1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,960 Speaker 1: Joining me on the line right now is the Independent 2 00:00:03,080 --> 00:00:05,560 Speaker 1: Member for god A Kesiapuric. Good morning, Kezier. 3 00:00:06,600 --> 00:00:08,240 Speaker 2: Hey, good morning Katie Kensey. 4 00:00:08,320 --> 00:00:10,640 Speaker 1: I'm not sure if you've had much of a chance 5 00:00:10,720 --> 00:00:13,600 Speaker 1: to see what Robbie Catter and the Catter Australia Party 6 00:00:13,640 --> 00:00:16,239 Speaker 1: are pushing for in queens but they're calling for young 7 00:00:16,280 --> 00:00:20,520 Speaker 1: offenders to be forcibly relocated to outback detention camps for 8 00:00:20,640 --> 00:00:24,520 Speaker 1: intensive rehabilitation under a proposal that they put forward on Monday. 9 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:29,840 Speaker 1: It's called the Queensland Relocation Sentencing Proposal, alongside a report 10 00:00:29,880 --> 00:00:34,320 Speaker 1: outlining how that proposal would work. It'd be a mandatory 11 00:00:34,360 --> 00:00:38,000 Speaker 1: program and it would see repeat youth offenders housed in 12 00:00:38,040 --> 00:00:41,120 Speaker 1: demountable buildings where they'd be tasked with things like cooking, 13 00:00:41,200 --> 00:00:44,360 Speaker 1: cleaning and vocational training. What do you reckon about this. 14 00:00:45,240 --> 00:00:47,440 Speaker 2: Well, it's to me it sounds like I have read 15 00:00:47,479 --> 00:00:49,760 Speaker 2: some of it on the media. To me, it sounds 16 00:00:49,760 --> 00:00:52,199 Speaker 2: like common sense and yes, what the problem is I 17 00:00:52,280 --> 00:00:54,400 Speaker 2: think with some of the programs in the territory is 18 00:00:54,440 --> 00:00:58,000 Speaker 2: they're voluntary. They cannot be made to embark on a 19 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:00,480 Speaker 2: particular journey to try and make a better life for themselves. 20 00:01:00,560 --> 00:01:02,800 Speaker 2: So I think the Catawe, I think it's like six 21 00:01:02,840 --> 00:01:04,959 Speaker 2: months or twelve months, depending on the youth and depending 22 00:01:04,959 --> 00:01:07,520 Speaker 2: on the circumstances. But a lot of the time we 23 00:01:07,600 --> 00:01:10,800 Speaker 2: find with these young people who fall into bad ways 24 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:13,640 Speaker 2: is their education is very low. It's very poor. Their 25 00:01:13,640 --> 00:01:17,200 Speaker 2: skills are very poor and low. So this proposal is 26 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:20,840 Speaker 2: making this person a better person by providing an education, 27 00:01:20,959 --> 00:01:23,880 Speaker 2: providing a pathway forward, giving them skills. Whatever the skills 28 00:01:23,880 --> 00:01:26,840 Speaker 2: may be, whether it be hospitality, kind of cooking skills, 29 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:29,840 Speaker 2: or whether it be trades, electrical, you know, carpentry, whatever, 30 00:01:30,520 --> 00:01:33,040 Speaker 2: that can't be a bad thing. I mean, you have 31 00:01:33,120 --> 00:01:35,280 Speaker 2: to look at the full detail, like you can't take 32 00:01:35,319 --> 00:01:36,520 Speaker 2: a child would be like some of your kid the 33 00:01:36,520 --> 00:01:39,240 Speaker 2: boarding school and having no contact. You know, the child 34 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:41,360 Speaker 2: would still have to have contact with his family or 35 00:01:41,400 --> 00:01:44,200 Speaker 2: his loved ones or something of that nature. You know, 36 00:01:44,240 --> 00:01:47,080 Speaker 2: that have to be visitation programs because you want the 37 00:01:47,160 --> 00:01:49,240 Speaker 2: child or the young person to thrive in the environment. 38 00:01:49,240 --> 00:01:51,480 Speaker 2: You don't want the person to go backwards. So it's 39 00:01:51,480 --> 00:01:53,120 Speaker 2: probably got a lot of merit. And I'm sure that 40 00:01:53,480 --> 00:01:56,320 Speaker 2: the CATA party they've looked at it completely. They looked 41 00:01:56,360 --> 00:01:58,280 Speaker 2: at it Tholien and maybe we should be looking at 42 00:01:58,280 --> 00:01:59,720 Speaker 2: it as well to see if there's ways that we 43 00:01:59,760 --> 00:02:02,560 Speaker 2: could learned from it and perhaps make a model adopting 44 00:02:02,600 --> 00:02:04,120 Speaker 2: some of what they're supposed to do, because we've got 45 00:02:04,120 --> 00:02:06,680 Speaker 2: plenty of places in the territory. There's plenty of places 46 00:02:06,680 --> 00:02:09,600 Speaker 2: that could be set up without too much cost, that 47 00:02:09,680 --> 00:02:11,839 Speaker 2: could have commin at this kind of youth that has 48 00:02:11,880 --> 00:02:15,480 Speaker 2: just fallen into bad ways and they're struggling to stay 49 00:02:15,480 --> 00:02:16,040 Speaker 2: out of trouble. 50 00:02:16,440 --> 00:02:19,040 Speaker 1: I reckon, there'll be people in the community that absolutely 51 00:02:19,200 --> 00:02:22,200 Speaker 1: agree with you this morning, Keys here and look, you know, 52 00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:25,800 Speaker 1: still sort of on this topic, but more so to 53 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:28,240 Speaker 1: the other issues of crime that we have experienced in 54 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:31,960 Speaker 1: the Northern Territory. We spoke yesterday to the Opposition leader 55 00:02:32,040 --> 00:02:36,160 Speaker 1: Lea Fanocchio once again about that petition that's got twenty 56 00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:40,359 Speaker 1: six thousand signatures and how that debate is going to 57 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:43,200 Speaker 1: roll out in Parliament next week. Take a bit of 58 00:02:43,200 --> 00:02:45,280 Speaker 1: a listen to what she had to say on the 59 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:48,919 Speaker 1: show yesterday, Leah. Last Friday, on the week that was 60 00:02:48,960 --> 00:02:51,440 Speaker 1: when Jared Mayley had spoken about this, we did actually 61 00:02:51,480 --> 00:02:54,200 Speaker 1: have somebody message through and said Katie, if the CLP 62 00:02:54,360 --> 00:02:57,240 Speaker 1: is so passionate about this why didn't they or why 63 00:02:57,240 --> 00:03:00,680 Speaker 1: aren't they going to move for an MP for this 64 00:03:00,760 --> 00:03:03,720 Speaker 1: to be able to happen. Well, we can go one further, Katie, 65 00:03:03,760 --> 00:03:07,000 Speaker 1: and that's an excellent suggestion obviously by your listener. And 66 00:03:07,080 --> 00:03:09,160 Speaker 1: the reason we hadn't done that is because Kezia had 67 00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:12,480 Speaker 1: flags she would which we obviously would support. But we 68 00:03:12,520 --> 00:03:15,799 Speaker 1: are very concerned that government are continuing to restrict this 69 00:03:15,880 --> 00:03:18,560 Speaker 1: to a sixty minute debate at a time no one knows, 70 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:21,200 Speaker 1: which means no one can be there. So first thing 71 00:03:21,200 --> 00:03:24,480 Speaker 1: on Tuesday morning, at ten am next Tuesday, I will 72 00:03:24,520 --> 00:03:28,000 Speaker 1: stand up and suspend the rules of the Parliament, or 73 00:03:28,040 --> 00:03:30,320 Speaker 1: try to suspend the rules of the Parliament so that 74 00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:33,680 Speaker 1: we can bring on the debate for the petition and 75 00:03:33,760 --> 00:03:36,200 Speaker 1: that that debate be unlimited. 76 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:38,280 Speaker 3: And that is what I will do at ten o'clock 77 00:03:38,320 --> 00:03:41,560 Speaker 3: on Tuesday morning. It requires the support of government and 78 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:44,560 Speaker 3: we are seeking their support to make sure that Territorians 79 00:03:44,640 --> 00:03:47,160 Speaker 3: can be in the gallery, Samara Lavity can be in 80 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:50,480 Speaker 3: the gallery and people can transparently and openly hear a 81 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:52,800 Speaker 3: debate on a critical issue to all of us. 82 00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:55,600 Speaker 1: Kiz do you think that this is a good idea 83 00:03:55,760 --> 00:03:58,920 Speaker 1: or do you think we are setting the Lavity family 84 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:01,800 Speaker 1: up for pointment here and that the government's going to 85 00:04:01,880 --> 00:04:02,600 Speaker 1: knock that back. 86 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:07,400 Speaker 2: Well, it's a government knocks it back up. First of all, 87 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:09,760 Speaker 2: I think it's a good idea. Yes, this is at 88 00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:12,880 Speaker 2: the forefront. What happened to the young Levity fellow and 89 00:04:12,920 --> 00:04:15,800 Speaker 2: his family is at the forefront of people's minds and 90 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:18,680 Speaker 2: their conversations. I talk people talk about it all the time. 91 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:21,120 Speaker 2: To me, in any conversation it comes up in some 92 00:04:21,240 --> 00:04:25,160 Speaker 2: way or another. Suspending standing orders, yes, is the right 93 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:27,599 Speaker 2: way to go. I mean, we've gone through White sixteen minutes. 94 00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:30,599 Speaker 2: It just is sixteen minutes. Having the debate longer gives 95 00:04:30,640 --> 00:04:34,000 Speaker 2: more opportunity for other members to have a say about 96 00:04:34,040 --> 00:04:37,120 Speaker 2: something that impacts on their community related to this subject matter, 97 00:04:37,160 --> 00:04:39,599 Speaker 2: and that is crime and bail laws or lack of 98 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:42,840 Speaker 2: bail laws. So by signaling to the government that they 99 00:04:42,880 --> 00:04:45,840 Speaker 2: want to suspend standing orders first thing on the day, 100 00:04:46,240 --> 00:04:47,640 Speaker 2: I don't think that's a bad thing. I think it's 101 00:04:47,640 --> 00:04:48,960 Speaker 2: a good thing and the government should be looking at 102 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:51,680 Speaker 2: it seriously. If the government not giving us any indication 103 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:53,880 Speaker 2: when this debate is going to be coming on on 104 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:56,760 Speaker 2: the Tuesday or might be Tuesday afternoon. Well what's that time? 105 00:04:56,880 --> 00:04:59,280 Speaker 2: It meant four o'clock, five o'clock, you know, and they 106 00:04:59,320 --> 00:05:03,560 Speaker 2: haven't indicated the sad support along the debate. So from 107 00:05:03,600 --> 00:05:05,640 Speaker 2: what Lea just said, then not only does she want 108 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:07,320 Speaker 2: to move the rule book and just have it first 109 00:05:07,320 --> 00:05:09,560 Speaker 2: thing on Tuesday, but also to have the debate until 110 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:13,200 Speaker 2: it's exhausted, which again allows all members to have a say, 111 00:05:13,279 --> 00:05:15,479 Speaker 2: to have a decent say. Some members, like I know 112 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:18,559 Speaker 2: sometimes I miss out on saying something because shut down debate. 113 00:05:18,600 --> 00:05:20,800 Speaker 2: I know, the membership market has been missed out on 114 00:05:20,839 --> 00:05:22,760 Speaker 2: saying something because the government's gone and close the debate, 115 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:25,680 Speaker 2: you know, moved the motion put et cetera. So they 116 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:28,719 Speaker 2: really need to come out and show as a government 117 00:05:29,320 --> 00:05:32,520 Speaker 2: not only are they caring and sympathetic towards the family, 118 00:05:32,520 --> 00:05:34,160 Speaker 2: the Lovety family and all the other families that have 119 00:05:34,240 --> 00:05:37,080 Speaker 2: lost loved ones through these knife attacks and killings, is 120 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:39,760 Speaker 2: that they are taking it seriously. Now, if the government 121 00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:43,080 Speaker 2: can't commit to something on the first day, what the 122 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:45,479 Speaker 2: hell are they doing in government? You know, we really 123 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:48,560 Speaker 2: need to have this debate and for people to express 124 00:05:48,600 --> 00:05:50,960 Speaker 2: their feelings, to bring forward like I can bring forward, 125 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:55,719 Speaker 2: not me personally, but now bring forward personal stories of 126 00:05:55,320 --> 00:05:58,200 Speaker 2: how people have been affected by crime, how people are 127 00:05:58,320 --> 00:06:01,880 Speaker 2: fearful sometimes, you know, regards to going to some shopping centers, 128 00:06:01,960 --> 00:06:04,679 Speaker 2: you know in the Darwen City areas. So you know, government, 129 00:06:04,839 --> 00:06:07,400 Speaker 2: you know, look at it very very carefully because come 130 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:10,640 Speaker 2: August next year, you're gone ski Because this is what 131 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:14,760 Speaker 2: is utmost on everyone's mind and in their hearts, is 132 00:06:14,760 --> 00:06:16,920 Speaker 2: what's going on with our pounds in regards to youth 133 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:18,360 Speaker 2: crime and life attack. 134 00:06:18,440 --> 00:06:21,720 Speaker 1: Now teasier if they don't, if they don't allow Lea 135 00:06:21,839 --> 00:06:24,120 Speaker 1: to go through that process, and if they do stick 136 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:27,760 Speaker 1: with this sixteen minute debate, you are going to move 137 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:30,440 Speaker 1: the Well you're going to do what's required on the MPI, 138 00:06:30,560 --> 00:06:31,839 Speaker 1: aren't you. When would that happen? 139 00:06:31,920 --> 00:06:34,560 Speaker 2: That's correct. I'm looking to do it on the Tuesday. 140 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:37,839 Speaker 2: So if missus Lavitty is coming to town on Tuesday 141 00:06:37,920 --> 00:06:40,479 Speaker 2: in the anticipation of hearing that debate about the petition, 142 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:42,599 Speaker 2: well I think it's only proper that we try and 143 00:06:42,839 --> 00:06:46,120 Speaker 2: do the MPI on the Tuesday as well, to ensure 144 00:06:46,160 --> 00:06:48,000 Speaker 2: that you know, the members who do want to speak, 145 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:50,320 Speaker 2: apart from myself in opposition, I know a keeing, but 146 00:06:50,360 --> 00:06:52,360 Speaker 2: to hear what the government says, you know, the government 147 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:55,320 Speaker 2: should be responding to any MPI because it's a matter 148 00:06:55,320 --> 00:06:57,680 Speaker 2: of public importance. And in my time in Parliament, the 149 00:06:57,720 --> 00:07:00,320 Speaker 2: fifteen sixteen years i've been here, I can't think of 150 00:07:00,360 --> 00:07:03,000 Speaker 2: any matter that has been as important as the one 151 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:05,719 Speaker 2: that is being proposed for next week. You know, the 152 00:07:05,839 --> 00:07:08,520 Speaker 2: level and the nastiness of our crime it is really 153 00:07:08,640 --> 00:07:12,200 Speaker 2: decimating sections of our community and causing so much heartbreak. 154 00:07:12,400 --> 00:07:15,320 Speaker 2: You know, the government needs to have a really, really hard, 155 00:07:15,400 --> 00:07:18,080 Speaker 2: long look at what's been proposed next week in Parliament 156 00:07:18,120 --> 00:07:20,520 Speaker 2: because if they say no, we're not going to suspend 157 00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:22,240 Speaker 2: standing orders and we're not going to debate it, and 158 00:07:22,240 --> 00:07:24,520 Speaker 2: we're not going to change in sixteen minutes, but we'll 159 00:07:24,520 --> 00:07:27,760 Speaker 2: talk about it sometime in the afternoon when question time 160 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:30,560 Speaker 2: is from two to three, and then after that then 161 00:07:30,600 --> 00:07:32,400 Speaker 2: what we're going to go into the petition Then we 162 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:35,560 Speaker 2: will need to be people need some kind of forward 163 00:07:35,640 --> 00:07:38,200 Speaker 2: advice so they can plan their speech, they can plan 164 00:07:38,600 --> 00:07:40,680 Speaker 2: what they're going to say. They might want to, you know, 165 00:07:41,200 --> 00:07:43,080 Speaker 2: ask someone to come in and watch them speak, but 166 00:07:43,080 --> 00:07:45,440 Speaker 2: that's really hard to organize. If the government doesn't give 167 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:46,040 Speaker 2: an indication. 168 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:48,040 Speaker 1: Do you think that we're not what are they afraid 169 00:07:48,080 --> 00:07:51,040 Speaker 1: of Well, do you think that they're afraid that they're 170 00:07:51,040 --> 00:07:53,320 Speaker 1: going to end up with Territorians on the steps of 171 00:07:53,400 --> 00:07:56,480 Speaker 1: Parliament House rallying. Do you think that they're afraid that 172 00:07:56,480 --> 00:07:58,720 Speaker 1: that's what's going to happen? If they say exactly when 173 00:07:58,800 --> 00:07:59,400 Speaker 1: this is going. 174 00:07:59,240 --> 00:08:02,280 Speaker 2: To happen, well why not? What's wrong with it? 175 00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:02,720 Speaker 1: Exactly? 176 00:08:02,840 --> 00:08:05,880 Speaker 2: Democracies it's the Parliament is for the people. It doesn't 177 00:08:05,880 --> 00:08:07,920 Speaker 2: belong to government, it doesn't belong to the opposition. It 178 00:08:08,040 --> 00:08:10,360 Speaker 2: is of a parliament. You know. Governments come and go, 179 00:08:10,520 --> 00:08:13,680 Speaker 2: Parliament lives on forever, you know, and people are generally, 180 00:08:13,880 --> 00:08:16,640 Speaker 2: I've found respectful when they sit in the galleries. They 181 00:08:16,720 --> 00:08:19,000 Speaker 2: might let out a grun to a groan or whatever, 182 00:08:19,320 --> 00:08:21,200 Speaker 2: and if there's a problem, well the speaker then can 183 00:08:21,240 --> 00:08:23,680 Speaker 2: remove that person from the gallery. But I think this 184 00:08:23,760 --> 00:08:27,440 Speaker 2: matter is so serious that people will be respectful that 185 00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:30,600 Speaker 2: Parliament has rules and if people don't afride by their rules, 186 00:08:30,600 --> 00:08:32,760 Speaker 2: well then they get removed. But I think most people, 187 00:08:33,160 --> 00:08:35,760 Speaker 2: ninety nine point nine percent of them are very genuine 188 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:38,120 Speaker 2: about wanting to be respectful to the Parliament and what 189 00:08:38,160 --> 00:08:40,439 Speaker 2: it does. So don't be scared of people. Yes, that's 190 00:08:40,440 --> 00:08:42,880 Speaker 2: what we're there for We're there to represent people and 191 00:08:42,920 --> 00:08:45,720 Speaker 2: to hear what their concerns out where. Whether they're a 192 00:08:45,760 --> 00:08:48,840 Speaker 2: real concern or not is not. The issue is their concern. 193 00:08:49,280 --> 00:08:53,120 Speaker 2: They're upset, their heartbreak. So the government really needs to say, 194 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:55,880 Speaker 2: come out, you know what we're in our Thursday, no Wednesday, 195 00:08:56,240 --> 00:08:59,240 Speaker 2: come out and say, yes, we're listening to the people. 196 00:08:59,320 --> 00:09:01,800 Speaker 2: Yes we've taken on board the opposition's comments. Yes, I'm 197 00:09:01,800 --> 00:09:03,920 Speaker 2: taking on board the men for good as comments, and 198 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:05,760 Speaker 2: this is what and how we're going to do it. 199 00:09:06,160 --> 00:09:09,360 Speaker 2: But I can't understand their hesitation. And that's what's annoying people. 200 00:09:09,720 --> 00:09:13,960 Speaker 2: It's their hesitation to commit to a time frame just 201 00:09:13,960 --> 00:09:16,880 Speaker 2: because the oppositions, you know, may made the suggestion that's 202 00:09:16,920 --> 00:09:19,840 Speaker 2: not a bad thing. You know, everything that government comes 203 00:09:19,880 --> 00:09:22,120 Speaker 2: up with is not necessarily good, and everything the opposition 204 00:09:22,160 --> 00:09:24,760 Speaker 2: comes up it's not necessarily bad. So try and meet 205 00:09:24,760 --> 00:09:27,520 Speaker 2: in the middle somewhere. But that we can, we can 206 00:09:27,559 --> 00:09:30,600 Speaker 2: address this issue. And because I'm sure missus Levity is 207 00:09:31,080 --> 00:09:35,719 Speaker 2: and the rest of our family are going to want 208 00:09:35,760 --> 00:09:37,959 Speaker 2: to know and hear other people's stories and it might 209 00:09:37,960 --> 00:09:40,280 Speaker 2: bring them some comfort, they're never going to be fully 210 00:09:40,280 --> 00:09:42,839 Speaker 2: comforted in life. They've lost their son, but it might 211 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:45,840 Speaker 2: just give them some comfort knowing that the government and 212 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:47,600 Speaker 2: people are taking the matter seriously. 213 00:09:48,080 --> 00:09:50,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree with you, Keysier. I think that they're 214 00:09:50,880 --> 00:09:54,640 Speaker 1: you know, it's it's a spot on what you're saying. 215 00:09:55,240 --> 00:09:57,360 Speaker 1: We are going to have to leave it there, Keyesy Epiric, 216 00:09:57,400 --> 00:09:59,719 Speaker 1: I always appreciate your time. Thanks so much for having 217 00:09:59,720 --> 00:10:00,800 Speaker 1: a cha with us. 218 00:10:01,360 --> 00:10:02,480 Speaker 2: Noe Katie, thank you.