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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the

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Speaker 1: hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm

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Speaker 1: Sophie Tolbert and as it's been the East Along weekend,

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Speaker 1: we thought we would get into the week with a

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Speaker 1: bit of a Q and A. So we've had listeners

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Speaker 1: send in some questions and we thought we would kick

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Speaker 1: it off with a question. We keep getting asked quite

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Speaker 1: a bit, and this has ever since Claire Stevens from

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Speaker 1: Mamma Mia launched her podcast but Are You Happy? So

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Speaker 1: for those who haven't listened to the podcast, she spoke

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Speaker 1: about the relationship between twins and the feeling of being

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Speaker 1: jealous of your sibling, and the listener wrote, after listening

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Speaker 1: to Claire Stevens' new podcast, EPP, can you relate to

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Speaker 1: those feelings? I feel like that sense of comparison is

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Speaker 1: something that every multiple birth experiences during their life. It

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Speaker 1: was a big part of our life, even though we

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Speaker 1: weren't in direct competition with each other. It's hard when

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Speaker 1: you're exactly the same age and have grown up in

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Speaker 1: the same environment. It's just normal for you to compare

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Speaker 1: yourself to each other and how you're going at school.

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Speaker 1: You said that we weren't in direct competition with each other,

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Speaker 1: but I almost feel like we were because we all

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Speaker 1: ended up studying journalism and doing a master's. We then

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Speaker 1: all went out into the workforce at the same time,

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Speaker 1: and with journalism it was a particularly competitive industry, and

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Speaker 1: we were told that we would all never work in

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Speaker 1: the same newsrooms. I didn't notice competition while we were

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Speaker 1: at school. I more felt it when we went out

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Speaker 1: into the workforce, and I think that's what Claire and

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Speaker 1: Jesse experienced as well. See. I don't think that you

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Speaker 1: felt it at school, but I think Kate and I

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Speaker 1: did because Amy was friends with a lot of the boys,

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Speaker 1: because you were more sporty growing up, a bit of

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Speaker 1: a tomboy, and I think that I don't know, I'm

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Speaker 1: probably speaking for you, Kate, but I remember being quite

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Speaker 1: jealous of you because I felt like you were more popular.

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Speaker 1: You got SRC rep all the time, you got sports captains. See.

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Speaker 1: I really felt that, particularly in year seven because Amy

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Speaker 1: and then Sophie, you were the SRC rep and I

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Speaker 1: again nothing. So I felt like I was the loser

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Speaker 1: triplet that didn't have anything in yet set. And I

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Speaker 1: think it was so hard because growing up, our mum

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Speaker 1: and dad made an effort to make everything fair, so

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Speaker 1: presents were always fair. Even now, when our mom sends

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Speaker 1: us a birthday message, she writes the exact same thing

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Speaker 1: to make sure it's fair. I do remember in year

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Speaker 1: twelve when the ter scores came out, feeling pretty shit

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Speaker 1: because I got the worst TURS score out of all

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Speaker 1: of us, which was an amazing URT score. I think

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Speaker 1: it was like ninety two point five, which is a

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Speaker 1: great TURS score, But it's hard when you guys got

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Speaker 1: what did you get? Like? So if you got like

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Speaker 1: ninety three, we all finished within a percent of each other,

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Speaker 1: which is similar to Claire and Jesse. Funnily enough, so kay,

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Speaker 1: you got ninety four, I don't know what the descal five.

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Speaker 1: I got ninety three point one five and yet so

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Speaker 1: we were all within a percent of each other. But

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Speaker 1: it was just so lucky because we all did want

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Speaker 1: there was this big emphasis on, oh my gosh, look

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Speaker 1: despite the fact that Amy and I eventually were working

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Speaker 1: again I opened the doors to you guys, and I

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Speaker 1: think that you furthered your career in TV quicker than

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Speaker 1: I got the cadet chip at seven, i'd been working

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Speaker 1: there for about three years prior. But I remember being

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Speaker 1: so happy. But I also felt bad for you guys,

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Speaker 1: like Sophie's going to feel really sad that, like Brandon

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Speaker 1: And I think the difficult thing is that because I

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Speaker 1: When you're in your thirties, there is so much judgment

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Speaker 1: put on your timeline. And for Brandon and I, we

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Speaker 1: does make you question where you are. Well, yeah, I

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Speaker 1: My concern was mainly just for our guests and being last.

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Speaker 1: Like I'm used to navigating life either with you guys

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Speaker 1: or I mean, the wedding was about me and Reese,

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Speaker 1: it's just ridiculous. Wh's not broke though for Claire, because

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Speaker 1: they're both such beautiful girls. And to have someone say that,

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's bad saying on the internet, but people

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Speaker 1: it would be heartbreaking. Is that like a pickup line

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Speaker 1: remember that. Oh. I think a lot of people have

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Speaker 1: said the same thing about sophs blond hair that they prefer. Yeah. No,

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Speaker 1: but I'm just like, how stupid. It's something that you

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Speaker 1: to compare people's appearances. I just think it's gross, particularly

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Speaker 1: when you are identical. The next question is what challenges

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Speaker 1: have you faced and overcome in your industry. I think

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Speaker 1: the journalism world, you can't report on that. That's actually

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Speaker 1: defamatory information. You have to double check your sources, and

432
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Speaker 1: we as you said, Kate, I think we're one of

433
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Speaker 1: the only podcasts out there that does actually name the

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Speaker 1: influences that we're talking and give our real opinions. That's

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Speaker 1: a thing. You can give your opinion on something, which

436
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Speaker 1: is fine, but you can't report on pure speculation and rumor. No.

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Speaker 1: And I think with the influencer updates AU page, people

438
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Speaker 1: need to remember that Amber puts her name and face

439
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Speaker 1: to that as well, and so people are like, oh,

440
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Speaker 1: you're not going hard enough either. It's like, well, she

441
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Speaker 1: started the page because she really likes influences as well.

442
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Speaker 1: And I think that's what people forget about us as well.

443
00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:02,879
Speaker 1: We love influencer culture, like we started out because we

444
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Speaker 1: enjoy following these people. And then you know, I think

445
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Speaker 1: twenty twenty happened and a lot of people woke up

446
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Speaker 1: to you know, maybe we should be questioning what these

447
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Speaker 1: people are doing. They're getting a lot of money, they're

448
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Speaker 1: getting a lot of fame, they're getting a lot of power.

449
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Speaker 1: Should we be challenging this? And sometimes it's just funny

450
00:21:18,359 --> 00:21:20,520
Speaker 1: stuff to talk about stuff that's going on in the

451
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Speaker 1: influence the world is just a bit of a laugh,

452
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Speaker 1: isn't it. And I think that's what I actually love

453
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Speaker 1: most about the podcast. And we have those funny discussions.

454
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Speaker 1: Just to reiterate, we're not saying that we're not going

455
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Speaker 1: to go no whole people accountable, but I just think

456
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Speaker 1: that you've got to be really careful about it, and

457
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Speaker 1: your own personal ethics and also your own journalistic ethics

458
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Speaker 1: come into it. And if we reported on some of

459
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Speaker 1: the stuff that's set on gossip pages or on some

460
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Speaker 1: of these influencer accounts and put our name to it,

461
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Speaker 1: we would be sued instantly, and a lot of people

462
00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:48,960
Speaker 1: would say, oh my god, I can't believe they said that.

463
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Speaker 1: I think that people saying it don't actually understand defamation

464
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Speaker 1: law in Australia. But they're the ones always at a

465
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Speaker 1: hide end behind the fake profiles too, like how dare

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Speaker 1: you not talk about this person? It's like in the

467
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Speaker 1: trol If you want to talk about it and you

468
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Speaker 1: want to create your own podcast and put your name

469
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Speaker 1: and face to it, go ahead, but you'll be sued instantly.

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Speaker 1: Exactly now, on the topic of these influencer watchdog pages,

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Speaker 1: someone asked us if we will be interviewing Amber from

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Speaker 1: Influencer updates AU. Apparently she said on her story that

473
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Speaker 1: she would love to be on the podcast. I think

474
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Speaker 1: that would be great. I think that would be a

475
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Speaker 1: great episode, So if you guys are interested in hearing that,

476
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Speaker 1: let us know. Now. A lot of people have been

477
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Speaker 1: asking us about the Sarah's Day deep dive on Outspoken Plus,

478
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Speaker 1: because obviously there was a bit of a run in

479
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Speaker 1: that we had with Sarah's husband, Kurt Tills, where he

480
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Speaker 1: inadvertently threatened legal action against us. Now they've asked, has

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Speaker 1: we heard anything else from Sarah kirk Crue. I mean,

482
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Speaker 1: let's hope that they're not waiting for the final episode

483
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Speaker 1: to drop or anything like that, But so far we

484
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Speaker 1: haven't heard anything. And someone said, is this going to

485
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Speaker 1: change what you do? No, I stand by what we're doing.

486
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Speaker 1: We're merely reporting on facts and giving our opinion. I

487
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Speaker 1: don't think we have any issues with defamation. I think

488
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Speaker 1: people have forgotten that we studied media law at university

489
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Speaker 1: and we're well aware of what we can and can't say.

490
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Speaker 1: That's the other thing, too, is some of the stuff

491
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Speaker 1: in the Deep Dive is positive about it? Yeah, I

492
00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:11,399
Speaker 1: wouldn't say it's entirely negative. It's actually quite impartial and objective.

493
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Speaker 1: That's not like Sarah and Kurt not to listen to

494
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Speaker 1: something and form an opinion. Someone else asked, have you

495
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Speaker 1: received any legal threats regarding other episodes? Well, we have,

496
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Speaker 1: but they weren't worth the paper that they were written.

497
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Speaker 1: One was from the Kerns, and that was a day

498
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Speaker 1: before we were putting out an episode on them, and

499
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Speaker 1: they had caught wind on it due to something in

500
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Speaker 1: our group saying that you were doing and Basically, we

501
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Speaker 1: still went ahead with the episode because we were soph

502
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Speaker 1: and I were having this debate and so it's like,

503
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Speaker 1: I think we should just pull the whole thing, and

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Speaker 1: I was like no, because I know a lot about media. Lord,

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Speaker 1: I was like, we haven't seen anything bothered though with

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Speaker 1: the drama. There's a whole thing of can you be

507
00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:52,399
Speaker 1: brothered and we've just said no, we're not doing it.

508
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Speaker 1: Like mia Plastic is another one who sent us a

509
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Speaker 1: legal threat and we're like, no, we're not doing it.

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Speaker 1: Because what these people do is they think that people

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Speaker 1: don't know anything about it low and they send you threats,

512
00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:05,480
Speaker 1: and they send you a threat and the idea is

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Speaker 1: that you'll stop and be scared. But no, if you

514
00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:11,399
Speaker 1: haven't done anything. That's also a lot of these people.

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Speaker 1: The thing is, if an influencer wanted to sue us,

516
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Speaker 1: it's a very lengthy, expensive process for them as well.

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Speaker 1: So a lot of people aren't going to fuss over

518
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Speaker 1: some small thing that's been said about them. I mean,

519
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Speaker 1: there could be cases where someone may take it further,

520
00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:27,760
Speaker 1: but again, if we're very certain that we haven't crossed

521
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Speaker 1: any legal lines, then we're comfortable to keep the content up.

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Speaker 1: There's a difference between saying your opinion on something and

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Speaker 1: then also saying something that's completely defamatory. Now people want

524
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Speaker 1: to know this is a little bit different commentary on

525
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Speaker 1: the Taylor Swift Joe Allwan situation. I'm still devastated over this,

526
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Speaker 1: So when you send it through, I was hoping it

527
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Speaker 1: wasn't true. It's wild that they've been together six years.

528
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Speaker 1: I didn't think it was that long. Is it bad

529
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Speaker 1: that I was sad but then excited for the album

530
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Speaker 1: that might potentially come see But I just assumed that

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Speaker 1: they were secretly married because after she released Paper Rings,

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Speaker 1: Everyone's like, oh, they're married. So I just assumed maybe

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Speaker 1: we would hear. And this is me being terrible a

534
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Speaker 1: baby announcement soon. I mean, I hate myself for saying that.

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Speaker 1: Aren't they such a brother sister couple though they're such

536
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Speaker 1: an attractive couple. Well, a lot of swifties were wondering

537
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Speaker 1: where he was on the Eras tour because no one

538
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Speaker 1: had spotted him, and since the breakup announcement, a lot

539
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Speaker 1: of fans have now said that they picked it because

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Speaker 1: on the thirty first of March, apparently Taylor played the

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Speaker 1: song the One and this was the first time she's

542
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Speaker 1: ever played in concert, and the song is about a

543
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Speaker 1: lost romance where she contemplates what her life would have

544
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Speaker 1: been like if she had stayed together. Interestingly, the song

545
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Speaker 1: she dropped was Invisible String, which is about soulmates getting together.

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Speaker 1: It just breaks my heart. I am a bit surprised

547
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Speaker 1: about the reporting because most of the time when celebrities

548
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Speaker 1: break up, they put out a professional statement from their

549
00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:52,000
Speaker 1: PR team. But all people are going on at the

550
00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:55,320
Speaker 1: moment is just a confirmed source. It was Et that

551
00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:57,480
Speaker 1: broke the story, and I think a lot of people thought, well,

552
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Speaker 1: it's Et. I think a few weeks ago they were

553
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Speaker 1: reporting that they were married. However, now People magazine has

554
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:05,160
Speaker 1: come out and said they've split. Everyone's gone a fuck.

555
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Speaker 1: That must be serious, Demire the gossip site. She put

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Speaker 1: out there that she had been receiving a few messages

557
00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:14,760
Speaker 1: about rumors, but then she heard from another source that

558
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Speaker 1: it was bullshit. So she seemed quite shocked by this news.

559
00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:20,040
Speaker 1: But Taylor and Joe are never putting out a statement

560
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Speaker 1: because they've kept their relationship private the whole time, so

561
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Speaker 1: there's no way they're going to announce. Oh, by the way,

562
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Speaker 1: we've started. I think it'd be better because it would

563
00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:29,040
Speaker 1: lead to less speculation about what's going on. You'll be

564
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Speaker 1: able to tell where her next album and I hope.

565
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Speaker 1: I know this is terrible because I feel so bad

566
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Speaker 1: for Taylor Swift that something shit happens in her life.

567
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Speaker 1: But there's a part of everyone that's like, oh, this

568
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Speaker 1: will be some good songs, because I really do like

569
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Speaker 1: her new album. I didn't like the other two, the

570
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Speaker 1: Folklore and evermore, I'm hoping she brings out some banger

571
00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:49,600
Speaker 1: breakup songs because they have best. That's her bread and butter.

572
00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:52,520
Speaker 1: And I know she's been doing some that aren't about

573
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Speaker 1: her and about other people, but I don't think there

574
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Speaker 1: is good It's a bit sad though the attention has

575
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Speaker 1: to be taken away from the earrors to her to

576
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Speaker 1: report on this, you know. I mean, it's such a

577
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Speaker 1: huge thing happening in her career now the focus is

578
00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:06,080
Speaker 1: on all is Joe. At one of the concerts, I

579
00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:09,639
Speaker 1: saw one comment under an article and it said, what

580
00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:12,040
Speaker 1: is wrong with hair? Why can't she keep a man?

581
00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:16,160
Speaker 1: It's like, why isn't necessarily something wrong with Taylor Streak?

582
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Speaker 1: It was a six year relationship that's pretty successful to

583
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Speaker 1: be with someone for six years now. Someone's kindly written,

584
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Speaker 1: did you guys have a good Easter? And I mean,

585
00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:26,639
Speaker 1: if you listened last week, you would have known that

586
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:28,679
Speaker 1: Kate and I both had COVID, So it was a

587
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:31,359
Speaker 1: different Easter for us. Was a very flat easter. By

588
00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:35,080
Speaker 1: Easter Saturday, it was actually spent doing the Forever Young trend.

589
00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:37,359
Speaker 1: Have you seen that on TikTok? Yeah? You sent us

590
00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:39,600
Speaker 1: so many pictures they were so funny. Yeah, So if

591
00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:41,800
Speaker 1: you haven't seen it already, it's basically where you take

592
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:44,240
Speaker 1: a photograph of yourself and you put it through this

593
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:47,399
Speaker 1: app called face App, and you can turn yourself old

594
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:50,880
Speaker 1: and it's realistic, and you can also change your hairstyle.

595
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Speaker 1: I've seen a lot of people going from brunette to blonde,

596
00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:56,359
Speaker 1: and they'd be like should I Everyone actually looks so

597
00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:58,359
Speaker 1: good blonde like when they do it's the app. I

598
00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:01,160
Speaker 1: don't think the color would actually look good well. Going

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Speaker 1: into my Easter, it was a bit of a weird

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Speaker 1: one because I didn't catch COVID. So it was our

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Speaker 1: dad's birthday on the Friday, so I got to spend

602
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Speaker 1: the night with him and we did party, food and

603
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:14,000
Speaker 1: It was fun. But then, because I'm so used to

604
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Speaker 1: hanging out with you guys on Easter, we planned to

605
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:18,359
Speaker 1: have this big day at Bland National Park and do

606
00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:21,040
Speaker 1: your big Easter egg hunts and food and everything. So

607
00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:23,200
Speaker 1: it was kind of a bit flat this weekend watching

608
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:25,920
Speaker 1: everyone else have their Eastern We're doing that next weekend, don't.

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00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:27,879
Speaker 1: We were having sort of Easter two point zero, but

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Speaker 1: Kate and I spent Easter Sunday together because we boy

611
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Speaker 1: had COVID, so we were better. Like we're on day

612
00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:35,840
Speaker 1: eight or something. Now someone's asked us, have you guys

613
00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:38,680
Speaker 1: always had the same one best friend. I love that

614
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:40,800
Speaker 1: people have picked up that we're always talking about our

615
00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:44,640
Speaker 1: best friend Owen. The thing is, we're all best friends,

616
00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:46,240
Speaker 1: like the four of us, so we have our own

617
00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:49,040
Speaker 1: little group. But growing up, we always had an individual

618
00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:51,800
Speaker 1: best friend, which was really nice for us because I

619
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:55,040
Speaker 1: think that we needed those separate people. But as we've

620
00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:57,800
Speaker 1: gotten older, I think we've actually gotten closer. Yeah. I

621
00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:00,440
Speaker 1: mean at work, you'd always have your work friends that

622
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:02,440
Speaker 1: were sort of separate from each other as well, and

623
00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:04,719
Speaker 1: even now someone might make a new friend, but we

624
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:06,760
Speaker 1: also to just end up hanging out together in a

625
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:09,080
Speaker 1: big ground. I think I heard Claire and Jesse Stevens

626
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:12,120
Speaker 1: talking about them again on a podcast, saying how when

627
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Speaker 1: Claire I think she moved to the US or Europe

628
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:17,080
Speaker 1: or something and Jesse came over and it was really

629
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Speaker 1: weird because Claire was friends with these people, but they

630
00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:22,160
Speaker 1: weren't her friend like they were and she was trying

631
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Speaker 1: to become Tommy with them and they're like, nah, they

632
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:25,240
Speaker 1: didn't want to bor of it. They just wanted to

633
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Speaker 1: be Claire's friend. And I really related to that, because, yeah,

634
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Speaker 1: if I make a new friend, I always liked them

635
00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:32,240
Speaker 1: to be friends with you guys too, because you're a

636
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:35,200
Speaker 1: big part of my life. Now. This is a controversial one,

637
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:38,800
Speaker 1: someone said wedding updates because some people love the wedding updates,

638
00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:41,160
Speaker 1: some people hate it. So maybe fast forward if you

639
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:43,960
Speaker 1: don't want to hear about our weddings. I have done

640
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:46,560
Speaker 1: a lot of wedding planning this weekend because there's been

641
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:48,840
Speaker 1: so much football on in my house. I've had to

642
00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:53,120
Speaker 1: do something, so I have been reaching out to celebrants.

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Speaker 1: I have locked in accommodation because my wedding falls on

644
00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:01,360
Speaker 1: the March Long weekend in Adelaide and I am so

645
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Speaker 1: stressed at the accommodation getting booked out, so I have

646
00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:08,160
Speaker 1: locked somewhere in. What else have I done? Amy? You

647
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:11,240
Speaker 1: keep sending me so many different dresses. I'm so stressed

648
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Speaker 1: about dresses at the moment because Adelaide it doesn't have

649
00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:17,480
Speaker 1: many spots to look for a wedding dress, and it does,

650
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Speaker 1: but you are very picky. Well, I love so many

651
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Speaker 1: of the dresses from Kaya Studios and they have this

652
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:26,960
Speaker 1: concierge service and basically you can pay to get a

653
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Speaker 1: couple of them sent over. But it's such a risk

654
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Speaker 1: because you have to pay ninety dollars each gown you

655
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Speaker 1: want sent over. But can you just do it? Because

656
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:37,800
Speaker 1: I'm so sick of hearing about it. Literally you tell

657
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Speaker 1: me the same thing over and over again. I'm like, yeah, cool,

658
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:40,920
Speaker 1: just do it. Then you're like, oh, will you come

659
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:43,480
Speaker 1: look at dress? I like them, and then I'll lose

660
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Speaker 1: that money. But don't you have to do it soon?

661
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Speaker 1: Because don't they take like a year a gas? And

662
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Speaker 1: then I ask is any point though? Because it's April now,

663
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:52,640
Speaker 1: some of them take nine months, Amy, you need to

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Speaker 1: get your dress. I'm very concerned about it because you

665
00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:57,480
Speaker 1: was telling me the other day that you just might

666
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Speaker 1: get a normal white dress, any wedding dress. I'm like, no,

667
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Speaker 1: I didn't say that. It's just that I don't really

668
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Speaker 1: like as in, I want to look nice, but I

669
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Speaker 1: want a really traditional, like simple dress, domming timeless. Yeah,

670
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:14,800
Speaker 1: well timeless traditional. I'm not one of those brides that

671
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:16,400
Speaker 1: you know want to be brides that have the big

672
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:19,760
Speaker 1: puffy dress and you know it's all about me. Still

673
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:23,440
Speaker 1: need to get that item, Honey, I have been looking.

674
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Speaker 1: You can't leave that till the last minute. I told

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Speaker 1: you guys that I've locked us in. I'm going to

676
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Speaker 1: lock us in for a date either next week or

677
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Speaker 1: the following week. And Amy, you don't have to try

678
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Speaker 1: the dresses on. I will try them on for imagine

679
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:37,120
Speaker 1: you get me to try them on for you don't

680
00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:39,720
Speaker 1: keep sending me these dresses that are like seven K.

681
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:42,520
Speaker 1: And I'm like, you keep sending me all these expensive

682
00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:44,960
Speaker 1: dress to that do you like this one? And I'm like, yeah,

683
00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:48,120
Speaker 1: that was still why they aren't that price. That was

684
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:50,920
Speaker 1: the old prize. Yeah, but I'm not anyway. I'm just saying, Amy,

685
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:52,960
Speaker 1: I hate to break it to you, but wedding dresses

686
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:55,760
Speaker 1: are expenses. I know they're expensive, but in my mind,

687
00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:58,160
Speaker 1: I go, oh, I'd rather spend five grand on a

688
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:00,840
Speaker 1: honeymoon as opposed to one dress. And I'm gonna wear

689
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:03,320
Speaker 1: for one day. I know. But also, you don't want

690
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:04,920
Speaker 1: to get to your wedding day and be like, oh

691
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:08,880
Speaker 1: my god, what the fuck are I wearing? Because that's you. Literally,

692
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:10,800
Speaker 1: you have you need to have a dress for your

693
00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:14,240
Speaker 1: engagement party the day before, so you've always there's always

694
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Speaker 1: a backup dress. No, you're not using mine. I'm joking.

695
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:20,400
Speaker 1: I just want to go to Melbourne. Maybe we'll have

696
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:22,440
Speaker 1: to get some sort of deal meet up with listeners

697
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Speaker 1: in Melbourne or something as an excuse to get to

698
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:27,920
Speaker 1: a well dress. No, but I mean like to get

699
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:29,959
Speaker 1: you in eight k over there because you guys are

700
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:32,360
Speaker 1: refusing to come with me. That's what's so irritating is

701
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:35,320
Speaker 1: Sophie thinks that everything's better because it's in like Melbourne,

702
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:38,040
Speaker 1: or like you're gonna go over there and then you're

703
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:40,560
Speaker 1: gonna go, oh, I don't even like these dresses. I've

704
00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:42,160
Speaker 1: got a bet on that Sopha's going to go back

705
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:44,120
Speaker 1: to Bridelove where I got mine and just pick one

706
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:46,800
Speaker 1: that we liked when she originally tried. She's not She's

707
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:49,480
Speaker 1: gonna be so annoying about them. Can any if anyone's

708
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:52,360
Speaker 1: seen any nice bridal dresses, please send me a link through.

709
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Speaker 1: The worst thing about you, soph Is, I know you'll

710
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:56,680
Speaker 1: get the dress and you'll like love it when you

711
00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:58,200
Speaker 1: get it, and then it will arrive and it will

712
00:32:58,240 --> 00:32:59,800
Speaker 1: be like a month out from your wedding and you'll

713
00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:03,000
Speaker 1: be like, I'm not sure I like it anymore. See,

714
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Speaker 1: I think I unfollow all of the bridle pages once

715
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:07,440
Speaker 1: I get it. See. I think that's actually really normal

716
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:09,320
Speaker 1: because I went through that and then ended up loving

717
00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:11,800
Speaker 1: my dress, So I think that's something. Once you've locked in,

718
00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:14,080
Speaker 1: there's always a bit of uncertainty because there's so much

719
00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:17,040
Speaker 1: time to wait. Now, someone asked me what was quite

720
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:19,640
Speaker 1: funny because a legitimate person sent this question in, but

721
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:22,400
Speaker 1: then also race did thinking that it was anonymous, but

722
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:25,560
Speaker 1: it said how Yeah, he said, how is married life going?

723
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:27,760
Speaker 1: And everyone keeps asking me this, and I'm like, it's

724
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:30,080
Speaker 1: literally no different in terms of because we were living

725
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:33,320
Speaker 1: together before. It's obviously really nice. But I feel a

726
00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:35,880
Speaker 1: lot of pressure at the moment because people think now

727
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:37,960
Speaker 1: that I'm married that they can just flat out ask

728
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:40,280
Speaker 1: me about when I'm having kids. Like I had one

729
00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:42,000
Speaker 1: of my mum's friends who I love, come up and

730
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:44,840
Speaker 1: just grab my stomach at Savey's engagement party and just

731
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:48,000
Speaker 1: like pressure me. So that's been going on a bit.

732
00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:50,480
Speaker 1: I am trying to plan our honeymoon at the moment. People.

733
00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:52,840
Speaker 1: I got to say though, people who do that, they've

734
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:55,920
Speaker 1: only got the best intentions because we are getting older

735
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:58,600
Speaker 1: and they want to encourage everybody to have kids. So

736
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:00,600
Speaker 1: it's only like a nice thing, but it can feel

737
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:04,720
Speaker 1: very stressful. Now someone's asked us for our weekly recommendations.

738
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:08,560
Speaker 1: They've suggested maybe we could incorporate weekly recommendations in our

739
00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:11,400
Speaker 1: podcast episodes. Do people want to hear that? I don't know.

740
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:13,399
Speaker 1: Happy to do it? I think it depends how good

741
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:16,200
Speaker 1: the recommendations are. So maybe not every week? No, No,

742
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:18,080
Speaker 1: I disagree. I think if you're going to do it,

743
00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:20,200
Speaker 1: you commit to doing it every week because it doesn't

744
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:22,600
Speaker 1: have to be just a TV show. He can be

745
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:26,480
Speaker 1: a recipe or a product or something. Do you consume

746
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:30,880
Speaker 1: a lot of content? So maybe yeah, Well does anyone

747
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:33,640
Speaker 1: have a weekly recommend Yes? So I have been out

748
00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:37,000
Speaker 1: of routine very badly because I've been in COVID lockdown

749
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:39,520
Speaker 1: and I keep staying up really late watching the new

750
00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:42,520
Speaker 1: series of Love Is Blind, and I watched I think

751
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:44,720
Speaker 1: I've watched all of them, but this one has actually

752
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:46,760
Speaker 1: made me be off my phone and watch it properly.

753
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:49,120
Speaker 1: It's really good and I really want people that I

754
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:51,279
Speaker 1: can talk about it with. So please can some of

755
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:53,120
Speaker 1: our listeners watch it and you too as well. I

756
00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:54,640
Speaker 1: think I'm going to start watching because I saw a

757
00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:59,120
Speaker 1: few clips on TikTok oh. It's good. My recommendation is

758
00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:01,680
Speaker 1: everyone has to go listen to the Diary of a

759
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:05,759
Speaker 1: CEO podcast Revolutionary. Yeah. I know everyone listens to it,

760
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:09,840
Speaker 1: but I have NonStop been talking about episode two hundred

761
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:12,040
Speaker 1: and thirty six. It's called Doctor and Therapist to the

762
00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:15,399
Speaker 1: World Superstars. Justin Bieber, Miley Cyrus and Bella had did

763
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:19,360
Speaker 1: Doctor Amen and he's been talking about different brain types

764
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:22,040
Speaker 1: and apparently there's sixteen different brain types and there's a

765
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:24,080
Speaker 1: quizy you can do to work out which one you are,

766
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:27,200
Speaker 1: and he basically talks about brain health. And so when

767
00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:29,839
Speaker 1: I work with a client and it's related to brain health,

768
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:32,399
Speaker 1: so I found it absolutely fascinating. We were actually doing

769
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:34,560
Speaker 1: the quiz with our partners, and it was so funny

770
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:37,359
Speaker 1: the difference in answers, because we were like to reach

771
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:40,960
Speaker 1: like what level is your self assurance? And it was like,

772
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:44,320
Speaker 1: oh yeah, fantastic and stuff like gez and it was

773
00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:46,160
Speaker 1: like when do you ever have negative thoughts? It was

774
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:49,000
Speaker 1: like no, Like his mental health is so good. I'm

775
00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:52,520
Speaker 1: like answering Mart. I'm like what they basically do though,

776
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:56,319
Speaker 1: is they send you through a breakdown of your brain

777
00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:59,080
Speaker 1: type and it literally just describes you perfectly. But what

778
00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:01,919
Speaker 1: was funny was the boys descriptions of their brain type

779
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:04,200
Speaker 1: was probably like three pars, whereas when it sent Kate

780
00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:06,239
Speaker 1: and mine back, it was like six pars. Are like

781
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:10,160
Speaker 1: what the hell? Well, my recommendation is the JK Rolling

782
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:13,759
Speaker 1: Witch Trials and it is such an interesting listen. It's

783
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:18,359
Speaker 1: basically a podcast, but it's like a documentary and so good. Yeah.

784
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:21,359
Speaker 1: The journalist interviews JK Rolling and also a number of

785
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:26,120
Speaker 1: trans advocates, so it's really fascinating to have it broken

786
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:30,040
Speaker 1: down what's been said on Jk's end and also how

787
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:33,440
Speaker 1: it affected the trans community. It's fascinating. Well, I think

788
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:35,160
Speaker 1: we could go on and on. We were only meant

789
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:37,520
Speaker 1: to be doing a quick one. If anyone does like

790
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:39,759
Speaker 1: this style of show, please let us know because we

791
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:42,359
Speaker 1: can do some more for Outspoken Plus. If you do

792
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:44,759
Speaker 1: want to subscribe to Outspoken Plus, you can do so

793
00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:47,239
Speaker 1: via the link in the show notes, on Apple Podcasts

794
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:49,840
Speaker 1: or on Patreon. It's very exciting that we're finally on

795
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:52,200
Speaker 1: Patreon because we did have a lot of our Android

796
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:54,600
Speaker 1: friends saying that they were upset that they couldn't get

797
00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:57,000
Speaker 1: Outspoken Plus. So you can now get it. See, I've

798
00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:59,719
Speaker 1: never used Patreon before, so I think we're going to

799
00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:01,680
Speaker 1: have to a video to explain people how you can

800
00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:04,520
Speaker 1: actually listen, because basically you can listen via the app,

801
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:06,839
Speaker 1: and then you can actually take the RSS feed, which

802
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:09,319
Speaker 1: is basically just what links the podcast, and you can

803
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:12,200
Speaker 1: put it in your Spotify feeds. It's a lot easier,

804
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:14,480
Speaker 1: so it's a lot easier to integrate into how you

805
00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:16,680
Speaker 1: normally listen. So rather than just going to Patreon and

806
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:18,480
Speaker 1: seeing if we've got a new episode, it should pop

807
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:21,080
Speaker 1: up in your Spotify, we need you to break that

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Speaker 1: down because I am lost this week. Well, this podcast

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00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:28,920
Speaker 1: was recorded on the traditional land of the Ghana people

810
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:31,680
Speaker 1: of the Adelaide Planes. We pay respect to Elder's past

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814
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 1: ago that we have been copying it basically from a

815
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Speaker 1: lot of Sarah's stance. We haven't even listened to the podcast,

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Speaker 1: leaving us one star review, so if you do listen

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Speaker 1: us up a little bit more. Yeah, that would be nice. Yeah,