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Speaker 1: On today's show, Emmy lu McCarthy's new love interest, Sky

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Speaker 1: Wheatley dissolves thirteen years of lip filler, Indy Clinton's pre

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Speaker 1: labor glam divides the Internet and the Shechine Machine. Hello,

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Speaker 1: and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the hottest

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Speaker 1: influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm Amy Torbert,

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Speaker 1: and I'm currently taking advice on how to get my

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Speaker 1: house looking like more of a show home. It doesn't

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Speaker 1: look anything like it at the moment. You're sort of

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Speaker 1: on square one, so you're kind of building on it

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Speaker 1: at the moment. It's got a bit of a reno

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Speaker 1: vibe hattening. There's kind of shit everywhere. Now, what is

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Speaker 1: the advice you've been given? Is it just to throw

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Speaker 1: everything in a big tipple? No? Well, my friend he

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Speaker 1: has just bought a house as well, and he fancies

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Speaker 1: himself as a bit of an interior designer and he

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Speaker 1: has a real eye for it. So he was telling

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Speaker 1: me that he actually owns towels that are only decorative.

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Speaker 1: So nobody has used these towels in his house. Are

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Speaker 1: they in like guest bathrooms or yeah, it's a guest

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Speaker 1: bathroom and He's like, I've told my guests no one

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Speaker 1: is allowed to use these towers. And also he was

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Speaker 1: telling us how it drives him crazy that his boyfriend

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Speaker 1: is always leaving his clothes in the bathroom, and as somebody,

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Speaker 1: he leaves my clothes in the bathtub. I said, what

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Speaker 1: do you do with your clothes? And he's like, so

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Speaker 1: what I do is I get undressed in my bedroom,

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Speaker 1: I fold all the clothes up, and then I make

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Speaker 1: the dash in the hallway to the bathroom. That's pretty

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Speaker 1: extreme in winter. Like I've got to respect that. I

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Speaker 1: feel like I've got to take that on board because

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Speaker 1: we always have a bathtub full of clothes with no towels,

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Speaker 1: Like you don't even have decorative tails. I regretting putting

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Speaker 1: that out there because we did a Q and A

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Speaker 1: on our Instagram story the other day, and I feel

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Speaker 1: like everyone must have this view of me that I'm

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Speaker 1: such a pig because we described what our personality traits

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Speaker 1: were and I ask you guys, and you said that

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Speaker 1: I can be a perfectionist. And someone wrote in and

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Speaker 1: they're like, I'm super confused. I had a going as

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Speaker 1: someone who's a bit like quick to do things, sort

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Speaker 1: of you it, but I think you're like perfection You're

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Speaker 1: a bit of a perfectionist with your appearance or work

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Speaker 1: stuff as well, but just not around the house. And

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Speaker 1: I will be introduced myself. I'm Sophie Torbert and Halloween

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Speaker 1: is fast approaching. And Kay, you were actually having our

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Speaker 1: Halloween do at your house this year, and yes, saw

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Speaker 1: there was a discussion that Amy' said I could have it,

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Speaker 1: and then she said and I told Mom, and Mom's like,

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Speaker 1: I'm really proud that Amy's not taking too much on

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Speaker 1: it being illogical. And then literally half an hour later,

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Speaker 1: Amy declared to Mum and I actually I think I

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Speaker 1: may be able to host it. Because Amy's concern was

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Speaker 1: that they haven't got their pavers out in their backyard

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Speaker 1: and there's just dirt there. But She's like, I could

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Speaker 1: just set up a graveyard Halloween thing makes sense? Oh,

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Speaker 1: I mean, what more do you want for Halloween? Okay,

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Speaker 1: so I am hosting. I have to let Reese know, well,

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Speaker 1: I want to find a new costume for it because

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Speaker 1: last year we went as money heist. This year, I

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Speaker 1: felt you've got to go with something different each year,

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Speaker 1: and I really got into the Pam and Tommy mini series,

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Speaker 1: and I was thinking it'd be hilarious to come as

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Speaker 1: Pamela Anderson. I've seen Amelia many from Instagram doing this

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Speaker 1: recreation of how to get Pamela Anderson's signature nineties hairstyle.

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Speaker 1: I think would be a lot of fun to dresses

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Speaker 1: Brandon coming as Tommy. He actually wants to come as

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Speaker 1: Chase Stokes around the Banks or John b No, he

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Speaker 1: has to come as Tommy. Well, I don't know. I

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Speaker 1: don't know if I'm going as her yet. I don't

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Speaker 1: know what I do for the boobs because I have

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Speaker 1: no boobs myself. Oh, they can get around that. I

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Speaker 1: have some chicken what are they called chicken filets? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but they're not big enough. What about you going in

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Speaker 1: the swimsuit? Then way, I'd more go that sort of

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Speaker 1: her kind of weekend look, which is what well, I

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Speaker 1: feel like she just wore a lot of like leather

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Speaker 1: to get the barbed armor. Yeah. Well, I'm Kate Torbert

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Speaker 1: and I want to know is there only one model

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Speaker 1: parties coming up, and Eden Canarakus keeps following me. She

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Speaker 1: is the one model that you see following her. Well,

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Speaker 1: I don't know, because literally I'm like, oh, is this

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Speaker 1: Like literally, this woman must be so busy and she's

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's why she's booking all this. Who I

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Speaker 1: the pan. He took me a second. I was like,

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Speaker 1: who is that. I'm like, oh my god, it's Drew.

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Speaker 1: There's a guy from our school who I felt really

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Speaker 1: wouldn't call him a loser, that's a bit harsh, but

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Speaker 1: he was popular like ourselves at school and in year

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Speaker 1: eight he made the grave mistake of saying he loved cats.

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Speaker 1: So that followed him from year eight to year twelve,

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Speaker 1: everyone called him catboy. Anyway, he is now absolutely killing

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Speaker 1: it in the modeling world. I see him all the time.

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Speaker 1: Is he killing it or well, he's doing okay. One

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Speaker 1: of the catalogs we half long recently too, catboys doing well.

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Speaker 1: I love this.

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Speaker 2: Do you hate it when people like me yell out,

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, Emmy Lou, it's you when they see you,

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Speaker 2: not at all. I'll always get a kick out of that.

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Speaker 2: It's amazing, it's so cool.

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Speaker 1: A year after separating from her husband, divisive influencer Emmy

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Speaker 1: lu McCarthy has been breadcrimbing a new relationship. So if

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Speaker 1: people have been begging us to talk about her for

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Speaker 1: months now, before we get into it, can you tell

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Speaker 1: us who Emmy Lou is. That's right, we're giving the

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Speaker 1: people what they want. As you said, Kate, she is

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Speaker 1: a very divisive influencer. She has one hundred and nineteen

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Speaker 1: thousand followers on Instagram and she describes herself as a

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Speaker 1: fashion stylist, makeup artist, TV producer, TV presenter, and influencer.

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Speaker 1: Which talented. Yes, Yeah, I was quite surprised when I

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Speaker 1: came across all these title descriptions because from what I've

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Speaker 1: seen of her brand. She is very much centered around

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Speaker 1: cooking and being a very relatable mums. The content that

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Speaker 1: she shares is very raw. She's not one of those

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Speaker 1: mummy bloggers who appears on camera with a face full

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Speaker 1: someone who is very bubbly and a bit of a dag.

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Speaker 1: I feel like her kids are always roped into film

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Speaker 1: segments that they just can't be bothered to film like.

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Speaker 1: She's one of those influences where you click onto her

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Speaker 1: profile and it's just all the little dots at the top.

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Speaker 1: I don't have the time. Well, yeah, the spon con

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Speaker 1: is absolutely shameless their account. These stories are the only

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Speaker 1: and it's quite funny because I mean, some of the

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Speaker 1: because a lot of the people who follow her will

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Speaker 1: that was, and it's like a satirical, you know, story

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Speaker 1: about their life. And the people are very talented on there.

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Speaker 1: I mean, if it was about you, you'd be in tears.

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Speaker 1: But oh you just couldn't read tatal list, you know.

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Speaker 1: One of the influences on there, definitely not. Emi Leu

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Speaker 1: is one of those characters online that you either love

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Speaker 1: Lou has been breadcrumbing her followers about a new man

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Speaker 1: in her life. And just for context, Emmy shares her

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Speaker 1: three kids with ex husband Aaron, who she has now

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Speaker 1: been separated for for the past year. Please tell us

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Speaker 1: what's been going on. Well, despite this separation, Aaron is

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Speaker 1: still a clear fixture on her Instagram stories. So recently

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Speaker 1: he was at her house cooking and she jokingly reminded

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Speaker 1: thought that would have gone down like a lettheron. Does

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Speaker 1: one who's moved on quickly? So he did move out

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Speaker 1: Peter have moved on with a new partner. It was

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Speaker 1: Aaron hand in hand with someone new, what like in

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Speaker 1: has been using dating apps to meet people. So Emmy

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Speaker 1: then just a few months later they've suddenly in this

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Speaker 1: go out to a post. It's making relationships easily a

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Speaker 1: I think there's also for middle aged people. There's a

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Speaker 1: lot of scamming that also goes on on these platforms.

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Speaker 1: You have to be careful about anyway. It was quite

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Speaker 1: interesting because she did say she's seeing someone, and she

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Speaker 1: appeared like flustered talking about the new man in her life.

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Speaker 1: Here's what she said.

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Speaker 2: I haven't been on them for quite a few months

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Speaker 2: now because I am obviously seeing somebody which I cannot

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Speaker 2: talk about because I just flushed so much, and obviously

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Speaker 2: I'm keeping that side of my life private, and I

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Speaker 2: still just stutter and go there's a piece of hair

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Speaker 2: like flying around at the same time that I'm talking,

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Speaker 2: and so I just I've become a complete gushy mess

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Speaker 2: because it's, you know, just beautiful.

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Speaker 1: It'd be so shit if you're an influencer and you're

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Speaker 1: having to share all these parts of your life to

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Speaker 1: even go on your stories and talk about a guy

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Speaker 1: that you're dating, because surely they would just go and

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Speaker 1: watch the Sorry but no, but yeah. True. The thing

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Speaker 1: is she's not actually that shy about it, because before

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Speaker 1: this announcement, she has been soft launching the hell out

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Speaker 1: of this guy, so much so that Tattle Life has

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Speaker 1: already given this new guy a nickname. What if it

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Speaker 1: they're calling him babe because in a few Instagram stories,

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Speaker 1: that's very juicy. Well, I wonder if Sky is staying

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Speaker 1: Roxy Jusenko's talent management company, the Ministry of Talent. Now.

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Speaker 1: But oh my god, Indy Clinton has divided opinion by

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Speaker 1: you would be doing that, Sophie now. She also asked

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Speaker 1: This just shows how important Instagram and social media is

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Speaker 1: when I'm in labor. It was quite funny. In the

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00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:05,159
Speaker 1: car she was playing the song push It in the background,

431
00:21:05,359 --> 00:21:08,240
Speaker 1: and she also said that she firstly wanted to play man,

432
00:21:08,280 --> 00:21:10,240
Speaker 1: I feel like a woman When she was pushing the

433
00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:13,040
Speaker 1: baby out, but she'd actually played it too many times,

434
00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:16,280
Speaker 1: so she was asking her followers to make some suggestions

435
00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:18,600
Speaker 1: of what she should play. The thing is, I feel like,

436
00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:21,920
Speaker 1: when I'm pregnant, I'll want to feel like myself, so

437
00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:24,320
Speaker 1: I want to do things that I did before I

438
00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:27,400
Speaker 1: felt pregnant. So if she's someone who is really into

439
00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:30,080
Speaker 1: a fake tan and the nails and everything else, she

440
00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:32,440
Speaker 1: may be doing that in a move to feel most

441
00:21:32,560 --> 00:21:35,399
Speaker 1: like her the more the issue that I have is

442
00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:39,480
Speaker 1: more with the monetization of her pregnant. But that's the

443
00:21:39,520 --> 00:21:41,760
Speaker 1: sort of grosser thing to me than whether she wants

444
00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:45,480
Speaker 1: to beautify herself ahead of the labor. Well, I've never

445
00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:48,480
Speaker 1: really seen anyone act like this when I'm pregnant, because normally,

446
00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:52,080
Speaker 1: except Chloe, except Courtney Kardashian. I remember when they were

447
00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:54,480
Speaker 1: filming she ran to the bathroom and put a fake tad. No,

448
00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:56,800
Speaker 1: but I mean I've shaved vagina. No, no, no, I'm

449
00:21:56,840 --> 00:21:58,880
Speaker 1: not talking about the prep I'm talking about I've never

450
00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:03,960
Speaker 1: seen an influencer start uploading tiktoks while she's having contractions,

451
00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:08,480
Speaker 1: because literally, she had a video where she was having contractions.

452
00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:11,480
Speaker 1: She said that she had reapplied her makeup, and she

453
00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:13,320
Speaker 1: was telling everyone what she was having for dinner and

454
00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:15,920
Speaker 1: how long away the baby was. It was bizarre because

455
00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:19,080
Speaker 1: normally people saved this type of content for a vlog,

456
00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:22,199
Speaker 1: but she really knows that she is getting so much

457
00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:24,320
Speaker 1: attention right now that she's going to pop up this

458
00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:26,679
Speaker 1: short form content straight away. And I'm wondering if this

459
00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:29,000
Speaker 1: is going to be a trend with pregnant world. It's

460
00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:32,560
Speaker 1: wiring because what about if things don't go so well

461
00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:37,440
Speaker 1: in the birthday sweet and something unfortunate happens in regards

462
00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:40,120
Speaker 1: to her getting all her makeup done and her tan done.

463
00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:43,240
Speaker 1: I feel like it's not potentially coming from a place

464
00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:46,719
Speaker 1: of vanity, it's more from being insecure well. Followers were

465
00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:49,040
Speaker 1: very divided on the matter. One person wrote, this is

466
00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:51,040
Speaker 1: a kind of shit that made me feel addicted to

467
00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:54,240
Speaker 1: and dependent on fake tan to feel beautiful for twelve years.

468
00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:57,320
Speaker 1: Another wrote, looking hot in labor gets a big tick

469
00:22:57,359 --> 00:23:01,160
Speaker 1: of approval from this dueler. Other follower said I did

470
00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:03,840
Speaker 1: this exact same thing before my induction. I hope your

471
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Speaker 1: birth goes well now, for I feel like we already

472
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Speaker 1: know your thoughts on it, But do you guys think

473
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Speaker 1: that you will want to look quote beautiful while you're

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Speaker 1: giving birth. The thing is, I don't necessarily want to

475
00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:16,679
Speaker 1: look glam to the nines whilst I'm giving birth. I

476
00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:18,920
Speaker 1: just want to be comfortable. But I also want to

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00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:21,720
Speaker 1: feel like me, So I feel like for me, I

478
00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:24,800
Speaker 1: would have liked to do a ten in preparation, not

479
00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:27,879
Speaker 1: the day of, but also there was a couple of

480
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Speaker 1: nights with foor whatever. But I would like to be

481
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Speaker 1: wearing makeup because I'm the sort of person who I

482
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Speaker 1: wear makeup every day. I don't feel like me if

483
00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:36,840
Speaker 1: I go out of the house with that makeup on. Yeah,

484
00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:38,440
Speaker 1: that's the thing. I think it depends on what type

485
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Speaker 1: of person you are, because so people that don't regularly

486
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Speaker 1: ten or don't regularly get their nails done a wear makeup.

487
00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:46,000
Speaker 1: It probably sounds absurd, but if that's something in your

488
00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:49,120
Speaker 1: daily routine, I can understand it. Well. You're probably also

489
00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:50,920
Speaker 1: not getting much time to get your nails done when

490
00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:52,639
Speaker 1: you have a newborn child, so maybe you've got to

491
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Speaker 1: get it done before that. There. I do think a

492
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Speaker 1: lot of women who are having their first child especially

493
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Speaker 1: will go and get all of those things done because

494
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Speaker 1: they don't know, and they're going to have another opportunity

495
00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:03,800
Speaker 1: to do it. For me. I feel like I probably

496
00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:06,119
Speaker 1: would wear makeup too, But then I don't know, Like,

497
00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:08,560
Speaker 1: if you're heavily pregnant, do you just not give a

498
00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:12,400
Speaker 1: fuck problem? Just get it out, like I just want

499
00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:14,720
Speaker 1: to see this baby. I also think it's different because

500
00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:17,600
Speaker 1: in this scenario, India knew that she was being induced

501
00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:19,760
Speaker 1: on this day, so she knew she had this amount

502
00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:21,600
Speaker 1: of time to get ready. Pretty similar if you were

503
00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:24,800
Speaker 1: having a Cesaian. However, if your waters have just broken

504
00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:27,280
Speaker 1: and you're going into labor and you're whacking on fake

505
00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:29,800
Speaker 1: tan and or you know, shaving or doing your nails

506
00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:31,800
Speaker 1: a bit like Courtney cut ash In, I find that

507
00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:35,080
Speaker 1: a bit strong. Imagine imagine the smell of tan lingering

508
00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:37,800
Speaker 1: in the delivery room. Your kid comes out, they're covered

509
00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:40,760
Speaker 1: in tan as well. Oh my gosh. Yes, the transfer

510
00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:47,440
Speaker 1: Okay machine package just came in. A new documentary entitled

511
00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:50,280
Speaker 1: The Sheen Machine has promised to reveal the truth about

512
00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:54,159
Speaker 1: the fastest growing fashion brand on Earth. The documentary, hosted

513
00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:57,880
Speaker 1: by journalist Aman Amani, sees an undercover journalist sent inside

514
00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:01,720
Speaker 1: one of Sheen's Chinese factories to expose what really goes

515
00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:06,280
Speaker 1: on amy. What are the biggest revelations from the documentary. Well,

516
00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:08,800
Speaker 1: I think one of the biggest is just how toxic

517
00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:12,360
Speaker 1: this work culture is at Sheen. So the undercover journalists

518
00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:15,000
Speaker 1: reported staff were being paid as little as a few

519
00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:18,200
Speaker 1: cents for each garment they produced, and if they made

520
00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:21,040
Speaker 1: a mistake, they would docked two thirds of their pay.

521
00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:24,480
Speaker 1: It also revealed that workers began their day at eight

522
00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:27,240
Speaker 1: am each day and finished in the early hours of

523
00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:30,159
Speaker 1: the morning in order to meet their quotas, and they

524
00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:33,119
Speaker 1: were only given one day off a month. I was

525
00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:35,760
Speaker 1: pretty shocked to read also that if you return a

526
00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:39,040
Speaker 1: garment of clothing that the person responsible for making it

527
00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:41,359
Speaker 1: gets their pay docked. I mean, how bad would you be?

528
00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:45,000
Speaker 1: So disgusting? Well, on top of that, the average daily

529
00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:48,480
Speaker 1: wage for machine worker equates to just one hundred Australian

530
00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:52,040
Speaker 1: dollars a day, which it doesn't sound that bad, does it. However,

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00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:55,440
Speaker 1: they're making five hundred pieces of clothing and it's an

532
00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:59,240
Speaker 1: eighteen hour day. Well for them, they basically live at work,

533
00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:01,760
Speaker 1: because if you were eighteen hours, you're only spending the

534
00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:05,320
Speaker 1: rest of your time sleeping. Really and Unsurprisingly, the doco

535
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:08,040
Speaker 1: also revealed that the brand is failing in terms of

536
00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:11,520
Speaker 1: its sustainability quota. It's so bizarre seeing all these things

537
00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:14,000
Speaker 1: come out, because I feel like we all know deep

538
00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:17,040
Speaker 1: down that Sheen is a very bad company to buy from.

539
00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:19,719
Speaker 1: But then you head over to TikTok and there's all

540
00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:23,399
Speaker 1: these influencers doing Sheen holes and everything looks fun and

541
00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:27,400
Speaker 1: it's all about consuming things quickly. I mean, I'm embarrassed

542
00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:30,639
Speaker 1: to say I have purchased something off the platform before

543
00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:32,880
Speaker 1: and I feel really bad about it. Yeah, I think

544
00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:36,120
Speaker 1: so many people have that will be listening to this podcast. Kay,

545
00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:39,280
Speaker 1: you spoke about the sheen holes on TikTok. One of

546
00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:43,800
Speaker 1: their major marketing strategies is actually using micro influencers. So

547
00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:47,760
Speaker 1: they target these micro influencers on TikTok rather than paying

548
00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:51,440
Speaker 1: some of the huge influencers, because micro influencers are normally

549
00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:55,399
Speaker 1: happy to post just for receiving clothing and associates clothing

550
00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:58,440
Speaker 1: and costing about I think thirty cents. Well. I also

551
00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:03,119
Speaker 1: think it's because larger launcers wouldn't want their brand associated

552
00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:06,080
Speaker 1: with Sheen because they know how badly they are received

553
00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:07,879
Speaker 1: by the public. I don't know about that because a

554
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:11,080
Speaker 1: lot of influencers put their faces to fast fashion. She

555
00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:14,359
Speaker 1: it's different. I think there's a real ick factor around Sheen.

556
00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:16,119
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people are ashamed to ever

557
00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:19,600
Speaker 1: because Lily Brown even came out in her Q and

558
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:21,679
Speaker 1: A with Michael Finch and she said Sheen is a

559
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:24,040
Speaker 1: brand that she'd never work with. I think if they've

560
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:26,120
Speaker 1: been in the industry, say for as long as Lily

561
00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:28,800
Speaker 1: Brown has or a Shani Grimmond, they know that they're

562
00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:30,879
Speaker 1: going to copy it from their followers. But I think

563
00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:34,440
Speaker 1: the thing is, though, there is a purpose for Sheen

564
00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:36,240
Speaker 1: in a sense that there's a lot of young people

565
00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:38,760
Speaker 1: that are on TikTok that don't have a lot of money.

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00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:41,040
Speaker 1: I mean, Australia and the rest of the world has

567
00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:43,359
Speaker 1: gone through a very difficult time with the pandemic and

568
00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:45,640
Speaker 1: money isn't something that there is a wealth of at

569
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:49,239
Speaker 1: the moment. So you can't blame people from purchasing from them.

570
00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:52,400
Speaker 1: But it feeds into the whole throwaway culture, the whole

571
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:55,000
Speaker 1: thing that you need a new outfit every weekend. Yeah,

572
00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:57,200
Speaker 1: that's what needs to change, and that's what these micro

573
00:27:57,320 --> 00:27:59,720
Speaker 1: influencers aren't helping. Kate you're right in terms of the

574
00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:03,120
Speaker 1: cost of living, because this documentary is basically saying we're

575
00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:05,280
Speaker 1: not trying to demonize people who may have bought one

576
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:07,960
Speaker 1: or two things on Sheen because that's all they could afford.

577
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:10,639
Speaker 1: There are people who can only afford eight dollars for

578
00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:13,000
Speaker 1: a shirt. They can't afford one hundred dollars t shirt

579
00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:15,280
Speaker 1: or whatever. Well, if you're a teenager and you only

580
00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:17,520
Speaker 1: have one hundred dollars from your parents perhaps to spend

581
00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:20,280
Speaker 1: on your wardrobe for summer, you're going to try and

582
00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:22,159
Speaker 1: get as many outfits as you can from that one

583
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:24,199
Speaker 1: hundred dollars. The issue is I mean, say you're that

584
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:26,720
Speaker 1: person who has a small budget for clothes, but you

585
00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:29,359
Speaker 1: wear those clothes for five years. They're not the people

586
00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:31,680
Speaker 1: that this docker is having to go at. It's the

587
00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:35,960
Speaker 1: culture of this Sheen Hall that's been promoted by these influencers.

588
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:39,360
Speaker 1: And you can see this micro influencer strategy is paying

589
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:43,120
Speaker 1: off for Sheen because last year there's sales figures skyrocketed

590
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:46,960
Speaker 1: by four hundred percent, so they recorded fourteen point five

591
00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:50,680
Speaker 1: billion pounds in revenue, and this was from spending not

592
00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:53,640
Speaker 1: very much on advertising. This is just from gifting clothes

593
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:56,160
Speaker 1: to micro influence, just a common amy on keeping the

594
00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:58,360
Speaker 1: clothes for five years. I don't think sheen clothes are

595
00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:01,160
Speaker 1: going to last year for five years, even if you

596
00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:03,720
Speaker 1: thrash them. It's you know. It was also pretty interesting

597
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:07,600
Speaker 1: because the doco revealed just how engineered Machine app is.

598
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:09,920
Speaker 1: So I think we've all been on Machine app is

599
00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:12,600
Speaker 1: even though they had an app. Well it's it's been

600
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:13,320
Speaker 1: on a website.

601
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:13,640
Speaker 2: Yeah.

602
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:16,800
Speaker 1: Well it's the most downloaded app in America apparently. So

603
00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:20,720
Speaker 1: according to the reporter, the app is loaded with dark patterns,

604
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:23,720
Speaker 1: and that's a marketing term for techniques which are designed

605
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:26,040
Speaker 1: to make people buy on impulse, so a bit like

606
00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:30,120
Speaker 1: Facebook in terms of they use algorithms to keep people

607
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:33,320
Speaker 1: on the platform and assuming Machine works in a similar way.

608
00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:36,440
Speaker 1: So some of the techniques are of course free shipping

609
00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:38,520
Speaker 1: when you spend a certain amount of money, as well

610
00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:42,040
Speaker 1: as discount codes, and there's also a countdown clock as

611
00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:44,560
Speaker 1: well as you can receive little coins, so if you

612
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:47,680
Speaker 1: leave a review on say a jacket you've purchased, you

613
00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:51,000
Speaker 1: actually gain coins if people like your comments. I've seen

614
00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:54,000
Speaker 1: some people like please, I need the money. I always

615
00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:57,520
Speaker 1: find when I am online shopping that that countdown clock

616
00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:00,880
Speaker 1: is quite effective. I know when they have big you know,

617
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:03,880
Speaker 1: Black Friday sales, they have, oh the countdown is on

618
00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:07,200
Speaker 1: the sales only lasting for another thirty four minutes. I

619
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:09,880
Speaker 1: suppose a lot of stores are piggybacking off what Sheen's

620
00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:11,960
Speaker 1: been doing for a while with that countdown clock. And

621
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:16,200
Speaker 1: they definitely use this technique to monopolize during COVID because

622
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:20,600
Speaker 1: everybody was impulse buying, so this even fueled it further. Now,

623
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Speaker 1: Sheen has responded to the allegations put out by the

624
00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:26,560
Speaker 1: Channel four documentary and they said they were very concerned

625
00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:30,400
Speaker 1: by these allegations and that the allegations violated their code

626
00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:33,440
Speaker 1: of conduct. They said that failure to meet their standards

627
00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:37,840
Speaker 1: results in terminations of partnership. They also have requested specific

628
00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:41,080
Speaker 1: information for Channel four to help their investigation. So that's

629
00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:43,400
Speaker 1: some good pr because they're trying to shift the blame

630
00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:48,280
Speaker 1: to this particular Sheene supplier or manufacturer, which I mean,

631
00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:51,680
Speaker 1: does anyone actually buy it? No. They also said they've

632
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:56,200
Speaker 1: engaged industry leading third party agencies to conduct regular audits

633
00:30:56,200 --> 00:31:00,760
Speaker 1: of suppliers. Reading into it, they're obviously going to make

634
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:04,520
Speaker 1: a grand gesture of getting rid of this particular manufacturer

635
00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:07,360
Speaker 1: and acting as if they're the only issue. Doesn't every

636
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:10,880
Speaker 1: fast fashion company do this? Like the thing is, while

637
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:13,040
Speaker 1: we can all sit here outraged, I don't think that

638
00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:15,560
Speaker 1: this is going to affect she's bottom line at all.

639
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:17,360
Speaker 1: I mean, we're all sitting here saying, oh, we'd never

640
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:20,920
Speaker 1: purchased from there again. But I don't know if it's

641
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:25,040
Speaker 1: going to be changing a lot of consumers spending because

642
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:28,120
Speaker 1: this information isn't new. There have been so many documentaries

643
00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:31,080
Speaker 1: that have shown that these workers in third world countries

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Speaker 1: are receiving very little money for the people don't care.

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Speaker 1: That's the thing, you think, that's the people don't know.

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Speaker 1: They don't know. I think there's too much to care about.

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00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:43,680
Speaker 1: But I think they become overwhelmed because, you know, we

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00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:46,280
Speaker 1: sort of get told that even brands that we wouldn't

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00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:49,800
Speaker 1: consider to be fast fashion brands are and that they

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00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:52,520
Speaker 1: sort of have similar practices in their factory. So when

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00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:54,760
Speaker 1: you start to think, well, all brands that I buy

652
00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:56,960
Speaker 1: from are wrong, so I may as well buy something

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00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:59,040
Speaker 1: that's cheap, but it can helped me out. It's a

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00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:02,959
Speaker 1: real double edged too, though, because, for instance, this manufacturer

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Speaker 1: in the Docco, who is probably going to get dumped

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00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:08,120
Speaker 1: by Sheene. This means that they're workers are now out

657
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:10,120
Speaker 1: of jobs and you have to be in a pretty

658
00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:12,760
Speaker 1: desperate situation to be working for two to three cents

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Speaker 1: a garment, So what are they going to do? I

660
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:18,720
Speaker 1: saw another documentary years ago on fast fashion and the

661
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:21,080
Speaker 1: thing is a lot of the workers really want to

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00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:24,280
Speaker 1: be in those jobs, but it's just they sort of

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00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:28,000
Speaker 1: high status jobs in the community. It goes from different ranks,

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Speaker 1: so there's people who are out there picking cotton in

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00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:33,400
Speaker 1: the you know, in the stifling heat. So having it

666
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:36,240
Speaker 1: depends who you work for. Because all of the factories

667
00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:38,760
Speaker 1: are bad. However, there are some that are worse than others.

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00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 1: And I think the machine factory a full time job,

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Speaker 1: and I think thechine factory is one of the worst ones,

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00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:46,760
Speaker 1: because there are some factories that would pay you know,

671
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:49,320
Speaker 1: maybe five dollars a garment instead of three cents. The

672
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:52,320
Speaker 1: thing is, I just don't see the way out. Unfortunately.

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Speaker 1: As depressing as that said, I do think things could

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Speaker 1: be done to tighten restrictions on fast fashion brands. That's

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00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:00,800
Speaker 1: one thing that could help. But I still look at it.

676
00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:05,520
Speaker 1: This company earned fourteen point five billion dollars last year. Unfortunately,

677
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:07,880
Speaker 1: the way the world works is if you're rich, you

678
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:10,160
Speaker 1: have a big say and you can basically do whatever

679
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:11,720
Speaker 1: the fuck you want to cover it up. Well, I

680
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:14,760
Speaker 1: think that also there needs to be more regulation within

681
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:18,719
Speaker 1: Chinese factories and also a move to improve employee working

682
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:21,640
Speaker 1: conditions because that is clearly not happening at the moment.

683
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:24,480
Speaker 1: I think we need to all just start boycotting these

684
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:27,160
Speaker 1: sorts of brands because if we're not paying for them,

685
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:29,040
Speaker 1: they're not making money. But again, you were just saying

686
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:31,680
Speaker 1: before how confusing it is, because when you really look

687
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:34,320
Speaker 1: at it, if you do a deep dive on any brand,

688
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:36,880
Speaker 1: there are going to be black marks again, because in

689
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:39,920
Speaker 1: order to be competitive, most brands have to I think

690
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:42,000
Speaker 1: we should try and do better. Yeah, we should all

691
00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 1: know better though, because if there's a top online that

692
00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:48,680
Speaker 1: say four dollars and you're having to pay sixty dollars elsewhere,

693
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:52,360
Speaker 1: it's pretty obvious people are just doing better because some

694
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:55,320
Speaker 1: people can't afford to do it. But it's this culture

695
00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:58,240
Speaker 1: of wearing something one for one day and then throwing

696
00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:01,520
Speaker 1: it in there. From our perspective, in terms of an influence,

697
00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:04,520
Speaker 1: a podcast. I do think that one thing that can

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00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:09,200
Speaker 1: improve is these micro influencers not doing machineholes. I think

699
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:11,239
Speaker 1: that it could be something that could be worked on,

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00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:13,880
Speaker 1: because you know, just say no to the free clothing.

701
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:15,439
Speaker 1: But I also think, at the end of the day,

702
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:18,880
Speaker 1: if you're buying from Sheene, the clothing isn't good quality,

703
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:21,279
Speaker 1: so it's not going to last you in the long run.

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00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 1: I know a lot of teenagers don't think like that,

705
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:26,000
Speaker 1: but if you're someone who's our age who is purchasing

706
00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:29,160
Speaker 1: from Sheen, you're better off purchasing from a sustainable brand

707
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:34,400
Speaker 1: if you have the capability and sustainable clothes. Because fast

708
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:37,359
Speaker 1: fashion is just that you wear it once and then

709
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:39,960
Speaker 1: you throw it in the bin. But what about even

710
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:43,279
Speaker 1: if you if Sheen or another fast fashion is all

711
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:46,680
Speaker 1: that you can afford, Choose something that's not just on trend.

712
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:50,040
Speaker 1: Choose something that might stay, you know, last stable piece, Yeah,

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00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:54,760
Speaker 1: a staple piece, ioping the thing kids love shopping these days.

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Speaker 1: I just think it's quite unfashionable to shop from Sheen.

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00:34:57,840 --> 00:34:59,640
Speaker 1: Like I know, when I talk about it with my friends,

716
00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:02,080
Speaker 1: everyone says they feel a bit dirty after looking. No

717
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:04,080
Speaker 1: one wants to admit that they've shopped on Sheen. Did

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00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:07,040
Speaker 1: you see that Sheen have released this new initiative. It's

719
00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:10,879
Speaker 1: called the Sheene Exchange, so they're trying to be seen

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00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:13,560
Speaker 1: to be doing something. It's basically a website where you

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00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 1: can exchange your machine clothes if you don't if you

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00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:19,680
Speaker 1: don't wear them anymore. However, a lot of workers only

723
00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:22,799
Speaker 1: get hat. They're pay deducted if you're not clothing. People

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00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:25,960
Speaker 1: are just saying it's so hypocritical because they're trying to

725
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:28,040
Speaker 1: look they're greenwashing. They're trying to look like they're doing

726
00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:30,560
Speaker 1: the right thing when they're doing nothing because they're releasing

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00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:34,480
Speaker 1: ten thousand new garments online a day. Yet they're like, oh,

728
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:36,480
Speaker 1: if you don't want your garments anymore, you can sell

729
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:39,319
Speaker 1: them on Mark's just doing something that is sick. I

730
00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:42,439
Speaker 1: don't think we're going to solve this problem no, by

731
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:44,640
Speaker 1: any means, but it is good to hash it out

732
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:46,200
Speaker 1: a little bit. But it's good to this. It's good

733
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Speaker 1: that this documentary has brought awareness to it because I

734
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:51,920
Speaker 1: feel like it's people are talking about it on social media.

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Speaker 1: It does make you double Yeah, it makes you think twice.

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Speaker 1: It does make you think twice. Well, on that note,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for listening to today's episode. If

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Speaker 1: you have enjoyed it, could you please make sure you

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741
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