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Speaker 1: Now just taking you across and joining us live on

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Speaker 1: the line right now is the leader of the opposition,

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Speaker 1: Selena you Bo. Good morning to you, Selena.

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Speaker 2: Good morning Katie.

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Speaker 1: Now Selena plenty to cover off on this morning, but

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Speaker 1: I understand that you are set to make a bit

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Speaker 1: of a shadow ministry reshuffle or refresh What exactly are

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Katie, it's exciting. We've had a chance to reflect

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Speaker 2: over the last nearly twelve months of this new government,

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Speaker 2: so we've been out there listening, learning some of the

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Speaker 2: main concerns again and really just seeing what things we

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Speaker 2: can turn into action. So what we've decided to do

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Speaker 2: as a labor team is to pick up on some

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Speaker 2: a lot here in the territory and actually turn them

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Speaker 2: into shadow portfolios that we can really show territories that

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Speaker 2: we're not only listening, but we want to see an

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Speaker 2: what we can help deliver in opposition to make the

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Speaker 1: So what do some of those or what are some

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Speaker 1: of those new shadow portfolios?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so obviously the cost of living is a huge

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Speaker 2: concern for all territorians, so we've actually made that into

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Speaker 2: a portfolio. This is not something that the government has Katie.

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Speaker 2: So we've done this because of those conversations we've had

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Speaker 2: in so many different conversations, so many different situations, particularly

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Speaker 2: territory at Katie, so we put that one as a

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Speaker 2: standalone shadow portfolio. Of course, some of the other ones

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Speaker 2: And then just some of the feedback, particularly over the

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Speaker 2: I'm very proud to now be holding, and we've coupled

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Speaker 2: that with Equality because we know we don't want to

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Speaker 2: do we also make sure that people know that we're

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Speaker 2: we also have this agenda which is basically the reflection

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Speaker 1: Well oppositionally. One of those portfolios, as you've touched on

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Speaker 1: Status taking into account as well. What he said there.

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Speaker 1: He said that Commonwealth legislation, which was introduced in two

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Speaker 2: I think definitely any review of any laws that helped

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Speaker 2: And I think that will always be something that we

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Speaker 1: Oppositionally to a couple of other topics, I want to

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Speaker 1: get through quickly the OC spray rollout. We know that

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Speaker 2: Well, I think it's important to understand, Katie, that there

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Speaker 1: Look, I know that they did roll out there reducing

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Speaker 1: I'm yet to speak to the Chief Minister about that strategy.

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Speaker 2: Ah Katie, I was very concerned. I've spoken directly with

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Speaker 2: like our schools. So it now means that even though

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Speaker 2: there was a billion dollars extra for anti public schools

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Speaker 2: that was delivered by our former labor government, we are

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Speaker 2: now going to see a lot of that money ben

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Speaker 2: spent on just keeping the lights on overhead. They're not

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Speaker 2: going to go to the resources that are much needed

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Speaker 2: in our public schools, like extra teachers, like support stuff

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Speaker 2: like school counselors, like specialists areas like school nurses and

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Speaker 2: having those partnerships in schools. This money is going to

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Speaker 2: purely go to keeping the lights, econs, fans on, heaters

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Speaker 2: on for the central mobdown south. I think that is

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Speaker 2: a huge concern. This was not something that the government

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Speaker 2: was upfront about. And now our schools, ultimately, our territory

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Speaker 2: kids and our teachers are the ones who are going

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Speaker 2: to lose out well.

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Speaker 1: And look the way that I see it, as I

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Speaker 1: was talking to Ruth Myram's about this yesterday and again

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Speaker 1: I'll speak to the Chief Minister about this a little

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Speaker 1: bit later. But you know, if we're talking potentially a

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Speaker 1: few thousand dollars every month for some schools, that could

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Speaker 1: mean the funding of a teacher's that helps kids in

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Speaker 1: the classroom. So I really think that we've got to

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Speaker 1: get this right. We have to make sure that we're

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Speaker 1: not sort of unfairly. And I understand you know that

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Speaker 1: the government can't keep those power prices the same forever,

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Speaker 1: but when you're talking about our government schools and it

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Speaker 1: then potentially impacting their budgets, we have to make sure

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Speaker 1: that we get the balance right.

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Speaker 2: I agree, Katie, And it should not be our schools

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Speaker 2: that suffer. They're not businesses. They're not out there making

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Speaker 2: money to then cover the cost out there to support

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Speaker 2: our kids to make sure that they have the best

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Speaker 2: opportunity for education and learning so that they can be

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Speaker 2: strong territories in the future. And I think that this

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Speaker 2: is a huge lap in the face for everyone who

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Speaker 2: has worked tirelessly to make sure our public schools are

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Speaker 2: fully funded, which they are now, but now they've got

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Speaker 2: this other hurdle to go through and I think it's

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Speaker 2: been very, very disappointing to hear that the government did

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Speaker 2: not from the outright speak about how this would impact

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Speaker 2: our schools. Well.

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Speaker 1: Opposition leader Selena Youbo good to speak to you this morning.

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Speaker 1: Thanks so much for your time.

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Speaker 2: Thank you very much, Katie. Thanks, thank you to you