1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:03,480 Speaker 1: Have been speaking about the tragic situation in our CBD 2 00:00:03,640 --> 00:00:06,680 Speaker 1: where a man was stabbed on Friday night. 3 00:00:06,760 --> 00:00:08,039 Speaker 2: But we also know that. 4 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:11,559 Speaker 1: Two teenagers have been arrested over the alleged assault of 5 00:00:11,640 --> 00:00:15,760 Speaker 1: two boys at the Palmerston Bustepo on Friday. Now, it 6 00:00:15,840 --> 00:00:18,720 Speaker 1: is alleged that two seventeen year old boys attacked a 7 00:00:18,760 --> 00:00:22,440 Speaker 1: sixteen year old and an eighteen year old, which resulted 8 00:00:22,480 --> 00:00:25,560 Speaker 1: in the older boy going to hospital with head injuries. 9 00:00:26,040 --> 00:00:28,880 Speaker 1: The pair were arrested after the incident the other pair 10 00:00:29,440 --> 00:00:33,040 Speaker 1: and are expected to be charged over that incident. Now 11 00:00:33,120 --> 00:00:36,199 Speaker 1: joining me on the line is the local member for Blaine, 12 00:00:36,320 --> 00:00:38,640 Speaker 1: Mark Turner. Good morning to you, Mark. 13 00:00:39,479 --> 00:00:41,200 Speaker 3: Good morning Katie Mark. 14 00:00:41,760 --> 00:00:44,639 Speaker 1: What can you tell us that you know about the incident? 15 00:00:44,760 --> 00:00:49,080 Speaker 1: I understand well, my understanding is that some of these 16 00:00:49,159 --> 00:00:51,440 Speaker 1: kids were school students, and I know that it had 17 00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:55,760 Speaker 1: just sent absolute chills through the spines of a lot 18 00:00:55,800 --> 00:00:58,960 Speaker 1: of parents out in Palmerston on Friday last week. 19 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:03,200 Speaker 4: That's the frustrating thing with this, And it's not the 20 00:01:03,200 --> 00:01:09,160 Speaker 4: first time you know this one because of the email 21 00:01:09,240 --> 00:01:12,440 Speaker 4: that got sent out that has made the public eye. 22 00:01:13,080 --> 00:01:16,600 Speaker 4: But I've had people in my elector office fairly regularly 23 00:01:16,600 --> 00:01:17,800 Speaker 4: who parents. 24 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:20,560 Speaker 3: Are scared about putting their kids. 25 00:01:20,360 --> 00:01:23,360 Speaker 4: To the bus exchange, and it's not fair because they're 26 00:01:23,400 --> 00:01:26,399 Speaker 4: sort of stuck in a bind that they can't get 27 00:01:26,440 --> 00:01:29,080 Speaker 4: out of. But God's get to work, and cost of 28 00:01:29,120 --> 00:01:31,839 Speaker 4: living is going up. There's no release relief and cost 29 00:01:31,880 --> 00:01:36,559 Speaker 4: of living pressures. And you'd think, of our biggest bus 30 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:38,640 Speaker 4: exchange in the fastest growing area in. 31 00:01:38,600 --> 00:01:41,000 Speaker 3: The territory, it be said to leave your children, but 32 00:01:41,080 --> 00:01:41,520 Speaker 3: it isn't. 33 00:01:42,800 --> 00:01:45,199 Speaker 1: It's a pretty sad state of affairs, isn't it, Because 34 00:01:45,240 --> 00:01:47,200 Speaker 1: as you've just touched on there, and I think that 35 00:01:47,240 --> 00:01:49,960 Speaker 1: you're spot on. You know, you've got families that live 36 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:52,720 Speaker 1: in Palmerston that want to be able to let their 37 00:01:52,800 --> 00:01:56,040 Speaker 1: kids go and catch the bus and be at that interchange. 38 00:01:56,080 --> 00:01:59,160 Speaker 1: But then when something like this occurs, like what happened 39 00:01:59,160 --> 00:02:02,280 Speaker 1: on Friday, you really would be questioning whether it is 40 00:02:02,400 --> 00:02:04,680 Speaker 1: okay to drop your kids there or for them to 41 00:02:04,720 --> 00:02:06,000 Speaker 1: walk there and get on a bus. 42 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:11,000 Speaker 4: That's it, and you feel for the kids that have 43 00:02:11,040 --> 00:02:14,680 Speaker 4: been affected by this, And the other problem the parents 44 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:19,160 Speaker 4: are having is it's kids come home and their mummy, daddy, 45 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:21,600 Speaker 4: I saw this happen, and then you're trying to explain 46 00:02:21,680 --> 00:02:23,680 Speaker 4: to them why somebody was seeing someone else over the 47 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:27,160 Speaker 4: head for the star picket. And the worst thing about 48 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:32,720 Speaker 4: it for me is that we've been so desensitized to it. 49 00:02:32,720 --> 00:02:35,320 Speaker 4: It's not normal and it doesn't have to be like. 50 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:38,400 Speaker 2: This your spot on It's really not normal. 51 00:02:38,520 --> 00:02:41,120 Speaker 1: And I know, even for me in this studio, market's 52 00:02:41,120 --> 00:02:44,320 Speaker 1: reach the point where, you know, there's so many Mondays 53 00:02:44,320 --> 00:02:46,080 Speaker 1: where I've wanted to get on air and talk about 54 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:48,120 Speaker 1: some of the wonderful events that have happened over the 55 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:50,239 Speaker 1: course of the weekend. But then you've got these other 56 00:02:50,320 --> 00:02:53,960 Speaker 1: shocking incidents that have occurred that you can't ignore, you 57 00:02:54,040 --> 00:02:56,680 Speaker 1: can't not talk about them. 58 00:02:56,800 --> 00:03:00,520 Speaker 4: Well, this is what makes me so angry. The the 59 00:03:00,639 --> 00:03:02,400 Speaker 4: territory is the best place. 60 00:03:02,160 --> 00:03:05,519 Speaker 3: In the world. I'm not going anywhere. I love it here. 61 00:03:06,120 --> 00:03:08,519 Speaker 4: And I was having a chat with my neighbors last 62 00:03:08,600 --> 00:03:12,880 Speaker 4: night who've just moved back up from down South because 63 00:03:12,919 --> 00:03:16,840 Speaker 4: they love it. But this is a problem that is 64 00:03:16,960 --> 00:03:20,959 Speaker 4: not difficult to fix. And I've been banging my head 65 00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:24,800 Speaker 4: against a brick call for a long time. How I 66 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:27,680 Speaker 4: thought running for Parliament would give me a way to 67 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:30,000 Speaker 4: fix it, But I found a different brick call to 68 00:03:30,040 --> 00:03:34,960 Speaker 4: bang the head against. We've got the ability to do this. 69 00:03:35,160 --> 00:03:36,640 Speaker 4: We just need to work smart. 70 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:36,880 Speaker 3: Not hard. 71 00:03:37,240 --> 00:03:39,040 Speaker 2: What do you think needs to change? 72 00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:41,000 Speaker 1: I mean, I know that you've been on social media 73 00:03:41,240 --> 00:03:44,400 Speaker 1: and really supported those calls at Keasyer Pur It's been 74 00:03:45,040 --> 00:03:47,200 Speaker 1: banging on about for quite some time as well with 75 00:03:48,520 --> 00:03:52,440 Speaker 1: constables in our schools, So school based constables. I mean, 76 00:03:52,600 --> 00:03:55,240 Speaker 1: like you've just said there, you think it's easy to fix. 77 00:03:55,760 --> 00:03:56,840 Speaker 1: What should we be doing? 78 00:03:58,360 --> 00:04:02,839 Speaker 4: Do you think we've got Well, we need to fix 79 00:04:02,880 --> 00:04:08,440 Speaker 4: our broken police force first and hopefully we're heading in 80 00:04:08,440 --> 00:04:11,840 Speaker 4: a better direction to what we were twelve months ago. 81 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:15,600 Speaker 4: You think I went to the election campaigning on a 82 00:04:15,720 --> 00:04:19,640 Speaker 4: territory labor platform where it was we brought back school 83 00:04:19,640 --> 00:04:23,120 Speaker 4: based constables, we were going to have strike force arians, 84 00:04:23,160 --> 00:04:28,880 Speaker 4: tackle use property crime, intensive rehabilitation programs for repeat offenders, 85 00:04:29,520 --> 00:04:33,400 Speaker 4: and it's just not happened. You can look at other 86 00:04:33,440 --> 00:04:36,719 Speaker 4: places in the world which have got larger population sizes 87 00:04:36,760 --> 00:04:40,440 Speaker 4: than US. Canada is a good example, have the issues 88 00:04:40,440 --> 00:04:44,000 Speaker 4: around colonization at exactly at the same time, yet they're 89 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:49,040 Speaker 4: not experiencing the levels of violence that we are. This 90 00:04:49,080 --> 00:04:54,360 Speaker 4: is a very specific Northern Australian problem. It needs proactive 91 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:58,040 Speaker 4: solutions and just trying to lift models from down South 92 00:04:58,080 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 4: and bring them. 93 00:04:58,560 --> 00:04:59,760 Speaker 3: Up here, is repeated them. 94 00:04:59,760 --> 00:05:03,000 Speaker 4: Fai that you talk to the rank and file, whether 95 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:07,240 Speaker 4: it's police officers, corrections, nurses, teachers, they'll. 96 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:08,800 Speaker 3: Tell you how to fix it. 97 00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:11,719 Speaker 4: It's just having the intestinal fortitude to do it. 98 00:05:13,040 --> 00:05:13,839 Speaker 2: So you reckon that. 99 00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:17,320 Speaker 1: Realistically, all the Labor Party actually needs to do and 100 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:19,400 Speaker 1: all the government actually needs to do is what they 101 00:05:19,400 --> 00:05:20,960 Speaker 1: promised they would when they were elected. 102 00:05:22,400 --> 00:05:24,919 Speaker 3: Yeah, and it doesn't make you sound like a politician, it. 103 00:05:29,400 --> 00:05:33,000 Speaker 4: Is. There is so much evidence basis out there that 104 00:05:33,800 --> 00:05:35,839 Speaker 4: offending is reduced by the. 105 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:36,840 Speaker 3: Fear of apprehension. 106 00:05:38,440 --> 00:05:41,400 Speaker 4: You know, the CLP talk about mandatory sentencing a lot, 107 00:05:42,520 --> 00:05:45,760 Speaker 4: and it is because we have an issue with community 108 00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:49,760 Speaker 4: perception of the court sentencing ability. But they keep trying 109 00:05:49,760 --> 00:05:53,520 Speaker 4: to pull the conversation back because at that stage we've 110 00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:54,760 Speaker 4: already had the victims of. 111 00:05:54,720 --> 00:05:58,400 Speaker 3: Crime and we want no victims of crime. People don't 112 00:05:58,440 --> 00:05:59,480 Speaker 3: want people locked up. 113 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:02,839 Speaker 4: They want my oldies in the seniors village not to 114 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:04,839 Speaker 4: be worried that they're going to be victims of crime. 115 00:06:06,400 --> 00:06:11,080 Speaker 4: If we have that fear of apprehension, then people are 116 00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:12,839 Speaker 4: a lot less likely to commit the crime in the 117 00:06:12,839 --> 00:06:16,760 Speaker 4: first place, and that's where proactive policing is so important. 118 00:06:17,800 --> 00:06:24,720 Speaker 4: If we have cops down at the markets wandering around 119 00:06:24,760 --> 00:06:27,680 Speaker 4: on foot patrol, and we used to have this territory, 120 00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:32,320 Speaker 4: do you think city safe on a Friday night has 121 00:06:32,360 --> 00:06:35,520 Speaker 4: all but disappeared. So they're the hard questions that we've 122 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:37,080 Speaker 4: got to look at. 123 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:39,360 Speaker 2: And so you do think as well. 124 00:06:39,880 --> 00:06:42,160 Speaker 1: You know that the calls by Keasier to get those 125 00:06:42,200 --> 00:06:45,279 Speaker 1: constables back into the schools, you'd think that that is 126 00:06:45,320 --> 00:06:47,320 Speaker 1: a step in the right direction, because I know that 127 00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:51,960 Speaker 1: when we did interview the new Northern Territory Police Commissioner, 128 00:06:51,960 --> 00:06:54,560 Speaker 1: Michael Murphy, he didn't rule it out when I'd spoken 129 00:06:54,560 --> 00:06:56,159 Speaker 1: to him about it, and did say that it was 130 00:06:56,200 --> 00:06:58,159 Speaker 1: something that that have a closer look back into. 131 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:03,080 Speaker 4: Whoever's the police commissioner is damned if they do, damned 132 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:06,560 Speaker 4: if they don't. At the moment, we're struggling to get 133 00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:10,520 Speaker 4: bums on seats in vans to deal with the reactive policing, 134 00:07:10,640 --> 00:07:13,440 Speaker 4: and it's why I went on such a wall path 135 00:07:13,520 --> 00:07:17,040 Speaker 4: over having some sort of electronic rostering so that we. 136 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:18,680 Speaker 3: Could see where our resources were. 137 00:07:18,760 --> 00:07:21,960 Speaker 4: The Police Minister's not lying when she says there's record 138 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:25,040 Speaker 4: budgets being given to police, but it's all. 139 00:07:24,880 --> 00:07:26,760 Speaker 3: Going out of door in overtime from cops. 140 00:07:26,600 --> 00:07:32,480 Speaker 4: Working double or triple shifts. It's that holistic approach. 141 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:35,280 Speaker 3: To go, we have a problem here at this time. 142 00:07:35,080 --> 00:07:36,880 Speaker 4: So this is where we're going to put our resources. 143 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:41,600 Speaker 4: Whereas at the moment, gd's cops any spare time they get, 144 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:44,640 Speaker 4: they're trying to attend to their investigations that they've picked 145 00:07:44,680 --> 00:07:46,480 Speaker 4: up and they just don't have that's better. 146 00:07:48,040 --> 00:07:51,440 Speaker 1: Look, I have just been sent as well, you know, 147 00:07:51,560 --> 00:07:55,160 Speaker 1: the email that has been posted on social media of 148 00:07:55,200 --> 00:07:57,200 Speaker 1: what had occurred on Friday, just to sort of take 149 00:07:57,280 --> 00:08:01,400 Speaker 1: us back to that initial initial starting point of our discussion, 150 00:08:01,440 --> 00:08:04,200 Speaker 1: and it says, dear staff, this morning, one of our 151 00:08:04,280 --> 00:08:07,480 Speaker 1: year twelve students was assaulted at Palmerston bus depot and 152 00:08:07,640 --> 00:08:10,800 Speaker 1: is in hospital. A number of our students witnesses and 153 00:08:10,880 --> 00:08:13,800 Speaker 1: came and let them know, and came and let staff 154 00:08:13,880 --> 00:08:17,400 Speaker 1: know when they got to school. They've been given the 155 00:08:17,440 --> 00:08:21,800 Speaker 1: names of some student witnesses to provide support. As there 156 00:08:21,840 --> 00:08:24,120 Speaker 1: are a large number of students the bus at the 157 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:27,240 Speaker 1: bus stop, there may be more need for that support. 158 00:08:28,040 --> 00:08:31,080 Speaker 1: It sounds like it was horrendous what had gone on 159 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:33,320 Speaker 1: on Friday. If you've got a situation now where the 160 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:35,400 Speaker 1: school is saying that all those students are going to 161 00:08:35,480 --> 00:08:36,120 Speaker 1: need support. 162 00:08:37,840 --> 00:08:40,800 Speaker 4: Okay, so you've only got to look at the footage. 163 00:08:41,040 --> 00:08:43,040 Speaker 4: You know made myself. 164 00:08:42,840 --> 00:08:45,200 Speaker 3: Sound old, but well, you didn't have camera phones when 165 00:08:45,200 --> 00:08:45,720 Speaker 3: I was a kid. 166 00:08:46,880 --> 00:08:49,360 Speaker 4: If you look at the footage that circulates on social 167 00:08:49,400 --> 00:08:52,880 Speaker 4: media of the punch ups that are going on either 168 00:08:52,920 --> 00:08:57,559 Speaker 4: the schools or the bus exchange, you they're really scary, 169 00:08:57,880 --> 00:09:00,800 Speaker 4: especially when you think you've got a range of ages 170 00:09:00,800 --> 00:09:01,840 Speaker 4: of children down there. 171 00:09:01,920 --> 00:09:04,559 Speaker 3: So this incident involved. 172 00:09:04,160 --> 00:09:07,080 Speaker 4: Young people who are very nearly adults. But at the 173 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:11,319 Speaker 4: same time you've got kids down there who were seven 174 00:09:11,400 --> 00:09:15,080 Speaker 4: years old, eight years old waiting for the school bus 175 00:09:16,520 --> 00:09:19,400 Speaker 4: and they're terrified. You know, how do you process that 176 00:09:19,440 --> 00:09:22,360 Speaker 4: at that age, especially when mom and dad aren't there. 177 00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:26,200 Speaker 1: Spot on, Well, Mark, before I let you go this morning, look, 178 00:09:26,200 --> 00:09:28,760 Speaker 1: I know we've already had someone message through. In fact, 179 00:09:28,920 --> 00:09:31,000 Speaker 1: before you'd even come on here this morning, somebody had 180 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:33,880 Speaker 1: messaged through and said, what is Mark Turner up to 181 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:36,760 Speaker 1: in terms of the political parties? He's staying with Labor 182 00:09:36,840 --> 00:09:38,040 Speaker 1: or is he going independent? 183 00:09:39,400 --> 00:09:39,559 Speaker 4: Oh? 184 00:09:39,640 --> 00:09:40,360 Speaker 3: They booted me. 185 00:09:41,320 --> 00:09:44,280 Speaker 4: So after it was. 186 00:09:44,200 --> 00:09:45,679 Speaker 3: A very odd one. Because they left it a while. 187 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:50,960 Speaker 4: When we had the vote on police mental health, I 188 00:09:51,080 --> 00:09:53,200 Speaker 4: voted for an inquiry into police mental health. 189 00:09:53,520 --> 00:09:55,120 Speaker 3: I think it was a no brainer. 190 00:09:57,080 --> 00:10:01,840 Speaker 4: The rest of the government didn't and the Labor Party 191 00:10:01,840 --> 00:10:04,600 Speaker 4: couldn't officially kick me out over that because they. 192 00:10:04,520 --> 00:10:06,480 Speaker 3: Didn't talk to me. You're involving the decisions. 193 00:10:06,960 --> 00:10:09,040 Speaker 4: But they tried to use a loophole to not renew 194 00:10:09,080 --> 00:10:12,280 Speaker 4: my membership, and you know that's up to them if 195 00:10:12,360 --> 00:10:13,400 Speaker 4: that's what they want to do. 196 00:10:13,640 --> 00:10:15,959 Speaker 2: And so where is it at from that perspective? Are 197 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:16,520 Speaker 2: you like? 198 00:10:16,960 --> 00:10:19,160 Speaker 1: Because I thought you I thought you had said that 199 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:22,720 Speaker 1: you were seeking sort of legal advice. So where's it 200 00:10:22,760 --> 00:10:23,880 Speaker 1: at from your perspectives? 201 00:10:25,360 --> 00:10:28,120 Speaker 4: We're in a very mature phase of They've just not 202 00:10:28,280 --> 00:10:29,400 Speaker 4: answered my email, wasn't it. 203 00:10:31,120 --> 00:10:32,520 Speaker 3: So they. 204 00:10:34,679 --> 00:10:40,240 Speaker 4: Took a membership, I refunded me some money into a 205 00:10:40,280 --> 00:10:44,000 Speaker 4: bank account, and then didn't answer my emails. So I'm 206 00:10:44,040 --> 00:10:47,920 Speaker 4: going to have to carry on trying to talk to 207 00:10:48,800 --> 00:10:51,640 Speaker 4: the national section of the party and say that we've 208 00:10:51,640 --> 00:10:53,640 Speaker 4: got these rules in place for a reason, and if 209 00:10:53,679 --> 00:10:57,160 Speaker 4: you're just going to ignore them, honestly, what is the 210 00:10:57,200 --> 00:11:01,040 Speaker 4: point of being in a political party so much? 211 00:11:01,080 --> 00:11:03,360 Speaker 1: From your perspective, what are your blocked Do you think 212 00:11:03,360 --> 00:11:05,800 Speaker 1: that you do you still want to stay within the 213 00:11:05,840 --> 00:11:08,160 Speaker 1: Labor Party or will you run as an independent at 214 00:11:08,160 --> 00:11:08,880 Speaker 1: the next election. 215 00:11:10,400 --> 00:11:12,800 Speaker 4: I've said to everybody it depends what the community wants. 216 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:16,160 Speaker 4: And I got into this because I'm one of the 217 00:11:16,200 --> 00:11:19,440 Speaker 4: few police that lives in the electorate that I represent 218 00:11:20,160 --> 00:11:22,960 Speaker 4: and if my community you want me to run as 219 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:26,160 Speaker 4: an independent, run an independent. I just think the current 220 00:11:26,240 --> 00:11:29,720 Speaker 4: leadership of the Labor Party is so disconnected and lost 221 00:11:29,760 --> 00:11:32,480 Speaker 4: its way at the moment that somebody needs to turn 222 00:11:32,480 --> 00:11:35,520 Speaker 4: around and go enough enough. But it doesn't look like 223 00:11:35,600 --> 00:11:39,240 Speaker 4: that's going to happen. But after putting up that post 224 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:42,080 Speaker 4: of police, Minister's blocked me on social media. 225 00:11:42,200 --> 00:11:45,680 Speaker 3: So I don't think they're friends with me at the moment. 226 00:11:45,920 --> 00:11:47,160 Speaker 2: No, it doesn't sound like it. 227 00:11:47,280 --> 00:11:49,720 Speaker 1: But so you that you do think that somebody within 228 00:11:49,760 --> 00:11:52,160 Speaker 1: the party, I one of the caucus members or somebody 229 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:54,440 Speaker 1: needs to stand up to the Chief Minister. And so 230 00:11:54,520 --> 00:11:56,120 Speaker 1: we've got to We've got to sort this out. 231 00:11:57,400 --> 00:12:02,679 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's it's it's the whole fair wear and tear debarcle. 232 00:12:03,520 --> 00:12:04,600 Speaker 3: Territory is a small place. 233 00:12:04,720 --> 00:12:10,280 Speaker 4: Everybody knows everybody. You can't mug people off for one 234 00:12:10,360 --> 00:12:13,199 Speaker 4: of a better turn of phrase, and I think it's 235 00:12:13,240 --> 00:12:15,959 Speaker 4: refreshing that we're getting authentic people put their hand up. 236 00:12:17,360 --> 00:12:19,840 Speaker 4: Like I heard you on the show talking Sam Western 237 00:12:19,840 --> 00:12:23,480 Speaker 4: earlier on. You know that's going to change things. And 238 00:12:23,520 --> 00:12:28,440 Speaker 4: if people hear politicians having the courage to just address 239 00:12:28,480 --> 00:12:33,080 Speaker 4: issues and answer questions, talk like a normal human being 240 00:12:33,080 --> 00:12:36,800 Speaker 4: and not use you know, the bizarre double speak, then 241 00:12:37,120 --> 00:12:39,760 Speaker 4: they'll get interested as well. But at the moment there's 242 00:12:39,800 --> 00:12:41,120 Speaker 4: so much disengagement. 243 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:43,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, people have had a guts. 244 00:12:43,160 --> 00:12:47,360 Speaker 4: Whole politicals been talking about that. If you a little 245 00:12:47,360 --> 00:12:49,720 Speaker 4: public service announcement, If you want to vote in the 246 00:12:49,760 --> 00:12:53,840 Speaker 4: referendum and you're not enrolled, that closes tonight as well. 247 00:12:53,960 --> 00:12:55,720 Speaker 4: So if you're listening and you want to vote and 248 00:12:55,760 --> 00:12:59,240 Speaker 4: you're not enrolled, go to the AEC website and your 249 00:12:59,240 --> 00:13:02,160 Speaker 4: listeners can make or they're enrolled and update the details. Well. 250 00:13:02,200 --> 00:13:04,800 Speaker 1: Mark Turner, the Member for Blaine, good to speak with 251 00:13:04,880 --> 00:13:07,360 Speaker 1: you this morning. I appreciate your time and no doubt 252 00:13:07,400 --> 00:13:08,440 Speaker 1: we'll talk to you again soon. 253 00:13:09,640 --> 00:13:11,200 Speaker 3: Cheers, Katie, Thank you, thanks 254 00:13:11,240 --> 00:13:11,720 Speaker 2: For your time.