Speaker 1: I would like to acknowledge the traditional owners of the
Speaker 1: land on which this episode is being recorded, the Coomboo
Speaker 1: Marry people. We pay our respects to elders past, present
Speaker 1: and emerging and extend that respect to all Aboriginal and
Speaker 1: Torres Strait Islander peoples. Today I'm your host, Georgie Stevenson,
Speaker 1: and this is the Rise and Concer podcast. This is
Speaker 1: the podcast where we cha mindset, self development and becoming
Speaker 1: your higher self mix soon with a lot of laughs,
Speaker 1: plus behind the scenes of my life running two businesses
Speaker 1: and being among Think of us as the perfect combo
Speaker 1: of brunch with your besties mixed with self development. No
Speaker 1: matter where you are in your journey, we're here to
Speaker 1: help you be curious, pull yourself out, and embrace radical
Speaker 1: self awareness. If you're ready to get into the driver's
Speaker 1: seat of your own life and stop letting life pass
Speaker 1: you by, then you're in the right place. Hello everybody,
Speaker 1: welcome back to the potty. Today we have the most
Speaker 1: special episode for you. It's actually part one of two
Speaker 1: with Kate Jones aka Dedicated Lifestyle, and in this episode
Speaker 1: we are chatting about diet culture, her fitness journey, how
Speaker 1: to find yourself after having a bit of a toxic phase.
Speaker 1: Kate's biggest shift in influencing Kate's self love journey, the
Speaker 1: challenges she encountered, and what self love can look like
Speaker 1: for you. If you are someone who has struggled with
Speaker 1: self love or self worth, especially when it comes to
Speaker 1: body image, then you will absolutely love this episode. Kate
Speaker 1: has such an incredible journey with her self love and
Speaker 1: I just cannot wait for you guys to hear it. Also,
Speaker 1: in case you missed it, we are launching Goddess Energy,
Speaker 1: which is a self love journal in collaboration with Kate.
Speaker 1: So this journal is incredible, guys. I just love it
Speaker 1: because it's so different to anything that we have created
Speaker 1: at Rise and Conquer. So to bring out a journal
Speaker 1: that Kate has put so much time, love and her
Speaker 1: whole journey into a journal, and of course it's got
Speaker 1: the Rise and Conquer touches essentially. There is a daily
Speaker 1: spread with prompts for the morning and the night. There's
Speaker 1: also heaps of self love activities and guys, this journal
Speaker 1: is so beautiful. I would really recommend this journal if
Speaker 1: you are just wanting to get into journaling, if you're
Speaker 1: kind of new to self development. If you really want
Speaker 1: to work on that self love muscle, this journal is
Speaker 1: going to be beautiful. It does. It's a spread for
Speaker 1: over twelve weeks too, so it's like this beautiful journey
Speaker 1: you go on. And Guys, because we love you so
Speaker 1: so much, we are actually going to give you early
Speaker 1: access to this launch to our Facebook group. So this
Speaker 1: is available to our Facebook group members from eight am
Speaker 1: today and general sale will be from four pm today.
Speaker 1: So help in the Facebook group if you want early access.
Speaker 1: I know, I'm so excited me too. What's your favorite
Speaker 1: part of the journal?
Speaker 2: Tt my, I love the whole thing. I love the
Speaker 2: whole thing.
Speaker 1: I have a very good reason as to why I
Speaker 1: don't have a favorite part though. Tell me. One of
Speaker 1: my big human design themes throughout my life is self love.
Speaker 1: So it's something I struggle with and I love that
Speaker 1: this journal gives me the daily accountability to work on
Speaker 1: that point of my life's journey kind of thing. And
Speaker 1: it's like, even though I can grab our manifestation journal
Speaker 1: or our nighttime journal and like free right and entire page,
Speaker 1: this just does something so different for me because it's
Speaker 1: an aspect that I really struggle with. So I tend
Speaker 1: to avoid sometimes, so it's really accountable for that. But
Speaker 1: then also like how well thought out the activities are
Speaker 1: and that they're not just like at the beginning, they're throughout,
Speaker 1: so it's like just something new every few weeks for
Speaker 1: me to try and dive deeper on. Yeah, I am.
Speaker 1: I love the consistency of it and the simplicity. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's so it's so beautiful. I was doing it the
Speaker 1: other day and I was like, Oh, one of the
Speaker 1: prompts like really got me and it like made me
Speaker 1: so emotional. Yeah, it's so beautiful because they're so simple.
Speaker 1: It should only take you know, five or ten minutes,
Speaker 1: and it really shifted something inside me. So beautiful.
Speaker 2: I know, what's your favorite part?
Speaker 1: I I love the hot that the prompts are different
Speaker 1: every single day. I think it's so funny. I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'm never thought like because like it's so thought I thought.
Speaker 1: I know. I just yeah, I love that it's different
Speaker 1: every single day and it kind of you know, you
Speaker 1: can still create the habit, but it's like this beautiful
Speaker 1: making you think you know something. But and some of
Speaker 1: the questions are like a little bit left film, you know.
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, I'm so glad you asked this. I
Speaker 1: never would have had a thought about this. And then
Speaker 1: often I will bring that conversation into Tim and it's
Speaker 1: almost like a conversation starter too, which I find is
Speaker 1: really beautiful.
Speaker 2: I love that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he prompts it jump out at me. I've
Speaker 1: started highlighting, so like on the days I feel like
Speaker 1: I can go deeper, I'll like page through, find the
Speaker 1: highlighted ones and skip to the end where the free
Speaker 1: pages are, and go deeper. She's committed. She's committed. But
Speaker 1: before we get into it, we do have weekly REX.
Speaker 1: What's yours? G, you go first while I think of mine.
Speaker 1: Mine is our conversations. Yeah, this is tell us why G.
Speaker 1: I did them at the beach with my best friend
Speaker 1: on the weekend and ended up in tears. A tear
Speaker 1: literally sent us a picture picture of her crying with
Speaker 1: the card and just being like, I just did a
Speaker 1: conversation cards at the beach and I'm crying and I
Speaker 1: was like, oh my god, it's so beautiful.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So they are one hundred percent my recommendation. It's like
Speaker 1: I forget how good they are and then I use
Speaker 1: them again and.
Speaker 2: I'm like, these are amazing.
Speaker 1: I know, it's like good any good habit, and you're like,
Speaker 1: fuck this, I don't know why I stop this, Like
Speaker 1: why do I not carry this with me everywhere? So
Speaker 1: they are back in the bag and coming everywhere with me.
Speaker 2: Good.
Speaker 1: I have a second bonus wreck. It's a movie called
Speaker 1: A Beautiful Game on Netflix and it's about soccer, but
Speaker 1: it's based on the true story of the Homeless World Cup.
Speaker 1: So every year they take homeless people to play, like
Speaker 1: in an international soccer tournament against homeless people from other countries.
Speaker 1: Really yes, and like a real thing. It's a real thing.
Speaker 1: It's in Korea this year, and it's like based on
Speaker 1: this beautiful story and how they pick these people and
Speaker 1: how much it changes their life for their perspective, and
Speaker 1: it just like gives them something to work for and
Speaker 1: they can only participate once so that everybody sort of
Speaker 1: gets to turn and it's just like the most heartwarming,
Speaker 1: feel good, beautiful movie I've watched in a while.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I love that so much. I feel
Speaker 2: like the RNC community would love that. Thank you for sharing.
Speaker 1: What's my recommendation is to create a high vibe playlist.
Speaker 1: We did this for our alignment Challenge and the Rise
Speaker 1: app and I have just gone back into like high
Speaker 1: vibe music and it's this high vibe like a little
Speaker 1: bit spiritual, so spiritual love. I even have a specific
Speaker 1: song I put on when I am coming to like
Speaker 1: Naked Harvest and I need to be like nh CEO
Speaker 1: and then I have a specific song.
Speaker 2: For R and C. I love that.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Anyway, that's my recommendation, get back into the vibe
Speaker 1: beats love. Shall we get into the episode, of course,
Speaker 1: let's do it. Kate Jones, Welcome to the Rise and
Speaker 1: Conquered podcast again.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much. I'm a bit of like a
Speaker 2: seasoned veteran. You are, Yeah, ah, I love coming on
Speaker 2: these podcasts, so it's so fun.
Speaker 1: Well, I feel like it's even more exciting this time
Speaker 1: because not only have you grown so much as a person,
Speaker 1: we also have so much more history relations Who is she?
Speaker 2: I know, I'm like a personal development girly, a book giry,
Speaker 2: like what's going on?
Speaker 1: A journal now?
Speaker 2: Like since the first time I came on these podcast
Speaker 2: I feel like I'm kind of a different person, you know,
Speaker 2: joke you are and we in the best way.
Speaker 1: But we said this yesterday at the shoot I'm like,
Speaker 1: who would have thought, Like, if you saw yourself twenty
Speaker 1: four months ago, would you have like been like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, I've got a journal. I'm a self development galie. Like,
Speaker 1: I know you journal every single day. Yeah, I know
Speaker 1: you do monthly audience. Yeah, I know.
Speaker 2: I would never have thought that I would kind of
Speaker 2: into this world. But since doing it, I feel like
Speaker 2: it's kind of addictive and you just keep going. It's
Speaker 2: really rewarding.
Speaker 1: It's really rewarding. And well, I think as humans innately
Speaker 1: like we love to see progress, we love to see
Speaker 1: an evolution. So once you start, it does get addictive
Speaker 1: because you start to feel that little bit better, you
Speaker 1: start to see changes, you start to like just notice
Speaker 1: you're wanting to have deeper conversations. Your connections with certain
Speaker 1: people are like feeling deeper and just like more fulfilling. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and you're like, oh, there's something.
Speaker 2: To this, definitely, And I feel like you kind of
Speaker 2: know almost like what questions to ask to get those
Speaker 2: relationships as well, and like delve deeper with yourself and
Speaker 2: with other people. I think it opens totally new relationships
Speaker 2: because of how you connect with people.
Speaker 1: Totally. Yeah, it's a bit of fun bit of fun. Well,
Speaker 1: hold one moment, because do you want to just give
Speaker 1: a quick intro into who you are? For those who
Speaker 1: are living under a rock? Yeah, and't haven't listened to
Speaker 1: the original podcast and haven't seen you all over you
Speaker 1: know Instagram and my social Yes, but Kay Jones, tell
Speaker 1: us who are you?
Speaker 2: So I'm a content creator. I like to now think
Speaker 2: I'm a bit of like a fashion influencer, and I've
Speaker 2: definitely thank you so much. I've started kind of delving
Speaker 2: into a lot more aspects of life, as I guess,
Speaker 2: like a bigger picture. I think I was very kind
Speaker 2: of in a box in my early stages of either
Speaker 2: weight loss or fitness, and then very strong body acceptance
Speaker 2: body positivity, where now I think I've really branched out
Speaker 2: and show my life in all aspects, incorporating body acceptance
Speaker 2: and self love. So I think now I'm able to
Speaker 2: show a lot more of my hobbies and my interests
Speaker 2: and incorporate that into my socials rather than it being
Speaker 2: this I guess like really serious message. But yeah, I
Speaker 2: kind of show all aspects of my life. I love
Speaker 2: encouraging my community to live their best lives except who
Speaker 2: they are. Love different aspects of themselves that they may
Speaker 2: not have before, and I think to show up as
Speaker 2: their most like authentic self is kind of my goal
Speaker 2: and have fun at the same time and just be
Speaker 2: a bit, you know, just for a little bit of
Speaker 2: a goose. Yeah. I feel like now as well, I'm
Speaker 2: always looking for opportunities to connect with my audience and
Speaker 2: to really build that relationship on a deeper level and
Speaker 2: see the difference that I'm able to have in their
Speaker 2: lives as well. I think that's a really big focus
Speaker 2: and just working on things that I'm passionate about that
Speaker 2: align with me. Yeah, kind of just like everything in
Speaker 2: one I love that.
Speaker 1: I also love that you touched on, you know, even
Speaker 1: with your social media presence that, Yeah, like your mission
Speaker 1: is to help people accept themselves and be their authentic self,
Speaker 1: but also you have so much more depth in so
Speaker 1: many other areas of your life because I think, you know,
Speaker 1: we went through a stay age where it was fitzbo
Speaker 1: disorted eating diet culture and that was the vibe, and
Speaker 1: then it's like we did a pendulum swing and it
Speaker 1: was like except yourself of every inch, every it felt
Speaker 1: like so serious and very very heavy, I think, very heavy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I actually love now that you're like, yeah, of
Speaker 1: course they talk about those things, but I also talk
Speaker 1: about books. I'm also doing fashion and I'm such a
Speaker 1: multi facet person.
Speaker 2: Yeah, which I love.
Speaker 1: That we're moving into this era because I feel like
Speaker 1: for so long, you know, this is a bit of
Speaker 1: a tangent, but especially with social media, people literally wants
Speaker 1: now this whole podcast. People felt like they had to
Speaker 1: niche out yes, and like, well, I can only talk
Speaker 1: about body positivity because I'm that girl social media and
Speaker 1: like that's just for me personally, that's just not it.
Speaker 1: Like I want to know you're a human. I want
Speaker 1: to know you have like other tress and I love
Speaker 1: that you encompass that on you know, your social media. Yes,
Speaker 1: and I really wanted to be more than just that person,
Speaker 1: like have that relationship and have that message, but intertwine
Speaker 1: it into different types of content.
Speaker 2: So like my fashion content is still where what you want,
Speaker 2: love who you are, express yourself for your fashion, but
Speaker 2: in a way that is not so serious. It's just
Speaker 2: like a bit fun experiment with different things, see what
Speaker 2: you like, and kind of intertwining that self acceptance or
Speaker 2: self love message through other avenues. Because I'm like into
Speaker 2: so many different things, so I didn't want to put
Speaker 2: myself into a box and it was kind of hard
Speaker 2: to break out of that image as well. But yeah,
Speaker 2: I feel like now I've got a really good mixture
Speaker 2: of what I share and what I do.
Speaker 1: M Yeah, I love that so much. And can I
Speaker 1: just say, like, I love your content, thank you so much. Fun,
Speaker 1: thank you.
Speaker 2: We have a lot of fun creating it, and I
Speaker 2: think that is what translates into what you see. I
Speaker 2: think if someone's not having fun creating the content and
Speaker 2: it's a bit mundane enjoyable.
Speaker 1: Well, you even said that last night we went out
Speaker 1: to dinner and Kate said that she's like, you know,
Speaker 1: previously you'll create content. You're like, I wanted to create
Speaker 1: this content, but now she's like, if I'm not feeling
Speaker 1: it and if I'm not on the right vibe, I'm
Speaker 1: not going to create that piece of content because that
Speaker 1: can absolutely like shine through and like, don't tell me
Speaker 1: you're not a manifesting guy, because that is that's energy. Baby. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so yep, it's my frequency exactly.
Speaker 2: It's just magnetic.
Speaker 1: Okay, you can tell what I'm magnetic exactly.
Speaker 2: And I feel like I want that to translate in
Speaker 2: what I share and what I show, and I want
Speaker 2: that vibe to come through to the people watching so
Speaker 2: that then they get uplifted by whatever they're watching.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, who is she a queen?
Speaker 1: Let's go straight into self love and I would love
Speaker 1: for you to share kind of like a defining moment
Speaker 1: or experience that led you to start prioritizing self love.
Speaker 2: Some people would have heard this story before I, I
Speaker 2: think on a few podcasts, but essentially this was kind
Speaker 2: of my like revolving door moment. And before my wedding,
Speaker 2: which was in twenty seventeen, I had a moment where
Speaker 2: I was thinking about the honeymoon, thinking about the wedding,
Speaker 2: thinking about the menus, and stressing about what I was
Speaker 2: going to eat, what the calories were going to be,
Speaker 2: how I was going to track it in my app
Speaker 2: and that was overarching all of my thoughts about my wedding.
Speaker 2: I was thinking about that instead of thinking about what
Speaker 2: the day actually meant, and to me, I was like,
Speaker 2: I don't know. I kind of had a bit of
Speaker 2: a moment talking to my husband about it, to be
Speaker 2: husband saying this is what I'm concerned about and he
Speaker 2: was like, why are you thinking about that when it's
Speaker 2: literally our wedding day, so priorities were a bit skewed,
Speaker 2: and he kind of pulled me back to earth and
Speaker 2: we had a conversation around that, and that was kind
Speaker 2: of my turning point of going, something's got to give.
Speaker 2: I'm a shell of a human. All I'm thinking about
Speaker 2: is what I'm eating when I'm going to the gym,
Speaker 2: how long i can go to the gym for today,
Speaker 2: what I'm eating on my honeymoon, not thinking about what
Speaker 2: I'm giving to other people, and how I was showing
Speaker 2: up was just not who I was. So I think
Speaker 2: that was a bit of obviously that was my big
Speaker 2: revelation of yeah, something needs to change, something needs to give,
Speaker 2: And can I even.
Speaker 1: Ask, like going back almost the point where you like,
Speaker 1: what was the thing that made you decide I do
Speaker 1: want to start caring about losing weight. I do want
Speaker 1: to start caring about what.
Speaker 2: I eat, Like initially, yeah, what was that for you?
Speaker 2: It was kind of kind of by chance. I was sick,
Speaker 2: Like I got sick and lost I don't even remember
Speaker 2: how much weight, but remember losing a small amount of weight.
Speaker 2: And then something happened, something clicked where I held on
Speaker 2: to that, and then that became like my new challenge.
Speaker 2: I have a bit of an addictive personality and if
Speaker 2: we couldn't tell, we and yeah that I kind of
Speaker 2: held onto that and then ran with that, and then
Speaker 2: it just spiraled. I think once I got a taste
Speaker 2: of the compliments people were giving me, the feelings I
Speaker 2: was ge getting from people complementing my body, how I
Speaker 2: was looking that essentially I was looking better than I
Speaker 2: did before. I just held onto that and ran with that.
Speaker 2: And it was also in that time of fitness, weight
Speaker 2: loss Fitzbo's instagram, that's all it was, and it's all
Speaker 2: you consumed, So I think it was very normalized for
Speaker 2: that to be the ideal and for that to be
Speaker 2: the goal essentially, So I kind of, yeah, just spiraled
Speaker 2: and held onto that until it got to a point
Speaker 2: of obviously unhealthy obsession. And then Yeah, the wedding was
Speaker 2: kind of like my catalyst to change things, and I
Speaker 2: kind of had a bit of a realization that I
Speaker 2: was definitely in a binge restrict cycle and that I
Speaker 2: needed to somehow get myself out of that. And that's
Speaker 2: when I kind of started researching binge eating, body positivity,
Speaker 2: the other side of what diet culture, the extremes of
Speaker 2: diet culture can do, and realized that there was a
Speaker 2: way out essentially.
Speaker 1: And I know you obviously go so much more into
Speaker 1: this in your masterclass on the Rise app that could
Speaker 1: you give us like a couple of things that really
Speaker 1: helped you get out of that binge and restrict cycle.
Speaker 2: Definitely professional literature, So I read a lot of books
Speaker 2: that were from doctors and from psychologists.
Speaker 1: What was your favorite.
Speaker 2: I loved Brain over Binge. That was like my healing book.
Speaker 2: I read it so quickly, I listened to the podcast.
Speaker 2: It was something that I felt like she was speaking
Speaker 2: to me and my problems and what I was doing
Speaker 2: in my behaviors, and I, Yeah, just consumed that so quickly,
Speaker 2: and it kind of made me then branch out into
Speaker 2: other I guess books and podcasts and that sort of
Speaker 2: realm because I didn't even know that existed, because I
Speaker 2: didn't think I had a problem. So once I opened
Speaker 2: that door and realized there was so much out there
Speaker 2: to consume and to help me on my journey, that
Speaker 2: was kind of where it all started in the healing process.
Speaker 2: I definitely think professional help is so important, whether that's
Speaker 2: through a book, a podcast, seeing someone in person. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that was kind of my first step to recovery.
Speaker 1: My bookook was just eat it so good. That was
Speaker 1: the book for me that I remember reading it crying.
Speaker 2: It's got a big donut on the front. Yeah, yes,
Speaker 2: I know, the exactly one.
Speaker 1: I remember.
Speaker 2: It is amazing. She has a podcast too, that's really
Speaker 2: good she does.
Speaker 1: And that was the book for me where it's kind
Speaker 1: of like I didn't know I had a problem, and
Speaker 1: then I totally I was getting all these like signs
Speaker 1: to like look into it, and then I found this
Speaker 1: book and I like stumbled it across it and I
Speaker 1: read it and I remember having this moment of crying
Speaker 1: because for the first time I felt like seen in
Speaker 1: my oh wow, no, I do have a problem, but
Speaker 1: there is an answer, yes and understood.
Speaker 2: And I think you feel so alone when you're in
Speaker 2: that sort of mentality of like it's shameful as well,
Speaker 2: there's this big shame that's put on it, of like
Speaker 2: you don't want to tell anyone or talk about it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: So feeling like there is someone out there that can
Speaker 2: help and there is a way out is so massive
Speaker 2: and so like the best step in the right direction
Speaker 2: to start with and finding something you relate to, because
Speaker 2: I think there's some books and some professionals that just
Speaker 2: didn't hit the mark for me or that I was like, Oh,
Speaker 2: I don't know, but as soon as you listen to
Speaker 2: that right thing, like it flicks a switch and you
Speaker 2: realize that, oh, yeah, this is going to.
Speaker 1: Help m I love talking about the concept because I
Speaker 1: remember with my stage of disordered eating, there was this
Speaker 1: moment where I realized that every thought I had, very
Speaker 1: similar to you, was like every thought I had was
Speaker 1: consumed by what was my next meal? What's the lowest calorie? Yeah,
Speaker 1: how I was going to work out? My biggest aha
Speaker 1: moment was when I did do a lot of you know,
Speaker 1: the inner work, I did seek professional help. I started
Speaker 1: just having so much more capacity for life. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: like that's honestly when I then started Naked Harvest and
Speaker 1: like I went on to go and do all these
Speaker 1: amazing things for you, was there kind of a moment
Speaker 1: when you looked back where you were like, wow, my
Speaker 1: life is so much more fuller, Oh, because they.
Speaker 2: Just have so much more, say one hundred percent. I
Speaker 2: think you really realize when you take away the diet
Speaker 2: culture side of things and how much that's controlling you
Speaker 2: and your brain, how much space you have to think
Speaker 2: about so many other things, whether that's projects, work like.
Speaker 2: It was one of the things that then allowed me
Speaker 2: to leave my full time teaching job because I could
Speaker 2: think further ahead than my next meal or my next
Speaker 2: event or my next social thing that I had to
Speaker 2: worry about. I could think about the bigger picture, take
Speaker 2: it all in, and have the capacity to make decisions
Speaker 2: about things that were not food related or weight related.
Speaker 2: It made me really see that there was like obviously
Speaker 2: more out there because essentially diet culture and that whole
Speaker 2: industry is trying to keep us small. It's trying to
Speaker 2: keep us quiet, it's trying to keep us focused on Yeah,
Speaker 2: trying to keep us focused on ourself so that we
Speaker 2: can't do anything else and so that we pay them
Speaker 2: the money and we buy their products, because that's all
Speaker 2: they want us to do. They're not there to try
Speaker 2: and help us. It's to try and I guess monetize
Speaker 2: off us and keep us small.
Speaker 1: So totally like take up the space, take up space,
Speaker 1: And something I love about your journey too. And this
Speaker 1: is just going off on a tangent as I w
Speaker 1: was to is because like when you left teaching full
Speaker 1: time to do Instagram full time, your message at that
Speaker 1: point was body acceptance.
Speaker 2: Yes, it must have been fresh into kind of making
Speaker 2: that switch though, because.
Speaker 1: I swear I found your account because you made that
Speaker 1: switch because I was in the same boat. Yes, And
Speaker 1: something that I loved was the concept of you could leave,
Speaker 1: you know, your full time job to go and do
Speaker 1: this social media thing, and you weren't leaving it to
Speaker 1: go be a fitness influencer. Yes. Yes, And it's like
Speaker 1: it's such a testament to like there are actually no
Speaker 1: rules because in my mind I wanted to be small
Speaker 1: and fitter to fit in to get to where I
Speaker 1: want to be. Yes, so in love with your journey
Speaker 1: that it's like you absolutely got to where you want
Speaker 1: to be by being yourself.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was almost the opposite of that. Yeah, It's
Speaker 2: like I had to rebel against diet culture and all
Speaker 2: of society's ideals and expectations to be able to live
Speaker 2: the life I wanted to live and to spread the
Speaker 2: message I wanted to spread. And I think that I
Speaker 2: really had to step into who I actually was, because
Speaker 2: I'd lost so much of that along the way that
Speaker 2: I really had to kind of rediscover what I wanted
Speaker 2: to share, what my value was, and who I was
Speaker 2: as a person because that past version just wasn't it.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I think the fact that I could it
Speaker 2: was also kind of like, again taboo. At that point,
Speaker 2: there wasn't many people that were kind of going the
Speaker 2: other way and against that culture. I think it was
Speaker 2: still very fitnessy culture back then. So for me to
Speaker 2: then flip that switch and to be quite open about
Speaker 2: my body changing and weight going on and my lifestyle
Speaker 2: changing and whatever was kind of not necessarily unseen or
Speaker 2: unheard of, but it was really fresh. So yeah, that
Speaker 2: transition was something that was kind of totally new. So
Speaker 2: I kind of loved that in a way that it
Speaker 2: was almost a bit of a breakthrough moment for socials,
Speaker 2: for people to see other people living that life and going,
Speaker 2: hang on a second, like, I don't have to fit
Speaker 2: into that box to have my dream life. I can
Speaker 2: do this and be who I want to be and
Speaker 2: eat what I want to eat and not be so
Speaker 2: consumed by those thoughts but still achieve the things I
Speaker 2: want to achieve. So yeah, I think it was kind
Speaker 2: of the opposite of what was happening.
Speaker 1: I love that so much. And I think because let's
Speaker 1: even just take you back a moment for me personally,
Speaker 1: something I loved about your content to which I hadn't
Speaker 1: seen because again, I felt like on social media it's
Speaker 1: either you were like a full fitness person yep, or
Speaker 1: you were full body positivity and it was like, no,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna work out, I'm gonna like eat whatever
Speaker 1: I want. And what I found with your account is
Speaker 1: like you were this person in the middle who was like,
Speaker 1: I still love going to gym, I still love moving
Speaker 1: my body. You know, you took NH products, you were
Speaker 1: still about your health, but you did it in just
Speaker 1: such a like holistic way and just way that not
Speaker 1: many people on social media spoke about. And that's really
Speaker 1: what attracted me to your content. Yeah. I was just like, well,
Speaker 1: she's really just breaking all the rules and I'm obsessed.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Oh I love that, And I love that that's
Speaker 2: what you took from it, because definitely, I still no
Speaker 2: matter what size I've been or what I've been into
Speaker 2: at the time, I still prioritize what makes me feel
Speaker 2: good and what makes my brain function the best and
Speaker 2: allows me to focus. And I honestly find movement joyful
Speaker 2: and it's fun and when you're there for me. I'm
Speaker 2: very social, so I trained with friends. I find it
Speaker 2: very like uplifting and it's vibey, you know, like it's
Speaker 2: a great way to start my day. And I don't
Speaker 2: think that gym and movement have to be categorized in
Speaker 2: that kind of diet culture box, because you can do
Speaker 2: all those things and you can have those in your
Speaker 2: routine and still be kind of, you know, living your
Speaker 2: own path and doing what makes you feel good, not
Speaker 2: what you feel like you have to do. I don't
Speaker 2: go to gym because I feel like I have to
Speaker 2: and I need to. I don't know look a certain
Speaker 2: way or anything. It's honestly all about how you feel.
Speaker 2: And when you find those things that make you feel great,
Speaker 2: regardless of what they are, then like honor that, you know,
Speaker 2: whether that's create like you feel like a salad one
Speaker 2: day cool, so like you can never eat a salad
Speaker 2: again because that reflects type culture, or you can never
Speaker 2: go to the gym again because that reflects diype culture.
Speaker 2: You can still do the things as long as your
Speaker 2: mentality around those things is I guess more positive and
Speaker 2: beneficial to your mental health, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I think it's still and you're doing it
Speaker 1: for you.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, not for those external validations or because you
Speaker 2: feel like you have to. It's because you can and
Speaker 2: you want to, and having that mind shift is really
Speaker 2: important as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, thank you. So I would love let's actually
Speaker 1: chat about your definition of self love and why you
Speaker 1: think it's important or what you think is important of it.
Speaker 2: Okay, I think self love is so individual and how
Speaker 2: you kind of categorize that and what you see self
Speaker 2: love as will depend on the individual. For me, it's
Speaker 2: essentially about almost being so detached from your body that
Speaker 2: it doesn't impact the decisions you're making. It doesn't impact
Speaker 2: what you think you can do. It's you accept who
Speaker 2: you are as you are, and you're kind of neutral
Speaker 2: about how you look. It's not a focus in your
Speaker 2: everyday decisions. It's not a focus in feeling like you
Speaker 2: can do something or can't do something. It's just it's
Speaker 2: who you are. It's your vessel to get you through life,
Speaker 2: and you accept that and you honor that and you
Speaker 2: treat it with care and kindness. But I don't think
Speaker 2: it has to be a I love every inch every day,
Speaker 2: because that's not realistic either. I think it's more in
Speaker 2: acceptance and just being at peace with who you are
Speaker 2: and what you look like.
Speaker 1: I love that. I love the point of you saying
Speaker 1: detachment because I think it's unrealistic that it's like you're
Speaker 1: going to be absolutely obsessed with the way you look.
Speaker 2: Every section, every day, in every single outfit. It's just
Speaker 2: not realistic.
Speaker 1: I almost see. Like for me self, love is almost
Speaker 1: the concept of you just don't even You're just not
Speaker 1: too worried about the reflection, Like you still look at
Speaker 1: yourself and you know, you get changed, you feel a
Speaker 1: certain way, but it's like it doesn't affect you in
Speaker 1: the way of, oh, well, I look like this, so
Speaker 1: I'm going to change what I wear. You're still allowed
Speaker 1: to have the thoughts of like, oh, you know, I'm
Speaker 1: feeling a bit bloated, I've got my period, all those things,
Speaker 1: but then it doesn't affect you then making certain decisions
Speaker 1: of how you go out through that day, like for example,
Speaker 1: I do have my period this week, and I have
Speaker 1: been just having a lot of you know, cramps and uncomfortable,
Speaker 1: and I have had moments where I'd like, oh, I'm
Speaker 1: retaining a lot of water and I'm just I'm not
Speaker 1: feeling great. But that doesn't affect me to wear anything
Speaker 1: different or to like act different. But in saying that,
Speaker 1: I'm not going to stand in front of the mirror
Speaker 1: and be like, fuck I look sexy.
Speaker 2: Yeah you can, yeah, yeah, yeah. And I think I
Speaker 2: think as well that you can have those thoughts and
Speaker 2: think it, but then that's it. But then it's gone.
Speaker 2: You're not dwelling on it all day. You're not sitting Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's really not that serious, Like have the thought and
Speaker 2: allow yourself to feel the feelings, but then you move
Speaker 2: on and you can still be like, okay, but in
Speaker 2: tomorrow or in a week's time, like you're not still
Speaker 2: thinking about that one day.
Speaker 1: Yes, you know, it's almost like seeing the bigger picture, yes,
Speaker 1: and yeah, like then that would not affect me for
Speaker 1: the rest of their day. But it's also like I
Speaker 1: have those thoughts sometimes.
Speaker 2: Yes, definitely. And I think that people often think self
Speaker 2: love is that you feel amazing every day and you
Speaker 2: love every inch and whatever, when that's just it's not
Speaker 2: what self love is. I think self love is more
Speaker 2: about acceptance and appreciation for what your body does, no
Speaker 2: matter how it looks on a particular day, yeah, I think.
Speaker 1: And kindness, yeah, like compassion of in those moments where
Speaker 1: you're like.
Speaker 2: Oh, like it's all good exactly. And it's not always
Speaker 2: about your body either, Like self love doesn't have to
Speaker 2: be in your reflection or how you see yourself. I
Speaker 2: think self love is just honoring the things that make
Speaker 2: you happy, that bring your joy, that make you, you know,
Speaker 2: love your life. Like that is also drawing attention to
Speaker 2: those things and honoring those things and nurturing those things
Speaker 2: so that then the body stuff isn't so much of
Speaker 2: a focus, so you're able to continue living your life
Speaker 2: and doing all those things, focusing on the internals and
Speaker 2: what brings you joy rather than that external validation.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, And I think even like my journey was
Speaker 1: self love even in the last I want to say,
Speaker 1: maybe six months, has even developed more because I've been
Speaker 1: working with this mind body trauma coach and we have
Speaker 1: been doing a lot of work around my thyroid disease,
Speaker 1: and so we have been doing a lot of like
Speaker 1: letting go of like emotional trauma and different things in
Speaker 1: my body and focusing on healing my thyroid. And so
Speaker 1: it's also self love in the way of really prioritizing
Speaker 1: rest and really prioritizing like would this put my body
Speaker 1: in a state of healing my thyroid? Yeah, And that's
Speaker 1: obviously like a very niche specific point, but again it's
Speaker 1: not even about like my physical body. It's like, oh, well,
Speaker 1: I'm not going to do a hit class because yes,
Speaker 1: I've then got a stressful workday, So I think what's
Speaker 1: going to be better is like pilates or your Yeah,
Speaker 1: because at the moment, the priority is, like, you know,
Speaker 1: healing my physical body definitely. And I think it's in
Speaker 1: even when you say that, I think it's in kind
Speaker 1: of knowing what feels good for you and if something
Speaker 1: feels a bit off, like your thighroider, like whatever, that
Speaker 1: might be honoring that as well and going like you
Speaker 1: are valuing yourself enough to put yourself first, find whatever
Speaker 1: is going on, or do whatever is making you feel
Speaker 1: good in that way rather than just being about your
Speaker 1: physical body. I think it's really important to see it
Speaker 1: in a way of yeah, it's what essentially kind of
Speaker 1: like like you're saying, like honors what you want to do,
Speaker 1: what's going to make you feel good, what benefits that
Speaker 1: future version of you and makes you get through the
Speaker 1: day in a better way.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know exactly. Yeah, And like whatever that morning
Speaker 2: routine looks like for you, that could be your active
Speaker 2: self love for the day.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love that. Let's chat about what's kind of
Speaker 1: like challenges that you have encountered on your self love
Speaker 1: journey and then how you've overcome them, because I feel
Speaker 1: like a lot of people would be interested in that. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I feel like there's a few things that were that
Speaker 2: obviously came up. One which is it's kind of going
Speaker 2: to be different for other people. But was the point
Speaker 2: when I made that switch on my social media obviously
Speaker 2: being a fitness girlie who was showing all of her
Speaker 2: food and tracking and stuff to then going, oh, I'm
Speaker 2: not tracking anymore, I'm not dieting anymore. I am essentially
Speaker 2: flipping my identity. That came with comments and trolls and
Speaker 2: people saying you've let yourself go and I followed you
Speaker 2: for this and now you're not this and how could
Speaker 2: you do this? This is what I looked up to
Speaker 2: you for. So that was a big challenge me to overcome,
Speaker 2: and I had to really lean on my support system
Speaker 2: because they were very much like, that's not you anymore, though,
Speaker 2: and you can reinvent yourself, and you can. Your content
Speaker 2: doesn't have to be reflective of that old version because
Speaker 2: you're going to constantly evolve. So I really had to
Speaker 2: kind of get out of my own head with that
Speaker 2: and like disassociate from those comments, because if I was
Speaker 2: to get sucked back in by those comments and go
Speaker 2: back to that life I was living, how was I
Speaker 2: staying true to what I wanted to do, who I
Speaker 2: wanted to be, I would be going back to that
Speaker 2: shell of a human. So my support system in that
Speaker 2: time definitely helped. But that was a big struggle of
Speaker 2: kind of finding my new identity, essentially, because I was
Speaker 2: always kind of known as the girl that lost all
Speaker 2: that weight and was on TV shows for it, in
Speaker 2: interviews for it, and so I'm like, is that a failure?
Speaker 2: If then I now do the total opposite and put
Speaker 2: weight on and live the opposite life of what I
Speaker 2: was doing, is that then seen as like no one's
Speaker 2: interested because that's not what I was known for. So
Speaker 2: that was a really big struggle for me, but then
Speaker 2: I guess more generally. Obviously, with getting out of that
Speaker 2: diet mindset, I did put weight on. So being a
Speaker 2: new size finding new clothes, that was a mental barrier
Speaker 2: I really had to get over because for so long
Speaker 2: I'd based my worth on the size of my clothes.
Speaker 2: So to then go shopping and new I had to
Speaker 2: go upper size, order two different sizes and not no
Speaker 2: what size I was. I actually got to the point
Speaker 2: of cutting all of the tags off my clothes. I
Speaker 2: found it so consuming that when I was trying things on,
Speaker 2: all I was looking at was the size, and in
Speaker 2: the morning, if a certain size didn't fit or I
Speaker 2: had to go up, that would determine then my mood.
Speaker 2: So I just chopped all the tags off and then
Speaker 2: I was like, I don't even know what size I am,
Speaker 2: it doesn't matter. I look good, I feel good. And
Speaker 2: then that allowed me to, yeah, I guess feel great
Speaker 2: and whenever I was wearing and not even think about
Speaker 2: the size that was attached to it. That was probably
Speaker 2: one of my biggest tips that I can give people
Speaker 2: when recovering, to try and get away because it's so
Speaker 2: numbers are just all consuming, whether that's scales, or sizes
Speaker 2: or calories or whatever. I think getting as far away
Speaker 2: from numbers as you can in whatever way you can
Speaker 2: is really beneficial. So yeah, that was a way that
Speaker 2: I kind of overcame the sizing debacle.
Speaker 1: I actually went through something similar of like when I
Speaker 1: was pregnant, I went upper size, and then I just
Speaker 1: never safe even when I wasn't fully as it went
Speaker 1: down and I had to it was like a full
Speaker 1: mind fuck.
Speaker 2: Yeah it is.
Speaker 1: It's so funny now because what really helped was me
Speaker 1: being like, well do I want to be a certain
Speaker 1: size or do I want to be comfortable?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 1: And like I look great, I feel yay and this, and.
Speaker 2: Like no one else knows. You're battling it in your
Speaker 2: own head. It just even think I always like to
Speaker 2: think as well as size is so subjective, as in
Speaker 2: like going to three different stores, your three different sizes,
Speaker 2: So where is really the validity. It's not like it's
Speaker 2: a standard across shops. So why are we so concerned
Speaker 2: about what size we're wearing on a certain day?
Speaker 1: Exactly? Yeah, it's again, it's like it's just space in
Speaker 1: your head that you could be using for so much,
Speaker 1: so much more other things that is just keeping you small. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I think as well, another thing was like unlearning
Speaker 1: all of those behaviors because for so long, it was
Speaker 1: so normal for me to you know, track every single
Speaker 1: little thing, or go to the gym for this many hours,
Speaker 1: or think that that's normal to talk about things I
Speaker 1: didn't like about myself, or that being the topic of conversation.
Speaker 1: So to unlearn all of that diet culture behavior was
Speaker 1: also a really big step that I feel like I
Speaker 1: had to do in order to heal, to try and
Speaker 1: get as far away from that mindset as possible. But
Speaker 1: when it's all you've known for two three four years,
Speaker 1: it's not a quick process, and those thoughts still can
Speaker 1: come back in throughout the healing journey as well. So
Speaker 1: I think kind of like being kind to yourself about
Speaker 1: that and knowing that it's not a flicker switch.
Speaker 2: Everything's great. I love my body, I love who I am.
Speaker 2: This has been like a what six seven year journey
Speaker 2: for me, Like it's not an overnight thing. So yeah,
Speaker 2: I think keeping that in mind as well is really
Speaker 2: important to kind of give yourself some grace.
Speaker 1: You literally have to rewire your completely. It's completely in
Speaker 1: brain wine. Yeah, you have to rewire.
Speaker 2: And that is what so many of those books made
Speaker 2: me realize, is that it was all about finding a
Speaker 2: new thought pattern and new wiring to my brain because
Speaker 2: it was just consumed by that for so long.
Speaker 1: So, Kay, what advice would you give someone who's just
Speaker 1: starting out on their self love journey?
Speaker 2: Obviously start with our Goddess Energy Journal, because obviously throughout
Speaker 2: the entire journal, we have created activities that are like
Speaker 2: a double page spread that delve deep into different aspects
Speaker 2: of self love and acceptance. And I think they're so
Speaker 2: powerful and so useful and will really be a great
Speaker 2: tool on people's journey to self love. So that was
Speaker 2: probably my first one. And then I would definitely say
Speaker 2: clean out your socials. I spoke about this in the
Speaker 2: masterclass as well, But I think clearing your feed of
Speaker 2: those accounts that make you feel worse or make you
Speaker 2: feel like you need to change, or that you compare
Speaker 2: yourself to that's not going to be beneficial when you're
Speaker 2: trying to recover from everything you've been ingrained with about
Speaker 2: diet culture. So clear out the people that make you
Speaker 2: feel worse, you know, whether that's then re following people
Speaker 2: that are like dog accounts or home renovations or things
Speaker 2: that have nothing to do with your body or your appearance.
Speaker 2: That can be really, really helpful, and I think in
Speaker 2: your healing journey, it's good to kind of detach and
Speaker 2: get as far away from that impact as much as
Speaker 2: you can, because that's obviously being shoved down our throat everywhere.
Speaker 2: So then to open your phone and see it again
Speaker 2: is just another thing. And then also remember that your
Speaker 2: worth is not measured on a size, on a weight,
Speaker 2: on a number. There is so much more to you,
Speaker 2: like your personality, your compassion, your kindness, your energy, how
Speaker 2: you show up in situations, that's what's going to be remembered.
Speaker 2: So kind of looking at the bigger picture and realizing
Speaker 2: that your body and your appearance is not your defining factor.
Speaker 2: You are so much more than how you appear, and
Speaker 2: how people describe you is not going to always be
Speaker 2: about how you look. It's going to be about how
Speaker 2: you made them feel, what memories you had together, the
Speaker 2: experiences you shared. That is the value. The value doesn't
Speaker 2: come from your outer appearance, and I think realizing that
Speaker 2: and knowing that allows you to then kind of be
Speaker 2: more accepting of how you look, because you realize it's
Speaker 2: not such a big deal, like you know, totally.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think that is a massive thing is realizing your
Speaker 2: worth is not based on your appearance.
Speaker 1: And you're having a bad morning, like the thoughts are
Speaker 1: coming back, Like what would you say to do?
Speaker 2: I think what I like to do is go back
Speaker 2: to what makes me feel good and forget about how
Speaker 2: I look. So whether that is reading a book on
Speaker 2: the couch, cuddling the dogs, having a bath, doing a
Speaker 2: face mask, something that fills up my cup and that
Speaker 2: is a little bit selfish, that also doesn't make me
Speaker 2: think about what my body looks like that day, or
Speaker 2: you know, things that I'm being hung up on that day.
Speaker 2: I think that's really important. And to also know, like
Speaker 2: we said that the thought will pass, the feeling will pass.
Speaker 2: Nothing is wrong with you. It doesn't mean that you're
Speaker 2: going backwards in your journey like it just means you
Speaker 2: need some time to kind of bring yourself back to
Speaker 2: what matters and what's important and to send to yourself
Speaker 2: so that those thoughts don't take over because it's not
Speaker 2: a long term, Like those thoughts don't have to be
Speaker 2: a long term thing. You can really like nip them
Speaker 2: and get rid of them and just sit with what
Speaker 2: makes you feel good, what brings you joy. I think
Speaker 2: it's bringing yourself back to almost like that in a child.
Speaker 1: That's what I would say, is like lock into people
Speaker 1: or things that it's like it's going to help you
Speaker 1: shift that it's going to help you remember. Often we
Speaker 1: just need that moment where our brain clicks back and
Speaker 1: we're like.
Speaker 2: Oh, hang on a second, wait, it bring myself back
Speaker 2: to earth. I'm actually great person. Yeah, Like I think
Speaker 2: I think that's important too, to like hype yourself up,
Speaker 2: like be your own cheerleader, believe in yourself and know
Speaker 2: that you are amazing, and that's okay. I think people
Speaker 2: are often they like shy away from not necessarily saying like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, I'm so amazing, But believing in yourself
Speaker 2: deep down is so powerful and it's okay to believe
Speaker 2: in yourself and to think that you are capable of
Speaker 2: great things. Like I think we're kind of limited in
Speaker 2: a way of like that's egotistical and that's stuck up,
Speaker 2: and that's this. It's like you can be confident and
Speaker 2: believe in yourself without being egotistical, you know. I think
Speaker 2: it's so important.
Speaker 1: Well, again, I think that's just a belief that keeps
Speaker 1: us small.
Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely it is.
Speaker 1: And it's like we like you should you should actually
Speaker 1: think you are the best person.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because if you don't, like, if you don't, have
Speaker 2: actually been concerned if you don't, Yeah, because like you
Speaker 2: should be Like, no, I am a great person in
Speaker 2: credit and I can achieve whatever I want to achieve.
Speaker 2: And I think that if you're not believing that about
Speaker 2: yourself and that's not what you're bringing to the table,
Speaker 2: how are other people going to support what you're wanting
Speaker 2: to do if you're not believing in yourself and your abilities?
Speaker 1: You know, and you know this is like a bit
Speaker 1: of a random thought, but I even go back to
Speaker 1: the universe, God, angels, whatever you believe in, would not
Speaker 1: have given me this amazing body exactly how it is.
Speaker 1: If this was not like the vessel, the body that
Speaker 1: I was meant to be in to go and do
Speaker 1: all the awesome.
Speaker 2: Shit, like it's exactly who you meant to be.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like they did not get it wrong.
Speaker 2: It wasn't a mistake. It was a mistake. No, here's your.
Speaker 1: Body and then you lose ten killings, change it or
Speaker 1: your dreams come true. No, they gave you the exact
Speaker 1: body that you're in right now for you a reason
Speaker 1: go and do whatever is on your heart.
Speaker 2: And if you believe that, how powerful is that to
Speaker 2: believe that? Like, if you go into things with that mindset,
Speaker 2: how can you kind of go wrong? And how can
Speaker 2: you not believe in yourself because you literally are believing
Speaker 2: you're built to be the exact way you are and
Speaker 2: achieve the things you deserve to achieve exactly, So like
Speaker 2: why would you think anything else?
Speaker 1: And that's You're just like you need to I one
Speaker 1: hundred percent. You just need to remember. And that's why,
Speaker 1: like I know, your pep talk is like so powerful
Speaker 1: and your meditation is so powerful because you just need
Speaker 1: those moments where you're like, oh my god, yes, i
Speaker 1: am exactly who I'm meant to be. I'm an amazing person,
Speaker 1: I'm in the body I'm meant to be. Nothing's a mistake.
Speaker 1: Like this is.
Speaker 2: Literally all perfect, yeap, And life is perfect and you
Speaker 2: are perfect and you.
Speaker 1: Are so fast perfect. Well, I feel like that's an
Speaker 1: amazing point to end on. And Kate, thank you so
Speaker 1: much for joining us and talking to us about this
Speaker 1: very very important topic. I think like you're just such
Speaker 1: a breath of fresh air and we all need the reminder.
Speaker 1: Like even then me talking, I was like, oh I need,
Speaker 1: I need.
Speaker 2: Right, that's right. Yeah I have a bad bitch.
Speaker 1: I am a fucking baddie. Yeah.
Speaker 2: No, I agree, and thank you so much much for
Speaker 2: having me. I think it's so important to spread that message,
Speaker 2: but also in a way that is really like relatable
Speaker 2: for all different people. It doesn't have to be this scary,
Speaker 2: overwhelming concept of self love. I think it can be daunting.
Speaker 2: So I think breaking it down into ways that are
Speaker 2: really like digestible and easy to incorporate into your everyday
Speaker 2: life is important as well.
Speaker 1: So important. Yeah, thank you so much, Thank you, Thank
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