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Speaker 1: Three sixty with Katie wolf On Mixed one oh four

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Speaker 1: point nine thanks to Joyce Main Darwin.

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Speaker 2: It is time for the Big Issues, brought to you

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Speaker 2: by the Kolano Community Association and Aboriginal loaned operated and

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Speaker 2: community lead organization from the Top End to Tenant Creek

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Speaker 2: and joining us in the studio this morning.

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Speaker 3: Dave Tolner, good morning. Great to be with Katie and

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Speaker 3: Damian Hale. How are you.

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Speaker 4: I'm well, Thanks Wolfe, how are you very well?

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Speaker 3: Always try my best, you know, try.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 3: Ah, this we need to discuss.

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Speaker 2: There's always lots going on, but there's a lot of

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Speaker 2: talk at the moment about the international borders and when

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Speaker 2: we're going to open these international borders. I think we

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Speaker 2: touched on this last week as well, and it's just ongoing.

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Speaker 2: What do you reckon sooner rather than later or or

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Speaker 2: you know, give it a bit more time.

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Speaker 5: Well, I think there's been one thing that's been really

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Speaker 5: consistent from the Prime Minister about borders is that until

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Speaker 5: we can get everyone vaccined, the borders aren't going to open.

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Speaker 5: So instead of people coming out and bumping their gums

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Speaker 5: and stealing oxygen out of the air that will never

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Speaker 5: get back calling for borders to be opened, why don't

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Speaker 5: they change their narrative and say get out there and

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Speaker 5: get a vaccine, because and let's get this vaccine roll

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Speaker 5: out happening. The one thing that can secure opening the

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Speaker 5: borders is getting the population vaccine. At the moment, we're

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Speaker 5: on a pace.

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Speaker 4: So I said we were a wound at snail.

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Speaker 5: We're actually now on arthritic tortoise. We're moving that virgins.

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Speaker 5: Then we couldn't be early twenty twenty three, they're saying.

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Speaker 2: Then when you look at us here in the Northern Territory,

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Speaker 2: we're quite far behind as well. Like if you look

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Speaker 2: at us at the moment, just to take you through

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Speaker 2: our numbers, I believe we're at one in four. I

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Speaker 2: think that that's actually nationwide. But then for us in

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Speaker 2: the territory at the moment, fifty eight percent of our

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Speaker 2: vaccines have been used. We know in Alice Springs though,

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Speaker 2: that there's been a change as of basically, well, I

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Speaker 2: think today everybody over the age of sixteen is actually

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Speaker 2: able to go out and get vaccinated, or we need

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Speaker 2: to do that in DAR and do it all right.

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Speaker 3: Across the territory.

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Speaker 5: Well, I've got the visor done last Wednesday, I was

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Speaker 5: in Warrem Younger and trying to motivate the people to

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Speaker 5: been so much commentary around blood clotting and vaccines and

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Speaker 5: all this sort of stuff. So we lined up and

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Speaker 5: took five minutes when in I hate needles, but I've

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Speaker 5: got a photo of me getting the I've got advisor

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Speaker 5: and so it's three weeks of If I'm not over

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Speaker 5: at Warram Younger at that time, I'll just go to

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Speaker 5: Tracy Village and get it done. But that's what people

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Speaker 5: can do. If you want things to get back to normal.

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Speaker 5: Let's try to get as many people you know vaccined

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Speaker 5: as we can and then we can start to get back.

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Speaker 6: Most people give us twice really seriously about what.

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Speaker 3: The vaccine, just getting us just go get it out.

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Speaker 7: I mean, I couldn't be bothered going to get us.

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Speaker 4: That's not.

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Speaker 6: Ultimately when you've got to get on a plane or

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Speaker 6: something like that, I might think about it.

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Speaker 7: But what's some perotive.

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Speaker 2: Well, and see that's something that we had spoken about

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Speaker 2: yesterday on the show. But I think what's imperative is

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Speaker 2: that then when those international borders open, is that we're

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Speaker 3: You know that we don't then end up place and

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Speaker 3: safer place than what we see in the likes of India.

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Speaker 2: At the moment, if we say place in India, there's

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Speaker 2: no ceruse, we shut the boarder right and we can't

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Speaker 2: keep the borders shut forever like you just simply can't.

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Speaker 3: You can't have time out.

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Speaker 5: The vaccine as it is now, It'll take until all

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Speaker 5: the goal that they want vaccine. So the best thing

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Speaker 5: all the people that have got a voice in Australia

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Speaker 5: should be encouraging Australians to get vaccined.

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Speaker 4: Because the sooner you get these out and don't.

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Speaker 5: Listen to Davis. David is a community leader. Just very

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Speaker 6: Of the population are going to be completely unaffected by coronavirus.

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Speaker 7: But let's go in and you're all going to.

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Speaker 2: Get the vaccine. You've previously said on the show that

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Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, when I got to get on a plane.

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Speaker 4: That's what it around the country.

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Speaker 7: That's it will motivate me.

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Speaker 6: Well, I don't know if you currently don't have to

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Speaker 4: I reckon, you're scared of needles, and I think what

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Speaker 4: I want to do is I'm going to take you

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Speaker 3: Tough enough along to even do a live cross.

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Speaker 2: When you guys go and get your vaccine, just let out.

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Speaker 4: A little squeal and you're tough enough.

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Speaker 2: But seriously, I think if we're going to open the

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Speaker 2: of next year, and it is about getting the economy

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Speaker 2: moving as well, which Dave, I know that you.

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Speaker 3: Feel passionate about.

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Speaker 2: If it is about doing that as well, then the

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Speaker 2: sooner we can get everybody vaccinated, sure the better.

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Speaker 6: Well I would have thought that nobody will be getting

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Speaker 7: So what's the album.

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Speaker 4: That's what Alan Joyce said, Well, what's the.

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Speaker 6: Problem anyone turning up? He's going to be vaccinated if

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Speaker 5: So when when should they kick that in? Now that

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Speaker 5: it's been open to everyone and we have the.

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Speaker 6: National border is open. I think that's when they're going

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Speaker 6: to be signed. There's got to be manitary. If you're

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Speaker 7: We're going to have to demonstrate.

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Speaker 5: That if domestically in Australia you can't fly until you

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Speaker 3: Yet, Yeah, I'm keen.

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Speaker 4: Well, they've got to do.

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Speaker 5: Something to get people to motivate to go and get done.

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Speaker 4: Why because they're not going to open the borders.

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Speaker 5: They've already said, the Prime Minister has already said that

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Speaker 2: Well, no I don't because I think it's about like

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Speaker 2: if you've got into.

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Speaker 7: The country, you've got to be vaccinated.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so they should all be vaccinated to be able

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Speaker 7: Is unaffected by it, So we don't have a respect.

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Speaker 3: Let me say it to you this way.

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Speaker 2: Everybody that's getting on the planes at the moment from

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Speaker 2: was meant to be COVID free, yet we still ended

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Speaker 3: Coronavirus out at Howard Springs.

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Speaker 2: So there's going to be situations where people still come

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Speaker 3: So for me, it's about making.

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Speaker 1: You carry It's well it could be, but I just.

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Speaker 4: Get it done and all the people.

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Speaker 7: This is.

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Speaker 6: Pandemic, pawn, you're talking now, this is serious.

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Speaker 5: The actual worst thing for the economy is what's happened

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Speaker 5: in Singapore and Taiwan.

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Speaker 4: They've shut down again.

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Speaker 5: The worst thing as economy in Australian economy is bouncing back.

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Speaker 5: Look what's happening here in the Northern Territory with people

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Speaker 5: worst thing that could happen at the moment in Australia

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Speaker 5: is to shut the economy down again. The best thing

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Speaker 5: The sooner we do that, the sooner we can open

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Speaker 2: I just want to play you by interesting that that

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Speaker 3: I'm not sure if you.

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Speaker 5: Heard, Katie, I promise that I'm going to take it

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Speaker 5: over along when I get my.

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Speaker 4: Second injections.

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Speaker 3: That injection.

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Speaker 4: Man, you'll be needles to listen to this.

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Speaker 7: You're not to talk to that days.

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Speaker 2: We know it was a busy weekend on the weekend

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Speaker 2: with plenty of people visiting. Haven't listened to what Alex

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Speaker 2: Bruce told me on the show a little bit earlier

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Speaker 4: We do need more kid convoys.

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Speaker 2: There's a fair few taps around town that were covered

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Speaker 2: Yeah, ran out of beer, not entirely, but yeah, some

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Speaker 5: Whoever's responsible for that should be un drawn and quartered.

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Speaker 2: Through Adam Well, it's a situation though at the moment

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Speaker 3: So what we thought we were going to.

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Speaker 6: Be that is me seriously, Well, I had something to

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Speaker 4: Nothing more morbid loncing public.

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Speaker 2: I can know that we still had the bottled stuff,

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Speaker 3: But we're waiting now.

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Speaker 6: For this much rather a full bottle in front of me,

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Speaker 2: If you've just joined us well, I am joined in

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Speaker 2: the studio this morning for the Big Issues with Dave

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Speaker 2: Tolna and Damian Hale and the Big Issues brought to

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Speaker 2: you by Kolano Community Association and Aborage Alaned operated and

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Speaker 2: community lead organization from the Top End to Tenant Creek.

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Speaker 2: And I want to take you to a national story

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Speaker 2: which is making headlines all around the place. Members of

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Speaker 2: Sydney's Seekh community have defended their children's right to bring

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Speaker 2: ability to observe their faith. They said bullying was behind

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Speaker 2: an incident in which a fourteen year old was accused

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Speaker 2: themselves or aid those in peril at Glenwood High almost

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Speaker 2: is reconsidering an exemption to laws that allows students to

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Speaker 6: To school to defend yourself. That's what they're saying. That's

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Speaker 6: I didn't.

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Speaker 5: I just think he just could all knives be left

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Speaker 5: at the front office. All knives left at the front office, Thank.

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Speaker 3: You, absolutely morsel.

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Speaker 5: What about when Bill Heffnon used to take his little

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Speaker 4: His apple with his Swiss army knife.

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Speaker 7: He didn't have a Swiss Army knife. He was a senate,

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Speaker 6: It Bill was good blake, but yeah, yeah, and he

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Speaker 7: No, I don't well.

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Speaker 7: Didn't care. I'm glad. I don't know. Look, it's religious thing.

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Speaker 2: Well yeah it may well be, But goodness, gracious mate,

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Speaker 2: do we really need him to have knives at school?

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Speaker 6: Like?

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Speaker 4: I think there was an old light bearing at Saint John's.

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Speaker 4: I reckon I needed a knife whenever I.

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Speaker 6: Was a.

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Speaker 5: She looked at me and went, well, you've done surprisingly well.

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Speaker 4: And I feel like saying that you're still here at

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Speaker 3: Do you think you were going to be when you

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Speaker 3: grew up in huh?

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Speaker 4: Well, when I grow up, I'm looking forward to it.

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Speaker 3: What are you hoping to be when you grow up?

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Speaker 4: Just to grown up?

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Speaker 5: I just want to make growing up decisions for myself

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Speaker 5: at the moment, Maria makes all the major once in

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Speaker 5: want to be treated like a growing up. Yeah I know,

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Speaker 5: but you don't want to like you just want to

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Speaker 5: stay a kid at heart well, I just.

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Speaker 2: Kept thinking, here in lies the problem with the big

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Speaker 2: issues every Tuesday, because all three of us clearly are

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Speaker 2: just pointing out that we're not the adults in our relationships.

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Speaker 4: I can't believe.

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Speaker 5: And they let all three of us on it together

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Speaker 3: Or my husband in my case.

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Speaker 2: Now, I don't want to just take you across to

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Speaker 2: the Townshill bulletin quickly and a North Queensland MP is

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Speaker 2: Townshill's crime nightmare. The Hinchinbrook MP Nick Demento I believe

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Speaker 2: inundated with carthv's break ins committed by a group of

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Speaker 3: Sounds familiar, doesn't it.

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Speaker 6: They got a labor government over there, and there's crime

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Speaker 7: Day labor governments. You find crime.

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Speaker 4: By the way he's legs started the twitch. He didn't

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Speaker 7: Need notes for that. That's just obvious, isn't it.

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Speaker 2: We are having issues across the board around Australia at

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Speaker 2: the moment with some of these concerns with you crime,

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Speaker 6: I think you know, good old Anastasia, she'll be running

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Speaker 6: of explaining why they've done what they've done and working

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Speaker 7: Do you reckon what labor governments do.

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Speaker 6: They're very, very sensitive when it comes to criminals.

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Speaker 5: I think crime is a serious issue right around Australia,

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Speaker 5: I think, as I've always said, I don't go into

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Speaker 5: blaming either side of politics because it occurs in New

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Speaker 4: I have shootings and top level.

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Speaker 7: But there's organized ramifications and there's a lot of them.

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Speaker 7: There's notifications where there's a labor in.

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Speaker 4: New South Wales.

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Speaker 5: But the thing is that you've got to have a

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Speaker 5: And if it's gone too far one way, well you

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Speaker 6: You reckon there's too many carrots, possibly could be who

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Speaker 6: knows that is there always carrots when there's labor governments around.

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Speaker 4: Well, there's got to be balance and we've got to

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Speaker 4: we're sort of working towards the stick. But we're working

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Speaker 4: on recommenda.

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Speaker 5: We're working on recommendations from a Royal commission, a royal

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Speaker 5: commission that was instigated that Dave Tollner's fingerprints all over it.

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Speaker 7: They've got carrots.

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Speaker 4: Now we've got all these.

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Speaker 5: No, we've got got cool by, We've got Royal Commission

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Speaker 5: now we've got all these recommendations that the government is

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Speaker 2: The very quickly before we wrap up this morning, we

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Speaker 3: Exactly what I find wonder if.

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Speaker 5: Well they their Facebook pages and their Instagram.

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Speaker 2: And the majority of the thirty eight strong group of

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Speaker 2: those arrived. There's been some people questioning whether they've received

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Speaker 7: I think they have.

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Speaker 6: I saw a photo of them in the Australian. It

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Speaker 6: must have been yesterday's paper. Yeah, and you can come

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Speaker 6: and head to toe ins in suits.

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Speaker 3: I'm the ppe. I'm looking at it now.

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Speaker 7: Actually I've never seen anybody traveling like that. It's especial.

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Speaker 4: Imagine the chair and they could get up to when

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Speaker 2: The weird part about it, just to paint a picture

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Speaker 2: They're at the front of the plane in their full

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Speaker 2: But then the weird part about it is the people

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Speaker 6: With the cricketers are being treated as special, aren't they.

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Speaker 7: Well they cover it up like that.

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Speaker 5: Well they're doing it tough, like you know, penic cooladas

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Speaker 4: We'll sit this one out. Boys.

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Speaker 2: You know there is the push for our Olympians to

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Speaker 3: I think that's actually happened. I'm all for it. I

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Speaker 7: If you were a weightlift, would you go? Would you

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Speaker 3: To go to the Olympics. Why wouldn't you?

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Speaker 7: Well you know that the girl from New Zealand's going

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Speaker 7: to win it.

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Speaker 3: There is no way that I can wait.

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Speaker 2: If competing in any sport, it would be something like

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Speaker 3: But I don't think I made I'll tell you now,

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Speaker 3: I never quite got them.

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Speaker 5: I encourage que jumpers to get out there and jump ques.

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Speaker 5: If people are going to sit back and not get vaccinated.

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Speaker 4: Be a queue jumper.

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Speaker 5: Today it was announced that sixteen year olds and up,

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Speaker 5: So don't sit back on your heels, don't wait for

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Speaker 3: Be a que jumper less.

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Speaker 4: Sixteen wednesdays.

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Speaker 5: Two wednesdays time. I'm taking out to Tracy Village and

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Speaker 5: we're going to we're going to do I'm getting my

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Speaker 3: Hold.

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Speaker 2: You do it between the hours of nine to twelve

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Speaker 2: so that we can do a live cross to you

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Speaker 2: both out there getting getting your vaccinationner. We've run out

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Speaker 2: of time and we've covered off on a lot this morning.

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Speaker 2: Lovely to catch up with so much for your time.

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Speaker 5: It's lucky only started talking about crime and on the

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Speaker 5: third subject. Otherwise we would have got nothing done well,

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Speaker 5: because Dave would have just been one a bit. We

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Speaker 4: I'm going to turn your mind stack just one thing.

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Speaker 4: He's forgot about that, and Defin has never forgot that's

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Speaker 4: got a.

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Speaker 3: Bit, never forgotten about that, and I think you'.

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Speaker 7: Jeez and treasury anything he does a.

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Speaker 4: Very good treasure, good treasure treasury.

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Speaker 2: Minutes away from eleven o'clock, Dave told her and Damien.

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Speaker 3: How thanks for your time this morning.

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