1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,759 Speaker 1: Before we get into today's episode, just a trigger warning. 2 00:00:02,759 --> 00:00:06,520 Speaker 1: We are discussing issues around pedophilia and child pornography, so 3 00:00:06,600 --> 00:00:08,320 Speaker 1: if this is something you don't want to listen to, 4 00:00:08,440 --> 00:00:10,560 Speaker 1: we do have the timecode in the note, so please 5 00:00:10,600 --> 00:00:14,000 Speaker 1: skip ahead. This is Outspoken, the podcast is not afraid 6 00:00:14,040 --> 00:00:17,479 Speaker 1: to say exactly what you're thinking. Our names are Amy, 7 00:00:17,560 --> 00:00:18,680 Speaker 1: Kate and Sophie Torba. 8 00:00:19,120 --> 00:00:20,639 Speaker 2: We're identical triplets, so. 9 00:00:20,720 --> 00:00:24,600 Speaker 1: We often don't have identical opinions, so sometimes things can 10 00:00:24,640 --> 00:00:30,360 Speaker 1: get heated. Outspoken covers all things reality TV, influencers, entertainment, 11 00:00:30,440 --> 00:00:31,800 Speaker 1: and issues facing with it. 12 00:00:32,640 --> 00:00:34,920 Speaker 2: That is so fat Thank you. 13 00:00:38,120 --> 00:00:40,440 Speaker 1: Welcome back to Outspoken. We are coming to you from 14 00:00:40,560 --> 00:00:43,640 Speaker 1: a new podcast studio. And when you say studio, you 15 00:00:43,760 --> 00:00:45,440 Speaker 1: mean another room in your house. 16 00:00:45,479 --> 00:00:46,400 Speaker 2: Sophie, Well, that's right. 17 00:00:46,400 --> 00:00:48,120 Speaker 1: I'm trying to talk it up a little bit because 18 00:00:48,120 --> 00:00:51,200 Speaker 1: I spent most of last night switching the two rooms around, 19 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:53,920 Speaker 1: so I really freaked Kate and Amy out because the 20 00:00:53,960 --> 00:00:56,480 Speaker 1: two rooms right next to each other. I've basically just 21 00:00:56,560 --> 00:00:58,760 Speaker 1: flipped them, so it feels like this room is somewhat 22 00:00:58,760 --> 00:01:01,840 Speaker 1: of a bizarro world. We do have the smaller bedroom now, though, 23 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:04,480 Speaker 1: I've got to put that out there. Wasn't thrilled when 24 00:01:04,520 --> 00:01:06,160 Speaker 1: we rocked up. But you have done a good job. 25 00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:09,160 Speaker 1: It's cleaner than the other room it is. It's very nice. Okay, 26 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:10,680 Speaker 1: I think you should tell us about what you've been 27 00:01:10,760 --> 00:01:12,399 Speaker 1: up to at work because a bit of manual labor 28 00:01:12,480 --> 00:01:14,680 Speaker 1: you've been doing. Yeah. Well, if you need the office painted, 29 00:01:14,760 --> 00:01:17,760 Speaker 1: I am your girl to go to because we have 30 00:01:17,920 --> 00:01:19,680 Speaker 1: been painting all Me and one of my co workers 31 00:01:19,720 --> 00:01:22,080 Speaker 1: have been painting our office and it was quite hilarious 32 00:01:22,120 --> 00:01:24,520 Speaker 1: because our boss came over from Melbourne and he made 33 00:01:24,520 --> 00:01:26,959 Speaker 1: the very impulsive decision that we would be painting the 34 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:30,160 Speaker 1: office a lovely orange color. So it's like a cool 35 00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:32,800 Speaker 1: peachy color. And to be honest, he said to me, 36 00:01:32,840 --> 00:01:35,200 Speaker 1: what color should we use? And I showed him a 37 00:01:35,240 --> 00:01:40,160 Speaker 1: picture of Abby Chatfield sex toy branding as the inspiration. See, 38 00:01:40,280 --> 00:01:42,360 Speaker 1: you told me that it was the color of Abby 39 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:44,920 Speaker 1: Chatfield sex toy, but I didn't realize that you'd actually 40 00:01:44,959 --> 00:01:45,640 Speaker 1: recommended it. 41 00:01:45,680 --> 00:01:47,320 Speaker 2: I thought that it was a coincidence. 42 00:01:47,400 --> 00:01:49,880 Speaker 1: No, so we actually went to Bunnings and I got 43 00:01:49,880 --> 00:01:52,000 Speaker 1: a photo of it. And you can color match things, 44 00:01:52,080 --> 00:01:54,360 Speaker 1: so I actually color matched the sex toy. We didn't 45 00:01:54,360 --> 00:01:57,040 Speaker 1: actually go with the exact color, but it was the 46 00:01:57,080 --> 00:01:59,680 Speaker 1: inspiration was from our So you complained that at your 47 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:02,760 Speaker 1: previous job you had a red offers and now you've 48 00:02:02,800 --> 00:02:05,120 Speaker 1: opted for an orange one. Well, I actually like the 49 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:07,400 Speaker 1: color orange. I think it's very nice, much better than 50 00:02:07,480 --> 00:02:12,640 Speaker 1: red so vibrated orange ones. Yeah, so cand not Alie Belly, 51 00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:18,960 Speaker 1: good night Aarmy Lennie, worst impression you do. Good night everybody, 52 00:02:19,720 --> 00:02:24,480 Speaker 1: A good night everybody. With TikTok surging in popularity, a 53 00:02:24,520 --> 00:02:27,600 Speaker 1: growing number of its creators are in the spotlight after 54 00:02:27,639 --> 00:02:31,040 Speaker 1: being accused of adopting childlike appearances to get more views 55 00:02:31,080 --> 00:02:34,359 Speaker 1: and likes. Questions have also been raised over the safety 56 00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:37,400 Speaker 1: of the app, with child safety experts labeling it a 57 00:02:37,480 --> 00:02:41,239 Speaker 1: pedophile's paradise, Amy can you tell us more so? At 58 00:02:41,240 --> 00:02:44,400 Speaker 1: the center of these allegations is Bella Porte. She's arguably 59 00:02:44,440 --> 00:02:46,760 Speaker 1: one of the most famous TikTok is to be accused 60 00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:50,800 Speaker 1: of infantization and I quote pet O baiting so Bella 61 00:02:50,880 --> 00:02:53,799 Speaker 1: has over sixty six million followers on TikTok and she's 62 00:02:53,880 --> 00:02:57,080 Speaker 1: really well known for creating dance videos. But her dance 63 00:02:57,160 --> 00:03:00,720 Speaker 1: videos include her dancing with her soft toy alarm, and 64 00:03:00,760 --> 00:03:03,720 Speaker 1: she's also really well known for taking in a TikTok 65 00:03:03,880 --> 00:03:05,920 Speaker 1: trend which I don't know if you guys have seen it, 66 00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:09,760 Speaker 1: but they use that face zoom effect and the creator 67 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:14,760 Speaker 1: pool's childlike expressions into the camera. So what's a childlike expression? 68 00:03:14,760 --> 00:03:16,840 Speaker 1: Because I have not seen this on Tia. Yeah, so 69 00:03:16,960 --> 00:03:19,520 Speaker 1: they make their eyes really wide and they go really 70 00:03:19,560 --> 00:03:22,480 Speaker 1: pouty and scrunch their nose up, and they'll often maybe 71 00:03:22,480 --> 00:03:25,240 Speaker 1: they'll be sucking a lollipop or they'll mind to a 72 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:28,160 Speaker 1: baby voice. I feel like we need to insert an 73 00:03:28,160 --> 00:03:30,680 Speaker 1: example of one of these clips because I have not 74 00:03:30,760 --> 00:03:32,600 Speaker 1: seen it. I feel like I don't want to see it, 75 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:36,480 Speaker 1: but let's throw to it now. Oh yeah, I ply 76 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:42,400 Speaker 1: never can endular busy. That's a cheatah oh. I found 77 00:03:42,440 --> 00:03:45,320 Speaker 1: that personally very disturbing, and I think it's really important 78 00:03:45,360 --> 00:03:48,360 Speaker 1: that we explain what infantization is because I think that 79 00:03:48,520 --> 00:03:51,560 Speaker 1: is a clear example of it. Yeah. Well, it's defined 80 00:03:51,600 --> 00:03:54,840 Speaker 1: as a portrayal of grown women acting and looking childish 81 00:03:55,200 --> 00:03:59,600 Speaker 1: through their attire, their demeanor, possessions, and posture. And it's 82 00:03:59,600 --> 00:04:02,760 Speaker 1: important to point out that infantization is not the same 83 00:04:02,800 --> 00:04:05,800 Speaker 1: as sexualizing children. So it's actually when an adult woman 84 00:04:05,920 --> 00:04:09,440 Speaker 1: portrays herself as a child and then sexualizes that concept. 85 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:12,680 Speaker 1: So Belle was actually twenty four years old, isn't she? Yes, 86 00:04:12,960 --> 00:04:16,360 Speaker 1: a lot of her content revolves around her posing in 87 00:04:16,440 --> 00:04:19,200 Speaker 1: a childlike way. It actually very much reminds me of 88 00:04:19,440 --> 00:04:23,720 Speaker 1: that the adult babies. It's really interesting because this childlike 89 00:04:23,920 --> 00:04:27,440 Speaker 1: behavior it's actually playing out a lot in pop culture. 90 00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:29,080 Speaker 1: So I don't know if you guys have noticed, but 91 00:04:29,160 --> 00:04:33,200 Speaker 1: there's been this huge trend recently of people wearing Disney 92 00:04:33,279 --> 00:04:35,920 Speaker 1: related clothing. And I know there's a lot of people 93 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:38,320 Speaker 1: out there that love Disney, and I mean, I know 94 00:04:38,400 --> 00:04:40,560 Speaker 1: a lot of people that have Disney stuff at home, 95 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:43,160 Speaker 1: but I've never thought of it as being like infantization. 96 00:04:43,320 --> 00:04:45,480 Speaker 1: But do you mean that the fashion world is trying 97 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:48,560 Speaker 1: to make this a thing? Well, there was recently a 98 00:04:48,680 --> 00:04:51,520 Speaker 1: pair of Mickey Mouse stilettos that was released and they 99 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:55,880 Speaker 1: became the most instagrammable shoes and there was seen them. Yeah, 100 00:04:55,960 --> 00:04:58,280 Speaker 1: so they had the little Mickey ears and there was 101 00:04:58,320 --> 00:05:00,520 Speaker 1: a lot of debate around it because a lot of 102 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:04,080 Speaker 1: people were saying that they were disturbed by this because 103 00:05:04,120 --> 00:05:07,279 Speaker 1: stiletto's are seen as being really sexy. And then there's 104 00:05:07,400 --> 00:05:11,400 Speaker 1: just this mix of childlike character on it, and people 105 00:05:11,440 --> 00:05:13,720 Speaker 1: are saying that there's this idea that women need to 106 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:17,560 Speaker 1: appear vergonable but then also be fuckable. What I find 107 00:05:17,640 --> 00:05:20,320 Speaker 1: really conflicting about Bella is she's sort of this mix 108 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:24,200 Speaker 1: between being a child's performer, so obviously appealing to children, 109 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:27,960 Speaker 1: but then this dark side where she also appeals to pedophiles. 110 00:05:28,320 --> 00:05:30,880 Speaker 1: It just made me think were High five doing this 111 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:33,719 Speaker 1: a little bit because they always had really attractive adults 112 00:05:33,800 --> 00:05:36,280 Speaker 1: in High five and they kind of pour kids outfits 113 00:05:36,320 --> 00:05:39,200 Speaker 1: and even the back and forth with Kathleen and job 114 00:05:39,279 --> 00:05:41,440 Speaker 1: job like, I feel like this was a very watered 115 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:44,040 Speaker 1: down version potentially of what we're now seeing. I think 116 00:05:44,080 --> 00:05:47,280 Speaker 1: it was to keep the dads entertained, not in theis well. 117 00:05:47,360 --> 00:05:50,440 Speaker 1: Critics of Bella have said that her content is actually 118 00:05:50,520 --> 00:05:53,240 Speaker 1: really harmful to women, and they've also said that this 119 00:05:53,400 --> 00:05:56,680 Speaker 1: type of content normalizes pedophilia and it also promotes the 120 00:05:56,760 --> 00:05:57,479 Speaker 1: idea that. 121 00:05:57,600 --> 00:05:59,040 Speaker 2: Women have to be submissive. 122 00:05:59,160 --> 00:06:02,400 Speaker 1: Do you guys agree with those critics. I think it's 123 00:06:02,640 --> 00:06:05,520 Speaker 1: very troubling, and I do agree that the behavior is 124 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:08,440 Speaker 1: harmful because TikTok is a platform that a lot of 125 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:10,960 Speaker 1: young people are on and seeing a twenty four year 126 00:06:10,960 --> 00:06:13,360 Speaker 1: old woman act like that. There would be a lot 127 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:15,839 Speaker 1: of kids out there that would copy that type of behavior, 128 00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:18,240 Speaker 1: so they would try and be really sexy but then 129 00:06:18,320 --> 00:06:21,200 Speaker 1: childish at the same time, and that type of content 130 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:22,920 Speaker 1: is just attracting pedophiles. 131 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:23,680 Speaker 2: Well, that's the thing. 132 00:06:23,880 --> 00:06:26,279 Speaker 1: Children would see the fact that she's got sixty million 133 00:06:26,320 --> 00:06:28,760 Speaker 1: followers and clearly that sort of content is getting her 134 00:06:29,200 --> 00:06:31,279 Speaker 1: more and more follows, making her more and more money, 135 00:06:31,320 --> 00:06:33,520 Speaker 1: and think, hey, I'm going to replicate this because obviously 136 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:35,960 Speaker 1: this is a great formula to get popular. Yeah, And 137 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:38,760 Speaker 1: that's why it's disturbing that young women are realizing that 138 00:06:39,040 --> 00:06:42,920 Speaker 1: TikTok is really popular with pedophiles that are seeking out 139 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:45,800 Speaker 1: this kind of content, so they're changing the type of 140 00:06:45,839 --> 00:06:48,160 Speaker 1: content they put out to actually appeal to these people 141 00:06:48,240 --> 00:06:51,000 Speaker 1: in order to get famous. What's really disturbing as well 142 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:53,920 Speaker 1: is TikTok really has the perfect formula for these sort 143 00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:56,760 Speaker 1: of predators because when you do sign up to the app, 144 00:06:56,839 --> 00:06:59,320 Speaker 1: you have to put what your likes are, so then 145 00:06:59,360 --> 00:07:02,320 Speaker 1: they select of a four U page. So these sort 146 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:05,520 Speaker 1: of predators would be putting in they like childish content, 147 00:07:05,960 --> 00:07:08,600 Speaker 1: and then so they're just getting this loop of these 148 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:10,800 Speaker 1: videos that they can just watch all night. And the 149 00:07:10,840 --> 00:07:13,440 Speaker 1: scary thing is you can also message people on TikTok, 150 00:07:13,520 --> 00:07:16,160 Speaker 1: so this is where it's getting really dangerous. It's pretty 151 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:18,880 Speaker 1: interesting because late last year, Bella hit back at this 152 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:21,840 Speaker 1: criticism and she tweeted, why am I not allowed to 153 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:24,680 Speaker 1: act cute? It's a natural thing to most Asians, but 154 00:07:24,800 --> 00:07:27,480 Speaker 1: people seem to hate me for it. I'm Filipino and 155 00:07:27,760 --> 00:07:30,520 Speaker 1: in the Philippines we love all singh and kauai a culture. 156 00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:33,280 Speaker 1: I grew up with it, so can't I just be myself? 157 00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:36,200 Speaker 1: Her statement really does add another layer to amy. For 158 00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:38,080 Speaker 1: those who don't know, can you tell us what kauwaii 159 00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:41,480 Speaker 1: culture is? Yeah? Well, kawaii culture is this culture of 160 00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:44,920 Speaker 1: cuteness in Japan, and in recent years it's actually gained 161 00:07:44,960 --> 00:07:48,640 Speaker 1: popularity in other East and Southeastern Asian countries and also 162 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:51,000 Speaker 1: in the US. And that's all down to the popularity 163 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:53,800 Speaker 1: of anime. So it doesn't just have to be a 164 00:07:53,880 --> 00:07:57,000 Speaker 1: person that can be kawaii and cute. It can be anything. 165 00:07:57,160 --> 00:08:00,920 Speaker 1: So it's something that's charming or vulnerable, shark and childlike. 166 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:03,440 Speaker 1: So if you think of characters that are really popular 167 00:08:03,520 --> 00:08:06,080 Speaker 1: in Japan, there's Hello Kitty and there's Pikachu. They're all 168 00:08:06,240 --> 00:08:09,480 Speaker 1: very cute characters, and it's become this aesthetic that is 169 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:14,720 Speaker 1: so popular in Japan. So you'll see it in clothes, entertainment, toys, mannerisms, 170 00:08:14,840 --> 00:08:17,480 Speaker 1: and now on TikTok. But we were actually talking about 171 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:19,240 Speaker 1: it the other day in our topic when we were 172 00:08:19,240 --> 00:08:21,800 Speaker 1: saying how Sammy Robinson was putting on more blush, and 173 00:08:21,880 --> 00:08:25,480 Speaker 1: that is a Kawaii cultural thing because children have very 174 00:08:25,600 --> 00:08:29,080 Speaker 1: like rosy cheeks. Yeah, well, being cute in Japan. You 175 00:08:29,200 --> 00:08:31,320 Speaker 1: might think that it's just something for women, but men 176 00:08:31,760 --> 00:08:34,520 Speaker 1: also value being cute, so some men will shave their 177 00:08:34,600 --> 00:08:37,959 Speaker 1: legs so they look more childlike. Really, and for women, 178 00:08:38,720 --> 00:08:42,000 Speaker 1: being cute is how they attract men. So it is 179 00:08:42,040 --> 00:08:45,439 Speaker 1: the height of attractiveists to have a round, childlike face 180 00:08:45,679 --> 00:08:48,439 Speaker 1: and to look cute and to portray this sense of innocence, 181 00:08:48,800 --> 00:08:50,840 Speaker 1: which really that doesn't sound. 182 00:08:51,200 --> 00:08:52,640 Speaker 2: That evil, does it. 183 00:08:52,760 --> 00:08:55,440 Speaker 1: Well, I think that this kawaii culture definitely adds context 184 00:08:55,480 --> 00:08:58,559 Speaker 1: to why she is behaving in this way. Yeah. The 185 00:08:58,679 --> 00:09:00,920 Speaker 1: thing with kawaii culture is that it's so popular in 186 00:09:01,040 --> 00:09:04,199 Speaker 1: Japan that people are actually trying to change their eyes 187 00:09:04,320 --> 00:09:07,640 Speaker 1: so they appear wider and more childlike, so either through 188 00:09:07,720 --> 00:09:10,960 Speaker 1: contact lenses or false eyelashes and makeup, but some people 189 00:09:10,960 --> 00:09:13,640 Speaker 1: are going to the extent where they're actually having surgery 190 00:09:13,720 --> 00:09:15,560 Speaker 1: to widen their eyes as well. So you can see 191 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:17,960 Speaker 1: how popular it is in Japan to look really cute 192 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:20,599 Speaker 1: and childish. Yeah, I've seen like filters on Snapchat and 193 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:21,880 Speaker 1: TikTok that achieved that. 194 00:09:22,080 --> 00:09:23,439 Speaker 2: Type of look exactly. 195 00:09:23,760 --> 00:09:29,079 Speaker 1: Well, while kawaii culture sounds relatively innocent, Japan really does 196 00:09:29,280 --> 00:09:32,800 Speaker 1: have an obsession with schoolgirls and it has a very 197 00:09:32,880 --> 00:09:37,360 Speaker 1: bad stance on child pornography, which is well documented. So shockingly, 198 00:09:37,520 --> 00:09:42,200 Speaker 1: possessing child porn was only criminalized in Japan in twenty fifteen. 199 00:09:42,880 --> 00:09:46,400 Speaker 1: I found this so disturbing. Well, in Tokyo, there's actually 200 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:49,320 Speaker 1: a really well known street referred to as jk Ali 201 00:09:49,480 --> 00:09:52,800 Speaker 1: or schoolgirl Ali, and for those who don't know, jk 202 00:09:53,360 --> 00:09:56,600 Speaker 1: means in Japanese schoolgirl. So if you go to Japan, 203 00:09:56,679 --> 00:09:58,760 Speaker 1: you often see young women on the street and they're 204 00:09:58,840 --> 00:10:01,640 Speaker 1: dressed in school uniform and they sell their time to 205 00:10:01,760 --> 00:10:05,040 Speaker 1: passers by, So men will pay to hold hands with 206 00:10:05,120 --> 00:10:07,240 Speaker 1: the girls or go for a walk or grab a 207 00:10:07,280 --> 00:10:09,920 Speaker 1: coffee and all sounds pretty innocent, but then it gets 208 00:10:09,920 --> 00:10:12,320 Speaker 1: a bit murky because some men will pay to sleep 209 00:10:12,360 --> 00:10:14,720 Speaker 1: on a girl. That's funny because it doesn't sound innocent 210 00:10:14,840 --> 00:10:17,440 Speaker 1: at all at all, Like, oh no, that sounds normal, 211 00:10:17,520 --> 00:10:20,000 Speaker 1: like a schoolgirl goes and holds some old man's hands. 212 00:10:20,679 --> 00:10:23,160 Speaker 1: It doesn't sound it doesn't sound normal, but it doesn't 213 00:10:23,280 --> 00:10:26,520 Speaker 1: sound like it's verging on illegal. Just really well, that 214 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:29,360 Speaker 1: kind of sounds like a sugar daddy situation. Yeah, don't 215 00:10:29,360 --> 00:10:31,880 Speaker 1: get me wrong, it sounds completely weird, but there has 216 00:10:31,960 --> 00:10:34,640 Speaker 1: been instances where, of course it has turned sexual. But 217 00:10:34,800 --> 00:10:37,400 Speaker 1: the most disturbing thing is that in Japan there are 218 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:41,319 Speaker 1: over three hundred JK cafes where these men pay to 219 00:10:41,440 --> 00:10:44,079 Speaker 1: hang out with underage girls. And the scary thing is 220 00:10:44,240 --> 00:10:47,800 Speaker 1: it's not even illegal. It doesn't sound pectly legal. Well 221 00:10:47,840 --> 00:10:50,199 Speaker 1: that doesn't surprise me when child porn was only made 222 00:10:50,600 --> 00:10:53,839 Speaker 1: a legal in twenty fifteen, which is just so disturbing. Well, 223 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:57,640 Speaker 1: UK journalist Stacey Dooley has produced an amazing doco on 224 00:10:57,800 --> 00:11:00,800 Speaker 1: this called Young Sex for Sale in Japan, and we 225 00:11:00,880 --> 00:11:03,319 Speaker 1: would highly recommend you check it out. We will leave 226 00:11:03,480 --> 00:11:06,240 Speaker 1: the details in the show notes below. After hearing more 227 00:11:06,280 --> 00:11:08,439 Speaker 1: about it, I think it's quite obvious that this is 228 00:11:08,520 --> 00:11:10,760 Speaker 1: a systemic problem, and I think it is something that 229 00:11:10,920 --> 00:11:12,760 Speaker 1: has really leaked onto TikTok. 230 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:14,360 Speaker 2: And I don't think it is the. 231 00:11:14,480 --> 00:11:18,640 Speaker 1: Creators at fault necessarily here, but is the perpetrators who 232 00:11:18,840 --> 00:11:21,400 Speaker 1: are wanting this sort of content and making it worth 233 00:11:21,440 --> 00:11:23,880 Speaker 1: people's while to put it out. That's a really chicken 234 00:11:23,960 --> 00:11:27,120 Speaker 1: in the egg argument though, because if they didn't create 235 00:11:27,200 --> 00:11:29,920 Speaker 1: the content, then those people wouldn't be coming to the plat. 236 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:33,200 Speaker 1: And is it their fault that people are sexualizing them online? Yes, 237 00:11:33,280 --> 00:11:35,760 Speaker 1: because they are adults and they are choosing to dress 238 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:38,000 Speaker 1: like children. But do you not think that they've grown 239 00:11:38,120 --> 00:11:41,280 Speaker 1: up with this cultural experience and they're playing that out. 240 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:44,199 Speaker 1: I think you have to look at Bella's intent, and 241 00:11:44,440 --> 00:11:47,319 Speaker 1: it does muddy the water a bit, considering she has 242 00:11:47,440 --> 00:11:50,800 Speaker 1: grown up with this kawaii culture and is she putting 243 00:11:50,800 --> 00:11:53,079 Speaker 1: out the content because she thinks it's cute or is 244 00:11:53,160 --> 00:11:56,080 Speaker 1: she putting it out because she knows that there are 245 00:11:56,160 --> 00:11:58,679 Speaker 1: pedophiles online that are lapping up this kind of content. 246 00:11:58,760 --> 00:12:01,160 Speaker 1: We have to look at the intent. I mean, I'm 247 00:12:01,160 --> 00:12:03,360 Speaker 1: saying she could. I'm saying we have to work out 248 00:12:03,400 --> 00:12:05,760 Speaker 1: where And I'm sure we have seen a lot of 249 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:10,080 Speaker 1: influencers that claim that they are, you know, producing content 250 00:12:10,200 --> 00:12:12,280 Speaker 1: for women, when it's quite clear that they are posting 251 00:12:12,280 --> 00:12:15,240 Speaker 1: their Bichani pictures for the male gaze. You don't think 252 00:12:15,679 --> 00:12:18,199 Speaker 1: that Bella would be getting a lot of comments and 253 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:20,800 Speaker 1: a lot of dms that would suggest that people aren't 254 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:24,120 Speaker 1: finding this content cute, they're finding it sexually. She's a 255 00:12:24,280 --> 00:12:27,160 Speaker 1: victim in that then, I don't know. I really don't agree. 256 00:12:27,240 --> 00:12:30,120 Speaker 1: I find it very worrying that this type of content 257 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:34,920 Speaker 1: is being glamorized and it is making people fantasize over children. 258 00:12:35,040 --> 00:12:37,360 Speaker 1: And I know she's not a child, but that's what 259 00:12:37,640 --> 00:12:40,079 Speaker 1: the content is doing. She's acting like a child, isn't she. 260 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:42,160 Speaker 2: I just think it's not as black and white as that. 261 00:12:42,240 --> 00:12:44,800 Speaker 1: I think that there is obviously a cultural layer to this, 262 00:12:44,960 --> 00:12:46,599 Speaker 1: and one that we have explored a little bit in 263 00:12:46,640 --> 00:12:48,480 Speaker 1: more detail. I just don't think it's as black as 264 00:12:48,600 --> 00:12:50,240 Speaker 1: black and white as people make it out to be. 265 00:12:50,520 --> 00:12:53,720 Speaker 1: Another young creator accused of deliberately trying to act under 266 00:12:53,800 --> 00:12:57,640 Speaker 1: age is UK based influencer Belle Delphin. Now, you guys 267 00:12:57,720 --> 00:12:59,920 Speaker 1: might have heard about Belle because she made headlines when 268 00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:03,079 Speaker 1: she tried to sell her bathwater online. I do remember this. 269 00:13:03,160 --> 00:13:05,520 Speaker 1: I think she made an absolute fortune from it as well. 270 00:13:05,960 --> 00:13:06,600 Speaker 2: Yeah she did. 271 00:13:06,800 --> 00:13:10,600 Speaker 1: And she's also risen to popularity due to her Awagi faces. 272 00:13:10,800 --> 00:13:14,319 Speaker 1: What is that? So? Awagi is from Japanese cartoons and 273 00:13:14,400 --> 00:13:17,800 Speaker 1: it shows characters exaggerated facial expressions during sex. 274 00:13:18,200 --> 00:13:18,760 Speaker 2: So she pulls. 275 00:13:18,800 --> 00:13:21,000 Speaker 1: If you google her, there's heaps of photos of her 276 00:13:21,040 --> 00:13:23,599 Speaker 1: pulling these particular faces. So what has I got to 277 00:13:23,720 --> 00:13:27,319 Speaker 1: do with infantization? Like, is she acting like a child 278 00:13:27,600 --> 00:13:31,320 Speaker 1: while she's pulling these faces? Well, she looks very childlike, 279 00:13:31,559 --> 00:13:34,360 Speaker 1: and the faces are from anime characters, which are also 280 00:13:34,520 --> 00:13:38,480 Speaker 1: considered childlike characters. But she's actually been accused of appropriating 281 00:13:38,640 --> 00:13:40,880 Speaker 1: Japanese culture, and I'm not surprised if you go and 282 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:44,160 Speaker 1: look at what she wears and the types of scenes 283 00:13:44,200 --> 00:13:46,760 Speaker 1: that she puts herself in on YouTube. So I'm assuming 284 00:13:46,840 --> 00:13:49,600 Speaker 1: she is a white woman. Yes, yes she is. Yeah, 285 00:13:49,640 --> 00:13:51,439 Speaker 1: she's a white woman. She actually looks like one of 286 00:13:51,480 --> 00:13:53,040 Speaker 1: the characters from Sailor Moon. 287 00:13:53,120 --> 00:13:54,199 Speaker 2: She's got that really. 288 00:13:54,160 --> 00:13:57,559 Speaker 1: Exaggerated hair, it's all pink. I did look up photos 289 00:13:57,559 --> 00:14:00,439 Speaker 1: of her and she literally looks like a cartoon character. 290 00:14:00,480 --> 00:14:02,720 Speaker 1: It's quite shocking. So where is she putting this type 291 00:14:02,760 --> 00:14:04,679 Speaker 1: of content because I feel like if you were putting 292 00:14:04,720 --> 00:14:08,400 Speaker 1: those sort of awagi faces on Instagram or TikTok, you 293 00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:10,880 Speaker 1: would be getting banned. Well, she has been banned. She 294 00:14:10,960 --> 00:14:14,959 Speaker 1: was permanently banned from Instagram and YouTube last year due 295 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:17,880 Speaker 1: to the sexual content she was posting, and she's now 296 00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:21,200 Speaker 1: on Only Fans and recently she was interviewed by Logan 297 00:14:21,280 --> 00:14:24,040 Speaker 1: Paul on his podcast and she revealed that she earns 298 00:14:24,200 --> 00:14:28,080 Speaker 1: one million dollars a month on OnlyFans. This to me 299 00:14:28,280 --> 00:14:31,240 Speaker 1: just seems like a category of porn that is sort 300 00:14:31,240 --> 00:14:34,040 Speaker 1: of hit the mainstream with TikTok. Yeah, that's right, and 301 00:14:34,080 --> 00:14:37,240 Speaker 1: I feel like now porn is more accessible on social media. 302 00:14:37,280 --> 00:14:39,320 Speaker 1: I feel like social media is a platform that people 303 00:14:39,360 --> 00:14:42,320 Speaker 1: are now seeking out pornography on. It also does show 304 00:14:42,480 --> 00:14:45,080 Speaker 1: that it does pay off to post this cutesy kind 305 00:14:45,160 --> 00:14:47,120 Speaker 1: of content. And this is why I think that it's 306 00:14:47,200 --> 00:14:49,680 Speaker 1: really wrong for these adults to be putting this type 307 00:14:49,680 --> 00:14:52,960 Speaker 1: of content out. I'm sorry, but you are literally baiting 308 00:14:53,040 --> 00:14:55,960 Speaker 1: pedophiles that will then go on and abuse children, and 309 00:14:56,040 --> 00:14:59,360 Speaker 1: I think it is disgusting. Well, when you jump on TikTok, 310 00:14:59,520 --> 00:15:01,880 Speaker 1: it is really disturbing because I remember going on there 311 00:15:01,920 --> 00:15:04,120 Speaker 1: for the first time and you go on your for 312 00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:06,920 Speaker 1: you page and it's just children dancing, and you're like, 313 00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:09,200 Speaker 1: oh my god, this is really disturbing to think that, like, 314 00:15:09,320 --> 00:15:12,320 Speaker 1: actually sixteen year olds like Charlie Emilio, you know, she's 315 00:15:12,360 --> 00:15:14,160 Speaker 1: going off and I remember seeing her and I was like, 316 00:15:14,240 --> 00:15:16,920 Speaker 1: hang on, she just looks like a very regular, normal 317 00:15:17,280 --> 00:15:21,080 Speaker 1: sixteen year old girl. And perhaps that is sadly the appeal. Yeah, 318 00:15:21,120 --> 00:15:22,720 Speaker 1: but a lot of the dances that they're doing are 319 00:15:22,760 --> 00:15:25,880 Speaker 1: also overtly sexualized, so you'll see ten year olds who 320 00:15:25,920 --> 00:15:28,960 Speaker 1: are trying to copy the Charlie d'amelios. It's really alarming 321 00:15:29,040 --> 00:15:31,080 Speaker 1: because if you look at TikTok, it really is the 322 00:15:31,200 --> 00:15:34,080 Speaker 1: nature of the beast that predators go to where children go. 323 00:15:34,320 --> 00:15:37,760 Speaker 1: So as TikTok has steadily become the most popular social 324 00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:40,560 Speaker 1: media apt for kids and teenagers across the world, of 325 00:15:40,680 --> 00:15:43,440 Speaker 1: course that's where predators are going to congregate. So I 326 00:15:43,560 --> 00:15:45,560 Speaker 1: really do think TikTok needs to be doing more to 327 00:15:45,680 --> 00:15:47,800 Speaker 1: make sure that children are safe on their platform. 328 00:15:48,160 --> 00:15:50,040 Speaker 2: They do have a minimum age. 329 00:15:49,840 --> 00:15:52,240 Speaker 1: So you do have to be thirteen to sign up, 330 00:15:52,560 --> 00:15:55,120 Speaker 1: but during the sign up process, like most others, you 331 00:15:55,200 --> 00:15:58,160 Speaker 1: can just simply lie about your age, and thirteen is 332 00:15:58,240 --> 00:16:01,040 Speaker 1: so young. I feel like these platforms so sophisticated that 333 00:16:01,160 --> 00:16:03,840 Speaker 1: they should be a system where that they can scan 334 00:16:04,040 --> 00:16:07,440 Speaker 1: their student ideas to prove their age, and maybe even 335 00:16:07,520 --> 00:16:10,240 Speaker 1: a blocker to ensure that the people that they're communicating 336 00:16:10,320 --> 00:16:13,120 Speaker 1: with are under eighteen. The most worrying thing is that 337 00:16:13,240 --> 00:16:15,320 Speaker 1: I feel like most kids sign up to this app 338 00:16:15,400 --> 00:16:17,720 Speaker 1: with the dream that they will somehow be discovered on 339 00:16:17,840 --> 00:16:20,720 Speaker 1: there and become TikTok famous, so they really don't want 340 00:16:20,720 --> 00:16:22,120 Speaker 1: to set their accounts to private. 341 00:16:22,200 --> 00:16:24,320 Speaker 2: Now, TikTok has recently. 342 00:16:24,040 --> 00:16:26,400 Speaker 1: Put in a rule that kids between the ages of 343 00:16:26,520 --> 00:16:30,040 Speaker 1: thirteen and fifteen do have private accounts, but they can 344 00:16:30,200 --> 00:16:32,240 Speaker 1: easily lie about their age, so I don't think that 345 00:16:32,320 --> 00:16:35,480 Speaker 1: that is a full proof rule or restriction at all. 346 00:16:35,680 --> 00:16:38,080 Speaker 1: At least they are trying to put measures in place. However, 347 00:16:38,200 --> 00:16:40,680 Speaker 1: as you said, it's very easy to change your age 348 00:16:40,720 --> 00:16:43,200 Speaker 1: and they're not be bound by those restrictions. That's right, 349 00:16:43,280 --> 00:16:46,800 Speaker 1: and it's really scary because a recent investigation showed that 350 00:16:46,920 --> 00:16:49,640 Speaker 1: kids as young as eight are being groomed on TikTok 351 00:16:49,720 --> 00:16:52,640 Speaker 1: and are being bombarded with sickening messages that their parents 352 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:55,920 Speaker 1: have come across and a lot of instances these pedophiles 353 00:16:55,960 --> 00:16:59,480 Speaker 1: are actually pretending to be children themselves and engaging with 354 00:16:59,520 --> 00:17:01,880 Speaker 1: them in a fly way. Well, aren't there some codes 355 00:17:01,920 --> 00:17:04,680 Speaker 1: that some pedophiles are using that parents can actually look 356 00:17:04,760 --> 00:17:08,080 Speaker 1: out for? So pedophiles are actually using different emojis to 357 00:17:08,160 --> 00:17:10,720 Speaker 1: communicate with one another on Instagram, So they will put 358 00:17:10,760 --> 00:17:12,320 Speaker 1: these emojis in their bios. 359 00:17:12,720 --> 00:17:14,440 Speaker 2: So they use the brightly. 360 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:17,920 Speaker 1: Colored cheese emoji and also the pizza emoji because the 361 00:17:18,080 --> 00:17:20,920 Speaker 1: sea of the cheese stands for child and the pea 362 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:23,760 Speaker 1: of the pizza stands for pornography. I hate to think 363 00:17:23,800 --> 00:17:26,960 Speaker 1: what they represent. So is that them alerting each other, Hey, 364 00:17:27,160 --> 00:17:29,119 Speaker 1: I've got child porn? Is that what it is? 365 00:17:29,560 --> 00:17:29,720 Speaker 2: Yeah? 366 00:17:29,760 --> 00:17:32,240 Speaker 1: So accounts will use the emojis on their post a 367 00:17:32,320 --> 00:17:35,600 Speaker 1: signal that they are sharing sexualized images with children, and 368 00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:38,000 Speaker 1: that is in a bid to avoid being detected obviously 369 00:17:38,119 --> 00:17:40,720 Speaker 1: by police. So they will share the emojis in their 370 00:17:40,760 --> 00:17:44,120 Speaker 1: description bar to advertise the fact that they sell child porn. 371 00:17:44,480 --> 00:17:46,639 Speaker 1: So a normal person will see this and not know 372 00:17:46,760 --> 00:17:49,080 Speaker 1: what a cheese and pizza emoji means and think it's 373 00:17:49,160 --> 00:17:52,560 Speaker 1: quite innocent. So are they getting this imagery from TikTok 374 00:17:52,840 --> 00:17:55,360 Speaker 1: that they're sending on well a lot of the time 375 00:17:55,560 --> 00:17:58,520 Speaker 1: these are screenshots that are actually taken from parents social 376 00:17:58,600 --> 00:18:02,359 Speaker 1: media accounts and pages, so which is ultra disturbing. What 377 00:18:02,600 --> 00:18:06,320 Speaker 1: is also so disgusting is that there are thousands and 378 00:18:06,440 --> 00:18:10,000 Speaker 1: thousands of followers who follow these types of pages, and 379 00:18:10,119 --> 00:18:14,080 Speaker 1: the platforms actually ask followers to DM for collaboration. So 380 00:18:14,240 --> 00:18:16,640 Speaker 1: I assume that what they're doing is they all get 381 00:18:16,720 --> 00:18:18,920 Speaker 1: together and share this sort of image. It's like a 382 00:18:19,080 --> 00:18:22,080 Speaker 1: child porn ring really on Instagram and TikTok. 383 00:18:22,480 --> 00:18:23,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, it really is. 384 00:18:23,960 --> 00:18:26,440 Speaker 1: And what actually happens is that they don't share the 385 00:18:26,560 --> 00:18:30,879 Speaker 1: photos on Instagram or TikTok. They go over to encrypted 386 00:18:31,280 --> 00:18:33,200 Speaker 1: different I'm not going to say what the what the 387 00:18:33,400 --> 00:18:35,479 Speaker 1: apps are called, because I obviously don't want to encourage 388 00:18:35,520 --> 00:18:38,160 Speaker 1: anything like this, but they go over to things. 389 00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:39,480 Speaker 2: That they can't be traced on. 390 00:18:39,880 --> 00:18:41,359 Speaker 1: So I mean, this is why people need to be 391 00:18:41,440 --> 00:18:44,720 Speaker 1: so careful when sharing images of their children or allowing 392 00:18:44,760 --> 00:18:46,600 Speaker 1: their children on these sort of apps. Yeah, I think 393 00:18:46,600 --> 00:18:49,040 Speaker 1: it's a very important message, and I think it's great 394 00:18:49,119 --> 00:18:51,800 Speaker 1: that we are talking about this because I would not 395 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:52,960 Speaker 1: have known any of this. 396 00:18:53,600 --> 00:18:56,200 Speaker 2: Why do you not leave the blow drives on all day. 397 00:18:56,760 --> 00:18:58,760 Speaker 2: If you're arred up for the electric, I'll pay. 398 00:18:58,640 --> 00:19:01,240 Speaker 1: You for it. Let's get in the influencer wrap and 399 00:19:01,359 --> 00:19:03,960 Speaker 1: we've got to talk about these mini handbags because I 400 00:19:04,040 --> 00:19:06,920 Speaker 1: feel like every influencer and their dog has one of 401 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:09,680 Speaker 1: these at the moment. Have you guys seen them? Yes, 402 00:19:09,720 --> 00:19:11,520 Speaker 1: I have seen them everywhere, and I feel like it's 403 00:19:11,560 --> 00:19:13,439 Speaker 1: a sign that I'm getting older because I think they 404 00:19:13,520 --> 00:19:16,040 Speaker 1: look really stupid. I actually think they're really cute, but 405 00:19:16,080 --> 00:19:18,159 Speaker 1: I would never have one because it looks like you 406 00:19:18,200 --> 00:19:20,880 Speaker 1: could literally only fit your ID card and a lipstick. Yeah, 407 00:19:20,880 --> 00:19:23,080 Speaker 1: you couldn't even fit your phone in it. Yeah. Well, 408 00:19:23,240 --> 00:19:25,640 Speaker 1: the Guardian has actually done an article on these little 409 00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:27,840 Speaker 1: bags and they did a bit of research and the 410 00:19:28,040 --> 00:19:31,479 Speaker 1: average surface area of a handbag has now shrunk by 411 00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:33,879 Speaker 1: forty percent. And I do have to say this is 412 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:37,879 Speaker 1: because trendsetter. I'm gonna this is really difficult to pronounce 413 00:19:38,119 --> 00:19:40,880 Speaker 1: Jack a Moose. Yeah, they're the little bags you see 414 00:19:40,880 --> 00:19:42,960 Speaker 1: every influencer have. I feel like you've really butchered it, 415 00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:44,480 Speaker 1: but I'm not gonna try and say it. That is 416 00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:47,520 Speaker 1: the designer name, Jack a Moose. They have brought out 417 00:19:47,600 --> 00:19:51,560 Speaker 1: these bags and the most popular ones are around eleven 418 00:19:51,680 --> 00:19:54,879 Speaker 1: centimeters in length and six centimeters in width, and obviously 419 00:19:54,960 --> 00:19:57,480 Speaker 1: a lot of dupes are now around the place trying 420 00:19:57,520 --> 00:20:00,320 Speaker 1: to copy these bags. But these bags have been carried 421 00:20:00,359 --> 00:20:04,679 Speaker 1: by models and celebrities like the Kardashians, Emily Radakowski, Hailey 422 00:20:04,800 --> 00:20:08,639 Speaker 1: b but basically every style icon. So they are super 423 00:20:08,760 --> 00:20:11,320 Speaker 1: popular at the moment, and they retail for about six 424 00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:14,480 Speaker 1: hundred and sixty dollars. Oh my gosh, it would drive 425 00:20:14,560 --> 00:20:16,880 Speaker 1: me mental having to hold onto it the whole time 426 00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:18,320 Speaker 1: because it's not like you could even put it on 427 00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:20,600 Speaker 1: your shoulder. You'd lose it, Like I forget, I'd put 428 00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:22,639 Speaker 1: it down and then just forget about it. That's one 429 00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:25,000 Speaker 1: of the trends that I feel like men just wouldn't understand. 430 00:20:25,080 --> 00:20:26,840 Speaker 1: Like you'd pay six hundred dollars for a bag and 431 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:28,600 Speaker 1: you'd walk out and your boyfriend would be like, what 432 00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:30,800 Speaker 1: the hell is that? Is it kind of like, you know, 433 00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:33,240 Speaker 1: we've just been talking about TikTok and childish things? Is 434 00:20:33,280 --> 00:20:35,040 Speaker 1: it sort of a part of this trend? I feel 435 00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:37,520 Speaker 1: like these bags are really becoming a social media moment, 436 00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:40,560 Speaker 1: and that's something that the designer Simon Jack and Mouse realized, 437 00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:44,080 Speaker 1: so he didn't care about whether these bags were practical 438 00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:46,480 Speaker 1: or not. He wanted to design a bag that looked 439 00:20:46,600 --> 00:20:49,159 Speaker 1: great when you take a photo of it. So the 440 00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:53,639 Speaker 1: whole instagram ability really trumped whether this was practical at all. 441 00:20:53,720 --> 00:20:55,080 Speaker 1: And I feel like that is the case for a 442 00:20:55,119 --> 00:20:57,239 Speaker 1: lot of fashion. Do you know what. It's so true though, 443 00:20:57,320 --> 00:20:59,720 Speaker 1: because I always say the influences they just prop it 444 00:20:59,840 --> 00:21:01,960 Speaker 1: up on the table when they're having something to eat, 445 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:03,760 Speaker 1: and you can't really do that with a full size 446 00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:05,399 Speaker 1: bag and get in shot, like if you had one 447 00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:08,000 Speaker 1: of those oversized bag. Isn't it funny how the jeans 448 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:10,560 Speaker 1: are getting bigger and baggier and the bags are getting smaller, 449 00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:13,920 Speaker 1: Like it's this real oversized clothing, but then tiny little 450 00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:16,600 Speaker 1: access or oversize everything but the smallest bag you've ever 451 00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:20,040 Speaker 1: seen y life. Well, this designer, he actually seems to 452 00:21:20,119 --> 00:21:23,080 Speaker 1: have a thing with either designing things really large or 453 00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:26,600 Speaker 1: really small, because he also designed these kind of planet 454 00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:30,399 Speaker 1: sized straw hats and also these super sized straw bags, 455 00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:32,800 Speaker 1: So I think that's his thing. Do you know what, 456 00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:35,400 Speaker 1: It's pretty cost effective because you wouldn't really be using 457 00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:38,960 Speaker 1: much material to make those six hundred bucks. I feel 458 00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:41,480 Speaker 1: so unfashionable right now, because all I can see is 459 00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:45,520 Speaker 1: my leather backpack sitting there. Obviously a few seasons behind, 460 00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:48,800 Speaker 1: just a few seasons. We're talking about things that are 461 00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:52,000 Speaker 1: no longer in fashion, Kate. This new small handbag trend 462 00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:55,000 Speaker 1: really is in contrast to the oversized bag trend of 463 00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:57,359 Speaker 1: the naughties, which was led by the Olsen Twins and 464 00:21:57,520 --> 00:21:58,280 Speaker 1: Paris Hilton. 465 00:21:58,760 --> 00:21:59,800 Speaker 2: And what's really. 466 00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:04,840 Speaker 1: Interesting is that alongside these really large handbags were large sunglasses, 467 00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:08,399 Speaker 1: but then also people who had incredibly tiny frames, and 468 00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:11,600 Speaker 1: it was labeled as this skinny girl chek and I 469 00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:14,320 Speaker 1: feel like it's so great because we have moved past 470 00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:17,360 Speaker 1: this sort of heroin chic look being in fashion, even 471 00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:19,920 Speaker 1: though I do not like these little handbags. Now that 472 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:22,960 Speaker 1: you're old enough, there's something I've always wanted to tell you, 473 00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:25,960 Speaker 1: and I think you're ready to hear it. You're not 474 00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:29,880 Speaker 1: very pretty and you're not very bright. I'm so glad 475 00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:32,359 Speaker 1: we had that talk. This is the news all Friends 476 00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:35,320 Speaker 1: fans have been waiting for. There's finally been a date. 477 00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:38,560 Speaker 1: May twenty seventh is when the HBO One of Friends 478 00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:40,639 Speaker 1: special is going to air, and we've just seen a 479 00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:44,080 Speaker 1: trailer which was released on Friday. I was really surprised 480 00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:45,920 Speaker 1: when I watched this because I thought it was actually 481 00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:48,359 Speaker 1: going to be an episode of Friends. However, the actors 482 00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:49,960 Speaker 1: are not going to be in character. They're going to 483 00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:52,879 Speaker 1: be appearing as themselves in the special, which has been 484 00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:56,240 Speaker 1: delayed because of COVID. Well, the trailer was a little 485 00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:59,040 Speaker 1: bit disappointing because I thought we might see some snippets 486 00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:02,280 Speaker 1: from the reunion show, but it was just vision of 487 00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:05,720 Speaker 1: the cast members the backs of their heads walking and 488 00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:08,240 Speaker 1: then we had the Friends theme song, which was slowed 489 00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:10,920 Speaker 1: down in the background. Does anyone else think this is 490 00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:13,359 Speaker 1: actually going to be quite disappointing. Yeah, I feel like 491 00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:15,159 Speaker 1: it is going to be disappointing, But I feel like 492 00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:18,320 Speaker 1: any sort of reunion show, you know, twenty years on, 493 00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:21,000 Speaker 1: is disappointing. Well, what we have found out is that 494 00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:24,080 Speaker 1: there are going to be more than fifteen celebrity guests 495 00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:26,800 Speaker 1: who are going to make cameo appearances. 496 00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:27,080 Speaker 2: On this reunion. 497 00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:29,320 Speaker 1: And I'm sorry, but I didn't really want to hear 498 00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:31,560 Speaker 1: what celebrities think of the show. I just want to 499 00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:33,800 Speaker 1: hear what the actors have to say. Yeah, I don't 500 00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:37,160 Speaker 1: give a shit about celebrities talking about Friends. I just yeah, 501 00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:39,560 Speaker 1: it seems like a very bad decision. Do we know 502 00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:42,320 Speaker 1: how much the cast has actually been paid to come back, 503 00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:44,600 Speaker 1: because I know in the last series of Friends, I 504 00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:47,240 Speaker 1: were paid some astronomical amounts. Is it like a million 505 00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:49,760 Speaker 1: dollars per episode? Well, there have been reports that the 506 00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:53,600 Speaker 1: cast are either being paid three million dollars each to 507 00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:56,040 Speaker 1: appear in the special or four million dollars. 508 00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:58,800 Speaker 2: So which of these babies do you think is the ugliest? 509 00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:07,440 Speaker 1: Gage? Come on, that's terrible. They're babies, They're they're all beautiful. Left, Yeah, 510 00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:09,800 Speaker 1: why is it staring at me? Well, there's some good 511 00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:14,439 Speaker 1: news for influencer Mikayla Testa. So Michayla was the influencer 512 00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:18,040 Speaker 1: who infamously cried when Instagram got rid of its likes. 513 00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:21,680 Speaker 1: So Instagram have actually announced that they're exploring a new 514 00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:24,600 Speaker 1: option that lets users decide whether they want to enable 515 00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:28,360 Speaker 1: or disable likes. So they're also working on something similar 516 00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:29,159 Speaker 1: for Facebook. 517 00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:31,320 Speaker 2: Now, I was very vocal about this. 518 00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:34,520 Speaker 1: I think it was only in our second ever episode 519 00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:37,480 Speaker 1: of Outspoken, because I was pissed off that they got 520 00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:39,440 Speaker 1: rid of likes. I feel like we're a bit of 521 00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:42,040 Speaker 1: a snowflake society at the moment that we can't even 522 00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:44,359 Speaker 1: put up with seeing who gets more likes than us, 523 00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:48,080 Speaker 1: and on a professional level, as someone who works in PR, 524 00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:52,040 Speaker 1: it has been so annoying for almost two years now 525 00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:54,720 Speaker 1: to have to jump on your desktop to see these 526 00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:58,920 Speaker 1: people's two engagement levels. Well, it really has allowed fake 527 00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:02,280 Speaker 1: influences to tend that they have this following and are 528 00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:04,200 Speaker 1: getting a lot of likes. So I think it is 529 00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:07,080 Speaker 1: a good move for people in the social media industry. 530 00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:07,720 Speaker 2: I think it's. 531 00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:10,240 Speaker 1: Bloody is cupid because let's be honest, if your self 532 00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:13,360 Speaker 1: esteem is tied up in how many likes you get 533 00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:15,800 Speaker 1: on Instagram, you're not really going to disable this feature. 534 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:17,720 Speaker 1: You're going to look and want to see how many 535 00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:18,520 Speaker 1: people have liked it. 536 00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:19,040 Speaker 2: So it kind of. 537 00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:22,240 Speaker 1: Defeats the purpose of having this option. What is really 538 00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:25,919 Speaker 1: interesting though, is that they are only selecting random people 539 00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:28,760 Speaker 1: to trial it at first. And guess who was one 540 00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:32,480 Speaker 1: of the random users that got given me? Really of 541 00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:35,600 Speaker 1: course I chose to enable likes. So I have been 542 00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:38,920 Speaker 1: having so much fun because there are some people on 543 00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:42,960 Speaker 1: Instagram that I thought was super popular. I'm talking about influencers, 544 00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:45,640 Speaker 1: and I was so interested to see genuinely how many 545 00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:47,640 Speaker 1: likes they've been received, but you could have just gone 546 00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:49,360 Speaker 1: and looked on your desktop, But who's. 547 00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:51,040 Speaker 2: Going to do that. I have been looking up so 548 00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:53,119 Speaker 2: many people. It's been so eye opening. 549 00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:55,639 Speaker 1: Who's one that has surprised you? If you want to 550 00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:57,800 Speaker 1: name and shade? Well, I was kind of just comparing 551 00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:02,040 Speaker 1: influences as they as big as they pretend to be. 552 00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:04,720 Speaker 1: I've actually been blocked by a lot of influencers recently. 553 00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:08,640 Speaker 1: So unfortunately, my Finster account does not have likes enabled, 554 00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:10,960 Speaker 1: so I haven't been able to look at a personal 555 00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:14,679 Speaker 1: once you've been screwed, because you can. But you were 556 00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:16,560 Speaker 1: just saying that you've seen a lot of people. Yeah, 557 00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:20,560 Speaker 1: they have been I don't really feel comfortable naming, but yeah, 558 00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:22,200 Speaker 1: I'm just keeping them in the back of my mind. 559 00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:24,200 Speaker 1: But you know, even as I said, for work, it 560 00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:26,800 Speaker 1: has become so much easier now to actually jump on 561 00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:29,800 Speaker 1: because I think there had been a lot of local 562 00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:33,720 Speaker 1: influencers who were paying for likes, and obviously when likes 563 00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:36,840 Speaker 1: were no longer visible, they probably have stopped doing it. 564 00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:39,240 Speaker 1: So so what you're saying is, Sophie, you can't name 565 00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:41,960 Speaker 1: names because they're in Adelaide and Adelades too small to 566 00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:44,960 Speaker 1: be calling out I have you guys also noticed there 567 00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:47,320 Speaker 1: is this photo dump trend at the moment that a 568 00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:49,720 Speaker 1: lot of influencers are doing there. I feel like they're 569 00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:52,920 Speaker 1: thinking it, well, it is kind of a bit more authentic. 570 00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:55,520 Speaker 1: They're just dumping, as it suggests a whole load of 571 00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:58,760 Speaker 1: photos from their week. I'm wondering if Instagram is favoring 572 00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:02,040 Speaker 1: the algorithm to put like carousela photos. Perhaps that's what 573 00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:04,600 Speaker 1: they're testing out. Maybe I'd love to hear what other 574 00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:07,880 Speaker 1: people think. Are you guys gonna enable or disable likes? 575 00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:10,200 Speaker 1: We'll put a thread in our Facebook community, which is 576 00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:12,879 Speaker 1: outspoken the podcast community. We'd love to hear what you 577 00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:15,440 Speaker 1: guys think. Well, I think that's what we've got time 578 00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:17,920 Speaker 1: for today. 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