Speaker 1: It's in the news today, but it was actually on
Speaker 1: TV Reload the podcast.
Speaker 2: Last week, don't I welcome back guys to TV Reload.
Speaker 2: My name's Benjamin Norris and on this podcast I go
Speaker 2: behind the scenes with the biggest players in television.
Speaker 1: Yeah, great questions. The show's about the game. There's a
Speaker 1: lot of great television out there in Australia.
Speaker 2: But I've also got to go behind the scenes with writers.
Speaker 2: The truth is, when I started writing it, it wasn't
Speaker 2: had nothing to do with the news and casting agents.
Speaker 1: They know from a casting point of view what they need, and.
Speaker 2: Editors because that's what we do as editors where storytellers.
Speaker 2: Not to forget some incredible executive producers who are making
Speaker 2: some of the best TV in Australia.
Speaker 1: I have been on the program since the beginning and
Speaker 1: it's kind of in my DNA.
Speaker 2: So thanks for joining me each week and I hope
Speaker 2: the podcast continues to give you real insight into the
Speaker 2: magic of television today. On the podcast, I have Jesse Hansen,
Speaker 2: who is the latest eliminated cast away from Australian Survivor
Speaker 2: on Channel ten. This season has seen the competition tackling
Speaker 2: an age old debate Blood Versus Water, and when Jesse's
Speaker 2: brother asked him to join him on the twenty twenty
Speaker 2: two series, it was a no brainer for the Survivor enthusiast. However,
Speaker 2: in one of the biggest moves of the game, Jesse's
Speaker 2: closest alliance, Sammy, not only blindsided him, which saw Jesse
Speaker 2: leave the competition, but the knife certainly twisted when Sammy
Speaker 2: also swindled his idol at the same time. What I
Speaker 2: expected today from Jesse was vengeance, but I was surprised
Speaker 2: that he is leaving that kind of retaliation. For the
Speaker 2: latest Batman film, Jesse talks his relationship with Sammy, whether
Speaker 2: at now what he thinks will be the fate of
Speaker 2: his brother, and will also get a sneak peek behind
Speaker 2: the scenes from the aftermath of Blood Versus Water. So
Speaker 2: let's get started and bring Jesse in. I'd like to
Speaker 2: welcome Jesse Hanson to TV reload.
Speaker 1: I actually personally had never thought of.
Speaker 2: Applying previously on Australian Survivor.
Speaker 1: It's on TV and it's open for for the world
Speaker 1: to scrutinine game time.
Speaker 2: On Australian Survivor, it's cracks and the alliance exploded.
Speaker 1: It was brutal and she was kind of nervous. Jesse
Speaker 1: is going to pay the price for his brother's misbehavior
Speaker 1: In the end. Survivor's a game of individual players.
Speaker 2: Thirteenth person voted out of Blood versus Water. Jesse.
Speaker 1: I never had a chance to really chat it out.
Speaker 3: Hey, Jesse, how are you? I am good?
Speaker 2: Thank you well, congratulations on your time an Australian Survivor.
Speaker 2: What was running through your mind watching the show back
Speaker 2: last night?
Speaker 1: It was a roller coaster, to be honest, That's the
Speaker 1: best way I can describe to people what it's like,
Speaker 1: because you get the highs of the KFC reward challenge
Speaker 1: and how epic that was just having among on a
Speaker 1: good feed and then all of a sudden, I'm sitting
Speaker 1: there and my brother's slipping a clue into my back
Speaker 1: and I'm going, yes, we are on here, and so yeah, yesterday,
Speaker 1: Like even in the game, it was an incredible rollercoaster
Speaker 1: because I went from finding that idol to going Okay,
Speaker 1: we might win this thing, to the next minute getting
Speaker 1: my torch snuffed. So it was an emotional rollercoaster, but
Speaker 1: it was really good because I got to share it
Speaker 1: last night with a lot of past players and a
Speaker 1: lot of the present players, and a lot of people
Speaker 1: were there to support me, So it was a really
Speaker 1: good night.
Speaker 3: Have you had KFC since?
Speaker 1: Actually I don't think I have had KFC since.
Speaker 3: Next time you have it, you crash your car? Okay, great?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, if something bad keeps happening afterwards, yeah, something wrong.
Speaker 3: Avoid the two piece feet.
Speaker 2: You know, it was probably the most brutal blind side
Speaker 2: in my mind, of the series, and your reaction was intense.
Speaker 2: Does it take a while to deal with the emotions
Speaker 2: that come off the back of an experience like Australian Survivor?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it definitely. You know, you begin to I guess
Speaker 1: mentally and physically recover after the show, and then you know,
Speaker 1: you've got a bit of a period where you're back
Speaker 1: and it's not on TV, and then you know, you
Speaker 1: start to feel good and kind of move on, I guess,
Speaker 1: because you've had your experience, and then all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: bank it's on TV and it's open for the world
Speaker 1: to scrutinize.
Speaker 3: And the wounds are open as well, and.
Speaker 1: The wounds open up again, and you see little snippets
Speaker 1: of things that people said, and you know, watching last
Speaker 1: night where Sam's like thanks for the idol and little
Speaker 1: things like that, which kind of I guess they hurt.
Speaker 1: But if you've got to have a good perspective and
Speaker 1: understand that we had our game and now we're watching
Speaker 1: it on TV, and in essence, those are two very
Speaker 1: different things, and so being able to separate the game
Speaker 1: from reality is really important to help ensure you keep
Speaker 1: those relationships and reasons why Sam and I were together
Speaker 1: last night and a lot of the players, you know,
Speaker 1: Josh and Jordan and stuff, all of us were together
Speaker 1: last night having a really good time because we understand
Speaker 1: it's a game, and also I have to understand that
Speaker 1: it could have been Josh. We were celebrating exit the
Speaker 1: game last night. You know, if you're going to throw
Speaker 1: the punches, you got be prepared to take the punches.
Speaker 1: And I threw my fair share, so I'm willing to
Speaker 1: sit here and take it.
Speaker 2: Can you just give us a little insight into some
Speaker 2: of those moments from last night where you are sitting
Speaker 2: there with Sammy. Was she holding your hand? Was she
Speaker 2: getting a drink so she could avoid you? Did she
Speaker 2: go to the bathroom?
Speaker 1: Yeah? No, to be honest, we spent most of the
Speaker 1: night hugging watching it all fold because Sammy was nervous
Speaker 1: as well, because it was brutal. It was brutal, and
Speaker 1: she was kind of nervous for that to come out.
Speaker 1: And so I think both of us were there in
Speaker 1: a mutual kind of supportive role of I want to
Speaker 1: support her and I want to show people that we
Speaker 1: are fine, We are friends. It was a game, and
Speaker 1: I respect her move, and she wants to show as
Speaker 1: well that she really respected my game. And there was
Speaker 1: a reason we worked so well together. And if it
Speaker 1: hadn't been blood versus water, and we'd been there by ourselves,
Speaker 1: then maybe we would have gone on a bit longer together.
Speaker 1: But the blood was stronger than water.
Speaker 2: I love your perspective on it. But we'll send us
Speaker 2: some KFC this morning just in case.
Speaker 1: Yes, we will.
Speaker 3: Luck.
Speaker 2: The thing for me was, did you think at the
Speaker 2: time that sam did use some serious mischief by taking
Speaker 2: your idol and then sending you home or do you
Speaker 2: think that's just what do you think that's just like
Speaker 2: the nature of the game.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a really interesting discussion, I guess because myself
Speaker 1: I played with what I would say a pretty savage mindset,
Speaker 1: and that's definitely my approach going forward on the jury
Speaker 1: is to be quite judgmental of people's goat games or so.
Speaker 1: In essence, I respect players. I respect people that play,
Speaker 1: and people that take the opportunity and take the risks
Speaker 1: to win the game rather than sit there at the end,
Speaker 1: Because what are you doing if you're coming to sit
Speaker 1: here at the end. There's that many people that would
Speaker 1: love this opportunity and so make the most of it.
Speaker 1: I guess I respect did that about her move and
Speaker 1: understood that there had to be a reason behind it.
Speaker 1: But yeah, definitely it wasn't easy, and trying to figure
Speaker 1: out why it happened and why she did decide to
Speaker 1: go with Jordan and Josh instead of me and my
Speaker 1: bro was hard because I never had a chance to
Speaker 1: really chat it out until after the game, so figuring
Speaker 1: out kind of what went down afterwards and out of
Speaker 1: the game. I totally understand their reasoning, and if I
Speaker 1: was in their situation, I would have done the same thing.
Speaker 2: I just want to throw, like, what is it something
Speaker 2: on the fire to keep this burning? But I when
Speaker 2: I was watching it felt like when she was taking
Speaker 2: the idol you know, oh, you can kind of see that,
Speaker 2: you know, maybe I'll take the idol back.
Speaker 3: And all of that.
Speaker 2: When I was watching that, I felt like she was
Speaker 2: doing you some mischief.
Speaker 1: And I think, look, there's every opportunity, there's every chance
Speaker 1: she was And I knew that in the moment too,
Speaker 1: And that was like, I'm the one that handed the
Speaker 1: idol over to her, and that's a risk. But every
Speaker 1: decision I made was based on thirty days of relationships
Speaker 1: and information and information. In that moment, I knew that
Speaker 1: Sam's relationship Sam and my relationship was being strained because
Speaker 1: I was being pulled towards my brother and she was
Speaker 1: being pulled towards Mark. So I knew there was what meanwhile,
Speaker 1: we're trying to pull off this massive move. In order
Speaker 1: for that to be pulled off, there has to be trust.
Speaker 1: So I figured, she's already seen I have the idol
Speaker 1: when I put it down the front of my pants. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you could just see it potentially. So I took the
Speaker 1: risk of showing her some trust, showing her some faith
Speaker 1: to help me get it back into camp. And I
Speaker 1: guess if you understand how that works, you understand that
Speaker 1: you can't just take it because if I wanted it back,
Speaker 1: all I've got to do is say, hey, Sam, can
Speaker 1: I have my idol back in front of everyone? And
Speaker 1: then every night everyone knows she's got an idol and
Speaker 1: instantly she's a target and she's gone. So no one's
Speaker 1: kind of dumb enough to do that, if that makes sense.
Speaker 1: So I knew that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Unfortunately, I'm going to quickly interrupting here and just
Speaker 2: say that I basically smacked the television because I was like, so,
Speaker 2: you owe me a new television. But I just was like, no,
Speaker 2: we needs to ask it back because wouldn't you think though, yes,
Speaker 2: you would highlight the fact that you have the idol,
Speaker 2: but at least you'd still be in the game, Like,
Speaker 2: didn't you think it was a killer at that point?
Speaker 1: So yeah, I could have asked for the idol back
Speaker 1: at tribal council if I wanted to, definitely, but I
Speaker 1: didn't want to because I didn't want to play it.
Speaker 1: Even if I had it, I wasn't going to play
Speaker 1: it because I knew I was coping boats. But I
Speaker 1: wanted to take that risk because if me and my
Speaker 1: brother had that idol in five votes time or in
Speaker 1: a little bit more time, we would have been able
Speaker 1: to use that to get ourselves to the end. We
Speaker 1: were going to be able to use that idol to win.
Speaker 1: And in my mind, I'm trying to process, well, do
Speaker 1: I play this idol to survive another day? Or do
Speaker 1: I take the risk of keeping this idol in Sam's
Speaker 1: poker and getting it off her after tribal council to
Speaker 1: win this game? And for me, every decision I'd made,
Speaker 1: every risk I'd taken, especially through TRIBESWAP, I didn't play it.
Speaker 1: I didn't really play a calm game from blind citing
Speaker 1: Bennie than Kroc, then Bennie again, Like we came to win.
Speaker 1: I wasn't going to get scared now, so I wouldn't
Speaker 1: have played it.
Speaker 3: Okay, we'll get a new TV. Why do you think
Speaker 3: this really frustrated me?
Speaker 2: Why did they come for you over what they kept
Speaker 2: blaming was your brother's fault?
Speaker 3: Like really frustrated me.
Speaker 2: I know he had his immunity necklace, so you know,
Speaker 2: like he could so like they couldn't really come for him.
Speaker 2: But I mean they were talking about this for I
Speaker 2: felt like for it was leading up to that point
Speaker 2: for a while where they were sort of blaming him
Speaker 2: and then going for you, where I felt like your
Speaker 2: relationship as the kid and was a little bit stronger
Speaker 2: than your brothers with a lot of these people.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I think, from my understanding, some of the
Speaker 1: reasoning was behind the fact that they felt that I
Speaker 1: potentially was a little bit more strategic and was potentially
Speaker 1: a little bit more of the brains behind my relationship
Speaker 1: with my brother, and so that kind of left my
Speaker 1: brother as an easy number. So I think that was
Speaker 1: part of their reasoning, I guess, Yeah, include the fact that, yeah,
Speaker 1: he then won immunity, and yeah, I guess quite a
Speaker 1: number of factors I think which would have led to
Speaker 1: the decision. And hopefully now my brother can prove him
Speaker 1: wrong and show a bit of fight and cause some damage.
Speaker 2: Absolutely well, I hope he does. I mean, did you
Speaker 2: disbelieve that she wouldn't give the idol to your brother?
Speaker 2: Because immediately as you said to her, you'll give this
Speaker 2: to my brother. Right, I'm obviously misquoting this, but that's
Speaker 2: how it felt like for me. And then you straightaway
Speaker 2: went over and said she's got the idol. Was that
Speaker 2: because you did disbelieve that she was going to do
Speaker 2: she was just going to keep it.
Speaker 1: All In that moment, I knew that because if it
Speaker 1: was me now, I wouldn't give the idol. If it
Speaker 1: was Sam and I was back seven Sam, I wouldn't
Speaker 1: give the idol to Mark. But what I would do
Speaker 1: as I understood how the idol was acquired and my
Speaker 1: relationship with Sam, and understanding that now I've removed Sam,
Speaker 1: Mark's not as much of a threat, And so that's
Speaker 1: kind of what my thinking was with my brother was that, Okay,
Speaker 1: he's now not much of a threat compared to when
Speaker 1: we were a duo, So surely I would be able
Speaker 1: to pull on that relationship with Sam to go okay.
Speaker 1: I helped get you to flip and day thirty, we
Speaker 1: did some epic things together, like let's have a bit
Speaker 1: of I don't know this unwritten sportsmanship. And people may
Speaker 1: question that because it is Survivor, but in the end,
Speaker 1: Survivor as a game of individual players, and Sam and
Speaker 1: I do have that respect as athletes, I guess, And
Speaker 1: so I was trying to pull on that to potentially
Speaker 1: get her and Mark to to use the idol to
Speaker 1: support my brother, to use it with my brother, to
Speaker 1: not use it against him. I wanted that idol to
Speaker 1: still help my brother, and so that's kind of where
Speaker 1: my thinking was. I didn't expect them to give it
Speaker 1: to him because I probably wouldn't do it. So I
Speaker 1: just had to try, though, I had to try.
Speaker 2: I just love your maturity. I'm like, just talking to
Speaker 2: you about this today. Maybe they need to change it
Speaker 2: to outlast outplay out smart kumbaya. You know, it's all
Speaker 2: good now, it's all good, but you know your team
Speaker 2: there really is this boys group, you know, and they
Speaker 2: smartly called it a committee, I think, you know, instead
Speaker 2: of calling it anything to masculine so people wouldn't come
Speaker 2: for them in.
Speaker 3: This woke era.
Speaker 2: But how fair has that committee really been over the
Speaker 2: last couple of episodes.
Speaker 1: I think what's interesting is is really that majority started
Speaker 1: forming super early on in the game. So Mayan Sam's
Speaker 1: relationship and then and then Jordan's relationship in blood Og
Speaker 1: was was quite strong. And then on the other side
Speaker 1: you had Mark, my brother, and Josh who were really
Speaker 1: close as well. So we really had the foundations of
Speaker 1: a tight six kind of forming early on in the game.
Speaker 1: And so what you saw through Tribe Swap was, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I guess the boys club kind of coming together and
Speaker 1: those four pulling in Dave as well as a number
Speaker 1: to fill in that majority. So I think it really
Speaker 1: just was a group of people that have a real
Speaker 1: mutual interest. It's quite rare for Survivor to see so
Speaker 1: many big boys make it that far through the game,
Speaker 1: and these big boys have watched enough Survivor to know
Speaker 1: that the big boys are targeted, So why not stay
Speaker 1: together to avoid being targeted. Let's just hold the numbers
Speaker 1: and control the game. And so I think it's quite
Speaker 1: a counterintuitive move because going into Survivor, my brother and
Speaker 1: my understanding was don't play with the big boys. Don't
Speaker 1: play with the big boys, because you're going to get targeted.
Speaker 1: But there were just so many in this game that
Speaker 1: sticking together was the safest planning. And so yeah, now
Speaker 1: you've got the committee, I guess. And I think it's
Speaker 1: interesting because it's not really happened ever in Survivor for
Speaker 1: this amount of big boys to be making it this far.
Speaker 2: Well, they've been smart enough to sort of bring a
Speaker 2: couple of those girls into that group. Now, yeah, I
Speaker 2: wonder whether or not you think they're going to be
Speaker 2: the first to go though, do you think that the
Speaker 2: boys will then target those girls and try and keep
Speaker 2: that strength.
Speaker 1: I think that now I've left the game and such
Speaker 1: a big change in the dynamics has happened, that they
Speaker 1: will want to settle things down a bit. There is
Speaker 1: still a little bit to go. There is still a
Speaker 1: bit of fat to trim, I guess. So I think
Speaker 1: if I was them, yeah, I'd definitely be trying to
Speaker 1: stay lower bit. Just vote a few of the easy
Speaker 1: numbers out before things get a bit too hectic, because
Speaker 1: if they start turning on each other, now, what you're
Speaker 1: going to have is all goats at the end, and
Speaker 1: no one really wants.
Speaker 2: That survival, right, So it's still going to be careful
Speaker 2: about who is left in that final selection because you've
Speaker 2: got to have still people on side that respect your gameplay.
Speaker 2: So like even last night when there was the reference
Speaker 2: to dirty deals being made, shouldn't people try and avoid
Speaker 2: too many dirty deals to make sure that if they
Speaker 2: are in that final selection, that they are the person
Speaker 2: that gets picked.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And I think what's interesting is the blood verse
Speaker 1: water just adds a whole different dynamics. So if you
Speaker 1: really backstab someone and then you may lose them and
Speaker 1: their loved ones vote in the jury, and so some
Speaker 1: of you, my example was an odd one. But for
Speaker 1: me personally, if she does make it to the end,
Speaker 1: I don't think there is that animosity there that may
Speaker 1: prevent me from voting for her. But in certain situations,
Speaker 1: definitely that animosity might be there because the feelings are
Speaker 1: so much stronger, Your emotions are so much stronger, because
Speaker 1: you've got loved ones, and how could you turn on
Speaker 1: my loved ones? So it is interesting and it is
Speaker 1: a dynamic that we haven't seen before where you do
Speaker 1: really have to think about being an nice guy because
Speaker 1: bad guys won't win this game, because you won't get
Speaker 1: the votes, because there's too much emotion in this game.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, and I guess I have to ask now, looking
Speaker 2: back at it, I want to know why you chose Survivor?
Speaker 3: How did this opportunity come up?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: How this opportunity come up? So? Yeah, me and my
Speaker 1: brother grew up watching Survivor and we just we've loved
Speaker 1: it and loved the game. And I actually personally had
Speaker 1: never thought of applying because it was just going to
Speaker 1: be too much sacrifice for me personally to take that
Speaker 1: amount of time out of my life. I didn't think
Speaker 1: I was really going to be able to do it.
Speaker 1: And my brother had applied a couple of times and
Speaker 1: was close to getting on the previous season Brains Versus Braun,
Speaker 1: and then he got one lucky phone call where they
Speaker 1: asked if he had someone he might be willing to
Speaker 1: go on the show with. And I was like, then,
Speaker 1: go yes, because to get to go on with my brother,
Speaker 1: it was all going to be worth it. So then
Speaker 1: I got that opportunity, and so yeah, decided to go
Speaker 1: on together. And I haven't looked back yet, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: my life's very much been on hold, and yeah, it's
Speaker 1: been a bit like really kind of an eight month
Speaker 1: process so far, really of a life changing eight months,
Speaker 1: but an incredibly beneficial, life changing eight months, and I'm
Speaker 1: so grateful for the experience. And yeah, I'd do it
Speaker 1: at the drop of a hat.
Speaker 2: Again, I always say to people though, with reality television,
Speaker 2: it doesn't matter whatever happens on the show, everyone goes
Speaker 2: back to who they were, whether it's six months or
Speaker 2: two years. It's always a factory reset. We all go
Speaker 2: back to the exact same plan that we were on
Speaker 2: before we you know, lost our minds in an experience
Speaker 2: like this, So I mean, I've always been a weirdo
Speaker 2: who was obsessed with television, So I'm still a wido
Speaker 2: obsessed with television doing exactly what I would have been doing,
Speaker 2: you know, had I not done Big Brother. So I think,
Speaker 2: you know, I will say to you, life will settle
Speaker 2: down and you will be able to, you know, have
Speaker 2: your normal life back fairly soon, once all of the
Speaker 2: once people stop sliding into your dams and asking you
Speaker 2: ridiculous questions. You did survive a very long time in
Speaker 2: the competition, you know, did you get used to the
Speaker 2: hunger and the conditions or were you slowly losing your
Speaker 2: mind at the end.
Speaker 1: Personally, I think it was about day seven when we
Speaker 1: had the reward where Bluetribe got to come over and
Speaker 1: eat that cheese platter in front of us, but I
Speaker 1: got to see my brother, and that was really at
Speaker 1: the point where I realized in Survivor, you have to
Speaker 1: make the mental decision to not think about food because
Speaker 1: otherwise you are going to drive yourself up the wall
Speaker 1: and literally go crazy because there's nothing you can do
Speaker 1: about it. You have to tell yourself that this is reality.
Speaker 1: There is no other option. You are going to starve.
Speaker 1: Your body is going to fall apart. That's okay, and
Speaker 1: you really have to focus on making that mental decision.
Speaker 1: And people watching at home may not understand how rough
Speaker 1: that is, because your body is literally shriveling. And you know,
Speaker 1: we saw somey faint the other day. We are annually
Speaker 1: starving out there. We are genuinely falling apart. And you know,
Speaker 1: there'd be mornings where if I had sleeping with my
Speaker 1: arms on my chest, my arms would have lost circulation
Speaker 1: because my body just didn't have enough fuel to keep
Speaker 1: itself moving. And every opportunity you have to sit or
Speaker 1: lie down you're doing, you know, standing up is just
Speaker 1: too much work. So it's properly rough. And I think
Speaker 1: we're only just getting a snipper of it through the
Speaker 1: TV as well, because you know, it was forty plus
Speaker 1: degrees as well, Like it is hot. You haven't brushed
Speaker 1: your teeth in so long. Yeah, yeah, it's pretty intense.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the smell of people's breath, ooh, that sounds fun.
Speaker 2: How much weight did you lose though? Did you lose
Speaker 2: a lot of weight?
Speaker 1: Yeah? So, I think I last I can't remember the
Speaker 1: official number. I think it was like nine point seven
Speaker 1: or something ki low, but for me that was pretty massive.
Speaker 1: My body was well and truly cooked, and I think, yeah,
Speaker 1: we're throwing the challenge yesterday where I'm literally peeling my
Speaker 1: fingers off the rope, like because my muscles just didn't
Speaker 1: have enough energy to be able to move and they
Speaker 1: would just lock up, and like, yeah, it was really
Speaker 1: really hard and a real mental game to tell yourself
Speaker 1: that you're going to keep moving forward, this will end.
Speaker 1: And for me personally, I actually started to try to
Speaker 1: look at it in a positive way and go, Okay,
Speaker 1: if I'm feeling this week, that's good because it means
Speaker 1: other people are feeling weak. I guess I kind of
Speaker 1: backed my own mental ability to push through the suffering
Speaker 1: more than others. And we saw Benny kind of crumble
Speaker 1: because of the food, and that started to mess with
Speaker 1: his mind. You let that mess with your mind, you
Speaker 1: end up getting sent home.
Speaker 2: And I think if Ben comes back, he's like learned
Speaker 2: his lesson, shut up about complaining about the.
Speaker 3: Food, build a bridge, get over it. Good luck.
Speaker 1: I think he's only coming back if you're allowed four
Speaker 1: pizzas a day.
Speaker 2: No longer called survive of my friend, you know, a
Speaker 2: completely different show, maybe something cann could be a part
Speaker 2: of as well.
Speaker 3: Who do you think is going to win?
Speaker 1: Yeah, well my brother. But apart from him, I think
Speaker 1: that Sammy is still really underestimated. I think that people
Speaker 1: don't understand just quite how strategue she is, even after
Speaker 1: last night, because the boys think that that was their move.
Speaker 1: The boys think that they pulled that off. It was
Speaker 1: it was Sammy. Sammy pulled that off. She was the
Speaker 1: only one spart enough to follow me go find the idol.
Speaker 1: She has a really good social game and a strategic
Speaker 1: ability that I don't think many people are aware of. Plus,
Speaker 1: she's got by far the biggest resume now I've left
Speaker 1: the game, so no one's resume comes close to hers.
Speaker 1: So if she's sitting at the end against someone else,
Speaker 1: it's going to be a whitewash.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I'm looking forward to watching on the Tribal
Speaker 2: Council with the other two. I think that's going to
Speaker 2: be very exciting. But just before you go, one question
Speaker 2: I ask everyone who joins the podcast is what something
Speaker 2: from behind the scenes that we're as an audience did
Speaker 2: not see but we might appreciate that happened during your
Speaker 2: experience on a stray and survivor.
Speaker 1: I would say, I mean probably most people would say this.
Speaker 1: I'm guessing and from what I heard from past players
Speaker 1: is similar to what they seem to say. But I
Speaker 1: would say that the genuine relationships we build out there
Speaker 1: are real. And when it's eleven PM and we're sitting
Speaker 1: around the campfire and we're telling stories, you know, some
Speaker 1: of those players they know more about my personal life
Speaker 1: and the things I've been through than some of my
Speaker 1: lifelong friends. Because it's intense out there, and so you
Speaker 1: build such strong, incredible relationships with these people so quickly,
Speaker 1: and that's something that you don't quite get through the television.
Speaker 1: And why it hurts so much when someone like Sammy
Speaker 1: turns on you because we had such a connection, such
Speaker 1: a real life connection, and that hurts to stab someone
Speaker 1: you love in the back.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, it's funny.
Speaker 2: A big brother for me was ten years ago, so
Speaker 2: why the hell am I still talking about it? But
Speaker 2: my partner wants to leave our house when any of
Speaker 2: them come to stay because of the relationship that has
Speaker 2: been formed for these people, like they are almost like siblings,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, like as in your ability
Speaker 2: to fight with them is like siblings, Like it could
Speaker 2: just something rubs you the wrong way and you'll go them.
Speaker 2: But if anyone ever said a bad word about any
Speaker 2: of these people, you would cut them, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean, Like it's yeah.
Speaker 1: You'd literally you'd be willing to do anything for them.
Speaker 1: And already there's been quite a few things where you know,
Speaker 1: people might have been struggling or something, and all of
Speaker 1: us would drop anything to help any one of them
Speaker 1: in any aspect of their life. And that's really cool,
Speaker 1: and that's really special, and not only with our own
Speaker 1: Survivor group, but with all the past Survivor players. Now
Speaker 1: we have a really close family and a tight knit
Speaker 1: bond because it's where the only ones that have played,
Speaker 1: we're the only ones that know what it's actually like,
Speaker 1: and that's really special group to be a part of.
Speaker 2: Well, I will continue to be watching so excited with
Speaker 2: this series. I think it's just been so much fun
Speaker 2: to watch. Thanks so much for taking the time to
Speaker 2: have this chat with me. Yeah, as I said earlier,
Speaker 2: looking forward to watching you on the Tribal Council and saying,
Speaker 2: you know what contributions will come from you from there.
Speaker 1: Thanks very much. Really appreciate the chat.
Speaker 3: It's a good chat. It was a good chat.