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Speaker 1: Well, we have just learned that the Minister for Local Government,

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Speaker 1: Chancey Paigs today place the Berkley Regional Council under official

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Speaker 1: management and all elected members have been suspended from office.

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Speaker 1: Now joining me in the studio is the Darwin Lord

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Speaker 1: Mayor convat Scarlars. Good morning to Yukon.

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Speaker 2: Good morning kid. But I can't comment on that as

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Speaker 2: the mayor of the Mayor of Darwin. But I can

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Speaker 2: comment as the president of a logo. Yes, associate you

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Speaker 2: so can.

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Speaker 1: I ask you? This isn't the first time that this

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Speaker 1: has happened. Palmerston was placed under under that management and

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Speaker 1: number of years back as well.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely. Look, there is the Local Government Act. All councils

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Speaker 2: are bound to comply with the Act. If you don't

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Speaker 2: comply with the Act, don't blame anybody else but yourself.

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Speaker 2: Obviously the problem Buckley. I'm aware that two CEOs resigned

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Speaker 2: within twelve to eighteen months. Are the pit resigned? There

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Speaker 2: was in fighting. I could hear that one was happening.

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Speaker 2: It's not for me to short it out. It's for

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Speaker 2: the council themselves to short it out. And I'm disappointed

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Speaker 2: to that stage when the Minister has to intervene and

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Speaker 2: actually suspend the council. It gives a really bad name

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Speaker 2: to local government. But local government is not a bad place.

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Speaker 2: It's a good place. Now in the past eight years.

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Speaker 1: Sounds like it's a basket case at the.

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Speaker 2: Partly obviously basket case. Now in the past eight years,

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Speaker 2: who had two councils in the territory suspended. You go

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Speaker 2: down south and you've got suspensions every day. Again, that's

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Speaker 2: not an excuse. My advice to the local government here

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Speaker 2: the territory is behave yourself, comply with the act. Don't

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Speaker 2: blame that anybody else. Look inwards and see what you've

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Speaker 2: done right, what you've done wrong. I'm not going there

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Speaker 2: to defend you if you don't do the right thing.

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Speaker 2: I'm going actually to tell tough biggie guys, you behave yourself,

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Speaker 2: you comply with the act. Minister has to act is

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Speaker 2: bad to act under the legislation, and he acted well.

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Speaker 1: Fundamentally, councils are elected by territorians to do their jobs.

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Speaker 1: If you're not doing it, Oran expect councils to do

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Speaker 1: that exactly. And if you're not doing your job, and

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Speaker 1: if you're not managing things properly. You do then expect

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Speaker 1: the government to step in.

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Speaker 2: Make it clear. I don't think they's got to do

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Speaker 2: match with the mayor because he suspended the whole council.

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Speaker 2: Otherwise you could suspend only the mayor because the mayor

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Speaker 2: still has to face investigator by the police. Do you

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Speaker 2: suspend the whole council? And the thing it means it

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Speaker 2: was the whole council at fault, not one individual.

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Speaker 1: Interesting stuff, No doubt there'll be some further detail come through.

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Speaker 1: I mean con in your role though, as the local

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Speaker 1: government head, local government association head, I mean, are we

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Speaker 1: talking about mismanagement of money here? Do you know what

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Speaker 1: we're talking It's something.

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Speaker 2: To be investigated. That's why they appointed the investigator. What

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Speaker 2: I was here in the Great Barn was in fighting.

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Speaker 2: There were people there waiting campaign against others, which is

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Speaker 2: really really bad if you've got such a division a council.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it truly is. And what it does is it

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Speaker 1: means that you're not actually doing your job for the people.

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Speaker 2: And the thing is, please people that you're electing council.

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Speaker 2: Leave your egos and your ambitions outside the door when

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Speaker 2: you enter the chambers and work the best for your people.

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Speaker 1: Well, no doubt, we'll find out more detail about this

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Speaker 1: over the coming days. Con I do want to ask

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Speaker 1: you what was your reaction to the voice to the

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Speaker 1: resounding no vice.

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Speaker 2: Not surprised, Not surprised at all. From the very beginning

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Speaker 2: when I was talking to people who were asking me

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Speaker 2: what I thought, I said, it's going to be lost,

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Speaker 2: and it's going to be lost because the government not

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Speaker 2: come out with you know, campaign or one, tell people

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Speaker 2: what you actually want to do, How is it going

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Speaker 2: to work, what is going to be? What we look like?

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Speaker 2: We didn't have any of this information. So I'm not

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Speaker 2: surprised that people says, well, what am I going to vote?

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Speaker 2: Trust me? Does work anymore? People want to have a

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Speaker 2: concrete evidence before them to make a decision. The government

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Speaker 2: left a void. That void was filled with misinformation and doubt.

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Speaker 1: Speaking of coin, someone's just messaged through and said, can

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Speaker 1: you please ask about reconciliation, which is listed as a

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Speaker 1: major work on both or on the Darwin and Palmerston

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Speaker 1: your Rights Explained pamphlet. Yep, So what exactly is the

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Speaker 1: go with that? I suppose people want, you know, what's that.

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Speaker 2: Name Reconciliations bringing all communities together, a digitious community and

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Speaker 2: non Digenous community, and we do that very very well

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Speaker 2: in every day. We've got a significant number of employees

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Speaker 2: has got the significant Edigenous population. Sorry about my voice, guys,

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Speaker 2: but it seems like I've got something. But I will

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Speaker 2: talk about it because it's important to understand it. Living

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Speaker 2: that I've been in down With thirty years and I

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Speaker 1: Is it something that's costing money though? Is that why

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Speaker 1: it's only your rights pampilts?

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Speaker 2: No, we try to explain people what reconciliation is. The

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Speaker 2: amount of money we spent for this reconciliation event and

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Speaker 2: council it's minimal. It's very very small.

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Speaker 1: I mean, is it something that the council needs to

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Speaker 2: Even when organization Australia private and non private doing it

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Speaker 2: because they won't maintain the good lession between Indigenous and

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Speaker 1: Con Do you know if tonight I understand council's meeting again.

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Speaker 1: Are we going to have a situation where that motion

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Speaker 1: was moved a few weeks ago where one of the

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Speaker 1: counselors was wanting to actually have council staff be able

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Speaker 1: to wear the Yes campaign shirts and be able to

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Speaker 1: if they chose to support that campaign. That had been

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Speaker 1: delayed basically till tonight after the vice.

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Speaker 2: It's still in the paper to be debated. Yeah, it's

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Speaker 2: up to the council if you wants to actually be debated,

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Speaker 2: which I can't see what will achieve or can we

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Speaker 2: throw it? But still in the paper now.

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Speaker 1: Con We just caught up with Leofanocchiaro, the opposition leader,

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Speaker 1: just after nine o'clock this morning. She is reintroducing some

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Speaker 1: legislation tomorrow around the two kilometer law when it comes

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Speaker 1: to drinking in public now the governments. It pains to

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Speaker 1: say that this law is still in place, but I

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Speaker 1: know that you and I have spoken about it before.

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Speaker 1: It does not seem to be getting well. People are

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Speaker 1: still drinking in public places now. She said that the

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Speaker 1: legislation that she's putting forward would be the police are

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Speaker 1: able to ask someone for their license, They're able to

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Speaker 1: then run a search or or you know, run that

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Speaker 1: Do you think that that will work? Is that something

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Speaker 2: Well, course, only Leah for bringing this legislation on the

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Speaker 2: reality is, first of all, I don't think will pass

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Speaker 2: because you don't have the numbers. I mean, and I'm

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Speaker 2: talking about as a person who's been in PYM before. Second,

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Speaker 2: even if it goes through, who is going to policit?

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Speaker 2: We've got the police are tell us they don't have

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Speaker 2: not police on the streets, who is going to policit

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Speaker 2: because rangers, my rangers cannot don't have the legal power,

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Speaker 2: don't have the authority, and they will not do it.

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Speaker 1: So who at the moment is going around and tipping

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Speaker 2: The police only the police only has the power to

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Speaker 1: And are they doing that?

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Speaker 2: From your perspective, my understanding is where they can they do?

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Speaker 2: Where they're out, they're doing it if they see something

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Speaker 1: Well, so they wouldn't you support this actually happening? Meaning

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Speaker 1: that it's a struct think of the laws I've.

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Speaker 2: Been asking for that enforced the legislation of two kilometer laws.

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Speaker 2: Remember when we have the argument about is it on

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Speaker 2: as well, why it's not happening. That's exactly the police

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Speaker 2: said to us because first of all, we don't have

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Speaker 2: people to put on the street. I understand that. Second

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Speaker 2: is because we can only tip alcohol out and nothing

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Speaker 2: else is strong legislation.

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Speaker 1: So do you support the strengthening of that legislation.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely? I support the lester of the legislation. I support

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Speaker 2: bringing more police on the streets. I support make changes

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Speaker 2: in the roster, may change the arrangements to strengthen the police.

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Speaker 2: The poor baggers, they're doing the best they can returs

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Speaker 2: they've got, and I admire them from them for that.

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Speaker 2: I have given my full support the police, and I

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Speaker 2: will continue to do so. I put proposals on the table.

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Speaker 2: Let me tell you something else. I have a liquor

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Speaker 2: person works in a liquor outlet. It told me make

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Speaker 2: all the transactions in the liquor outlets cast free as

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Speaker 2: a why because a lot of people come and buying

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Speaker 2: huge quotes of alcohol with cash and we can't. You

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Speaker 1: So why are we not strengthening the kissing around with this?

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Speaker 2: Bdo have the BDR to find out who buys alcohol?

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Speaker 2: Limit supply per day use it? If you don't live

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Speaker 2: in down we can only buy so much alcohol.

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Speaker 1: Why is the government not doing that? Like it's there

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Speaker 1: head on it. Well, you might need to, but the

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Speaker 1: BDR is already there. Like you know, people are already

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Speaker 1: presenting their licenses when they go to purchase alcohol. How

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Speaker 1: are we this far in and we've not streamlined it.

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Speaker 2: That's the question I'd be asking to and I get

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Speaker 2: don't get no answer.

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Speaker 1: You know, why are they not listening? Like Marian Strangel

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Speaker 1: joined us on the show yesterday, she said, they need

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Speaker 1: to sit down and they need to listen.

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Speaker 2: Mary and I talked to each other very very often.

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Speaker 2: We've got the same ideas and no Marian for a

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Speaker 2: long time. She's a very strong advoge for Indigenous people

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Speaker 2: and she sees that damage alcohol does to her community.

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Speaker 2: How the hell if you realize that that damage happens

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Speaker 2: to community and of course to the rest of the community,

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Speaker 2: to not step in and take action, well, and the leak,

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Speaker 2: the hospitality industry has been telling me they want tougher measures.

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Speaker 1: Well, they've said to me on numerous occasions they want

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Speaker 1: the BDR to work better. Out that they want the

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Speaker 1: BDR to be able to do things like see how

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Speaker 1: many transactions someone's made, et cetera. I know it will

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Speaker 1: make it hard then for the person working in the

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Speaker 1: liquor store to actually be able to go, well, sorry,

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Speaker 1: you know you can't purchase that alcohol today. And I

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Speaker 1: don't want people in those stores to be put in

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Speaker 1: dangerous situations. But the fact is they're already having to

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Speaker 1: ask for those licenses.

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Speaker 2: Harping about it. I know some people on the fifth

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Speaker 2: floor things, I'm a bastard for bringing it up. I

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Speaker 2: can be a bustard. No't worry about it, because at

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Speaker 2: the end of the day, I live in the city.

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Speaker 2: I hear what people say all the time, and I

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Speaker 2: see it every day. We have to do things. We

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Speaker 2: have to change the way things that knowing the referendum

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Speaker 2: its sensors strong messages, strong messages to federal government and

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Speaker 2: the territory government. Not business as usual. Change your tune,

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Speaker 2: change your action, change your approach to the people, Listen

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Speaker 2: to the people.

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Speaker 1: Corn still a couple of things I want to get

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Speaker 1: through while I've got you in here, so we'll speed

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Speaker 1: through them. The City of Dowin is obviously in collaboration

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Speaker 1: with local architect firm Haim Charlie officially opening the stakeholder

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Speaker 1: and community engagement process for the development of a master

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Speaker 1: plan of Bundilla Beach. What are we going to see there?

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Speaker 1: Are you going to get your RV park?

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Speaker 2: Well, actually, I want to tell me to tell people

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Speaker 2: what they want us to do there. Now the V

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Speaker 2: park with they don't want it there, I can live

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Speaker 2: with it. However, somewhere, however, I hear the grapevine that

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Speaker 2: one of the clubs there wants to put the VY

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Speaker 2: park on the lane. I had a brief meeting with

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Speaker 2: them and the local member and I said, I'm going

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Speaker 2: to support it, and they look I mean, I said,

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Speaker 2: because you're going to bring people in the area. You

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Speaker 2: bring people in the area, you activate. If the people

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Speaker 2: in the air give me the opportunity to put some

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Speaker 2: upgraded spouse supply for food vans so people can come

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Speaker 2: and sit there and weekend and the moment you bring

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Speaker 2: people when you activate the area, all the ref ruff

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Speaker 2: I know some people says, you don't call them ref ruff.

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry. If they commit act of violence, drinking, beat

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Speaker 2: their wives or partners, this is a ref ruff. So

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Speaker 2: they will go away.

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Speaker 1: So Coln, what else would you like to see they're

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Speaker 1: at Bundilla. I know you've said you want Territorians to decide.

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Speaker 2: I want to see the park activate it, put footpaths

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Speaker 2: area where people can ride their bikes, can actually walk.

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Speaker 2: I want to clean the lake and make it a

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Speaker 2: place where people can go and do something. Yeah, I

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Speaker 2: have more control boats. Why they used to do it there?

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Speaker 2: Why we don't do anymore. I would like to see

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Speaker 2: people come and sit down on Sunday afternoon and Saturday

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Speaker 2: afternoon like they do a nightcliff. I would see food vats.

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Speaker 2: I want to see a place where people want to go.

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Speaker 1: Con We did get a message from Gail, one of

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Speaker 1: our listeners, wondering is it true? Can you please check

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Speaker 1: into the supposed renaming of East Point Road to Bundiller Drive.

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Speaker 1: Is this true or just more Facebook crap questions Gile.

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Speaker 2: Gail, don't read and believe what it's on faceboo.

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Speaker 1: Now. We caught up with Holly, one of our listeners

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Speaker 1: yesterday we spoke to her about dog attacks. She was

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Speaker 1: last year attacked by a dog quite severely and had

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Speaker 1: to undergo five or six surgeries to get that sorted out.

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Speaker 1: It also meant that she was out of work for

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Speaker 1: some time. But in addition to that, now she's back

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Speaker 1: out there, she's back running and has been charged a

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Speaker 1: couple of times in both Blood Miller and Coconut Grove

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Speaker 1: and has really sort of raised the question, you know,

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Speaker 1: why can't counsel get those dangerous dogs or get those

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Speaker 1: dogs that are out loose on the streets under control.

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Speaker 2: Well, holy, thank you very much for that. If you

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Speaker 2: see something, please can you report it straight away? Second started,

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Speaker 2: I'd like to control the owners, not the dogs, because

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Speaker 2: it's the irresponsible owners that let the dog out or

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Speaker 2: they don't secure the property, so the dogs can't get us.

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Speaker 1: So what can counsel do if you have got dogs

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Speaker 1: that are on the loose on the street.

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Speaker 2: Your taxpp Now we've got three levels of attack. The

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Speaker 2: new by laws are in effect at the moment. The

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Speaker 2: AGGREVT talk. When somebody a dog attacks a pressure on

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Speaker 2: bite it severely, the dog goes down and the owner's

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Speaker 2: fine up to seventeen thousand.

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Speaker 1: So what do people need to do. Just keep sort

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Speaker 1: of important.

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Speaker 2: Tell us where it is, give us information. We will

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Speaker 2: follow it up. I and Holly, I'm surprised you didn't

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Speaker 2: take a pressure and action against the owner of the

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Speaker 2: dog of dollars. Well I don't know people.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well that's exactly right. Well combat scholars. We better

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Speaker 1: leave it there. Thank you very much for your time.

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Speaker 2: As always, my voice would be better next week.

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Speaker 1: I'm mine scaring as well. I choked earlier on the Corney,

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Speaker 1: so don't worry about it. Thanks Corne