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Speaker 1: Torres Strait Islander peoples. Today I'm your host, Georgie Stevenson,

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Speaker 1: and this is the Rise and Concer podcast. This is

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Speaker 1: the podcast where we cha mindset, self development and becoming

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Speaker 1: matter where you are in your journey, we're here to

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Speaker 1: help you be curious, pull yourself out, and embrace radical

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Speaker 1: you by, then you're in the right place. Hello everybody,

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Speaker 1: welcome back to the potty. Today we have the most

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Speaker 1: special episode for you. It's actually part one of two

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Speaker 1: with Kate Jones aka Dedicated Lifestyle, and in this episode

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Speaker 1: we are chatting about diet culture, her fitness journey, how

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Speaker 1: Kate's biggest shift in influencing Kate's self love journey, the

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Speaker 1: for you. If you are someone who has struggled with

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Speaker 1: I just cannot wait for you guys to hear it. Also,

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Speaker 1: So this journal is incredible, guys. I just love it

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Speaker 1: because it's so different to anything that we have created

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Speaker 1: something that I loved was the concept of you could leave,

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00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:45,320
Speaker 1: you know, your full time job to go and do

440
00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:48,560
Speaker 1: this social media thing, and you weren't leaving it to

441
00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:51,520
Speaker 1: go be a fitness influencer. Yes. Yes, And it's like

442
00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:55,960
Speaker 1: it's such a testament to like there are actually no

443
00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:59,960
Speaker 1: rules because in my mind I wanted to be small

444
00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:04,280
Speaker 1: and fitter to fit in to get to where I

445
00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:06,719
Speaker 1: want to be. Yes, so in love with your journey

446
00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:09,240
Speaker 1: that it's like you absolutely got to where you want

447
00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:10,680
Speaker 1: to be by being yourself.

448
00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:13,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was almost the opposite of that. Yeah, It's

449
00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:16,440
Speaker 2: like I had to rebel against diet culture and all

450
00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:19,560
Speaker 2: of society's ideals and expectations to be able to live

451
00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:22,080
Speaker 2: the life I wanted to live and to spread the

452
00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:24,040
Speaker 2: message I wanted to spread. And I think that I

453
00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:26,640
Speaker 2: really had to step into who I actually was, because

454
00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:29,399
Speaker 2: I'd lost so much of that along the way that

455
00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:32,080
Speaker 2: I really had to kind of rediscover what I wanted

456
00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:34,480
Speaker 2: to share, what my value was, and who I was

457
00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:38,080
Speaker 2: as a person because that past version just wasn't it.

458
00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:42,440
Speaker 2: So yeah, I think the fact that I could it

459
00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:45,760
Speaker 2: was also kind of like, again taboo. At that point,

460
00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:50,080
Speaker 2: there wasn't many people that were kind of going the

461
00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:52,879
Speaker 2: other way and against that culture. I think it was

462
00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:56,520
Speaker 2: still very fitnessy culture back then. So for me to

463
00:23:56,560 --> 00:24:00,120
Speaker 2: then flip that switch and to be quite open about

464
00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:02,960
Speaker 2: my body changing and weight going on and my lifestyle

465
00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:06,879
Speaker 2: changing and whatever was kind of not necessarily unseen or

466
00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:10,520
Speaker 2: unheard of, but it was really fresh. So yeah, that

467
00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:13,159
Speaker 2: transition was something that was kind of totally new. So

468
00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:16,199
Speaker 2: I kind of loved that in a way that it

469
00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:20,120
Speaker 2: was almost a bit of a breakthrough moment for socials,

470
00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:22,600
Speaker 2: for people to see other people living that life and going,

471
00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:24,840
Speaker 2: hang on a second, like, I don't have to fit

472
00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:27,120
Speaker 2: into that box to have my dream life. I can

473
00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:28,800
Speaker 2: do this and be who I want to be and

474
00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:31,560
Speaker 2: eat what I want to eat and not be so

475
00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:34,000
Speaker 2: consumed by those thoughts but still achieve the things I

476
00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:37,000
Speaker 2: want to achieve. So yeah, I think it was kind

477
00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:38,440
Speaker 2: of the opposite of what was happening.

478
00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:41,960
Speaker 1: I love that so much. And I think because let's

479
00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:45,399
Speaker 1: even just take you back a moment for me personally,

480
00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:48,600
Speaker 1: something I loved about your content to which I hadn't

481
00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:52,400
Speaker 1: seen because again, I felt like on social media it's

482
00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:55,879
Speaker 1: either you were like a full fitness person yep, or

483
00:24:56,320 --> 00:25:00,119
Speaker 1: you were full body positivity and it was like, no,

484
00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:03,600
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna work out, I'm gonna like eat whatever

485
00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:06,119
Speaker 1: I want. And what I found with your account is

486
00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:08,119
Speaker 1: like you were this person in the middle who was like,

487
00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:10,120
Speaker 1: I still love going to gym, I still love moving

488
00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:13,000
Speaker 1: my body. You know, you took NH products, you were

489
00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:15,919
Speaker 1: still about your health, but you did it in just

490
00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:20,080
Speaker 1: such a like holistic way and just way that not

491
00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:23,480
Speaker 1: many people on social media spoke about. And that's really

492
00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:26,320
Speaker 1: what attracted me to your content. Yeah. I was just like, well,

493
00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:28,760
Speaker 1: she's really just breaking all the rules and I'm obsessed.

494
00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:30,640
Speaker 2: Yeah. Oh I love that, And I love that that's

495
00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:33,919
Speaker 2: what you took from it, because definitely, I still no

496
00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:36,840
Speaker 2: matter what size I've been or what I've been into

497
00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:40,120
Speaker 2: at the time, I still prioritize what makes me feel

498
00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:42,760
Speaker 2: good and what makes my brain function the best and

499
00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:47,320
Speaker 2: allows me to focus. And I honestly find movement joyful

500
00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:50,280
Speaker 2: and it's fun and when you're there for me. I'm

501
00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:52,880
Speaker 2: very social, so I trained with friends. I find it

502
00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:56,119
Speaker 2: very like uplifting and it's vibey, you know, like it's

503
00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:58,760
Speaker 2: a great way to start my day. And I don't

504
00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:03,120
Speaker 2: think that gym and movement have to be categorized in

505
00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:05,320
Speaker 2: that kind of diet culture box, because you can do

506
00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:08,120
Speaker 2: all those things and you can have those in your

507
00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:11,760
Speaker 2: routine and still be kind of, you know, living your

508
00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:13,919
Speaker 2: own path and doing what makes you feel good, not

509
00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:15,800
Speaker 2: what you feel like you have to do. I don't

510
00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:17,280
Speaker 2: go to gym because I feel like I have to

511
00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:20,080
Speaker 2: and I need to. I don't know look a certain

512
00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:22,439
Speaker 2: way or anything. It's honestly all about how you feel.

513
00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:25,320
Speaker 2: And when you find those things that make you feel great,

514
00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:28,919
Speaker 2: regardless of what they are, then like honor that, you know,

515
00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:31,520
Speaker 2: whether that's create like you feel like a salad one

516
00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:33,240
Speaker 2: day cool, so like you can never eat a salad

517
00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:35,680
Speaker 2: again because that reflects type culture, or you can never

518
00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:38,080
Speaker 2: go to the gym again because that reflects diype culture.

519
00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:40,520
Speaker 2: You can still do the things as long as your

520
00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:45,600
Speaker 2: mentality around those things is I guess more positive and

521
00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:48,120
Speaker 2: beneficial to your mental health, you know what I mean.

522
00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:50,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I think it's still and you're doing it

523
00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:51,119
Speaker 1: for you.

524
00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:55,199
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, not for those external validations or because you

525
00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:56,919
Speaker 2: feel like you have to. It's because you can and

526
00:26:56,960 --> 00:27:00,280
Speaker 2: you want to, and having that mind shift is really

527
00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:01,080
Speaker 2: important as well.

528
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:06,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, thank you. So I would love let's actually

529
00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:13,040
Speaker 1: chat about your definition of self love and why you

530
00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:15,560
Speaker 1: think it's important or what you think is important of it.

531
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:20,120
Speaker 2: Okay, I think self love is so individual and how

532
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:22,720
Speaker 2: you kind of categorize that and what you see self

533
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:26,160
Speaker 2: love as will depend on the individual. For me, it's

534
00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:30,960
Speaker 2: essentially about almost being so detached from your body that

535
00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:34,520
Speaker 2: it doesn't impact the decisions you're making. It doesn't impact

536
00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:37,159
Speaker 2: what you think you can do. It's you accept who

537
00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:39,800
Speaker 2: you are as you are, and you're kind of neutral

538
00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:42,879
Speaker 2: about how you look. It's not a focus in your

539
00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:47,160
Speaker 2: everyday decisions. It's not a focus in feeling like you

540
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:49,280
Speaker 2: can do something or can't do something. It's just it's

541
00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:51,560
Speaker 2: who you are. It's your vessel to get you through life,

542
00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:54,800
Speaker 2: and you accept that and you honor that and you

543
00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:57,920
Speaker 2: treat it with care and kindness. But I don't think

544
00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:02,000
Speaker 2: it has to be a I love every inch every day,

545
00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:05,439
Speaker 2: because that's not realistic either. I think it's more in

546
00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:09,120
Speaker 2: acceptance and just being at peace with who you are

547
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:10,399
Speaker 2: and what you look like.

548
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:12,600
Speaker 1: I love that. I love the point of you saying

549
00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:17,400
Speaker 1: detachment because I think it's unrealistic that it's like you're

550
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:20,560
Speaker 1: going to be absolutely obsessed with the way you look.

551
00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:24,040
Speaker 2: Every section, every day, in every single outfit. It's just

552
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:24,920
Speaker 2: not realistic.

553
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:27,480
Speaker 1: I almost see. Like for me self, love is almost

554
00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:31,000
Speaker 1: the concept of you just don't even You're just not

555
00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:34,719
Speaker 1: too worried about the reflection, Like you still look at

556
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:36,960
Speaker 1: yourself and you know, you get changed, you feel a

557
00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:39,800
Speaker 1: certain way, but it's like it doesn't affect you in

558
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:43,040
Speaker 1: the way of, oh, well, I look like this, so

559
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:46,080
Speaker 1: I'm going to change what I wear. You're still allowed

560
00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:47,959
Speaker 1: to have the thoughts of like, oh, you know, I'm

561
00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:51,240
Speaker 1: feeling a bit bloated, I've got my period, all those things,

562
00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:54,520
Speaker 1: but then it doesn't affect you then making certain decisions

563
00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:58,480
Speaker 1: of how you go out through that day, like for example,

564
00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:00,360
Speaker 1: I do have my period this week, and I have

565
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:04,000
Speaker 1: been just having a lot of you know, cramps and uncomfortable,

566
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:07,280
Speaker 1: and I have had moments where I'd like, oh, I'm

567
00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:09,320
Speaker 1: retaining a lot of water and I'm just I'm not

568
00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:13,360
Speaker 1: feeling great. But that doesn't affect me to wear anything

569
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:16,360
Speaker 1: different or to like act different. But in saying that,

570
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:18,440
Speaker 1: I'm not going to stand in front of the mirror

571
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:20,600
Speaker 1: and be like, fuck I look sexy.

572
00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:24,040
Speaker 2: Yeah you can, yeah, yeah, yeah. And I think I

573
00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:26,800
Speaker 2: think as well that you can have those thoughts and

574
00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:29,480
Speaker 2: think it, but then that's it. But then it's gone.

575
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:31,960
Speaker 2: You're not dwelling on it all day. You're not sitting Yeah,

576
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:34,640
Speaker 2: it's really not that serious, Like have the thought and

577
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:37,160
Speaker 2: allow yourself to feel the feelings, but then you move

578
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:40,120
Speaker 2: on and you can still be like, okay, but in

579
00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:43,800
Speaker 2: tomorrow or in a week's time, like you're not still

580
00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:45,120
Speaker 2: thinking about that one day.

581
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:48,280
Speaker 1: Yes, you know, it's almost like seeing the bigger picture, yes,

582
00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:53,160
Speaker 1: and yeah, like then that would not affect me for

583
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:55,520
Speaker 1: the rest of their day. But it's also like I

584
00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:57,040
Speaker 1: have those thoughts sometimes.

585
00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:59,560
Speaker 2: Yes, definitely. And I think that people often think self

586
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:03,440
Speaker 2: love is that you feel amazing every day and you

587
00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:06,280
Speaker 2: love every inch and whatever, when that's just it's not

588
00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:08,440
Speaker 2: what self love is. I think self love is more

589
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:13,440
Speaker 2: about acceptance and appreciation for what your body does, no

590
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:16,280
Speaker 2: matter how it looks on a particular day, yeah, I think.

591
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:19,880
Speaker 1: And kindness, yeah, like compassion of in those moments where

592
00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:20,720
Speaker 1: you're like.

593
00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:23,960
Speaker 2: Oh, like it's all good exactly. And it's not always

594
00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:26,720
Speaker 2: about your body either, Like self love doesn't have to

595
00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:29,600
Speaker 2: be in your reflection or how you see yourself. I

596
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:32,360
Speaker 2: think self love is just honoring the things that make

597
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:35,720
Speaker 2: you happy, that bring your joy, that make you, you know,

598
00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:38,440
Speaker 2: love your life. Like that is also drawing attention to

599
00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:41,560
Speaker 2: those things and honoring those things and nurturing those things

600
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:44,560
Speaker 2: so that then the body stuff isn't so much of

601
00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:47,040
Speaker 2: a focus, so you're able to continue living your life

602
00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:50,400
Speaker 2: and doing all those things, focusing on the internals and

603
00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:53,320
Speaker 2: what brings you joy rather than that external validation.

604
00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:57,120
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, And I think even like my journey was

605
00:30:57,200 --> 00:31:00,680
Speaker 1: self love even in the last I want to say,

606
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:03,959
Speaker 1: maybe six months, has even developed more because I've been

607
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:07,880
Speaker 1: working with this mind body trauma coach and we have

608
00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:12,040
Speaker 1: been doing a lot of work around my thyroid disease,

609
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:15,800
Speaker 1: and so we have been doing a lot of like

610
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:19,360
Speaker 1: letting go of like emotional trauma and different things in

611
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:22,880
Speaker 1: my body and focusing on healing my thyroid. And so

612
00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:28,680
Speaker 1: it's also self love in the way of really prioritizing

613
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:33,600
Speaker 1: rest and really prioritizing like would this put my body

614
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:37,320
Speaker 1: in a state of healing my thyroid? Yeah, And that's

615
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:41,160
Speaker 1: obviously like a very niche specific point, but again it's

616
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:44,240
Speaker 1: not even about like my physical body. It's like, oh, well,

617
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:46,440
Speaker 1: I'm not going to do a hit class because yes,

618
00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:49,640
Speaker 1: I've then got a stressful workday, So I think what's

619
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:52,360
Speaker 1: going to be better is like pilates or your Yeah,

620
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:55,200
Speaker 1: because at the moment, the priority is, like, you know,

621
00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:58,200
Speaker 1: healing my physical body definitely. And I think it's in

622
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:00,720
Speaker 1: even when you say that, I think it's in kind

623
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:03,560
Speaker 1: of knowing what feels good for you and if something

624
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:06,320
Speaker 1: feels a bit off, like your thighroider, like whatever, that

625
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:09,600
Speaker 1: might be honoring that as well and going like you

626
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:13,840
Speaker 1: are valuing yourself enough to put yourself first, find whatever

627
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:16,440
Speaker 1: is going on, or do whatever is making you feel

628
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:20,000
Speaker 1: good in that way rather than just being about your

629
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:23,320
Speaker 1: physical body. I think it's really important to see it

630
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:27,280
Speaker 1: in a way of yeah, it's what essentially kind of

631
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:29,920
Speaker 1: like like you're saying, like honors what you want to do,

632
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:31,760
Speaker 1: what's going to make you feel good, what benefits that

633
00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:34,400
Speaker 1: future version of you and makes you get through the

634
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:36,080
Speaker 1: day in a better way.

635
00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:38,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know exactly. Yeah, And like whatever that morning

636
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:40,480
Speaker 2: routine looks like for you, that could be your active

637
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:41,360
Speaker 2: self love for the day.

638
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love that. Let's chat about what's kind of

639
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:49,920
Speaker 1: like challenges that you have encountered on your self love

640
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:53,360
Speaker 1: journey and then how you've overcome them, because I feel

641
00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:55,520
Speaker 1: like a lot of people would be interested in that. Yeah.

642
00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:57,840
Speaker 2: I feel like there's a few things that were that

643
00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:01,000
Speaker 2: obviously came up. One which is it's kind of going

644
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:03,400
Speaker 2: to be different for other people. But was the point

645
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:06,160
Speaker 2: when I made that switch on my social media obviously

646
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:09,360
Speaker 2: being a fitness girlie who was showing all of her

647
00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:12,000
Speaker 2: food and tracking and stuff to then going, oh, I'm

648
00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:16,080
Speaker 2: not tracking anymore, I'm not dieting anymore. I am essentially

649
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:23,320
Speaker 2: flipping my identity. That came with comments and trolls and

650
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:26,480
Speaker 2: people saying you've let yourself go and I followed you

651
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:28,480
Speaker 2: for this and now you're not this and how could

652
00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:29,880
Speaker 2: you do this? This is what I looked up to

653
00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:32,600
Speaker 2: you for. So that was a big challenge me to overcome,

654
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:36,800
Speaker 2: and I had to really lean on my support system

655
00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:40,840
Speaker 2: because they were very much like, that's not you anymore, though,

656
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:44,840
Speaker 2: and you can reinvent yourself, and you can. Your content

657
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:47,120
Speaker 2: doesn't have to be reflective of that old version because

658
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:50,640
Speaker 2: you're going to constantly evolve. So I really had to

659
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:52,240
Speaker 2: kind of get out of my own head with that

660
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:57,040
Speaker 2: and like disassociate from those comments, because if I was

661
00:33:57,080 --> 00:33:59,640
Speaker 2: to get sucked back in by those comments and go

662
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:02,440
Speaker 2: back to that life I was living, how was I

663
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 2: staying true to what I wanted to do, who I

664
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:06,640
Speaker 2: wanted to be, I would be going back to that

665
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:10,480
Speaker 2: shell of a human. So my support system in that

666
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:12,920
Speaker 2: time definitely helped. But that was a big struggle of

667
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:16,000
Speaker 2: kind of finding my new identity, essentially, because I was

668
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:18,200
Speaker 2: always kind of known as the girl that lost all

669
00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:20,480
Speaker 2: that weight and was on TV shows for it, in

670
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:22,880
Speaker 2: interviews for it, and so I'm like, is that a failure?

671
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:27,080
Speaker 2: If then I now do the total opposite and put

672
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:29,880
Speaker 2: weight on and live the opposite life of what I

673
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:32,839
Speaker 2: was doing, is that then seen as like no one's

674
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:35,680
Speaker 2: interested because that's not what I was known for. So

675
00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:37,719
Speaker 2: that was a really big struggle for me, but then

676
00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:42,040
Speaker 2: I guess more generally. Obviously, with getting out of that

677
00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:45,759
Speaker 2: diet mindset, I did put weight on. So being a

678
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:49,120
Speaker 2: new size finding new clothes, that was a mental barrier

679
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:51,919
Speaker 2: I really had to get over because for so long

680
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:55,360
Speaker 2: I'd based my worth on the size of my clothes.

681
00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:57,400
Speaker 2: So to then go shopping and new I had to

682
00:34:57,400 --> 00:34:59,880
Speaker 2: go upper size, order two different sizes and not no

683
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:02,600
Speaker 2: what size I was. I actually got to the point

684
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:05,759
Speaker 2: of cutting all of the tags off my clothes. I

685
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:08,960
Speaker 2: found it so consuming that when I was trying things on,

686
00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:11,520
Speaker 2: all I was looking at was the size, and in

687
00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:14,200
Speaker 2: the morning, if a certain size didn't fit or I

688
00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:17,040
Speaker 2: had to go up, that would determine then my mood.

689
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:19,160
Speaker 2: So I just chopped all the tags off and then

690
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 2: I was like, I don't even know what size I am,

691
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:23,880
Speaker 2: it doesn't matter. I look good, I feel good. And

692
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:26,759
Speaker 2: then that allowed me to, yeah, I guess feel great

693
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:28,759
Speaker 2: and whenever I was wearing and not even think about

694
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:30,920
Speaker 2: the size that was attached to it. That was probably

695
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:32,760
Speaker 2: one of my biggest tips that I can give people

696
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:36,120
Speaker 2: when recovering, to try and get away because it's so

697
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:40,560
Speaker 2: numbers are just all consuming, whether that's scales, or sizes

698
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:43,719
Speaker 2: or calories or whatever. I think getting as far away

699
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:46,080
Speaker 2: from numbers as you can in whatever way you can

700
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:49,040
Speaker 2: is really beneficial. So yeah, that was a way that

701
00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:52,280
Speaker 2: I kind of overcame the sizing debacle.

702
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:55,120
Speaker 1: I actually went through something similar of like when I

703
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:58,040
Speaker 1: was pregnant, I went upper size, and then I just

704
00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:04,319
Speaker 1: never safe even when I wasn't fully as it went

705
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:06,080
Speaker 1: down and I had to it was like a full

706
00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:06,600
Speaker 1: mind fuck.

707
00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:07,319
Speaker 2: Yeah it is.

708
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:10,719
Speaker 1: It's so funny now because what really helped was me

709
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:13,360
Speaker 1: being like, well do I want to be a certain

710
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:15,239
Speaker 1: size or do I want to be comfortable?

711
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:15,600
Speaker 2: Yes?

712
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:19,879
Speaker 1: And like I look great, I feel yay and this, and.

713
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:23,680
Speaker 2: Like no one else knows. You're battling it in your

714
00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:27,360
Speaker 2: own head. It just even think I always like to

715
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:31,279
Speaker 2: think as well as size is so subjective, as in

716
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:34,000
Speaker 2: like going to three different stores, your three different sizes,

717
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:38,839
Speaker 2: So where is really the validity. It's not like it's

718
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 2: a standard across shops. So why are we so concerned

719
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:44,960
Speaker 2: about what size we're wearing on a certain day?

720
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:49,560
Speaker 1: Exactly? Yeah, it's again, it's like it's just space in

721
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:53,719
Speaker 1: your head that you could be using for so much,

722
00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:57,479
Speaker 1: so much more other things that is just keeping you small. Yeah,

723
00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:01,279
Speaker 1: and I think as well, another thing was like unlearning

724
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:03,920
Speaker 1: all of those behaviors because for so long, it was

725
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:07,160
Speaker 1: so normal for me to you know, track every single

726
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:09,560
Speaker 1: little thing, or go to the gym for this many hours,

727
00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:13,040
Speaker 1: or think that that's normal to talk about things I

728
00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:16,640
Speaker 1: didn't like about myself, or that being the topic of conversation.

729
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:20,200
Speaker 1: So to unlearn all of that diet culture behavior was

730
00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:22,040
Speaker 1: also a really big step that I feel like I

731
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:24,640
Speaker 1: had to do in order to heal, to try and

732
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:27,759
Speaker 1: get as far away from that mindset as possible. But

733
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:30,960
Speaker 1: when it's all you've known for two three four years,

734
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:34,160
Speaker 1: it's not a quick process, and those thoughts still can

735
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:37,160
Speaker 1: come back in throughout the healing journey as well. So

736
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:39,799
Speaker 1: I think kind of like being kind to yourself about

737
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:42,160
Speaker 1: that and knowing that it's not a flicker switch.

738
00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:44,319
Speaker 2: Everything's great. I love my body, I love who I am.

739
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:47,720
Speaker 2: This has been like a what six seven year journey

740
00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 2: for me, Like it's not an overnight thing. So yeah,

741
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:53,799
Speaker 2: I think keeping that in mind as well is really

742
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:55,600
Speaker 2: important to kind of give yourself some grace.

743
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:59,520
Speaker 1: You literally have to rewire your completely. It's completely in

744
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:01,120
Speaker 1: brain wine. Yeah, you have to rewire.

745
00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:03,879
Speaker 2: And that is what so many of those books made

746
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:06,600
Speaker 2: me realize, is that it was all about finding a

747
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:10,120
Speaker 2: new thought pattern and new wiring to my brain because

748
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:12,439
Speaker 2: it was just consumed by that for so long.

749
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:16,960
Speaker 1: So, Kay, what advice would you give someone who's just

750
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:19,480
Speaker 1: starting out on their self love journey?

751
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:23,880
Speaker 2: Obviously start with our Goddess Energy Journal, because obviously throughout

752
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:27,200
Speaker 2: the entire journal, we have created activities that are like

753
00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:30,880
Speaker 2: a double page spread that delve deep into different aspects

754
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:33,359
Speaker 2: of self love and acceptance. And I think they're so

755
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:36,480
Speaker 2: powerful and so useful and will really be a great

756
00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:39,319
Speaker 2: tool on people's journey to self love. So that was

757
00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:42,200
Speaker 2: probably my first one. And then I would definitely say

758
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:45,880
Speaker 2: clean out your socials. I spoke about this in the

759
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:50,000
Speaker 2: masterclass as well, But I think clearing your feed of

760
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:53,200
Speaker 2: those accounts that make you feel worse or make you

761
00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:55,760
Speaker 2: feel like you need to change, or that you compare

762
00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:58,520
Speaker 2: yourself to that's not going to be beneficial when you're

763
00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:03,560
Speaker 2: trying to recover from everything you've been ingrained with about

764
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:07,480
Speaker 2: diet culture. So clear out the people that make you

765
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:11,840
Speaker 2: feel worse, you know, whether that's then re following people

766
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:15,399
Speaker 2: that are like dog accounts or home renovations or things

767
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:18,400
Speaker 2: that have nothing to do with your body or your appearance.

768
00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:21,200
Speaker 2: That can be really, really helpful, and I think in

769
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:23,920
Speaker 2: your healing journey, it's good to kind of detach and

770
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:26,319
Speaker 2: get as far away from that impact as much as

771
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:29,680
Speaker 2: you can, because that's obviously being shoved down our throat everywhere.

772
00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:31,359
Speaker 2: So then to open your phone and see it again

773
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:35,319
Speaker 2: is just another thing. And then also remember that your

774
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:38,359
Speaker 2: worth is not measured on a size, on a weight,

775
00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:40,600
Speaker 2: on a number. There is so much more to you,

776
00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:44,839
Speaker 2: like your personality, your compassion, your kindness, your energy, how

777
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:47,920
Speaker 2: you show up in situations, that's what's going to be remembered.

778
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:51,279
Speaker 2: So kind of looking at the bigger picture and realizing

779
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:55,440
Speaker 2: that your body and your appearance is not your defining factor.

780
00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:58,160
Speaker 2: You are so much more than how you appear, and

781
00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 2: how people describe you is not going to always be

782
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:02,560
Speaker 2: about how you look. It's going to be about how

783
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:05,239
Speaker 2: you made them feel, what memories you had together, the

784
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:08,880
Speaker 2: experiences you shared. That is the value. The value doesn't

785
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:12,319
Speaker 2: come from your outer appearance, and I think realizing that

786
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:16,560
Speaker 2: and knowing that allows you to then kind of be

787
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:20,359
Speaker 2: more accepting of how you look, because you realize it's

788
00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:23,800
Speaker 2: not such a big deal, like you know, totally.

789
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:24,120
Speaker 1: Yeah.

790
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:25,920
Speaker 2: I think that is a massive thing is realizing your

791
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:27,880
Speaker 2: worth is not based on your appearance.

792
00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:32,600
Speaker 1: And you're having a bad morning, like the thoughts are

793
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:35,239
Speaker 1: coming back, Like what would you say to do?

794
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:38,919
Speaker 2: I think what I like to do is go back

795
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:41,880
Speaker 2: to what makes me feel good and forget about how

796
00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:44,759
Speaker 2: I look. So whether that is reading a book on

797
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:47,560
Speaker 2: the couch, cuddling the dogs, having a bath, doing a

798
00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:50,560
Speaker 2: face mask, something that fills up my cup and that

799
00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:53,719
Speaker 2: is a little bit selfish, that also doesn't make me

800
00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:57,640
Speaker 2: think about what my body looks like that day, or

801
00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:00,440
Speaker 2: you know, things that I'm being hung up on that day.

802
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:03,279
Speaker 2: I think that's really important. And to also know, like

803
00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:06,280
Speaker 2: we said that the thought will pass, the feeling will pass.

804
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:09,319
Speaker 2: Nothing is wrong with you. It doesn't mean that you're

805
00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:13,000
Speaker 2: going backwards in your journey like it just means you

806
00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:16,520
Speaker 2: need some time to kind of bring yourself back to

807
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:19,440
Speaker 2: what matters and what's important and to send to yourself

808
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:22,799
Speaker 2: so that those thoughts don't take over because it's not

809
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:25,319
Speaker 2: a long term, Like those thoughts don't have to be

810
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:29,080
Speaker 2: a long term thing. You can really like nip them

811
00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:31,759
Speaker 2: and get rid of them and just sit with what

812
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:34,200
Speaker 2: makes you feel good, what brings you joy. I think

813
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:36,720
Speaker 2: it's bringing yourself back to almost like that in a child.

814
00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:41,040
Speaker 1: That's what I would say, is like lock into people

815
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:45,040
Speaker 1: or things that it's like it's going to help you

816
00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:48,920
Speaker 1: shift that it's going to help you remember. Often we

817
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:53,360
Speaker 1: just need that moment where our brain clicks back and

818
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:53,839
Speaker 1: we're like.

819
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:57,040
Speaker 2: Oh, hang on a second, wait, it bring myself back

820
00:41:57,040 --> 00:42:01,640
Speaker 2: to earth. I'm actually great person. Yeah, Like I think

821
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:04,399
Speaker 2: I think that's important too, to like hype yourself up,

822
00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:08,239
Speaker 2: like be your own cheerleader, believe in yourself and know

823
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:11,120
Speaker 2: that you are amazing, and that's okay. I think people

824
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:15,880
Speaker 2: are often they like shy away from not necessarily saying like,

825
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:19,240
Speaker 2: oh my god, I'm so amazing, But believing in yourself

826
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:22,520
Speaker 2: deep down is so powerful and it's okay to believe

827
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:25,480
Speaker 2: in yourself and to think that you are capable of

828
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:28,520
Speaker 2: great things. Like I think we're kind of limited in

829
00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:31,399
Speaker 2: a way of like that's egotistical and that's stuck up,

830
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:34,360
Speaker 2: and that's this. It's like you can be confident and

831
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:39,120
Speaker 2: believe in yourself without being egotistical, you know. I think

832
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:40,200
Speaker 2: it's so important.

833
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:43,479
Speaker 1: Well, again, I think that's just a belief that keeps

834
00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:43,960
Speaker 1: us small.

835
00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:45,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely it is.

836
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:48,680
Speaker 1: And it's like we like you should you should actually

837
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:50,840
Speaker 1: think you are the best person.

838
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:53,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, because if you don't, like, if you don't, have

839
00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:56,719
Speaker 2: actually been concerned if you don't, Yeah, because like you

840
00:42:56,760 --> 00:42:59,680
Speaker 2: should be Like, no, I am a great person in

841
00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:02,600
Speaker 2: credit and I can achieve whatever I want to achieve.

842
00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:06,000
Speaker 2: And I think that if you're not believing that about

843
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:08,480
Speaker 2: yourself and that's not what you're bringing to the table,

844
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:11,120
Speaker 2: how are other people going to support what you're wanting

845
00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:15,160
Speaker 2: to do if you're not believing in yourself and your abilities?

846
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:17,319
Speaker 1: You know, and you know this is like a bit

847
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:20,000
Speaker 1: of a random thought, but I even go back to

848
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:25,040
Speaker 1: the universe, God, angels, whatever you believe in, would not

849
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:29,480
Speaker 1: have given me this amazing body exactly how it is.

850
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:32,560
Speaker 1: If this was not like the vessel, the body that

851
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:34,680
Speaker 1: I was meant to be in to go and do

852
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:35,960
Speaker 1: all the awesome.

853
00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:37,680
Speaker 2: Shit, like it's exactly who you meant to be.

854
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:39,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like they did not get it wrong.

855
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:42,600
Speaker 2: It wasn't a mistake. It was a mistake. No, here's your.

856
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:45,239
Speaker 1: Body and then you lose ten killings, change it or

857
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:47,880
Speaker 1: your dreams come true. No, they gave you the exact

858
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:51,480
Speaker 1: body that you're in right now for you a reason

859
00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:53,959
Speaker 1: go and do whatever is on your heart.

860
00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:55,960
Speaker 2: And if you believe that, how powerful is that to

861
00:43:56,040 --> 00:43:59,560
Speaker 2: believe that? Like, if you go into things with that mindset,

862
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:01,680
Speaker 2: how can you kind of go wrong? And how can

863
00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:04,400
Speaker 2: you not believe in yourself because you literally are believing

864
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:06,400
Speaker 2: you're built to be the exact way you are and

865
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:09,040
Speaker 2: achieve the things you deserve to achieve exactly, So like

866
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:10,359
Speaker 2: why would you think anything else?

867
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:13,080
Speaker 1: And that's You're just like you need to I one

868
00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:15,399
Speaker 1: hundred percent. You just need to remember. And that's why,

869
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:18,040
Speaker 1: like I know, your pep talk is like so powerful

870
00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:20,000
Speaker 1: and your meditation is so powerful because you just need

871
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:22,440
Speaker 1: those moments where you're like, oh my god, yes, i

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Speaker 1: am exactly who I'm meant to be. I'm an amazing person,

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Speaker 1: I'm in the body I'm meant to be. Nothing's a mistake.

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Speaker 1: Like this is.

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Speaker 2: Literally all perfect, yeap, And life is perfect and you

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Speaker 2: are perfect and you.

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Speaker 1: Are so fast perfect. Well, I feel like that's an

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Speaker 1: amazing point to end on. And Kate, thank you so

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Speaker 1: much for joining us and talking to us about this

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Speaker 1: very very important topic. I think like you're just such

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Speaker 1: a breath of fresh air and we all need the reminder.

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Speaker 1: Like even then me talking, I was like, oh I need,

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Speaker 1: I need.

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Speaker 2: Right, that's right. Yeah I have a bad bitch.

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Speaker 1: I am a fucking baddie. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: No, I agree, and thank you so much much for

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Speaker 2: having me. I think it's so important to spread that message,

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Speaker 2: but also in a way that is really like relatable

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Speaker 2: for all different people. It doesn't have to be this scary,

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Speaker 2: overwhelming concept of self love. I think it can be daunting.

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Speaker 2: So I think breaking it down into ways that are

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Speaker 2: really like digestible and easy to incorporate into your everyday

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Speaker 2: life is important as well.

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Speaker 1: So important. Yeah, thank you so much, Thank you, Thank

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Speaker 1: you so much for listening to another episode of the

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