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Speaker 1: It's the Happy Families podcast.

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Speaker 2: It's the podcast for the time poor parent who just

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Speaker 2: wants answers Now.

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Speaker 1: One of my favorite episodes each month is this Week

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Speaker 1: in Parenting.

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Speaker 2: Bombomb.

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Speaker 1: You're rolling your eyes at me. You think that I'm

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Speaker 1: a bit cheesy about this one, dn't you?

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Speaker 2: Yep?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, thanks so much. Guess what, though? Do you remember

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Speaker 1: what happened last month when I tried to do This

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Speaker 1: Week in Parenting? Anyway, We've been talking way too long.

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Speaker 1: There are six stories. I don't think we're going to

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Speaker 1: have time for all them all because we've done three

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Speaker 1: and our time is almost up. I reckon, we need

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Speaker 1: to call it quits.

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Speaker 2: There you decided to add about I don't know, fifty

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Speaker 2: bajillion stories into one episode.

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Speaker 1: I tried to squeeze six stories into one episode.

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Speaker 2: We did get there, did we know?

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Speaker 1: We had to stretch it out over to maybe three episodes?

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Speaker 1: But git was fun. Today I've learned my lesson, missus

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Speaker 1: Happy Families. Really ask me how many stories?

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Speaker 2: How many stories are we doing today?

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Speaker 1: Three stories?

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Speaker 2: Three?

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Speaker 1: What about teenagers? One about social media? And what about

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Speaker 1: Oh there's more roadblocks news. There's more roadblocks news. So

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Speaker 1: let's kick off which one are we starting with?

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Speaker 2: That's two Roadblocks.

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Speaker 1: Should Wilworth end their partnership with Roadblocks. The Supermarket Giant

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Speaker 1: is on fire today for child's safety concerns because of

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Speaker 1: their latest promotion running with Roadblocks. Basically, if you've disappeared

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Speaker 1: in all of the news court papers. Over the last

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Speaker 1: couple of weeks, thousands of furious Australians have slammed Warworths

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Speaker 1: for partnering with controversial multi billion dollar gaming platform Roadblocks

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Speaker 1: that has exposed some children to harmful content. The Supermarket

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Speaker 1: Giant introduced Roadblocks rewards to give customers over the age

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Speaker 1: of eighteen a chance to win every week a share

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Speaker 1: of one hundred million Roebucks. Roebucks, as you would know, Kylie,

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Speaker 1: because I know that you love Roadblocks so much, is

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Speaker 1: a virtual currency used on the app to purchase avatars

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Speaker 1: and special abilities in the game.

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Speaker 2: Emily was critiquing our Roadblocks episode a few weeks back, really,

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Speaker 2: and she got very angry at me because I said

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Speaker 1: That's what happens when you've got a ten year old

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Speaker 1: who desperately wants to have what we are saying no,

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Speaker 1: So there is a change dot org petition that's been

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Speaker 1: created that's garnered thousands and thousands of signatures calling for

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Speaker 1: the supermarket giant and its collaboration with the quote unquote

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Speaker 1: harmful app Worth. Highlighting last year, the Australian Federal Police

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Speaker 1: said the children as young as twelve are being targeted

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Speaker 1: by extremists who are infiltrating online gaming platforms including Roadblocks,

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Speaker 1: with a rising number of children being investigated for radicalized

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Speaker 1: ideologies as well as that we know the Roadblocks is

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Speaker 1: a pedophilic healthscape where people are genuinely getting on there

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Speaker 1: be exploited in other ways. It's just a bad idea.

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Speaker 2: It just really intrigues me. I mean all of the

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Speaker 2: things that they've done previous have been targeted at children. Yes,

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Speaker 2: and all of a sudden we need to, I don't know,

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Speaker 1: This This is nuts.

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Speaker 2: It doesn't make sense to me, knowing full well that

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it blows me away. I feel I feel like

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Speaker 1: Woolworth's I'm not that this is a kind of a

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Speaker 1: They won't do Australia Day kind of paraphernalia because it's

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Speaker 1: terrible for the environment. They're happy to do Halloween, by

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Speaker 1: And now I think it's just a giant misstep on

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Speaker 1: their part. But of course this means that every parent

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Speaker 2: And I guess Cole's is going to have an influx

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Speaker 1: Parent Cole's, IgA and Aldi are saying, keep it up.

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Speaker 1: All these just keep doing their there's a great Pharents

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Speaker 1: what story number two.

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Speaker 3: They're known as ss zin's or nicotine pouches, and up

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Speaker 1: This one showed up on the ABC a couple of

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Speaker 1: But they keep on finding new ways to get product

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Speaker 1: There's a nicotine product that is even harder to detect.

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Speaker 1: They're known as zin's or snuffs or ziz call them

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Speaker 1: getting hold of these things. They're very, very very easy

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Speaker 1: you've got a little pouch. It's very very small. It

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Speaker 1: I've got my fingers in my mouth. That's why it

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Speaker 1: Super addictive being sold legally by tobacconists. Teenagers think they're

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm going to assume there's not a lot of

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Speaker 2: To get the hit without being detected.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So if someone's got nicotine cravings, are addicted to vabes,

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Speaker 1: I mean, they're just so duplicitous, they're so mendacious and

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Speaker 1: it's happening. Just to emphasize nicotine pouches are banned from

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Speaker 2: Now what's not You said there were three stories? Oh,

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Speaker 2: what's your last story?

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Speaker 1: So the last story is everywhere and it has been

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Speaker 1: for a couple of months now, and I'm so glad

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Speaker 2: For too many younger strains, social media can be harmful.

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Speaker 1: The federal government introducing a bold bill to block kids

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Speaker 3: I commend the bill to the House.

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Speaker 1: We've got the opposition and we've got the federal government

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Speaker 2: A couple of things going through my mind. Number one,

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Speaker 1: Yeah? These are really really challenging and big questions. First

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Speaker 1: of all, who would be against it? There are some

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Speaker 1: real privacy issues around this, and I have previously said

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Speaker 1: all of the civil libertarians who had just been annoying

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Speaker 1: They haven't worked this out yet, but there are definitely

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Speaker 1: what they're doing and who they are away from the

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Speaker 1: eyes of the government. It's not they're doing anything the

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Speaker 1: quite often when children are impressionable and young and they're

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Speaker 1: they're really struggling in their lives, sometimes the online world,

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Speaker 1: some kids it is their salvation in terms of the

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Speaker 1: policing that you've raised. This is a really tricky one. See.

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Speaker 1: I don't think that it's appropriate or fair in any

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Speaker 1: It is a parenting issue, by the way. It is

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Speaker 1: a parenting issue. But I think that the social media

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Speaker 1: a real need of the groin, Like it makes them

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Speaker 2: I think about the three stories we've spoken about specifically today,

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Speaker 2: roadblocks with woollies, you know, handouts and nicotine pouches, and

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Speaker 2: now we're talking about social media, and I just keep

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Speaker 2: going back to this idea that it takes a village

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Speaker 1: When legislation comes through, it makes it much easier for

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