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Speaker 1: Jum mission with Jones and Amanda.

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Speaker 2: So the last time we saw Tom Gleeson was after

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Speaker 2: the Logis and that was that was an interesting time.

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Speaker 2: I can't tell whether that was two minutes ago or

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Speaker 2: eighteen years ago, but a lot of things have made

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Speaker 2: us feel like that. I kind of relieved the Logans

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Speaker 2: went on this year because the pressure of that. Somehow

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Speaker 2: I'd been robbed because I never felt that. I felt

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Speaker 2: a lot of things that night and the days after,

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Speaker 2: but I never felt that I deserved it because I'd

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Speaker 2: lost the year before.

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Speaker 1: To Grant and that's that's fine. So you robbed that year, no. I.

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Speaker 2: So it wasn't the I didn't mine not winning it,

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Speaker 2: but the way it was built up, and a lot

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Speaker 2: of it was Tom's comedy. The way he did this

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Speaker 2: was an us and them and that he didn't care

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Speaker 2: about it, but he was determined to win it, and

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Speaker 2: that was the comedic trope he chose. But it kind

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Speaker 2: of made the rest of us feel like grasping losers

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Speaker 2: in the in the eye of the media. In a way,

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Speaker 2: it was Tom's was going to be the Trump and

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Speaker 2: you and flip the table, which made us look like

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Speaker 2: the losers rather than we're all in it, and someone

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Speaker 2: wins this year, there were going to be losers. That's

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Speaker 2: how it felt to me. And maybe I was close

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Speaker 2: to it before and didn't feel like that, but everyone

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Speaker 2: felt sorry for me. The morning after at the airport,

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Speaker 2: I hated that everyone looked at me, and I just

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Speaker 2: hated that I was I'd been put in a position

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Speaker 2: of having lost it and that was hard.

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Speaker 1: And I've grown up. And Tom on the night.

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Speaker 2: Said, you know that this is this is a joke,

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Speaker 2: really and that if all the rest of you really

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Speaker 2: want it and suck, oh, I've got it. And I

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Speaker 2: was really honored to be nominated. From the time I

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Speaker 2: was a kid, I've watched the logis and laughed at

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Speaker 2: the cheesy nature of it as well. But it meant

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Speaker 2: a huge amount to me to be nominated for a

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Speaker 2: Gold LOGI and and it upset me that I was

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Speaker 2: made to feel like a loser for caring. So if

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Speaker 2: I'd just having lost it, that wasn't the deal.

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Speaker 1: I didn't mind. It was the.

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Speaker 2: Tumultuous nature of the race, and it's so not in

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Speaker 2: my nature to be competitive like that, and to be

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Speaker 2: part of a race. You know what, I'm like, You know,

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Speaker 2: I run from that, so I found that really hard.

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Speaker 2: We had to campaign for yourself, and Tom, as part

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Speaker 2: of his comedic thing, made jokes of all the rest

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Speaker 2: of it.

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Speaker 1: I found that.

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Speaker 2: Really maybe that was his thing, but maybe that's how

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Speaker 2: he dealt with it well, treated as a joke, and.

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Speaker 1: That's he and he's completely entitled to.

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Speaker 2: But if he treats the whole thing as a joke

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Speaker 2: and then says people who care are stupid, how do

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Speaker 2: you respond to that? Where do you put yourself without

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Speaker 2: turning into someone who feels it looks like Paddy Newton,

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Speaker 2: who's one hundred years old, who's holding on to something

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Speaker 2: from the past. That's how the media painted the New

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Speaker 2: Guard versus us oldies, and that was hard. So I

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Speaker 2: haven't seen Tom since then. I have no hard feelings

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Speaker 2: against Tom, but we haven't spoken since the morning after

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Speaker 2: when he had that logi in his hand at the airport.

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Speaker 2: Even he said, even his wife wanted me to win.

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Speaker 2: She was annoyed at him.

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Speaker 1: So anyway we're chatting to him? Was next. He's got

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Speaker 1: a new show in a new book, so bring it on. Okay, well,

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Speaker 1: okay with James and Amanda