1 00:00:00,520 --> 00:00:05,640 Speaker 1: Already and this is the Daily This is the Daily OS. Oh, 2 00:00:05,800 --> 00:00:06,840 Speaker 1: now it makes sense. 3 00:00:14,640 --> 00:00:17,360 Speaker 2: Good morning, and welcome to the Daily OS. It's Wednesday, 4 00:00:17,400 --> 00:00:19,920 Speaker 2: the twenty fifth of February. I'm Zara Seidler. 5 00:00:20,200 --> 00:00:21,400 Speaker 1: I'm Billy fitz Simon's. 6 00:00:21,800 --> 00:00:25,000 Speaker 2: Earlier this week, the Mexican Army killed the country's most 7 00:00:25,079 --> 00:00:28,280 Speaker 2: wanted man, setting off a chain reaction of violence that 8 00:00:28,320 --> 00:00:31,680 Speaker 2: has continued in the days since. In today's podcast, we're 9 00:00:31,720 --> 00:00:36,120 Speaker 2: going to explain who Elmentcho was, why he was so significant, 10 00:00:36,159 --> 00:00:39,120 Speaker 2: both in Mexico and the US. I'll also get across 11 00:00:39,240 --> 00:00:42,000 Speaker 2: what has happened across Mexico this week. 12 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:49,400 Speaker 1: Zara, when this news broke on Monday morning, our time, 13 00:00:49,440 --> 00:00:52,400 Speaker 1: I believe it was you cared so much and you 14 00:00:52,440 --> 00:00:56,680 Speaker 1: were trying to tell me it's crazy. You were trying 15 00:00:56,680 --> 00:00:59,000 Speaker 1: to tell me why I should care, and I wasn't 16 00:00:59,080 --> 00:01:00,440 Speaker 1: quite on your level. 17 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:00,840 Speaker 2: Yep. 18 00:01:01,120 --> 00:01:03,640 Speaker 1: So this is your chance to now convince us all 19 00:01:03,680 --> 00:01:05,960 Speaker 1: why we should really care about this story. 20 00:01:06,040 --> 00:01:08,920 Speaker 2: We are really escalating the stakes here. We're increasing the 21 00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:10,560 Speaker 2: stakes to say, you know what, I don't know if 22 00:01:10,560 --> 00:01:13,399 Speaker 2: I could convinced Billy, but why not convince all our listeners? 23 00:01:13,880 --> 00:01:14,520 Speaker 2: Great idea? 24 00:01:14,720 --> 00:01:17,800 Speaker 1: Okay, So to fully understand this story, we need to 25 00:01:17,880 --> 00:01:20,360 Speaker 1: understand who Elmncho was. 26 00:01:20,520 --> 00:01:23,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, good starting point. Elmentcho. I'm referring to him 27 00:01:23,920 --> 00:01:27,720 Speaker 2: as Elmentcho. That was kind of what he was referred 28 00:01:27,720 --> 00:01:31,800 Speaker 2: to by everyone, by the media and certainly by groups locally, 29 00:01:31,959 --> 00:01:34,560 Speaker 2: so we'll call him that. It's not his real name, obviously, 30 00:01:34,720 --> 00:01:37,640 Speaker 2: but he was one of the country's most wanted men 31 00:01:38,080 --> 00:01:42,040 Speaker 2: because of his role leading the Khalisco New Generation Cartel, 32 00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:46,560 Speaker 2: which is Mexico's fastest growing crime group. Now, there are 33 00:01:46,760 --> 00:01:50,200 Speaker 2: lots of different cartels that operate within Mexico, but this 34 00:01:50,240 --> 00:01:53,920 Speaker 2: one was really significant. The US recently described it as 35 00:01:54,080 --> 00:01:58,080 Speaker 2: one of the largest and most violent drug trafficking organizations, 36 00:01:58,440 --> 00:02:03,320 Speaker 2: responsible for exporting tonnage quantities of cocaine, methamphetamine, and illicit 37 00:02:03,400 --> 00:02:07,640 Speaker 2: opioids into the US. It was this group designated as 38 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:11,799 Speaker 2: a terrorist organization by the Trump administration last year, and 39 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:14,880 Speaker 2: prior to this week, the US had a fifteen million 40 00:02:14,919 --> 00:02:18,000 Speaker 2: dollar reward for any information that would have led to 41 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:20,960 Speaker 2: Elmencho's arrest. And so I guess that paints a bit 42 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:24,640 Speaker 2: of color as to how important and significant it was 43 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:29,600 Speaker 2: for authorities to find and capture this man and certainly 44 00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:33,160 Speaker 2: the importance of the group that he was leading within Mexico. 45 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:37,720 Speaker 1: So the US government wanted him arrested. Yeah, but they 46 00:02:37,760 --> 00:02:39,880 Speaker 1: weren't actually involved in the killing of him. 47 00:02:40,440 --> 00:02:44,119 Speaker 2: Well no, So what we understand about the US's involvement, 48 00:02:44,120 --> 00:02:46,760 Speaker 2: and I guess we're jumping a bit ahead, but what 49 00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:49,200 Speaker 2: we know is that they helped with intelligence, but that 50 00:02:49,320 --> 00:02:53,000 Speaker 2: Mexican authorities actually carried out the operation. 51 00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:53,600 Speaker 1: Right. 52 00:02:53,760 --> 00:02:55,840 Speaker 2: But the distinction that you just made between the capture 53 00:02:55,880 --> 00:03:00,359 Speaker 2: and the kill. Mexican authorities had captured him and then 54 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:04,080 Speaker 2: he died in their presence. So once he had been captured, 55 00:03:04,120 --> 00:03:06,720 Speaker 2: they were transporting him to a medical facility and he 56 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:09,200 Speaker 2: died in the helicopter on the way there. So he 57 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:11,520 Speaker 2: wasn't killed. It wasn't, you know, like when we think of, 58 00:03:11,720 --> 00:03:14,520 Speaker 2: for example, the Asumma bin laden operation, where we understand 59 00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:17,480 Speaker 2: he was killed then and there by authorities. That's not 60 00:03:17,520 --> 00:03:20,520 Speaker 2: what happened here. We don't know whether they were intending 61 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:24,280 Speaker 2: to just capture him. It seems like they were. But 62 00:03:24,320 --> 00:03:26,600 Speaker 2: then yet, as I said, he died a bit later 63 00:03:26,680 --> 00:03:28,920 Speaker 2: when he was being sent to a medical center. 64 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:31,760 Speaker 1: Before we get to more about what happened, here is 65 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:37,680 Speaker 1: a quick message from Today's sponsor Okay Zara. So the 66 00:03:37,760 --> 00:03:42,080 Speaker 1: killing happened on Sunday. How exactly did that happen? 67 00:03:42,440 --> 00:03:44,040 Speaker 2: So I said at the top that it was like 68 00:03:44,080 --> 00:03:46,840 Speaker 2: a Netflix movie, and I think that it's because I've 69 00:03:46,880 --> 00:03:49,560 Speaker 2: been watching The Night Manager. I don't know who you've 70 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:52,160 Speaker 2: seen it. No, Oh my god, it's amazing. But there 71 00:03:52,320 --> 00:03:55,160 Speaker 2: is an operation, not to give any spoilers, that is 72 00:03:55,240 --> 00:03:58,880 Speaker 2: quite similar to what happened here, and so it's really 73 00:03:59,720 --> 00:04:02,960 Speaker 2: it is almost theatrical in how it unfolded. So essentially 74 00:04:02,960 --> 00:04:06,720 Speaker 2: what we understand is that authorities have been waiting and 75 00:04:06,760 --> 00:04:11,960 Speaker 2: collecting intelligence on Elmentcho and his movements, but it all 76 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:15,680 Speaker 2: came to a head last Friday. And that's because authorities 77 00:04:15,760 --> 00:04:19,480 Speaker 2: found him by tracking someone who was close to one 78 00:04:19,560 --> 00:04:21,240 Speaker 2: of his romantic partners. 79 00:04:21,760 --> 00:04:24,440 Speaker 1: One of his romantic partners. 80 00:04:24,120 --> 00:04:26,080 Speaker 2: Yes, I mean, I'm not sure how many there were, 81 00:04:26,240 --> 00:04:27,880 Speaker 2: but it's been reported that it was one of his 82 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:31,800 Speaker 2: romantic partners got it. But they didn't track the romantic partner. 83 00:04:31,839 --> 00:04:34,920 Speaker 2: They tracked someone close to the romantic partner who went 84 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:39,240 Speaker 2: with the romantic partner to Elmentcho on Friday, and it 85 00:04:39,320 --> 00:04:43,000 Speaker 2: was then that they got eyes on him. So they 86 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:46,800 Speaker 2: found it through this partner, So on Friday she went 87 00:04:46,839 --> 00:04:50,720 Speaker 2: to visit him, and by Sunday they had launched this operation. 88 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:55,359 Speaker 2: Once she had left. Mexican President Claudia Shinbaum said that 89 00:04:55,960 --> 00:05:01,200 Speaker 2: with that intelligence, special forces raided the house captured Elmento, 90 00:05:01,279 --> 00:05:02,960 Speaker 2: but then, as I said, he was injured in the 91 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:06,920 Speaker 2: process and died in transit on the way to Mexico City. 92 00:05:07,160 --> 00:05:09,760 Speaker 1: So we don't know if the authorities were intending on 93 00:05:09,880 --> 00:05:11,560 Speaker 1: killing him during the operation. 94 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:14,080 Speaker 2: I mean, we can't say anything for certain, but it 95 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:17,560 Speaker 2: certainly doesn't look like that was what was meant to happen, 96 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:20,560 Speaker 2: given that he died in transit on the way to 97 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:23,560 Speaker 2: a medical center. You know, this wasn't that he died 98 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:27,160 Speaker 2: on the scene, It was some time after that. I 99 00:05:27,200 --> 00:05:30,440 Speaker 2: will just add that during the raid, Mexico's army came 100 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:34,480 Speaker 2: under attack and there was quite a violent clash between 101 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:37,680 Speaker 2: the army that was carrying out the operation and the 102 00:05:37,720 --> 00:05:41,240 Speaker 2: cartel members who were there protecting Elmentcho. We know that 103 00:05:41,279 --> 00:05:45,160 Speaker 2: security forces killed four cartel members there, and then a 104 00:05:45,200 --> 00:05:50,320 Speaker 2: further three died later similar to Elmentcho. Authorities then detained 105 00:05:50,400 --> 00:05:52,359 Speaker 2: another two cartel members. 106 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:56,840 Speaker 1: Okay, So to wrap up where we are. Mexico's military 107 00:05:56,880 --> 00:06:00,359 Speaker 1: captured Elmncho. He then died in transit the way to 108 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:02,880 Speaker 1: a medical center. They had the help of the US, 109 00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:05,479 Speaker 1: but yeah, the US wasn't actually involved in the operation. 110 00:06:06,279 --> 00:06:08,440 Speaker 1: And then what happened since then. 111 00:06:08,880 --> 00:06:13,160 Speaker 2: Well, essentially since this news became public, there has been 112 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:18,919 Speaker 2: this chain reaction with members of Elmento's cartel almost immediately 113 00:06:19,200 --> 00:06:23,400 Speaker 2: launching these kind of violent attacks across the country. So 114 00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:28,240 Speaker 2: we've seen them starting to block roads, burning cars, torching businesses, 115 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:31,400 Speaker 2: torching homes. You will have seen that there are images 116 00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:34,320 Speaker 2: of smoke billowing up into the air. That's part of 117 00:06:34,400 --> 00:06:38,440 Speaker 2: the arson attacks. And they've been these really targeted, almost 118 00:06:38,640 --> 00:06:43,200 Speaker 2: instantaneous responses to their leader being killed. They are trying 119 00:06:43,240 --> 00:06:47,160 Speaker 2: to create a sense of chaos on the streets. On Mondays, 120 00:06:47,160 --> 00:06:50,520 Speaker 2: schools and businesses were closed in some areas that were 121 00:06:50,560 --> 00:06:54,280 Speaker 2: worst affected by the violence, and residents and tourists were 122 00:06:54,320 --> 00:06:59,039 Speaker 2: instructed to stay indoors. There is a very popular tourist area, Portovyata, 123 00:06:59,440 --> 00:07:02,919 Speaker 2: where people have been speaking to media about being locked 124 00:07:02,960 --> 00:07:04,599 Speaker 2: down and told not to leave. 125 00:07:04,880 --> 00:07:07,159 Speaker 1: I saw some footage I think it was people in 126 00:07:07,279 --> 00:07:09,720 Speaker 1: an airport where they were running as soon as the 127 00:07:09,760 --> 00:07:12,880 Speaker 1: news broke and I was kind of confused. Why that 128 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:15,040 Speaker 1: meant that people were rushing out of the airport. 129 00:07:15,440 --> 00:07:19,040 Speaker 2: I think no one wanted to be in an open space. 130 00:07:19,160 --> 00:07:22,080 Speaker 2: No one wanted to be vulnerable to if the cartels 131 00:07:22,120 --> 00:07:24,480 Speaker 2: then made their way there. They wanted to be locked down, 132 00:07:24,520 --> 00:07:27,000 Speaker 2: and that's what authorities were encouraging them to do. Right 133 00:07:27,320 --> 00:07:30,560 Speaker 2: at the time of recording, Mexican officials have said that 134 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:34,920 Speaker 2: they have arrested seventy people and killed at least thirty 135 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:39,080 Speaker 2: four people suspected of being cartel members leading the violence. 136 00:07:39,320 --> 00:07:42,000 Speaker 2: Twenty five members of the National Guard have been killed, 137 00:07:42,080 --> 00:07:44,920 Speaker 2: as well as at least one civilian who we understand 138 00:07:45,120 --> 00:07:48,040 Speaker 2: was caught in a shootout. It's been reported that one 139 00:07:48,080 --> 00:07:50,800 Speaker 2: of the cartel's leaders has actually offered his men are 140 00:07:50,840 --> 00:07:54,000 Speaker 2: reward of one thousand dollars for every soldier they have 141 00:07:54,200 --> 00:07:57,120 Speaker 2: killed along the way in these last few days. So 142 00:07:57,560 --> 00:08:01,400 Speaker 2: there is really like a very public, clear statement of 143 00:08:01,440 --> 00:08:04,679 Speaker 2: intent with violence here. The cartel is not backing down. 144 00:08:05,120 --> 00:08:07,400 Speaker 2: They are saying, you killed our leader, we will now 145 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:08,280 Speaker 2: take to the streets. 146 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:11,320 Speaker 1: Wow. And then one other thing that I have seen 147 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:14,440 Speaker 1: is that Mexico is meant to be hosting the World 148 00:08:14,480 --> 00:08:18,200 Speaker 1: Cup this year and that this could potentially affect that. 149 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:21,880 Speaker 2: Yes, so Mexico, as you just said, is co hosting 150 00:08:22,080 --> 00:08:24,720 Speaker 2: the fifth World Cup in June this year. I don't 151 00:08:24,720 --> 00:08:27,440 Speaker 2: know how that happened that it's already this year. I 152 00:08:27,480 --> 00:08:29,760 Speaker 2: feel like these things just y, you know. 153 00:08:30,120 --> 00:08:31,360 Speaker 1: Anyway, Men's World Cup. 154 00:08:31,400 --> 00:08:33,240 Speaker 2: To be clear, it is the Men's World Cup. So 155 00:08:33,280 --> 00:08:37,120 Speaker 2: there are four matches scheduled to be hosted in Guadalajara, 156 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:41,120 Speaker 2: which is the heart of the current violence, and there 157 00:08:41,160 --> 00:08:44,560 Speaker 2: are now concerns that with this power vacuum that's been 158 00:08:44,600 --> 00:08:47,920 Speaker 2: created by the killing of El Mensho and with the 159 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:52,240 Speaker 2: violence that has ensued, that it could impact the World Cup, 160 00:08:52,360 --> 00:08:55,760 Speaker 2: you know, being able to play out peacefully in Mexico. 161 00:08:56,080 --> 00:08:58,640 Speaker 2: There hasn't been an official statement from FIFA at the 162 00:08:58,679 --> 00:09:01,480 Speaker 2: time that we're recording this pug pass about it, but 163 00:09:01,600 --> 00:09:04,600 Speaker 2: we do know that regulations mean that FIFA is allowed 164 00:09:04,600 --> 00:09:09,040 Speaker 2: to cancel or relocate matches if there is a security risk. 165 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:12,440 Speaker 2: So it could be that they decide to move those 166 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:16,040 Speaker 2: games out of Mexico if this violence doesn't dissipate. 167 00:09:16,360 --> 00:09:18,760 Speaker 1: And I think Mexico isn't the only country that is 168 00:09:18,800 --> 00:09:21,920 Speaker 1: hosting the Men's World Cup. No, so that would make 169 00:09:21,920 --> 00:09:24,240 Speaker 1: sense for it to relocate, like it would be easier 170 00:09:24,280 --> 00:09:25,960 Speaker 1: for them to do that than if they were the 171 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:27,120 Speaker 1: sole country hosting it. 172 00:09:27,160 --> 00:09:30,280 Speaker 2: One hundred. I mean, so much infrastructure goes into you know, 173 00:09:30,559 --> 00:09:34,200 Speaker 2: games like a World Cup, and so it's important to 174 00:09:34,360 --> 00:09:36,760 Speaker 2: the host country to be able to build that and 175 00:09:36,880 --> 00:09:39,840 Speaker 2: to increase tourism and all of those things. But you're right, 176 00:09:39,880 --> 00:09:42,360 Speaker 2: if there's not a security case to be made, then 177 00:09:42,400 --> 00:09:44,400 Speaker 2: they can move that to another country. 178 00:09:44,760 --> 00:09:47,880 Speaker 1: Czara is such an interesting story. 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