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Speaker 1: Joining me in the studio right now is the Chief

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Speaker 1: Minister of the Northern Territory, Natasha Files.

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Speaker 2: Good morning to you, Good morning Katie, Good morning listeners.

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Speaker 1: Now, Chief Minister. The Matilda's another win on the weekend.

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Speaker 1: It was absolutely incredible stuff.

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Speaker 2: It was amazing, It truly was.

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Speaker 1: I think that everybody around Australia was just going berserk

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Speaker 1: for the Matilda's pretty phenomenal.

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Speaker 2: But the question that's on a lot of people's lips this.

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Speaker 1: Morning, and it continues to get asked, and I think

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Speaker 1: that the Prime Minister is obviously going to have to

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Speaker 1: make a decision around Australia, but it is a state

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Speaker 1: and territory issue. Is there going to be a public

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Speaker 1: holiday if they win?

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Speaker 3: Katie, I don't want to jinx it. I just am

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Speaker 3: so excited that they've come this far. They've got such

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Speaker 3: a great chance and it's a big job. They'll play

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Speaker 3: basically three games within a week, so they've got to

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Speaker 3: play Wednesday night and if they can win that Sunday,

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Speaker 3: so can we just fingers crossed and cheering for them.

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Speaker 1: It's one of those things though that like I get

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Speaker 1: it and I feel the same, but for some of

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Speaker 1: those businesses. They'll be thinking, well, we need a bit

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Speaker 1: of certainty. Is there going to be public holiday or

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Speaker 1: isn't there because it's going to come at an expense

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Speaker 1: to them.

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Speaker 2: So, Katie, I think this is a chance for Territorians.

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Speaker 3: And going back to Saturday's game, you know people out

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Speaker 3: and about and they were watching that game. So obviously

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Speaker 3: Wednesday night, get out, get down to your local club pub,

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Speaker 3: watch the game, support your local businesses. So then maybe

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Speaker 3: I'll have to make a tough decision on Friday.

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Speaker 1: Well, I reckon that you're probably going to have to.

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Speaker 1: You know, that's the way that it's getting it. I

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Speaker 1: know that you know that a lot of like a

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Speaker 1: lot of people around the nation wann a public holiday.

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Speaker 2: A lot of others are very worried about it.

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Speaker 3: I just want the Matildas to win. But Katie, what

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Speaker 3: about if they win Wednesday night. I absolutely respect the

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Speaker 3: businesses and your listeners that run businesses. I'll come back

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Speaker 3: on later in the week.

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Speaker 2: With it's all right, let's let's make those respects. When

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Speaker 2: I watch the sport, I don't like to move. Oh well,

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Speaker 2: I'll tell you what I was like.

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Speaker 1: It was high intensity watching it on Saturday night, and

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Speaker 1: I don't think that there's been like it was an

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Speaker 1: incredible viewing audience. But what I think is absolutely phenomenal

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Speaker 1: is to see Australians getting behind a female sports team

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Speaker 1: in the way that they've gotten behind the Matildas.

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Speaker 3: Katie, As you know, I've got two boys. Not once

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Speaker 3: during this World Cup have they raised the fact about

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Speaker 3: gender or that it's a girl's team. They are so

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Speaker 3: into it and loving the Matildas, but have been watching

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Speaker 3: the different games highlights, just loving the fact that it's

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Speaker 3: world class sport being played in Australia and New Zealand. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: it is awesome stuff.

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Speaker 1: Now let's get into some of the other big issues

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Speaker 1: that have occurred. And on Friday we spoke at length

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Speaker 1: about kids allegedly stealing the school bus at ypre in

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Speaker 1: your school. Many of our audience questioning what consequences the

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Speaker 1: all under the age of criminal responsibility. Now, Chief Finister,

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Speaker 1: this was an incredibly dangerous situation, dangerous to everyone on

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Speaker 2: So, Katie, I need to be careful.

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Speaker 3: I don't want to jeopardize what's going on in investigations

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Speaker 3: But what we've done is we've got twenty trained offices

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Speaker 1: So with this situation, after it's occurred, after the police

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Speaker 3: Exactly, so police would hand those young people to territory

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Speaker 2: So, Katie, it could be a situation that the.

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Speaker 1: Well. So, Gavin Morris, the principle of you for in

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Speaker 1: of that specific circumstance. From the perspective of the legislation,

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Speaker 1: then that is a child protection matter. Well. So obviously

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Speaker 2: Sure that you're responsible for them.

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Speaker 1: But the fact is you've got a group of eight

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Speaker 3: Completely agree with you, Katie, and that is unacceptable. But

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Speaker 3: we have a strong child protection system, So if that

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Speaker 1: So can you talk us through what programs those children

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Speaker 3: So previously, Katie, it would attempt to go through the

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Speaker 3: So what we've done now is acknowledging that is that

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Speaker 1: So it's not an actual program, it's a case management.

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Speaker 3: Situated, Katie, and that's why there's twenty Territory Families staff

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Speaker 1: This a bit of a different story to what we've

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Speaker 1: an example of one of those programs.

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Speaker 3: So, Katie, we refer to it as the back on

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Speaker 1: Is the program that they're going to now have to

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Speaker 2: Of that wrong behavior?

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Speaker 2: So is the young person going to be forced to

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Speaker 3: So, Katie, in terms of the child protection system that

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Speaker 1: Are they going to be forced to do an actual

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Speaker 3: So Katie, it's worked through and every situation is different,

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Speaker 3: It's about making sure that what is going wrong, to

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Speaker 1: Well, it sounds like for some of them a school

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Speaker 3: Before, and so then that sounds and I'm speaking to

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Speaker 2: So I just want to re ask this question.

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Speaker 1: So, have we got a situation here with these children

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Speaker 3: Katie, I would say, yes, they're forced their family and

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Speaker 2: So is there an actual like program is there?

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Speaker 1: You know, like are they going on a boot camp

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Speaker 3: Katie, there's a range of programs that territory families can access.

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Speaker 3: But in changing this age of criminal responsibility, for the

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Speaker 3: because there was no consequence prior, we've put in place

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Speaker 1: Now, there are claims that kids under twelve are being

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Speaker 1: adults as they're going to get away with it. What

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Speaker 2: So, Katie, these matters are still investigated by police.

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Speaker 1: Okay, tell me the school's been pushing really hard. Yiprinya's

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Speaker 2: He believes that some of them have been chroming as well.

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Speaker 3: So, Katie, I didn't hear the interview, but you obviously

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Speaker 3: Authorities can make a response, and I'll give you an

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Speaker 3: So, Katie, when you ring triple zero, A one, three, one,

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Speaker 3: So Katie, we've spoken about this, and there's work around

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Speaker 1: Encourage the audience to do if there are kids out

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Speaker 3: Katie, we need to provide a welfare response to that.

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Speaker 3: We need to respond to that, and the appropriate authority

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Speaker 3: We're negotiating very hard. We've got that aviation attraction package

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Speaker 1: One of the other situations last week that really did

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Speaker 3: So, Katie, there's a huge amount of work being undertaken.

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Speaker 3: So Katie, it is quite a process, but that works

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Speaker 2: Thank you as always for your time. Take care,