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Speaker 1: Well, a very good morning and welcome to the show.

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Speaker 1: And it is our very first week that was live

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Speaker 1: joining us in the studio this morning, I think we're

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Speaker 1: going to Duran Young first from the labor party.

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Speaker 2: Good morning to you, Duran.

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Speaker 3: Good morning Katie, and good morning to all your listeners.

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Speaker 3: It's wonderful to be here. And also congratulations to Justin

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Speaker 3: and Robin are for winning your seats. It's yeah, big

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Speaker 3: congratulations from myself. Ah, good to have you working alongside

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Speaker 2: Good stuff.

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Speaker 1: Good to have you in the studio, mate, thanks so

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Speaker 1: much for joining us. And we've also got Justine Davis,

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Speaker 1: our Independent and she is sharing a mic with Duran,

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Speaker 2: Good morning to you.

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Speaker 4: Hi, Katie.

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Speaker 1: Hey everyone, lovely to have you in this studio again.

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Speaker 1: And from the COLP we've got Robin Carl. Good morning

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Speaker 1: to you, Robin.

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Speaker 4: Oh, good morning Katie.

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Speaker 5: It's wonderful to be here and again and thank you

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Speaker 5: Darren for those congrats, and to Justin as well.

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Speaker 4: It's been quite the month or two.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was probably a good time for me to

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Speaker 2: Good morning masks.

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Speaker 6: This new studio a very different vibe. I've got to say,

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Speaker 6: will for you the last time I was on this.

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Speaker 1: Show, Yeah, it was all pretty intense, wasn't it before

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Speaker 2: And we haven't We've had one week that was since

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Speaker 1: Then I've been away for a few weeks and obviously

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Speaker 1: we won't get a drink, we won't do that. Now,

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Speaker 1: there has been so much happened, as always in a

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Speaker 1: it is being reported quite widely this morning that people

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Speaker 1: The move, which comes just weeks after the COLP party

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Speaker 1: it will throw the region's already fragile justice system into turmoil,

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Speaker 2: Look, it's going to be it's a tough situation.

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Speaker 1: I don't think there's any other way to put it,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, look, this is a very concerning development and Legal

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Speaker 3: Legal Aid did come to us as government requesting that

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Speaker 3: As in twenty twenty two we roughly gave about two

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Speaker 6: Look what Duram is driving the extra demand on NT

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Speaker 3: Oh look, well, obviously they've come forward and said that

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Speaker 2: But what we're asking crime Ultimately.

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Speaker 6: The big issue is the we've seen the absolute dysfunction

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Speaker 6: And I've asked the former Attorney General's office here and

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Speaker 6: The extra burden has been placed on ant legal Aid

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Speaker 5: Think there's another aspect to that as well, Matt, and

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Speaker 4: That needs based funding.

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Speaker 5: And you're right, if we hadn't had this escalation in

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so I'm calling on so are you going to

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Speaker 3: We did in our last budget commit nine million dollars

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Speaker 5: The Attorney the Attorney General is in discussions on this

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Speaker 4: And it is a really quick matter.

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Speaker 5: And as everybody in the committee would know, we have

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Speaker 5: So the commitment that's been made as we will work

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Speaker 1: I mean, does there also though need to be some

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Speaker 6: Well, the issue, as far as I could see it

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Speaker 6: But it meant that you had NAJA continue to be

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Speaker 6: So I mean, it's a total mess, Justine, what do

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Speaker 7: I think, first of all, I just want to say

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Speaker 7: I've done work in this space. I'm really afraid about

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Speaker 2: I mean, and look, we're talking a lot.

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Speaker 1: We are talking about the potential of innocent people ending

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Speaker 1: you know, justice when there has been harm caused against them.

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Speaker 2: And maybe I'm wrong, that's.

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Speaker 8: Not a new issue, Katie.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, the wait times for people, both people who have

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Speaker 5: And it's a matter that's been escalating for a decade

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Speaker 5: So five weeks in after having been sworn in as ministers,

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Speaker 7: So really, if we want to address this issue of crime,

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Speaker 1: Look Unfortunately, it's not the only shocking thing that we've

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Speaker 1: And I know that Matt the Chief Minister Leafanociaro had

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Speaker 4: That's correct, So that's our priority absolutely.

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Speaker 7: Robin, I don't understand how lowering the age of criminal

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Speaker 7: just like when we're talking about domestic violence, we're really

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Speaker 7: concerned and putting energy into doing things which are not

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Speaker 7: going to make any difference. They're not actually going to

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Speaker 7: make us safer. They're in fact going to make us

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Speaker 7: less safe, and they're going to harm children.

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Speaker 8: So I think, and I just so one other thing.

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Speaker 8: I think the.

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Speaker 7: Argument that what we need to do because there are

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Speaker 7: these you know, ten or eleven year olds falling through

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Speaker 7: the gaps that we can't we can't care for, can't intervene.

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Speaker 7: We have legislation already that enables intervention with us.

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Speaker 5: You can't be selective when you listen to frontline workers.

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Speaker 5: You have to listen to all of the frontline workers,

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Speaker 5: not just the children's and families, not just the healthcare

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Speaker 5: So you also have to.

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Speaker 4: Listen to the police.

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Speaker 5: You have to listen to everybody who's involved in frontline work,

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Speaker 5: and the very clear message that we're getting from the

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Speaker 5: frontline workers in the police force is that they are

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Speaker 5: totally helpless when it comes to intervening in those younger kids' lives.

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Speaker 4: And so whilst so I'm not going.

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Speaker 5: To talk about the specifics of what we're going to do,

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Speaker 5: and I understand it's very easy to keep saying, oh,

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Speaker 5: but you can't put them in jail. I've said categorically

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Speaker 5: that is not our intention, and there are processes that

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Speaker 5: are being developed so that that is not what happens.

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Speaker 3: But you're talking about you're not going to put them

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Speaker 3: in jail, But the reality is your policy is that

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Speaker 3: you want to lower the age of criminal responsibility from

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Speaker 3: twelve year olds to ten year old kids that will

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Speaker 3: be in touch with the justice system, which will mean

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Speaker 3: that we will see ten and eleven year old kids,

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Speaker 3: children that are still in primary school being put in

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Speaker 3: front of a court system, having a criminal charge against

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Speaker 3: them which will hold against them for the rest of

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Speaker 3: their life and potentially end up in don Dale.

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Speaker 5: Well, I think if these kids were actually in school,

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Speaker 5: then we'd actually not have the issues that we're having.

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Speaker 4: That's one of the primary issues.

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Speaker 5: We are not these kids aren't in school, they're not attending,

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Speaker 5: they're not getting some of these.

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Speaker 3: Some of the kids are in school, and the reality

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Speaker 3: is that if a ten or eleven year old kid

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Speaker 3: does get in touch with the justice system, actually will

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Speaker 3: have a criminal charge against so much.

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Speaker 2: But does have a duty of care.

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Speaker 1: As the now Minister for Territory Family, so if kids

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Speaker 1: are out on the street and they're running a mark

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Speaker 1: and they are committing crimes, that she's got to do

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Speaker 1: something like something has to be done, and at the

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Speaker 1: moment it has felt for months, if not years, like nothing.

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Speaker 5: One of the first things she was asked for an

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Speaker 5: explanation definition of what a responsible adult is. Where is it,

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Speaker 5: what does it mean, How do we assess that, how

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Speaker 5: do we decide where we're taking those children as responsible

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Speaker 5: And actually what it boils down to is a responsible

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Speaker 5: adult is a person in who the child's care resides,

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Speaker 5: So we just take them back to where they came from.

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Speaker 4: So the responsible person is the parent.

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Speaker 5: Or the guardian that they're living with, and that is

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Speaker 5: why we're seeing this, take them home, bring them back,

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Speaker 5: and the person who decides that is the person who

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Speaker 5: is the authorized officer, who in most cases is the

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Speaker 5: police officer who's found the kid on the street. So

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Speaker 5: we've got that's why we've got the revolving door. We

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Speaker 5: absolutely have to find a way to circubreak that and

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Speaker 5: that's what we're discussing.

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Speaker 1: Do you think that Territory Families have been performing the

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Speaker 1: role that is intended in the recent years when it

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Speaker 1: comes to these kinds of situations.

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Speaker 5: I think the challenge for them was that their role

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Speaker 5: was split across three areas that was not their core business.

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Speaker 4: And so they had housing, they had.

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Speaker 5: Youth Justice as well as children's and families responsibilities. And

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Speaker 5: whilst those things intersect, when you're recruiting staff to those roles,

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Speaker 5: generally they'd be quite different. They'd be a different group

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Speaker 5: of staff that have a different set of skills. So

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Speaker 5: the work that was being tasked to this group of

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Speaker 5: people was not their core business. And I have to

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Speaker 5: tell you, the feedback that I've got from the team

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Speaker 5: that I've met so far is that they are so

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Speaker 5: so happy that they can actually now focus on what.

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Speaker 4: Their core business is. That doesn't mean we won't be

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Speaker 4: working with youth.

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Speaker 5: Justice, and it doesn't mean that we won't be working

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Speaker 5: with those other areas. In fact, there's been a very

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Speaker 5: deliberate structuring of departments and ministries so that we will

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Speaker 5: be forced to work together and break down those silos

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Speaker 5: as they have existed in the past. But it also

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Speaker 5: means that the primary focus of caring for that child,

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Speaker 5: making sure they're safe, will be front and center for

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Speaker 5: children's and families.

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Speaker 1: Obviously, the raising of the criminal age has been the

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Speaker 1: one that's really you know, received the headlines, see it

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Speaker 1: always has, But there are a lot of other legislative

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Speaker 1: changes looking at coming into place. One of those is,

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Speaker 1: as understand, mandatory sentencing for the assault of frontline workers.

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Speaker 1: Is that, like, do we have much of an idea

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Speaker 1: at this stage how that is going to work?

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Speaker 5: So minimum mandatory sentencing, and there is already in the

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Speaker 5: legislation some components of that, so it's just a refining

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Speaker 5: of that to make it clearer and to make it

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Speaker 5: easier for the.

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Speaker 4: Courts to see what is required what is not required.

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Speaker 5: So I think when people see what we are putting forward, they'll.

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Speaker 4: Go that makes sense.

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Speaker 8: And when will we see that?

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Speaker 5: Robin Well, the legislative legislation will be coming to Parliament

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Speaker 5: in the first sittings.

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Speaker 1: Looks like there's going to be quite a bit of

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Speaker 1: legislation coming to Parliament in the first sittings. On a side,

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Speaker 1: I don't understand that you all went to like parliamentary.

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Speaker 2: School to learn how to do things? Do you reckon

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Speaker 2: you meet it? With all that legislation, they.

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Speaker 6: Clearly learned how to be nicer to one another. Will

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Speaker 6: be because they were doing a much better job than

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Speaker 6: the last lot.

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Speaker 1: We actually got messages coming through and screaming, I've got

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Speaker 1: on high kdie. What a change to listen to the

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Speaker 1: week that was without everyone yelling over the top of it.

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Speaker 5: The first thing, what was the most important thing in

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Speaker 5: parliament for all of us?

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Speaker 4: And we all went professionalism?

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Speaker 5: Do you know what?

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Speaker 2: That's good to hear? That is a good thing?

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Speaker 7: And I think, I mean, I think, you know, we're

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Speaker 7: kind of laughing about it, but actually I think it's

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Speaker 7: really significant. If our elected representatives can work well together

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Speaker 7: to have good decisions rather than yelling at each other,

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Speaker 7: we're going to end up with a much better territory.

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Speaker 7: And I really feel like, you know, we've been lucky

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Speaker 7: that almost half the.

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Speaker 8: Parliament is now new.

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Speaker 7: We've got a real chance for a cultural reset in

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Speaker 7: how we do politics here, and I think we can

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Speaker 7: do it.

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Speaker 8: I mean, I don't know what you think absolutely.

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Speaker 5: I know we have a little bit of a chuckle

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Speaker 5: about going to Parliament School, and I certainly on that

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Speaker 5: day went I'm off to Parliament School now darlinge at school.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Well, I think it was great.

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Speaker 6: I think the three of you have shown in half

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Speaker 6: an hour that it's possible to disagree and challenge one

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Speaker 6: another without screaming and calling one another names. And we

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Speaker 6: just like if anyone who watched question Time over the

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Speaker 6: past I don't know, for forever, would watch that hour

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Speaker 6: and we don't see much of it. You said a

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Speaker 6: little snippet. Most people see a little stippid on the

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Speaker 6: news of you lucky. If you sat there and watch

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Speaker 6: the whole hour, most people would be absolutely horrified.

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Speaker 1: Well, you'd actually be quite disgusted if you heard your

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Speaker 1: children speaking to other kids in that way. You'd be

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Speaker 1: pretty disgusted by some of the language that we'd heard,

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Speaker 1: you know, over recent years.

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Speaker 2: And I get it. You know, I'm someone who gets

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Speaker 2: very passionate.

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Speaker 1: I think everybody in this room does on different topics,

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Speaker 1: But like you said, Matt, we can do that and

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Speaker 1: respect each other and you know, hopefully do it in

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Speaker 1: a constructive way.

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Speaker 2: Time will tell.

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Speaker 1: Let's take a very quick break though you are listening

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Speaker 1: to MIXONO four nine's three p sixty.

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Speaker 2: It is the week that was in the studio.

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Speaker 1: We have got from the Labour Party, Duran Young, We've

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Speaker 1: got Justine Davis the Independent. We've got Robin Carl, minister

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Speaker 1: and member of the COLP, and Matt Cunningham from Sky News.

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Speaker 2: And I'm very pleased to say.

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Speaker 1: I've not taken a sofair at all this morning in

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Speaker 1: the new studio, So happy with myself on that. Now

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Speaker 1: there is a lot to discuss today and we know

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Speaker 1: that the Central Australian Aboriginal Congress earlier this week acknowledged

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Speaker 1: the new territory government's commitment to addressing the high crime

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Speaker 1: rate in Alice Springs, but the Health Organization has warned

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Speaker 1: that winding back alcohol supply regulation will have the opposite effect,

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Speaker 1: leading to a waive of alcohol related domestic violence, assaults

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Speaker 1: and social disorder. Congress CEO Donna Rchi said our Aboriginal

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Speaker 1: Board of Directors is also concerned about the levels of

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Speaker 1: crime in Central Australia. However, there's overwhelming evidence that regulating

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Speaker 1: the supply of alcohol, including through a floor price, reduced

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Speaker 1: takeaway trading hours and the police auxiliary liquor inspectors, is

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Speaker 1: a highly effective way.

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Speaker 2: To reduce crime.

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Speaker 1: Missa GI pointed to official government figures which show that

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Speaker 1: the regulations introduced in Ala Springs in early twenty twenty three,

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Speaker 1: including the two takeaway free days, was associated with a

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Speaker 1: considerable reduction in alcohol consumption in the town and a

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Speaker 1: major fall in domestic violence. Look, I think it's always

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Speaker 1: a tough juggle when you talk about alcohol and when

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Speaker 1: you talk about restrictions, when you talk about changing alcohol legislation.

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Speaker 1: But we also know, based on what had happened early

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Speaker 1: last year, what the ramifications can be. If you make

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Speaker 1: changes to alcohol legislation and don't have a plan in

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Speaker 1: place really to support I guess the possible blow up.

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Speaker 5: I think one of the first observations I'd make is

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Speaker 5: that most of the reports I've read, when they use

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Speaker 5: their measure of re reduction in amount of alcohol consumed

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Speaker 5: looks at volume. What they don't take into account is

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Speaker 5: the fact that what we've seen and I've seen this firsthand,

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Speaker 5: certainly in my previous role with the clinic in Palmerston,

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Speaker 5: is there's a shift in the type of alcohol that's

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Speaker 5: drunk and a move to spirits, which is a much

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Speaker 5: higher alcohol content. So you might reduce the volume, but

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Speaker 5: you're not necessarily reducing the levels of intoxication. And if

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Speaker 5: it was truly working, we would not be having this

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Speaker 5: escalation of domestic violence incidents. We would not be seeing

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Speaker 5: the assaults that we're seeing.

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Speaker 4: So we may be seeing, for.

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Speaker 5: Reasons that are not clear, some reduction in presentations, for example,

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Speaker 5: to the Alice Springs Hospital. I don't think you can

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Speaker 5: say that at Royal Darwin Hospital, certainly can't say it

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Speaker 5: at Palmerston Hospital. So I think that it's a complicated issue.

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Speaker 5: And the one thing that I learned firsthand was that

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Speaker 5: the cost of alcohol is irrelevant because money is not

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Speaker 5: the issue about whether you can afford it or not,

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Speaker 5: because most of the people we're talking about actually do

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Speaker 5: have the ability to find the money to purchase the alcohol.

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Speaker 4: So it's a much broader.

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Speaker 5: Issue than that, And the reality is we're also impacting

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Speaker 5: the entire community.

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Speaker 4: So the alcohol free days are working really really well.

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Speaker 5: You're right, So we're looking at how we do that,

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Speaker 5: and if we're reducing the floor price, we've got work

666
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Speaker 5: being done across departments such as the Department of Children's

667
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Speaker 5: and Families to address those root causes, look at why

668
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Speaker 5: these things are happening and how we can actually stop

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Speaker 5: them at their source.

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Speaker 6: I think what's required, Katie, I think is a really

671
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Speaker 6: clear eyed, objective, nonpartisan assessment of what works and what doesn't.

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Speaker 6: And I think that's been missing the whole way through.

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Speaker 6: If you look at the floor price, I think there

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Speaker 6: is a body of evidence that suggests it has had

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Speaker 6: little or no impact. And I say that because when

676
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Speaker 6: it was brought in, which I think was in twenty eighteen.

677
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Speaker 6: If you remember, in twenty sixteen, the Labor government came

678
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Speaker 6: in and they removed the permanent police presence from bottle shops.

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Speaker 6: In twenty eighteen they returned that police presence in the

680
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Speaker 6: form of palis at around about the same price they

681
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Speaker 6: introduced the floor price. We saw a drop at the

682
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Speaker 6: time in Alice Springs in alcohol fueled assaults and emergency

683
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Speaker 6: department presentations, but in Darwin and Palmerston, when there was

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Speaker 6: no other measure, it was just the floor price that

685
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Speaker 6: had been introduced, we saw no fall. In fact, I

686
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Speaker 6: think we saw a slight increase and that increase has continued,

687
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Speaker 6: and so I think that that would point to evidence

688
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Speaker 6: that backs up Robin's argument that says that the floor

689
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Speaker 6: price is not having an impact when it comes to

690
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Speaker 6: problem drinking, and we need to be clear about how

691
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Speaker 6: we measure it, because I think the goalpost always get

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Speaker 6: shifted when I remember asking Natasha Philes, who was the

693
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Speaker 6: Attorney General at the time when they were bringing back

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Speaker 6: the BDR and doing all these other things, how it

695
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Speaker 6: was going to be measured, and pushing it and saying,

696
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Speaker 6: are you going to measure on alcohol fuel assaults and

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Speaker 6: emergency department presentations? Which was the same measure that they

698
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Speaker 6: used the claim success of the BDR in the first place,

699
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Speaker 6: and then quietly stopped talking about it when those measures

700
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Speaker 6: went in the wrong direction, and I saw it. I

701
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Speaker 6: got it, you know, an unconvincing yes. But I think

702
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Speaker 6: that they're they're the key figures that we need to

703
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Speaker 6: look at because alcohol consumption's going down, but we're still

704
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Speaker 6: seeing alcohol related emergency department presentations go up. Well, then

705
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Speaker 6: it's not wor.

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Speaker 1: Getting alcohol getting their hands on alcohol and I know

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Speaker 1: it's like there is no doubt that alcohol is a

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Speaker 1: really difficult one, Like it's hard to manage because you've

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Speaker 1: got to you know, you're managing the expectations of normal

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Speaker 1: people or you know, people who don't have an issue

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Speaker 1: with alcohol, wherever they may be from wanting to be

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Speaker 1: able to enjoy a drink, whether they live on community,

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Speaker 1: whether they live in the northern suburbs.

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Speaker 2: No matter where they are.

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Speaker 1: So you know you're juggling that, but you're also juggling

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Speaker 1: what is a hugely significant issue in a negative way

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Speaker 1: for other people, and.

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Speaker 2: You know it.

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Speaker 1: Has it's some of those measures also have a big

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Speaker 1: impact on things like tourism, on things like business in

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Speaker 1: a lot of different in a lot of different areas

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Speaker 1: in Alla Springs, for example, on those days where it

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Speaker 1: is takeaway free. And I know the community has been

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Speaker 1: quite supportive in terms of having to do what needs

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Speaker 1: to be done to try and sort the concerns around crime.

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Speaker 2: But there's no doubt. It's like I think, no.

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Speaker 1: Matter what changes get made when it comes to alcohol legislation,

728
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Speaker 1: you're never going to keep everybody happy. But ultimately what

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Speaker 1: we all want to see is a reduction in the

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Speaker 1: misuse of alcohol where there is harm associated.

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Speaker 5: Absolutely, and I think one of the challenges that everybody

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Speaker 5: faces is that there is very much a view in

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Speaker 5: the community that the majority are being held to account

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Speaker 5: for a minority issue. And that's certainly what I got

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Speaker 5: on the doorstep around a range of issues. Why are

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Speaker 5: we being punished? And that was the word that people use.

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Speaker 5: Because there is a small group of people who are

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Speaker 5: having challenges, Surely we can look at what's creating those challenges,

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Speaker 5: and that's where we're focused.

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Speaker 4: We actually have to look at why this is happening.

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Speaker 5: We need to know why these people are in these

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Speaker 5: situations and how we can address that. Because if we

743
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Speaker 5: just keep masking it by saying, oh, we've got the

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Speaker 5: floor price and people are drinking volume wise less, so

745
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Speaker 5: therefore it's okay, then we're actually going we're not going

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Speaker 5: to look at the actual real issue.

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Speaker 1: I think.

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Speaker 6: But I think I think people generally would be willing

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Speaker 6: to be inconvenienced in some way. I've got no problem

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Speaker 6: with the floor price. I've got no problem with the

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Speaker 6: band drinker register if they work just exactly.

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Speaker 7: Right, Matt, I think what you said earlier is exactly right. Matte,

753
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Speaker 7: we need the evidence, we need to be smart about it,

754
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Speaker 7: know what's going to work. It is a crisis. It's

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Speaker 7: not that I think we talked about this on this

756
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Speaker 7: show before. It's not that alcohol causes violence, but it

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Speaker 7: totally contributes to violence. When we talk about, as we

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Speaker 7: did earlier, the number of women who've been killed here,

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Speaker 7: we know that alcohol is a contributing factor. We need

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Speaker 7: to do something about it, but we need to do

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Speaker 7: something that works, and we can't.

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Speaker 8: There's not going to be a one one nothing that we've.

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Speaker 5: Done so far as impacting that end result. Yes, the

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Speaker 5: thing that we really want to be focusing.

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Speaker 7: And although we hear from people like Donichi that it

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Speaker 7: has had an impact and they're concerned about what might

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Speaker 7: happen with these new proposals, you know that. I think,

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Speaker 7: Matt You're right, we need to have really good data,

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Speaker 7: but we also have evidence or information for people on

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Speaker 7: the ground doing this work that are saying, we're really

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Speaker 7: worried about what this is going to mean.

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Speaker 5: And I argue in Alice Springs and the work that

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Speaker 5: Donna chi Archie has done is great in respect of

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Speaker 5: addressing some of the root causes. So certainly Congress has

775
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Speaker 5: worked around that, but again, the reports are based on

776
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Speaker 5: something that isn't necessarily reflective of the impact of the

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Speaker 5: alcohol being drunk. And I have to say Alice Springs

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Speaker 5: Hospital and the NGOs who work in that sector in

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Speaker 5: Alice Springs have done a huge amount of work around

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Speaker 5: looking at the root causes. So I would argue that

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Speaker 5: the reason we're seeing reductions is more related to that

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Speaker 5: than the actual alcohol consumption.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's look, alcohol is something we've spoke

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Speaker 1: about so much on this show, and we've sort of

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Speaker 1: you know, I guess it's you know, people can use

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Speaker 1: different types of evidence to support your argument no matter

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Speaker 1: what you're arguing.

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Speaker 2: To some degree.

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Speaker 1: There are other measures, though, that are in place or

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Speaker 1: that haven't been in place, that people are waiting to

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Speaker 1: see reintroduced. I mean, what's going to happen with the

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Speaker 1: BDR is something we get asked about. But also with

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Speaker 1: the two kilometer rule, that is something that had been

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Speaker 1: in place and then seemed to very much lapse and

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Speaker 1: you know, had changed. So is that also something that's

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Speaker 1: going to be looked at in the coming weeks, Robin.

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Speaker 4: So absolutely so. During the election campaign, we committed.

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Speaker 5: To doing a review with a BDR to see how

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Speaker 5: we can make it more effective. Is it working, where

800
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Speaker 5: is it working, where is it not working? And the

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Speaker 5: two kilometer or is something that comes up quite consistently,

802
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Speaker 5: and we're looking at how we can actually make that

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Speaker 5: more effective. Because if police have greater powers to actually

804
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Speaker 5: deal with that, deal with antisocial behavior in those in

805
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Speaker 5: the park that's out the front here for example, then

806
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Speaker 5: we can actually then.

807
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Speaker 4: Start to see a very real impact on behavior.

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Speaker 5: So if you can intervene at that point rather than

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Speaker 5: at the point where things get a little bit out

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Speaker 5: of hand, then we should start to see and that's

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Speaker 5: what we're absolutely intending to see, a reduction in the

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Speaker 5: incidents of violence and more importantly, from my point of view,

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Speaker 5: the incidents of kids suffering from that environment that they're

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Speaker 5: growing up in.

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Speaker 3: Look, just going back, Yeah, I'm very concerned about the

816
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Speaker 3: flaw price being changed. Obviously, Congress have come out and

817
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Speaker 3: not supporting this change. I think, you know, we saw

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Speaker 3: what happened last time when a government went against that,

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Speaker 3: and you know, I'm here to admit that that was

820
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Speaker 3: the former government, including the federal government. We saw that

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Speaker 3: huge impact that that had on Alice Springs and I think,

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Speaker 3: you know, we should be listening to community organizations such

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Speaker 3: as Congress that they work on the front line when

824
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Speaker 3: it comes to issues with people that are alcohol dependent.

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Speaker 3: So I think scrapping it could have a real consequence.

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Speaker 3: It means people may be able to buy more alcohol,

827
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Speaker 3: which will have a bigger impact on communities. But also

828
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Speaker 3: like we need to address the underlying issue of people

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Speaker 3: that have a problem with alcohol, and that goes back

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Speaker 3: to investing in our communities, creating community based policies that

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Speaker 3: what community wants it governments are working with that. We've

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Speaker 3: seen that I've done a lot of that work with

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Speaker 3: the previous government with some of the local decision making

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Speaker 3: agreements that we rolled out across the West Daily region

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Speaker 3: with some of the homelands for example, we're seeing a

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Speaker 3: real impact of local people getting work upgrades to housing

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Speaker 3: that we haven't seen any upgrades since the early nineties.

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Speaker 3: Men's sheds and women's sheds are starting to pop up,

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Speaker 3: so investment in the school out there. So that's the

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Speaker 3: real underlining issue where we need to start addressing what

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Speaker 3: communities want and working with communities based on their aspirations.

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Speaker 6: That what's the people in in What Air and out

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Speaker 6: in West daily one. As far as alcohol goes and

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Speaker 6: controlled alcoholic like, do they want the ability to be

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Speaker 6: able to drink alcohol in a controlled setting in a

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Speaker 6: club or some sort of setup like that, or do

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Speaker 6: they just want a blanket band and no alcohol and

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Speaker 6: community at all.

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Speaker 3: Look, I understand the Cardoo Diminum Corporation are currently working

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Speaker 3: through with the Liquor Commission around setting up a club.

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Speaker 3: To be honest, I don't have those finer details of

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Speaker 3: where they are, but I understand they consulted with the community,

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Speaker 3: the traditional owners of What Air itself. We have around

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Speaker 3: twenty two to twenty three other clan groups that live

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Speaker 3: in What Air. So, for myself, the body of work

856
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Speaker 3: I was working on in What Air was actually looking

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Speaker 3: at decentralizing What Air itself, allowing people access back to

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Speaker 3: their homelands. It is a pressure point in What Air

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Speaker 3: and a lot of traditional owners talk to me about it.

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Speaker 3: A lot of people from other homelands talk about it.

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Speaker 3: The underlining issue is they don't have access to their homelands.

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Speaker 2: Look, we are going to take a bit of a break.

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Speaker 1: You are listening to Mix one O four nine's three

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Speaker 1: sixty Our first week that was, I should say in

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Speaker 1: the new studio, I was about to say the last one.

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Speaker 2: I'm not I'm not dropping you all.

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Speaker 1: No, it was excellent obviously if you have just joined us,

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Speaker 1: it's been the week that was with durand Young in

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Speaker 1: the studio for the labor party. Good to have you

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Speaker 1: in the studio, mate, Thank you again.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, thanks Katie, and thanks for having me. And it's

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Speaker 3: been a wonderful morning. I've really enjoyed myself alongside Justin

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Speaker 3: and Robin and Matt getting back out there. I'm reconnected

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Speaker 3: with my constituency.

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Speaker 1: Good stuff.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, thanking them for giving me the privilege and honor

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Speaker 3: to be able to represent them as well. Yep, and

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Speaker 3: hopefully one of them catch a moon dollar, Barrett, you sign.

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Speaker 1: Up a million dollar fish and Justin are your electric

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Speaker 1: well yeah yep, so yeah, Justine, lovely to have you

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Speaker 1: in the studio this morning as well.

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Speaker 8: Thank you, Katie.

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Speaker 7: Great to be here, Great to have collaborative conversations with

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Speaker 7: my fellow parliamentarians and with Matt as well, and really

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Speaker 7: looking forward to what's ahead the next four years of

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Speaker 7: making this place better based on really good information and

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Speaker 7: good evidence and working together to fix things up.

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Speaker 1: And Robin carl a newly minted Minister for various portfolios

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Speaker 1: for the COLP, thank you so much for your time

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Speaker 1: this morning.

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Speaker 5: It's been a pleasure, and I'd actually just like to

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Speaker 5: say thank you for the patience of my constituents as

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Speaker 5: I've got things settled, because coming into Parliament and also

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Speaker 5: coming into some fairly hefty ministries has been a little

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Speaker 5: bit of a challenge, but we're getting there and it's

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Speaker 5: such an exciting time. There are so many good things

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Speaker 5: on the agenda and we're really looking forward to actually

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Speaker 5: making the territory what it should be and restoring restoring

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Speaker 5: that lifestyle that we so love. And good on Ken

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Speaker 5: for catching the ten thousand dollars ARRA on day while.

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Speaker 5: So that's not a lesson to everybody out there about

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Speaker 5: registering as soon as possible.

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Speaker 4: I don't know what is.

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Speaker 2: Sure, you do it. And Matt cunning hand mate, thanks

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Speaker 2: for coming back.

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Speaker 4: No worries movie.

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Speaker 2: Well, you and I both we were both looking at

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Speaker 2: retiring after the election.

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Speaker 6: I had PTSD after our last week it was but anyway,

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Speaker 6: don't worry. A couple of weeks off to recharge the batteries.

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Speaker 2: Exactly oh good stuff.

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Speaker 1: Well, thank you all so much for your time, and

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Speaker 1: we will get your back on the show, probably next week.

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Speaker 1: We'll be talking to you all very soon. You are

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Speaker 1: listening to Mix ONEOW four nine's three p sixty. It

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Speaker 1: is the Week that Was