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Speaker 1: It makes it sound like it's a government that's concerned

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Speaker 1: Look, we are going to have to take a very

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Speaker 1: there has been a lot happened in Parliament. Obviously we're

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Speaker 1: But there was indeed legislation passed, and we know that

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Speaker 4: guess where it comes in Katie having a conversation.

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Speaker 2: What do we make of that?

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Speaker 6: It's good Queensland's doing it already. They're doing twenty thousand

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Speaker 3: To put this in perspective, absolutely, down in Allo Springs

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Speaker 6: Also retain your corporate memory in corporate intelligence. And the

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Speaker 6: In fact, i'd probably say it as rock bottom.

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Speaker 1: So we saw that in those police associations.

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Speaker 6: So Michael Murphy obviously has a completely different attitude and

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Look, I think the Acting Police Commission has taken a

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Speaker 4: the up to twenty thousand dollars relocation allowance very very good.

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Speaker 5: I think reaching out to people who have left the

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Speaker 6: Ended sickly because I know this massive lots on extended

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Speaker 5: Not really well.

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Speaker 2: To give you an idea that, mister Chalker.

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Speaker 5: It's a really proactive approach.

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Speaker 4: And you know, the Acting Commissioner has also made that

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Speaker 4: People come and actually have that direct contact and conversations and.

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Speaker 6: Not a good idea and a lovely idea. It also

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Speaker 5: Its rebuilding of perception and a.

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Speaker 6: Related that's right because at the end of the day,

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Speaker 6: to reconsidering school based constables because that's one of the

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Speaker 2: And we'll talk a.

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Speaker 4: Week, I think Katie just I mean with the coffee

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Speaker 5: Across Jabarul Jabaru. There's those opportunities for people to engage.

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Speaker 2: In maybe like you know, it has to happen.

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Speaker 4: We've had a really proactive approach with the Acting Commissioner

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Speaker 5: So it's quite good.

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Speaker 4: It's more than just being a law enforcement officer. It's

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Speaker 2: Now just on the police numbers.

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Speaker 1: There are about one hundred police officers on long leave.

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Speaker 4: I think he's good, just like he's doing a great

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Speaker 4: I think, you know, none of us here are in

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Speaker 4: even if it's on light duties all that type of stuff.

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Speaker 5: And that's really important.

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Speaker 4: And you know, I think when we talk about police,

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Speaker 6: Well, just even just have engagement. And for my observations

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Speaker 3: My father was a police officer for thirty five years, Katie,

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Speaker 6: Because the big question is if on leave, let's go

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Speaker 6: But if this new acting Commissioner can reach out to

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Speaker 1: And he did say that his main priorities while acting

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Speaker 6: Well, look a look at the poor fellows I presuant

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Speaker 1: So what do we do Because we're literally trying to

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Speaker 4: to stay as an international student. I mean, the Real

444
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Speaker 4: Estate Institute of the Northern Territory do a great job,

445
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Speaker 4: but unless you're renting an actual home from a real

446
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Speaker 4: estate agent, they're not involved in this process. So it's

447
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Speaker 4: an initiative being led by CDU around what can be

448
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Speaker 4: an appropriate mechanism ues.

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Speaker 1: The fact is, though, like people are living in sharehouses

450
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Speaker 1: that maybe aren't at you know, maybe I don't know

451
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Speaker 1: what the situation is here, but maybe aren't understandard that

452
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Speaker 1: people want because there's actually not other options. And that's

453
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Speaker 1: the issue that we've got really in the Northern Territory

454
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Speaker 1: that we don't actually have those other options, particularly if

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Speaker 1: you're trying to entice people from overseas.

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Speaker 6: Maybe, I mean, obviously the university and the government are

457
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Speaker 6: talking about accommodation for our international students and maybe they

458
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Speaker 6: keep talking because when I went to my university in Wa,

459
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Speaker 6: there were residential colleges and churches looked up, churches around

460
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Speaker 6: some like the Catholics had some, the Anglican had some.

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Speaker 6: I mean, I get it. It's an old university over there.

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Speaker 6: But there might be scope for the university to continue

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Speaker 6: to talk with the government and other agencies like you know,

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Speaker 6: I don't know what it's called, but the group that

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Speaker 6: runs Pearl is owned by the Catholics. You know, whether

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Speaker 6: there is scope for more university style accommodation that's fully

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Speaker 6: catered for. I know it costs money, but you know, hey,

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Speaker 6: the international students are paying it.

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Speaker 1: Well, this is the thing, but it would take a

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Speaker 1: while to get off the ground. You would suspect it.

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Speaker 1: So that's the only thing.

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Speaker 6: The university is the key to taking that forward with

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Speaker 6: the anti government and then they can then go perhaps

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Speaker 6: to some external stakeholders to see if there is scope

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Speaker 6: for accommodation to be built.

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Speaker 1: Well, look, we are going to have to take a

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Speaker 1: bit of a break. You are listening to Mix one

478
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Speaker 1: four nine's three sixty. It is just twenty five minutes

479
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Speaker 1: away from ten.

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Speaker 7: O'clock Mixed one or four point nine three sixty the

481
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Speaker 7: week that was the most listened to our in Territory radio.

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Speaker 1: Well, a topic that really got people across the territory

483
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Speaker 1: talking throughout the week was the fact that the Council

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Speaker 1: of Government Schools MT President Tabbi Fudge and the Casuarina

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Speaker 1: Senior College school captains they'd spoken to us through the week.

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Speaker 1: They spoke to us on Monday morning, in fact, with

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Speaker 1: real concerns about school counselors being removed from schools. Now

488
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Speaker 1: they told me on the show that those counselors are vital,

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Speaker 1: of course to support students, particularly those who don't have

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Speaker 1: positive family networks. Now, if you missed the words from

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Speaker 1: those two school captains from Casarina Senior College, I just

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Speaker 1: want to play a little bit for you because they

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Speaker 1: were incredibly powerful. Take a listen. Let's just try that again.

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Speaker 1: Bear with me a moment. Yeah, I will try and

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Speaker 1: have a listen again. Here we go.

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Speaker 8: Having a school beast counselor makes mental health services accessible

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Speaker 8: to all students and takes the pressure off of teachers

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Speaker 8: who are already doing so much for us.

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Speaker 9: It's really important to be building on relationship consistently with

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Speaker 9: this school counselor and now we'll make a lot of

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Speaker 9: changes within the student if they need the help right now.

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Speaker 8: Honestly, Katie, it's unacceptable. It's putting a third party in

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Speaker 8: place where it should just be between the student and

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Speaker 8: the school counselor. If they don't have the timeframe to

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Speaker 8: form that connection and we're having to delay the provision

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Speaker 8: of help, I don't understand any benefit to this model

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Speaker 8: for the school community, for parents, for teachers.

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Speaker 1: So they were the school captains there from Casuarina Senior College.

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Speaker 1: They did a phenomenal job that was That was Catherine

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Speaker 1: and also Keisha who joined us on the show, and

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Speaker 1: they really I think articulated how those students are feeling

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Speaker 1: at the moment.

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Speaker 7: Now.

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Speaker 1: The Education Department Executive Director of Inclusion and Engagement Services

515
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Speaker 1: added and Chatterton had then joined us on the show

516
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Speaker 1: and had said that counselors would be rotating between government

517
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Speaker 1: schools using a new triage system thirty councilor positions. So

518
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Speaker 1: out of those thirty councilor positions, recruitment still underway for

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Speaker 1: six roles as I understand, which will be spread across

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Speaker 1: senior and secondary schools.

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Speaker 2: I've got to tell you, we.

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Speaker 1: Were absolutely inundated with calls, messages, emails. We had former

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Speaker 1: counselors getting contact with us saying Katie, this is just

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Speaker 1: the wrong move to.

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Speaker 5: Make, absolutely, Katie.

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Speaker 3: And what we've seen is we've just seen a Northern

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Speaker 3: Territory youth strategy unveiled and some of the core focuses

528
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Speaker 3: of that were around student well being, and obviously, now

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Speaker 3: with these announcements that we've heard around removing some of

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Speaker 3: those school counselors, people are rightly concerned. I had someone

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Speaker 3: that was involved in that youth strategy message through to

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Speaker 3: me and they said that they were quite concerned. They've

533
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Speaker 3: been pushing hard for anti bullying legislation and this is

534
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Speaker 3: just one more support network that is now being taken away.

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Speaker 3: So I can understand why a lot of people have

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Speaker 3: been really concerned with this announcement coming out this week,

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Speaker 3: and obviously we've been pushing very hard from where we

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Speaker 3: can to make sure that this decision is sort of reversed.

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Speaker 6: Katie. The first question that must be asked, who came

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Speaker 6: up with this idea to do what they are proposing

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Speaker 6: to do. Who came up with this idea that they

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Speaker 6: will rotate counselors through the schools. Albeit they still need

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Speaker 6: to recruit. I've told I've been told this for the

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Speaker 6: last twelve months in regards to to mimin college. Oh

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Speaker 6: we're recruiting. Well, you do know a bloody poor job

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Speaker 6: of it, that's for sure, because you haven't recruited any

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Speaker 6: I mean to men still only got their one counselor

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Speaker 6: if they've got their one counselor when they should have

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Speaker 6: two counselors given the size of the school. Now, if

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Speaker 6: this is some bright spark or thought bubble out of

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Speaker 6: someone out of Carpetland in Mitchell Street, then they really

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Speaker 6: need to get out and start talking to the schools

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Speaker 6: on the ground because as Tabby Fudge from Cosgo said,

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Speaker 6: and I've had to Mimi and people talk to me,

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Speaker 6: and I know Mark Ferguson from Sanderson who's the council,

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Speaker 6: the chairman of the council out there, they just can't

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Speaker 6: believe it. They're just shaking their heads at a time

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Speaker 6: when we're trying to engage with young people to keep

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Speaker 6: them on the straight and narrow, to provide opportunities for

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Speaker 6: them to understand, you know, a very challenging environment around us.

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Speaker 6: They take away the one person who can do that,

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Speaker 6: and so they're going to retate thinking. So one week

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Speaker 6: I get Chancey who's going to counsel me and help me.

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Speaker 6: Next week I get Joshua, but I have got a Chancey,

565
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Speaker 6: but I like Josha. But then after that then I

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Speaker 6: get the different one. And it's like, seriously, guys, and

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Speaker 6: you're in charge of education, that's the really hard part

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Speaker 6: to get a look at yourself.

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Speaker 1: Well, the thing that I you know, the thing that

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Speaker 1: gave me you know, really sort of stood out to

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Speaker 1: me though throughout the week, was that you've got these

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Speaker 1: school students who are standing up for themselves. They're standing

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Speaker 1: up for something that they really believe in. And I

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Speaker 1: understand that there are obviously issues around, you know, around recruitment.

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Speaker 1: We know that there is some shortages right around the

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Speaker 1: nation and different areas.

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Speaker 6: Centives like the police are doing you know, I think

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Speaker 6: outside the square, Department of Education, if you need some counselors,

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Speaker 6: people of psychology backgrounds or sim why did you think

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Speaker 6: out of the square anti police are doing trying to

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Speaker 6: recruit people to come to our force.

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Speaker 4: Look, I think it's important the Department of Education has

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Speaker 4: commenced a national recruitment campaign to fill those vacancies because

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Speaker 4: we know that there's absolutely a national shortage of qualified counselors.

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Speaker 4: And the position we've got to is, we're not removing

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Speaker 4: counselors from schools, but we need to be in a

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Speaker 4: position as well where we are providing and ensuring the

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Speaker 4: equity of access for children to access those social and

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Speaker 4: emotional wellbeing services. So we need to make sure that

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Speaker 4: we are offering those counselors opportunities to children in schools

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Speaker 4: where there is currently or hasn't been a counselor.

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Speaker 5: To do that.

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Speaker 4: When those vacancies are filled, will absolutely be in a

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Speaker 4: position to guarantee the ongoing continuity of service. But this

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Speaker 4: is also about thinking about the kids that don't have

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Speaker 4: counselors in schools at the moment.

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Speaker 1: But at the moment, you know, like when you're talking

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Speaker 1: about thirty counselors to service and please correct me if

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Speaker 1: I'm wrong, around one hundred and fifty government schools around

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Speaker 1: the Northern Territory, that's obscene.

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Speaker 2: Like, you know, we talk about about.

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Speaker 1: The welfare of our kids, we talk about their mental health,

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Speaker 1: and we talk about it like we are so concerned

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Speaker 1: about it. But thirty counselors across that number of schools.

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Speaker 1: I understand some of those the primary schools, but you know,

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Speaker 1: as a parent of young people that are getting to

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Speaker 1: that age, I can really see the value in a

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Speaker 1: school counselor in that. You know, if you don't quite

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Speaker 1: know who to reach out to, you don't feel comfortable

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Speaker 1: talking to your parents about something, you're a little bit

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Speaker 1: worried about actually going to you know, to another adult.

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Speaker 2: But if there is somebody.

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Speaker 1: At the school that you feel as though you can

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Speaker 1: trust and you take that first step, that's life changing

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Speaker 1: stuff like I truly believe it is.

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Speaker 3: And you're right when you talk about the numbers, Kadie,

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Speaker 3: one hundred and fifty three number of government schools and

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Speaker 3: thirty counselors and Alice Springs, we have thirty eight government

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Speaker 3: schools with five counselors. Two of those counselors are actually

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Speaker 3: servicing other schools in the region, so effectively we have

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Speaker 3: three for thirty.

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Speaker 5: Eight government schools.

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Speaker 3: So absolutely we understand how important these roles are. When

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Speaker 3: I speak to my schools in the electorate, they often say,

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Speaker 3: if we're able to have a counselor come to the school.

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Speaker 3: It can sometimes alleviate, you know, a huge issue that

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Speaker 3: might be happening with it with a child that's really

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Speaker 3: having some difficulties at that time. So they're important roles

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Speaker 3: and they should be they should be.

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Speaker 6: Valued, Katie. I'd probably a chance you won't have the

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Speaker 6: details now. Perhaps I might write to maybe the Education Minister,

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Speaker 6: but I would be interested to know what exactly does

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Speaker 6: their recruitment campaign comprise of what are they doing? Where's

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Speaker 6: the facts should be the evidence that you're actually doing this?

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Speaker 6: Are you putting ads in papers? Are you using siak

636
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Speaker 6: dot com? Are you sending people down to talk at

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Speaker 6: teachers conferences of that kind of thing. I'd actually like

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Speaker 6: to know because one thing is, oh, we're recruiting, exactly

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Speaker 6: are you doing well? I don't trust you anymore because

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Speaker 6: the fact that you've been recruiting for the last twelve

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Speaker 6: months for tamin men. I want to see some evidence

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Speaker 6: of exactly how are you recruiting to try and get

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Speaker 6: more guy.

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Speaker 4: I think I've certainly welcome the opportunity to write to

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Speaker 4: the Education Minister. I think when we talk about national recruitment,

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Speaker 4: certainly in areas of my portfolio area, when we look

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Speaker 4: at what national recruitment means. I think kees you raise

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Speaker 4: a good point, there's a whole range of different initiatives

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Speaker 4: you can do. I mean, even particularly targeting young people

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Speaker 4: who have finished their university degree.

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Speaker 5: Hey, come and work in the territory. Great experience, you know.

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Speaker 4: But again this is around encouraging young people leaving school

653
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Speaker 4: to take on these critical opportunities to go to university

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Speaker 4: and do this because we are seeing a national shortage,

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Speaker 4: but we do need to continue to invest in that

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Speaker 4: recruitment to fill these positions.

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Speaker 2: Look, I get that as well.

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Speaker 1: This you know, there's finite buckets of money for different areas,

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Speaker 1: particularly when you're handing down things like the budget. But

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Speaker 1: you know, I do think that when we talk about investment,

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Speaker 1: we talk about young people. We're talking about young people

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Speaker 1: very often. But when you're talking about mental health and

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Speaker 1: then what seems as though it's a real shortage of

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Speaker 1: school counselors within our schools, I do think that it

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Speaker 1: is an area that we need some serious investment. And

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Speaker 1: again I know that the budget's already been handed down,

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Speaker 1: but I was pretty surprised, I've got to tell you,

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Speaker 1: when i'd had those discussions throughout the week that really

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Speaker 1: we're looking at thirty councilors right across the Northern territory.

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Speaker 2: To me, that does not seem enough.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if there's other support roles that you

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Speaker 1: know that could be implemented. I don't have the answers,

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Speaker 1: but I do think that it is an area that

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Speaker 1: we need to have a bit of a closer little.

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Speaker 3: Cash absolutely, And I think a big part of this, Katie,

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Speaker 3: is that we know that schools have been trying to

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Speaker 3: recruit to those positions for a long period of time.

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Speaker 3: This may be the government going well rather than just

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Speaker 3: having these positions that are is constantly never being filled.

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Speaker 3: Let's just try to roll it all into one sense

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Speaker 3: centralized area. But I think when you talk to the schools,

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Speaker 3: they talk about the importance of how those counselors that

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Speaker 3: are actively either rolling that are in the schools and

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Speaker 3: able to be utilized more frequently.

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Speaker 1: So, Jasey, I mean, are we going to definitely go

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Speaker 1: to this triage model where they're rotating It sounds as

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Speaker 1: so it's not what the schools, nor the students nor

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Speaker 1: the teachers want.

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Speaker 4: Look, where we are at the moment is making sure

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Speaker 4: that we need to provide equity of service across.

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Speaker 5: All of the schools.

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Speaker 2: Equity though if it's half fas straight across.

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Speaker 5: The board, Katie, it's equity.

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Speaker 4: When you're giving everyone the opportunity to participate and talk

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Speaker 4: to someone, and you know that they're going to be

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Speaker 4: there in a particular day or days of the week,

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Speaker 4: is important they know that they've got someone or someone's

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Speaker 4: going to be appearing for them to talk to. We

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Speaker 4: know that we're going to roll that national Recruitment continually

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Speaker 4: to recruit people, and I think it's also important to

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Speaker 4: acknowledge that there are additional services that are delivered by

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Speaker 4: ngngos that are going into some of our schools around

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Speaker 4: social and emotional wellbeing.

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Speaker 1: We are going to take a bit of a break.

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Speaker 1: It is just nine minutes away from ten o'clock. The

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Speaker 1: time flies in here. You are listening to Mix one

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Speaker 1: O four nine's three sixty Mixed.

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Speaker 7: One or four point nine three point sixty the week

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Speaker 7: that was the most listened to our in Territory radio.

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Speaker 2: We have just got a couple of minutes left.

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Speaker 1: If you've just joined us this morning, well you've missed

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Speaker 1: the hour of power.

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Speaker 2: Of course, Josh Burgo and.

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Speaker 1: Kesey Apurican Chancey Paik in the studio for us for

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Speaker 1: the week that was. There's been a lot to cover

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Speaker 1: off on this week, Kez, very important question for you.

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Speaker 2: Where is carpet Land that you spoke about it before off?

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Speaker 6: Well, this is an expression I picked up from my

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Speaker 6: contact with the education community in the rule E and

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Speaker 6: it's how they refer to people who work in the

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Speaker 6: Mitchell Center in the educations. You go into carpet land

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Speaker 6: and you become soft and mushy and not very good.

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Speaker 6: But I'm sure there's some lovely people for here.

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Speaker 2: I was wondering where carlett Land was.

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Speaker 6: I thought it was a story. Yeah, I'm just getting

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Speaker 6: secrets away.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I wasn't sure exactly where it was.

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Speaker 1: Now, what about let's could we do a quick best

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Speaker 1: and worst performances of the week throughout Parliament. I think

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Speaker 1: when question time, when Parliament sits, I've got to say

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Speaker 1: my worst. The worst performance for me, certainly is every

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Speaker 1: time I hear the talking the territory down, I feel

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Speaker 1: like that line is just getting rolled out all the time.

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Speaker 2: It's really rolling people up. Clich cliches, one.

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Speaker 6: Trick, pony cliches, the ponies. Get over it, you lot.

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Speaker 6: Most trick ponies have more than one trick. That's that

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Speaker 6: neighbor people haven't been around enough to go to rodeos

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Speaker 6: to work, you see out, just like they don't know

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Speaker 6: the right kind of plants to plant. To climb up

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Speaker 6: a shade structure, a creep is required, not a rambler.

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Speaker 5: Like that.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I thought it.

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Speaker 6: Was a bit lackluster on the government's part, and not

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Speaker 6: of course Chancey, he's an sterly performer and Josh, thank you.

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Speaker 6: But I just thought it was it was lackluster. I mean,

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Speaker 6: there was lots of budget replies, you know, and that's good.

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Speaker 6: Everyone's got to do their thing, and I did one.

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Speaker 6: The water legislation, I think is a positive move. And

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Speaker 6: I know that the SELP has some skepticism or perhaps

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Speaker 6: some concerns about it, but I think it's okay. It's

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Speaker 6: good for the ruler both in the top end and

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Speaker 6: also our springs to allow subdivisions of land without having

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Speaker 6: to put a ball down. And if I'm wrong, well

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Speaker 6: we found to be wrong. So there was some good

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Speaker 6: legislation debate that went on. But it's the bit that

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Speaker 6: I think there's more people paying attention to what's happening

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Speaker 6: in the growth than in previous years, Like not necessarily

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Speaker 6: coming in, but they're probably tuning online, listening more to

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Speaker 6: you what's happened, perhaps following people like ours facebooks to

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Speaker 6: know what's happening. And rightly so, why shouldn't they know

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Speaker 6: what's going on because that place is the place where

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Speaker 6: laws are made, that's the place where policies are debated

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Speaker 6: and what's good for the territory and going forward and

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Speaker 6: addressing the challenges. But I just I just think the

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Speaker 6: government lacked a little bit of lusted, a little bit

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Speaker 6: of confidence. Maybe they're getting a little bit worried. You know,

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Speaker 6: election's only twelve months away, give or take, and it's

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Speaker 6: not looking good for them.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, for myself, Katie, obviously, the bail legislation amendment being

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Speaker 3: voted down so quick was frustrating. And then I turned

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Speaker 3: on the news that night and the Chief Minister was

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Speaker 3: basically gloating about it, saying, oh yeah, yeah, we shut

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Speaker 3: that down.

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Speaker 5: That was great.

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Speaker 3: So I don't know, it's just sort of frustrating when,

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Speaker 3: like you say, you bring in legislation, you want to

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Speaker 3: have these debates and they get closed down in forty

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Speaker 3: seven seconds, So that was frustrating.

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Speaker 4: This week, Chancey, look, I think it was certainly a

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Speaker 4: big week. A number of pieces of legislation.

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Speaker 5: Have passed, and you've introduced a few more PEPs.

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Speaker 4: So introduced this week the Sexual Offenses Bill, which goes

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Speaker 4: to addressing a number of things that we've heard from

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Speaker 4: the community, particularly a lot of the stuff from Grace Tame,

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Speaker 4: so really positive legislation on that front. Are certainly looking

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Speaker 4: at some of the food licensing that's been introduced this

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Speaker 4: sitting period that we did pass the community courts legislation

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Speaker 4: really important Law.

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Speaker 2: And Justice grew did mean to talk about that.

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Speaker 4: Bringing in kind of the elders and leaders into the

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Speaker 4: kind of discussion.

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Speaker 5: So there's been a lot of things.

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Speaker 4: I think also one thing really important was very excited

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Speaker 4: to support was Yingi Gayla brought a motion before Parliament

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Speaker 4: on the General Business Day and that was to look

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Speaker 4: at referring a matter to the Legal and Constitutional Affairs

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Speaker 4: Committee to establish the statutory body to review legislation.

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Speaker 2: A very quick one on that is this like a

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Speaker 2: second voice.

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Speaker 1: Is this a you know, our Northern territory voice, in

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Speaker 1: addition to the national rounds like.

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Speaker 2: It nowhere in the motion does it talk about a voice.

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Speaker 3: It talks about referring this to the Legal and Constitutional

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Speaker 3: Affairs Committee to look at the impact on first First nations.

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Speaker 5: So it's statute.

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Speaker 4: It's to look at establishing a statutory body to review

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Speaker 4: of legislation and to evaluate the impact on Aboriginal territory.

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Speaker 4: And so, you know, I think that's a good thing

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Speaker 4: and certainly something that we can all work on.

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Speaker 5: The Committee will look at it, you know, big sittings will.

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Speaker 4: Be back of course all of us for estimates and

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Speaker 4: then back into Parliament in July.

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Speaker 6: Well, Katie, don't forget last week we had a big

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Speaker 6: rally outside parlam House. I reckoncilently did five to nine

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Speaker 6: hundred people. So there's still a lot of angst out

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Speaker 6: there in regards to what the government's not doing to

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Speaker 6: keep us safe.

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Speaker 1: There most certainly is and look, we are going to

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Speaker 1: talk further about that with the Prime Minister Anthony Albanezi

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Speaker 1: in that interview that I did a bit earlyer this morning.

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Speaker 1: I'll be replaying that one or I'll be playing that

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Speaker 1: one for you just after ten o'clock. Thank you so

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Speaker 1: much for your time this morning, George Burgoy.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much, Katie. The Right Against Cancer is

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Speaker 3: on tomorrow morning down the Hidden Valley from eight am.

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Speaker 2: I'll be there some stuff like gazy if Eric. Thank you. Katie.

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Speaker 6: Got to shout out to one of your favorite listeners,

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Speaker 6: Andy out there in emty led Andy and he loves

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Speaker 6: this show. He loves me more, but he loves your show.

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Speaker 4: And Katie, I just want to give a big shout out.

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Speaker 4: This week has been law week, so shout out to

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Speaker 4: everyone in the legal community. You do a great job

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Speaker 4: each and every day working on the front line. So

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Speaker 4: shout out to all of our legal practitioners and their

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Speaker 4: support staff.

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Speaker 6: I love lawyer, especially my own lawyer.

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Speaker 2: All Right, on that note, we better wrap up. Thank

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Speaker 2: you all so much for your time. It has been

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Speaker 2: the week that was