

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Speaker 1: So was that confirmed at that graduation on Friday.

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Speaker 2: They didn't go into that level of detail, but they

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Speaker 2: my understanding is thirty three of them remain at the college.

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Speaker 2: I believe they missed about three weeks of training, which

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Speaker 2: of which my understanding was they had a fantastic policing experience.

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Speaker 2: I mean, of course, if you've put up your hand

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Speaker 2: but they've really been robbed of an experience where they've

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Speaker 3: They hold another graduation for them, or what's going to happen?

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Speaker 2: I believe they're going to hold a separate awards service

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Speaker 1: I mean, is this a situation where where the police

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Speaker 1: you know, it's an operational thing where those recruits have

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Speaker 3: I don't know the recruits.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely I believe had to and would have done it anyway.

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Speaker 2: There's no question they've put up their hand to serve

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Speaker 1: Them all right, Well, look, I know when it comes

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Speaker 1: That is fundamentally that is what they want. But look,

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Speaker 1: I do want to move along because there's been quite

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Speaker 1: The judge, though, did go through some of the prior offending.

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Speaker 3: People being on bail.

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Speaker 2: Yes, what did you make of h Well, look, justice

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Speaker 2: I'm glad that this has all now been resolved. To know,

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Speaker 2: had reviews and outcomes that haven't delivered, wanding laws that

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Speaker 2: just don't work for our police, and so we've been

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Speaker 2: very clear that bail is not a right, you know,

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Speaker 2: it's a privilege, and that's why we will change the

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Speaker 4: We will make sure that the.

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Speaker 2: Age of criminal responsibility is lowered so that young people

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Speaker 2: sure that wanding laws are made much more flexible for

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Speaker 2: need to. There's a range of laws that we're going

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Speaker 2: to change week one in Parliament Katie, if we win,

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Speaker 1: Do you believe that any of those changes would have

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Speaker 2: Well, we will never know, Katie. They may very well

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Speaker 2: have if the laws were stronger. You just don't know.

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Speaker 2: But what we know is that nothing is going to

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Speaker 2: their lives in senseless crime. What we can do, though,

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Speaker 3: First.

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Speaker 2: We are going to give police the power they need

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Speaker 2: to keep us safe. We are going to deliver consequences.

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Speaker 2: We are going to rehabilitate offenders, and we're going to

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Speaker 1: I mean, is the talk and is what you're saying though,

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Speaker 1: just sort of a strategy to appear as though you're

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Speaker 2: Been talking about changing the laws for eight years, Katie.

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Speaker 2: This is not a tough on crime approach. It's a

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Speaker 2: people are too scared to live here. John John's is

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Speaker 2: closing its doors because of crime. Beauty Bar closed its

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Speaker 2: doors because of crime. Char closed its doors because of crime.

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Speaker 2: Eight hundred and sixty eight people are moved into state

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Speaker 2: first quarter of this year. It's a crisis and we

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Speaker 2: have to do something different.

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Speaker 1: Okay, we've got a couple of listener questions, Luke wanting

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Speaker 2: Look, so we looked at stamp duty and what we

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Speaker 2: found is it's much more advantageous to the homeowner and

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Speaker 2: landed on that decision. Fifty thousand for a new build

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Speaker 2: there's been a bit of lack of clarity around what

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Speaker 1: Alright, Lea, we are going to have to leave it there.

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Speaker 1: Thanks very much for your time. We'll catch up with

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Speaker 1: you again soon.

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Speaker 4: Thank you everyone,