1 00:00:06,040 --> 00:00:09,160 Speaker 1: Hello, this is the Happy Families Podcast. Every Tuesday on 2 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:11,600 Speaker 1: the pod, we answer your tricky questions. There's been a 3 00:00:11,600 --> 00:00:13,960 Speaker 1: lot of news, a lot of conversation, and a lot 4 00:00:13,960 --> 00:00:17,120 Speaker 1: of questions lately about homework today, what do you do 5 00:00:17,280 --> 00:00:20,200 Speaker 1: with a nine year old who's just uninspired doesn't want 6 00:00:20,239 --> 00:00:22,720 Speaker 1: to do homework. Oh We're going to cut this one 7 00:00:22,760 --> 00:00:26,120 Speaker 1: in half though, because there is brand new, fresh news 8 00:00:26,200 --> 00:00:28,400 Speaker 1: out of the United States where Meta has been taken 9 00:00:28,440 --> 00:00:32,800 Speaker 1: to court their products Instagram and Facebook allegedly cause addiction 10 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:36,240 Speaker 1: and terrible mental health in young people. It's been tested 11 00:00:36,240 --> 00:00:39,200 Speaker 1: in the courts and we have a verdict much faster, 12 00:00:39,320 --> 00:00:43,360 Speaker 1: much earlier than I anticipated. It's very interesting and this 13 00:00:43,640 --> 00:00:47,159 Speaker 1: matters for every parent. We're going to discuss both in 14 00:00:47,200 --> 00:00:53,479 Speaker 1: today's episode of the Happy Families Podcast. Next, this is 15 00:00:53,479 --> 00:00:56,600 Speaker 1: the Happy Families podcast. Hello and welcome Real parenting Solutions 16 00:00:56,640 --> 00:00:59,680 Speaker 1: every single day. It's Australia's most downloaded parenting podcast where 17 00:00:59,760 --> 00:01:03,560 Speaker 1: Justice and Kylie Carson. Every Tuesday on the pod, we 18 00:01:03,800 --> 00:01:10,720 Speaker 1: answer your tricky questions about anything, screens, discipline, bedtimes, food, 19 00:01:11,760 --> 00:01:13,520 Speaker 1: just you name it. If you're struggling with it with kids, 20 00:01:13,520 --> 00:01:16,240 Speaker 1: getting on the same page as your partner us is anything. 21 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:17,720 Speaker 1: We will talk to you about how to make your 22 00:01:17,720 --> 00:01:20,760 Speaker 1: family happy at But first before we get into today's question, 23 00:01:21,080 --> 00:01:23,120 Speaker 1: we have breaking news. 24 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:27,480 Speaker 2: I didn't think we'd be talking about Meta for a 25 00:01:27,520 --> 00:01:30,640 Speaker 2: while now, but what's happening? 26 00:01:30,840 --> 00:01:33,080 Speaker 1: Okay, So basically, about a month ago, a month and 27 00:01:33,120 --> 00:01:35,920 Speaker 1: a half ago, we discussed on the podcast that Meta 28 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:38,520 Speaker 1: had been taken to court Mark Zuckerberg was going to 29 00:01:38,520 --> 00:01:42,120 Speaker 1: be on trial. During that court case in California, the 30 00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:44,840 Speaker 1: CEO or the managing director or whoever it was of 31 00:01:45,319 --> 00:01:48,200 Speaker 1: Instagram basically said, no, our products are not known to 32 00:01:48,240 --> 00:01:50,840 Speaker 1: cause addiction, and anything you've heard of the contrary is 33 00:01:50,920 --> 00:01:53,120 Speaker 1: just a media beat up. There's nothing the matter with 34 00:01:53,160 --> 00:01:57,040 Speaker 1: this stuff. Quoting from a newsplatform news dot com, dot 35 00:01:57,040 --> 00:01:59,960 Speaker 1: a you, Meta and YouTube, so it's both Meta and YouTube. 36 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:03,240 Speaker 1: YouTube is owned, as you know, by Alphabet, who also 37 00:02:03,320 --> 00:02:08,040 Speaker 1: owns Google. Meta and YouTube have been found liable for 38 00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:13,600 Speaker 1: harming a young woman through the addictive design of their platforms. 39 00:02:14,360 --> 00:02:17,000 Speaker 3: The Landmark decision could set a precedent for hundreds of 40 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:20,639 Speaker 3: similar cases after a now twenty year old woman accused 41 00:02:20,639 --> 00:02:23,840 Speaker 3: the tech giants of intentionally addicting her to the apps, 42 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:28,840 Speaker 3: causing anxiety, body dysmorphia and suicidal thoughts. The court has 43 00:02:28,919 --> 00:02:31,560 Speaker 3: ordered the company's pay a total of three million dollars 44 00:02:31,600 --> 00:02:32,320 Speaker 3: in damages. 45 00:02:33,400 --> 00:02:35,240 Speaker 2: This is huge. 46 00:02:35,400 --> 00:02:36,079 Speaker 1: That's really big. 47 00:02:36,160 --> 00:02:39,520 Speaker 2: This is yep, And I get the impression it's going 48 00:02:39,600 --> 00:02:42,720 Speaker 2: to set the precedents for cases that will follow. 49 00:02:43,120 --> 00:02:45,560 Speaker 1: Well, potentially the lawyers for the plaintiff, that is, the 50 00:02:45,600 --> 00:02:48,919 Speaker 1: lawyers for the person who is accusing Matter and YouTube 51 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:53,600 Speaker 1: alphabet of being addictive and creating the mental health challenges 52 00:02:53,600 --> 00:02:59,519 Speaker 1: that they experienced. That the lawyer said accountability has arrived. 53 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:02,520 Speaker 1: A spoke for Meticine that they respectfully disagree with the 54 00:03:02,600 --> 00:03:04,799 Speaker 1: verdict and would weigh their options. In other words, they're 55 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:07,320 Speaker 1: got to appeal. So this is definitely not over. But 56 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:12,640 Speaker 1: you're right. The reality is evidence continues to point in 57 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:18,200 Speaker 1: the direction increasingly that, among many other things, increased social 58 00:03:18,280 --> 00:03:23,440 Speaker 1: media access is associated with really really damaging issues for 59 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:26,040 Speaker 1: many people when it comes to the mental health. I 60 00:03:26,080 --> 00:03:27,720 Speaker 1: didn't think that it would be fair. I thought there 61 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:29,680 Speaker 1: would be too many complicating factors. I didn't think this 62 00:03:29,720 --> 00:03:31,799 Speaker 1: outcome would be achieved. And you can quote be on 63 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:35,920 Speaker 1: it because here's what I said in that podcast. The 64 00:03:36,080 --> 00:03:38,440 Speaker 1: challenge here is the burden of proof. How do you 65 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:40,480 Speaker 1: prove that it was social media? How do you prove 66 00:03:40,480 --> 00:03:42,680 Speaker 1: that it was the persuasive design elements? How do you 67 00:03:42,760 --> 00:03:48,600 Speaker 1: prove that it was intentional and inappropriate behavior by the 68 00:03:48,640 --> 00:03:51,800 Speaker 1: social media platforms that has created the mental health problem 69 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:54,360 Speaker 1: that you're dealing with. That's going to be the challenge. 70 00:03:54,360 --> 00:03:57,800 Speaker 1: And of course, the whole justice system is you're innocent 71 00:03:57,880 --> 00:04:00,880 Speaker 1: until proven guilty. Therefore, the burden of proof is on 72 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:03,080 Speaker 1: the person who says that they are aggrieved. They are 73 00:04:03,160 --> 00:04:07,040 Speaker 1: the plaintiff in this case. Can I just say I'm 74 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:11,080 Speaker 1: so happy? I'm so happy? It's a slap on the rist. 75 00:04:11,080 --> 00:04:13,200 Speaker 1: From a fine point of view. Three million dollars is 76 00:04:14,720 --> 00:04:17,679 Speaker 1: what they've been fined, so not really much of a challenge. 77 00:04:17,839 --> 00:04:22,039 Speaker 1: But but the big news is that these companies may 78 00:04:22,200 --> 00:04:25,680 Speaker 1: be forced to redesign their products to make them safer 79 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:30,000 Speaker 1: for people to use without brain rot, without decreased cortical development, 80 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:34,000 Speaker 1: that is, brains are literally thinning. In fact, there's this 81 00:04:34,040 --> 00:04:37,040 Speaker 1: thing called the Flinn effect. The Flint effect is basically 82 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:39,960 Speaker 1: IQ tests. We have to keep on updating IQ tests 83 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:41,800 Speaker 1: because people are getting smarter. We have to keep on 84 00:04:41,920 --> 00:04:44,880 Speaker 1: changing them because for the last since we've been measuring 85 00:04:44,920 --> 00:04:48,080 Speaker 1: IQ the last one hundred and twenty years. People just 86 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:51,200 Speaker 1: generation to generation are getting smarter and smarter every single generation, 87 00:04:51,279 --> 00:04:53,480 Speaker 1: but we want to keep the IQ mean of one hundred, 88 00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:57,039 Speaker 1: so therefore the IQ tests have to be updated. In 89 00:04:57,080 --> 00:05:01,400 Speaker 1: the last fifteen to twenty years, the flin effect has disappeared. 90 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:06,040 Speaker 1: The new generations are not getting smarter, and I think 91 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:07,560 Speaker 1: a huge part of it has to do with the 92 00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:10,720 Speaker 1: way that we're now using technology and with AI. I 93 00:05:10,760 --> 00:05:13,360 Speaker 1: think the AI companies would be watching this very closely 94 00:05:13,440 --> 00:05:17,320 Speaker 1: because their products are also designed to be compelling and 95 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:20,720 Speaker 1: in some cases addictive. I think that they want to 96 00:05:20,760 --> 00:05:21,520 Speaker 1: watch out next. 97 00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:24,800 Speaker 2: Do you foresee this will have any kind of flow 98 00:05:24,839 --> 00:05:29,360 Speaker 2: on impact to the way parents respond to children's screen use. 99 00:05:29,839 --> 00:05:32,080 Speaker 1: I hope that it does. That's why I'm talking about 100 00:05:32,120 --> 00:05:34,760 Speaker 1: it today on the podcast, because when you get a 101 00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:40,640 Speaker 1: court saying this product, this algorithm, meta alphabet, and we 102 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:42,440 Speaker 1: can look at a whole bunch of others as well. TikTok, 103 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:45,880 Speaker 1: I'm looking at you roadblocks the games as well, because 104 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:51,160 Speaker 1: they're designed with similar persuasive design principles. When courts are 105 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:54,159 Speaker 1: actually saying there is now sufficient evidence for us to 106 00:05:54,440 --> 00:05:57,599 Speaker 1: find this company millions of dollars three hundred and seventy 107 00:05:57,600 --> 00:06:00,920 Speaker 1: five million dollars in damages. They sought to point two billion. 108 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:02,840 Speaker 1: By the way, they got three hundred and seventy five 109 00:06:02,839 --> 00:06:07,279 Speaker 1: million dollars in damages. When we as parents hear that 110 00:06:07,320 --> 00:06:10,440 Speaker 1: the courts are now finding these companies guilty of something 111 00:06:10,440 --> 00:06:14,520 Speaker 1: that is unconscionable, of intentionally designing products to addict, that 112 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:16,680 Speaker 1: should make every parents sit up and say, Yeah, we've 113 00:06:16,720 --> 00:06:18,480 Speaker 1: been talking about it for ages. Okay, let's do something 114 00:06:18,520 --> 00:06:19,920 Speaker 1: about it. I really hope it does, That's why we're 115 00:06:19,920 --> 00:06:22,400 Speaker 1: talking about it. The reality is, I don't think that 116 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:25,280 Speaker 1: it will. And I say that based on the number 117 00:06:25,279 --> 00:06:28,360 Speaker 1: of parency show up when I do a resilience night 118 00:06:28,520 --> 00:06:30,039 Speaker 1: versus the number of parents you show up when I 119 00:06:30,040 --> 00:06:32,479 Speaker 1: do a screen addiction night. 120 00:06:33,160 --> 00:06:37,159 Speaker 2: Knowing how courts work and the idea that they have 121 00:06:37,279 --> 00:06:41,400 Speaker 2: to prove that they've been you've got to prove guilt, well, unlawful, 122 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:46,520 Speaker 2: not morally corrupt, but unlawful. Right, This feels like a 123 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:53,200 Speaker 2: completely moralistic challenge as opposed to lawful, because they haven't 124 00:06:53,520 --> 00:06:55,040 Speaker 2: essentially broken any laws. 125 00:06:55,240 --> 00:06:57,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, So here's what they were found. They were found 126 00:06:57,440 --> 00:07:00,680 Speaker 1: guilty specifically of the following they were found negligent in 127 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:04,800 Speaker 1: the design and operations of their platforms, negligent design, failure 128 00:07:04,839 --> 00:07:07,479 Speaker 1: to warn, so the jury found that both companies knew 129 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:10,120 Speaker 1: or should have known, that their services posed a danger 130 00:07:10,320 --> 00:07:15,080 Speaker 1: to children. They were found guilty of creating addictive design features. 131 00:07:15,440 --> 00:07:19,600 Speaker 1: So the successful argument was features like infinite scroll, AutoPlay, 132 00:07:19,640 --> 00:07:22,680 Speaker 1: and excessive notifications are deliberately designed to create addictive all 133 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:26,080 Speaker 1: day usage and in another case, that's just happened where 134 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:29,400 Speaker 1: they've been found guilty as well in New Mexico violating 135 00:07:29,440 --> 00:07:32,640 Speaker 1: state law misleading users. Metal was found to have misled 136 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:35,840 Speaker 1: users about the safety of Facebook, Instagram, and WhatsApp regarding 137 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:39,400 Speaker 1: how safe they actually were on the platform, enabling exploitation. 138 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:43,000 Speaker 1: The law suit acused Meta facilitating child sexual exploitation through 139 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:46,560 Speaker 1: its platforms design features which helped connect predators with miners. 140 00:07:47,400 --> 00:07:48,840 Speaker 1: And like I said, in one of them, there was 141 00:07:48,840 --> 00:07:50,840 Speaker 1: about three million dollars damages in the other one three 142 00:07:50,880 --> 00:07:54,320 Speaker 1: hundred and seventy five million dollars in damages in both 143 00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:59,720 Speaker 1: cases appealing, but yes, they've been found to have broken 144 00:07:59,760 --> 00:08:04,760 Speaker 1: the law law in terms of behaving maliciously, fraudulently and 145 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:09,440 Speaker 1: not letting people know the risks of using their platforms. 146 00:08:10,040 --> 00:08:12,840 Speaker 2: Well, we can only hope that we have some more 147 00:08:12,880 --> 00:08:17,400 Speaker 2: positive outcomes for families and that people start to actually 148 00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:19,360 Speaker 2: really take notice. 149 00:08:19,680 --> 00:08:23,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, and act highlights why that social medium in major 150 00:08:23,880 --> 00:08:26,560 Speaker 1: legislation matters so much. It also highlights the urgency and 151 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:28,560 Speaker 1: making sure that the companies are doing it, and we 152 00:08:28,640 --> 00:08:30,720 Speaker 1: all know that they're not around a bunch of presentations 153 00:08:30,760 --> 00:08:33,520 Speaker 1: last week all over Victoria and parents consistently we're saying, yeah, 154 00:08:33,760 --> 00:08:35,719 Speaker 1: my kids are still on these platforms even though they're 155 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:38,320 Speaker 1: supposed to be off, Like the E Safety Commissioner is 156 00:08:38,360 --> 00:08:42,080 Speaker 1: not biting hard enough here, and these platforms are not 157 00:08:42,679 --> 00:08:45,760 Speaker 1: complying with the relevant legislation at all. 158 00:08:45,840 --> 00:08:46,440 Speaker 3: Let's hope. 159 00:08:46,720 --> 00:08:49,120 Speaker 1: Let's hope that this fight continues. Okay, after the break, 160 00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:51,920 Speaker 1: question about homework that every parent of a nine year 161 00:08:51,920 --> 00:09:00,839 Speaker 1: old will want to hear. We're back. This is the 162 00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:04,079 Speaker 1: Happy Family's podcast Today. A tricky question. You can send 163 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:06,600 Speaker 1: your tricky questions to podcasts at Happy families dot com 164 00:09:06,679 --> 00:09:08,640 Speaker 1: dot you Just jump on there and leave us a 165 00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:11,720 Speaker 1: voice note. Email it to us podcasts at happy families 166 00:09:11,720 --> 00:09:13,360 Speaker 1: dot com dot you, or go to happy Families dot 167 00:09:13,360 --> 00:09:15,359 Speaker 1: com dot you scroll down to where it says podcasts 168 00:09:15,800 --> 00:09:18,360 Speaker 1: press the talk here, but then just start talking. It's 169 00:09:18,360 --> 00:09:21,839 Speaker 1: a super simple system. And this one came through from Ali. 170 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:24,880 Speaker 4: Hi, Justin, and Kylie. I have a nine year old daughter. 171 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:28,440 Speaker 4: She's in grade four, and we really really struggle with 172 00:09:28,720 --> 00:09:32,960 Speaker 4: homework motivation. We put it off and put it off 173 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:38,600 Speaker 4: unless I really encourage her to do it. She feels 174 00:09:38,640 --> 00:09:43,160 Speaker 4: like it is unnecessary and boring and she is not 175 00:09:43,520 --> 00:09:46,679 Speaker 4: interested in it at all. We have had conversations about 176 00:09:46,720 --> 00:09:50,920 Speaker 4: forming good habits and how it's more about revision and 177 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:54,480 Speaker 4: helping us to learn, but still, year after year we 178 00:09:54,520 --> 00:09:56,560 Speaker 4: come up against a bit of a brick wall. She 179 00:09:56,720 --> 00:09:59,520 Speaker 4: doesn't want to do at How can I have conversations 180 00:09:59,559 --> 00:10:04,040 Speaker 4: with her when I know myself I used to leave 181 00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:08,079 Speaker 4: my homework to the last minute. Any help would be 182 00:10:08,080 --> 00:10:09,240 Speaker 4: greatly yet appreciated. 183 00:10:09,440 --> 00:10:09,800 Speaker 1: Thanks. 184 00:10:10,800 --> 00:10:12,880 Speaker 2: I don't think Allie's going to like us very well. 185 00:10:12,960 --> 00:10:15,400 Speaker 1: I think she's going to love us very much. This 186 00:10:15,440 --> 00:10:17,800 Speaker 1: one's so easy. So a couple of weeks ago, we 187 00:10:17,840 --> 00:10:22,400 Speaker 1: did another Ask a Tricky Question episode on homework, and 188 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:25,120 Speaker 1: let me restate very briefly what we said. If your 189 00:10:25,160 --> 00:10:28,800 Speaker 1: kids are in primary school, stop worrying about it. Allie, 190 00:10:28,960 --> 00:10:31,000 Speaker 1: you hated it. Why did you hate it? I mean, 191 00:10:31,040 --> 00:10:33,800 Speaker 1: obviously Alie can't answer me back, but just pause for 192 00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:36,040 Speaker 1: a moment. Why did you hate homework when you were 193 00:10:36,120 --> 00:10:38,400 Speaker 1: in primary school? Here's the answer, because if you understood 194 00:10:38,400 --> 00:10:39,760 Speaker 1: how to do, it was boring, and if you didn't 195 00:10:39,800 --> 00:10:42,320 Speaker 1: understand how to do it was demotivating, frustrating, and you 196 00:10:42,360 --> 00:10:43,840 Speaker 1: and your parents would start fighting about it. 197 00:10:44,480 --> 00:10:47,199 Speaker 2: But not only that. I've been sitting in a chair 198 00:10:47,600 --> 00:10:48,559 Speaker 2: for seven hours. 199 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:50,120 Speaker 1: Let's do overtime, kids. 200 00:10:50,840 --> 00:10:53,679 Speaker 2: Seriously, I'm a kid. I just want to come home, 201 00:10:53,800 --> 00:10:56,280 Speaker 2: hang out with my friends, or play in the backyard, 202 00:10:56,600 --> 00:10:58,079 Speaker 2: eat some ice cream, whatever. 203 00:10:58,400 --> 00:11:01,200 Speaker 1: So the only thing that I would say is worse 204 00:11:01,240 --> 00:11:04,559 Speaker 1: than homework is spending the afternoon on a screen. Okay, 205 00:11:04,559 --> 00:11:06,760 Speaker 1: So if you've got the choice between doing homework and 206 00:11:07,760 --> 00:11:09,440 Speaker 1: rotting your brain on a screen, I would say, get 207 00:11:09,440 --> 00:11:12,800 Speaker 1: the kids to do the homework. But let me quote 208 00:11:12,800 --> 00:11:16,520 Speaker 1: from the twenty nineteen Parliamentary Inquiry and a Homework in Victoria. 209 00:11:16,559 --> 00:11:20,000 Speaker 1: It was significant inquiry that addressed approaches to homework in 210 00:11:20,080 --> 00:11:22,679 Speaker 1: Victorian schools that was conducted by the Education and Training 211 00:11:22,679 --> 00:11:25,680 Speaker 1: Committee in Victoria's Parliament, and what they found is number 212 00:11:25,720 --> 00:11:29,320 Speaker 1: one there's a whole lot of variable practices between schools 213 00:11:29,320 --> 00:11:32,920 Speaker 1: across schools in Victoria and around the nation. The inquiry 214 00:11:32,920 --> 00:11:36,080 Speaker 1: found that the quality of homework had a much greater 215 00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:37,800 Speaker 1: impact on student learning out comes than the amount of 216 00:11:37,840 --> 00:11:40,040 Speaker 1: time spent on it. The committee also noted that there 217 00:11:40,040 --> 00:11:43,760 Speaker 1: was limited quantifiable evidence and research available regarding how effective 218 00:11:43,760 --> 00:11:47,280 Speaker 1: homework actually is it improving student achievement or attitude towards learning. 219 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:50,080 Speaker 1: The very short version of all of that is to 220 00:11:50,080 --> 00:11:52,000 Speaker 1: say that the committee couldn't find any reason for us 221 00:11:52,040 --> 00:11:55,360 Speaker 1: to be doing homework with primary school aged school students. 222 00:11:55,400 --> 00:11:56,520 Speaker 2: I wish I could hug them. 223 00:11:56,679 --> 00:11:59,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, there just is no evidence that homework is benefiting 224 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:02,720 Speaker 1: your child if they're in primary school. The global evidence 225 00:12:02,760 --> 00:12:05,520 Speaker 1: on homework suggests that if your child is in high school, 226 00:12:05,800 --> 00:12:08,320 Speaker 1: then maybe one to two hours a day, particularly in 227 00:12:08,320 --> 00:12:10,920 Speaker 1: the upper years of high school, will be associated with 228 00:12:11,440 --> 00:12:13,439 Speaker 1: academic outcomes, so long as they're actually doing the homework 229 00:12:13,480 --> 00:12:15,959 Speaker 1: and not pretending to do homework while they're scrolling through 230 00:12:16,040 --> 00:12:20,319 Speaker 1: TikTok and Instagram. So alie, really easy one take the 231 00:12:20,360 --> 00:12:22,400 Speaker 1: pressure off. You didn't like it, there was a reason 232 00:12:22,440 --> 00:12:25,080 Speaker 1: for it. It was waste of time. Your children don't like it. 233 00:12:25,120 --> 00:12:26,679 Speaker 1: Your nine year old doesn't like it because it's a 234 00:12:26,720 --> 00:12:30,080 Speaker 1: waste of time in that grade. There is one caveat 235 00:12:30,120 --> 00:12:33,520 Speaker 1: one exception, one carve out here, and that is read 236 00:12:33,760 --> 00:12:37,200 Speaker 1: Read Read, Read, Yeah, but don't read for a certain 237 00:12:37,200 --> 00:12:39,120 Speaker 1: amount of time. Just read because it's good. Read because 238 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:43,040 Speaker 1: that's what we do. Read because reading is fun. Don't 239 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:45,040 Speaker 1: read the color in the color chart or the color 240 00:12:45,080 --> 00:12:47,160 Speaker 1: wheel or any of that stuff, because that's. 241 00:12:47,240 --> 00:12:49,680 Speaker 2: If your child's not interested in reading, read to them. 242 00:12:49,960 --> 00:12:52,640 Speaker 2: It doesn't matter how old they are, just get them 243 00:12:52,679 --> 00:12:54,440 Speaker 2: involved in reading. 244 00:12:54,800 --> 00:12:57,040 Speaker 1: So the thing to bear in mind here is if 245 00:12:57,040 --> 00:12:59,240 Speaker 1: you want your children to do well at school, we're 246 00:12:59,240 --> 00:13:02,600 Speaker 1: talking here about motivation for schoolwork. We're talking about interest 247 00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:08,640 Speaker 1: in learning, and we're talking about academic outcomes. Reading, unstructured activities, 248 00:13:09,880 --> 00:13:12,760 Speaker 1: play time, and time with family. They're the things that 249 00:13:12,800 --> 00:13:15,280 Speaker 1: are going to have the biggest impact on their academic outcomes, 250 00:13:15,559 --> 00:13:17,599 Speaker 1: especially in these primary school years when they're supposed to 251 00:13:17,600 --> 00:13:20,360 Speaker 1: be kids not pulling a second shift after they've done 252 00:13:20,360 --> 00:13:20,960 Speaker 1: a full day. 253 00:13:21,559 --> 00:13:25,040 Speaker 2: I know this is all about academic outcomes, but ultimately 254 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:30,160 Speaker 2: we want our children to live purposeful, happy, fulfilling lives. 255 00:13:30,679 --> 00:13:33,120 Speaker 1: Great last words, Alie thanks so much for the question. 256 00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:34,600 Speaker 1: If you have a tricky question, hit us up with 257 00:13:34,640 --> 00:13:37,880 Speaker 1: it podcasts at happy families dot com dot you or 258 00:13:37,880 --> 00:13:39,679 Speaker 1: happy families dot com dot you. 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