WEBVTT - JESSIE TALKS SURVIVOR RELATIONSHIPS 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:01.720 It's in the news today, but it was actually on 0:00:01.800 --> 0:00:03.600 TV Reload the podcast. 0:00:03.200 --> 0:00:06.720 Last week, don't I welcome back guys to TV Reload. 0:00:06.960 --> 0:00:09.440 My name's Benjamin Norris and on this podcast I go 0:00:09.560 --> 0:00:12.360 behind the scenes with the biggest players in television. 0:00:12.560 --> 0:00:15.120 Yeah, great questions. The show's about the game. There's a 0:00:15.160 --> 0:00:17.520 lot of great television out there in Australia. 0:00:17.600 --> 0:00:20.040 But I've also got to go behind the scenes with writers. 0:00:20.120 --> 0:00:22.239 The truth is, when I started writing it, it wasn't 0:00:22.320 --> 0:00:25.119 had nothing to do with the news and casting agents. 0:00:24.880 --> 0:00:27.400 They know from a casting point of view what they need, and. 0:00:27.480 --> 0:00:30.960 Editors because that's what we do as editors where storytellers. 0:00:31.040 --> 0:00:34.360 Not to forget some incredible executive producers who are making 0:00:34.400 --> 0:00:36.479 some of the best TV in Australia. 0:00:36.520 --> 0:00:38.879 I have been on the program since the beginning and 0:00:38.920 --> 0:00:40.880 it's kind of in my DNA. 0:00:40.920 --> 0:00:43.320 So thanks for joining me each week and I hope 0:00:43.320 --> 0:00:46.599 the podcast continues to give you real insight into the 0:00:46.640 --> 0:00:50.680 magic of television today. On the podcast, I have Jesse Hansen, 0:00:50.920 --> 0:00:54.400 who is the latest eliminated cast away from Australian Survivor 0:00:54.480 --> 0:00:58.080 on Channel ten. This season has seen the competition tackling 0:00:58.200 --> 0:01:01.880 an age old debate Blood Versus Water, and when Jesse's 0:01:01.920 --> 0:01:04.399 brother asked him to join him on the twenty twenty 0:01:04.400 --> 0:01:08.720 two series, it was a no brainer for the Survivor enthusiast. However, 0:01:08.840 --> 0:01:11.960 in one of the biggest moves of the game, Jesse's 0:01:11.959 --> 0:01:15.960 closest alliance, Sammy, not only blindsided him, which saw Jesse 0:01:16.160 --> 0:01:19.880 leave the competition, but the knife certainly twisted when Sammy 0:01:20.080 --> 0:01:23.640 also swindled his idol at the same time. What I 0:01:23.720 --> 0:01:28.360 expected today from Jesse was vengeance, but I was surprised 0:01:28.360 --> 0:01:30.960 that he is leaving that kind of retaliation. For the 0:01:31.040 --> 0:01:35.400 latest Batman film, Jesse talks his relationship with Sammy, whether 0:01:35.520 --> 0:01:37.760 at now what he thinks will be the fate of 0:01:37.760 --> 0:01:40.760 his brother, and will also get a sneak peek behind 0:01:40.800 --> 0:01:44.120 the scenes from the aftermath of Blood Versus Water. So 0:01:44.200 --> 0:01:46.800 let's get started and bring Jesse in. I'd like to 0:01:46.840 --> 0:01:49.360 welcome Jesse Hanson to TV reload. 0:01:50.840 --> 0:01:53.320 I actually personally had never thought of. 0:01:53.480 --> 0:01:56.920 Applying previously on Australian Survivor. 0:01:57.760 --> 0:02:00.440 It's on TV and it's open for for the world 0:02:00.440 --> 0:02:01.800 to scrutinine game time. 0:02:01.920 --> 0:02:05.360 On Australian Survivor, it's cracks and the alliance exploded. 0:02:06.080 --> 0:02:09.400 It was brutal and she was kind of nervous. Jesse 0:02:09.600 --> 0:02:12.200 is going to pay the price for his brother's misbehavior 0:02:12.720 --> 0:02:15.200 In the end. Survivor's a game of individual players. 0:02:15.360 --> 0:02:18.639 Thirteenth person voted out of Blood versus Water. Jesse. 0:02:19.760 --> 0:02:21.919 I never had a chance to really chat it out. 0:02:22.480 --> 0:02:24.800 Hey, Jesse, how are you? I am good? 0:02:24.880 --> 0:02:28.560 Thank you well, congratulations on your time an Australian Survivor. 0:02:28.800 --> 0:02:32.320 What was running through your mind watching the show back 0:02:32.400 --> 0:02:32.919 last night? 0:02:33.040 --> 0:02:35.120 It was a roller coaster, to be honest, That's the 0:02:35.400 --> 0:02:37.520 best way I can describe to people what it's like, 0:02:37.720 --> 0:02:41.320 because you get the highs of the KFC reward challenge 0:02:41.320 --> 0:02:44.480 and how epic that was just having among on a 0:02:44.520 --> 0:02:46.959 good feed and then all of a sudden, I'm sitting 0:02:46.960 --> 0:02:49.440 there and my brother's slipping a clue into my back 0:02:49.639 --> 0:02:53.520 and I'm going, yes, we are on here, and so yeah, yesterday, 0:02:53.560 --> 0:02:56.280 Like even in the game, it was an incredible rollercoaster 0:02:56.440 --> 0:03:00.119 because I went from finding that idol to going Okay, 0:03:00.400 --> 0:03:03.359 we might win this thing, to the next minute getting 0:03:03.360 --> 0:03:07.400 my torch snuffed. So it was an emotional rollercoaster, but 0:03:08.040 --> 0:03:09.680 it was really good because I got to share it 0:03:09.760 --> 0:03:11.680 last night with a lot of past players and a 0:03:11.680 --> 0:03:14.160 lot of the present players, and a lot of people 0:03:14.160 --> 0:03:16.679 were there to support me, So it was a really 0:03:16.680 --> 0:03:17.119 good night. 0:03:17.240 --> 0:03:18.560 Have you had KFC since? 0:03:20.000 --> 0:03:22.519 Actually I don't think I have had KFC since. 0:03:23.760 --> 0:03:25.960 Next time you have it, you crash your car? Okay, great? 0:03:26.160 --> 0:03:31.160 Yeah? Yeah, if something bad keeps happening afterwards, yeah, something wrong. 0:03:31.240 --> 0:03:32.360 Avoid the two piece feet. 0:03:32.560 --> 0:03:35.520 You know, it was probably the most brutal blind side 0:03:35.560 --> 0:03:39.280 in my mind, of the series, and your reaction was intense. 0:03:39.480 --> 0:03:42.120 Does it take a while to deal with the emotions 0:03:42.120 --> 0:03:45.600 that come off the back of an experience like Australian Survivor? 0:03:45.920 --> 0:03:50.240 Yeah, it definitely. You know, you begin to I guess 0:03:50.320 --> 0:03:54.080 mentally and physically recover after the show, and then you know, 0:03:54.120 --> 0:03:55.960 you've got a bit of a period where you're back 0:03:56.000 --> 0:03:58.960 and it's not on TV, and then you know, you 0:03:59.040 --> 0:04:01.920 start to feel good and kind of move on, I guess, 0:04:02.320 --> 0:04:05.800 because you've had your experience, and then all of a sudden, 0:04:05.880 --> 0:04:09.520 bank it's on TV and it's open for the world 0:04:09.600 --> 0:04:11.360 to scrutinize. 0:04:10.720 --> 0:04:12.920 And the wounds are open as well, and. 0:04:12.840 --> 0:04:16.000 The wounds open up again, and you see little snippets 0:04:16.000 --> 0:04:18.880 of things that people said, and you know, watching last 0:04:18.960 --> 0:04:21.920 night where Sam's like thanks for the idol and little 0:04:21.920 --> 0:04:24.640 things like that, which kind of I guess they hurt. 0:04:25.040 --> 0:04:27.520 But if you've got to have a good perspective and 0:04:27.600 --> 0:04:31.159 understand that we had our game and now we're watching 0:04:31.320 --> 0:04:34.200 it on TV, and in essence, those are two very 0:04:34.200 --> 0:04:37.520 different things, and so being able to separate the game 0:04:37.520 --> 0:04:40.520 from reality is really important to help ensure you keep 0:04:40.560 --> 0:04:44.719 those relationships and reasons why Sam and I were together 0:04:44.800 --> 0:04:46.240 last night and a lot of the players, you know, 0:04:46.320 --> 0:04:48.559 Josh and Jordan and stuff, all of us were together 0:04:48.600 --> 0:04:51.400 last night having a really good time because we understand 0:04:51.960 --> 0:04:54.880 it's a game, and also I have to understand that 0:04:55.200 --> 0:04:57.400 it could have been Josh. We were celebrating exit the 0:04:57.400 --> 0:04:59.200 game last night. You know, if you're going to throw 0:04:59.240 --> 0:05:01.520 the punches, you got be prepared to take the punches. 0:05:01.560 --> 0:05:04.640 And I threw my fair share, so I'm willing to 0:05:04.640 --> 0:05:05.520 sit here and take it. 0:05:05.680 --> 0:05:08.720 Can you just give us a little insight into some 0:05:08.760 --> 0:05:10.960 of those moments from last night where you are sitting 0:05:10.960 --> 0:05:14.320 there with Sammy. Was she holding your hand? Was she 0:05:14.360 --> 0:05:16.120 getting a drink so she could avoid you? Did she 0:05:16.160 --> 0:05:16.920 go to the bathroom? 0:05:18.279 --> 0:05:20.400 Yeah? No, to be honest, we spent most of the 0:05:20.520 --> 0:05:24.359 night hugging watching it all fold because Sammy was nervous 0:05:24.360 --> 0:05:28.479 as well, because it was brutal. It was brutal, and 0:05:29.120 --> 0:05:31.280 she was kind of nervous for that to come out. 0:05:31.320 --> 0:05:33.880 And so I think both of us were there in 0:05:34.080 --> 0:05:36.640 a mutual kind of supportive role of I want to 0:05:36.640 --> 0:05:39.159 support her and I want to show people that we 0:05:39.200 --> 0:05:41.800 are fine, We are friends. It was a game, and 0:05:41.839 --> 0:05:45.080 I respect her move, and she wants to show as 0:05:45.120 --> 0:05:48.320 well that she really respected my game. And there was 0:05:48.360 --> 0:05:50.800 a reason we worked so well together. And if it 0:05:50.800 --> 0:05:54.040 hadn't been blood versus water, and we'd been there by ourselves, 0:05:54.120 --> 0:05:57.480 then maybe we would have gone on a bit longer together. 0:05:57.800 --> 0:05:59.960 But the blood was stronger than water. 0:06:00.320 --> 0:06:02.279 I love your perspective on it. But we'll send us 0:06:02.320 --> 0:06:03.960 some KFC this morning just in case. 0:06:04.680 --> 0:06:05.680 Yes, we will. 0:06:08.200 --> 0:06:08.400 Luck. 0:06:09.440 --> 0:06:11.440 The thing for me was, did you think at the 0:06:11.480 --> 0:06:14.960 time that sam did use some serious mischief by taking 0:06:14.960 --> 0:06:18.080 your idol and then sending you home or do you 0:06:18.120 --> 0:06:20.200 think that's just what do you think that's just like 0:06:20.240 --> 0:06:21.159 the nature of the game. 0:06:22.000 --> 0:06:27.240 Yeah, it's a really interesting discussion, I guess because myself 0:06:27.560 --> 0:06:30.680 I played with what I would say a pretty savage mindset, 0:06:31.000 --> 0:06:34.279 and that's definitely my approach going forward on the jury 0:06:34.480 --> 0:06:39.839 is to be quite judgmental of people's goat games or so. 0:06:40.480 --> 0:06:44.240 In essence, I respect players. I respect people that play, 0:06:44.680 --> 0:06:49.000 and people that take the opportunity and take the risks 0:06:49.120 --> 0:06:51.680 to win the game rather than sit there at the end, 0:06:51.760 --> 0:06:54.000 Because what are you doing if you're coming to sit 0:06:54.040 --> 0:06:55.920 here at the end. There's that many people that would 0:06:55.920 --> 0:06:58.600 love this opportunity and so make the most of it. 0:06:59.000 --> 0:07:01.400 I guess I respect did that about her move and 0:07:01.520 --> 0:07:04.240 understood that there had to be a reason behind it. 0:07:04.480 --> 0:07:09.400 But yeah, definitely it wasn't easy, and trying to figure 0:07:09.400 --> 0:07:13.200 out why it happened and why she did decide to 0:07:13.280 --> 0:07:15.920 go with Jordan and Josh instead of me and my 0:07:16.000 --> 0:07:18.840 bro was hard because I never had a chance to 0:07:19.120 --> 0:07:22.560 really chat it out until after the game, so figuring 0:07:22.600 --> 0:07:25.680 out kind of what went down afterwards and out of 0:07:25.720 --> 0:07:28.520 the game. I totally understand their reasoning, and if I 0:07:28.600 --> 0:07:30.760 was in their situation, I would have done the same thing. 0:07:31.040 --> 0:07:33.679 I just want to throw, like, what is it something 0:07:33.720 --> 0:07:36.440 on the fire to keep this burning? But I when 0:07:36.440 --> 0:07:39.760 I was watching it felt like when she was taking 0:07:39.800 --> 0:07:42.200 the idol you know, oh, you can kind of see that, 0:07:42.280 --> 0:07:44.480 you know, maybe I'll take the idol back. 0:07:44.320 --> 0:07:45.080 And all of that. 0:07:45.760 --> 0:07:47.760 When I was watching that, I felt like she was 0:07:47.840 --> 0:07:49.840 doing you some mischief. 0:07:49.840 --> 0:07:54.040 And I think, look, there's every opportunity, there's every chance 0:07:54.120 --> 0:07:57.320 she was And I knew that in the moment too, 0:07:57.840 --> 0:08:01.040 And that was like, I'm the one that handed the 0:08:01.080 --> 0:08:04.360 idol over to her, and that's a risk. But every 0:08:04.400 --> 0:08:08.040 decision I made was based on thirty days of relationships 0:08:08.040 --> 0:08:11.680 and information and information. In that moment, I knew that 0:08:12.160 --> 0:08:15.960 Sam's relationship Sam and my relationship was being strained because 0:08:16.120 --> 0:08:18.200 I was being pulled towards my brother and she was 0:08:18.200 --> 0:08:21.480 being pulled towards Mark. So I knew there was what meanwhile, 0:08:21.520 --> 0:08:23.800 we're trying to pull off this massive move. In order 0:08:24.160 --> 0:08:26.120 for that to be pulled off, there has to be trust. 0:08:26.480 --> 0:08:29.680 So I figured, she's already seen I have the idol 0:08:29.880 --> 0:08:31.720 when I put it down the front of my pants. Yeah, 0:08:31.760 --> 0:08:35.720 you could just see it potentially. So I took the 0:08:35.840 --> 0:08:38.840 risk of showing her some trust, showing her some faith 0:08:39.120 --> 0:08:41.360 to help me get it back into camp. And I 0:08:41.360 --> 0:08:44.360 guess if you understand how that works, you understand that 0:08:44.840 --> 0:08:48.719 you can't just take it because if I wanted it back, 0:08:48.760 --> 0:08:50.400 all I've got to do is say, hey, Sam, can 0:08:50.440 --> 0:08:52.440 I have my idol back in front of everyone? And 0:08:52.480 --> 0:08:54.920 then every night everyone knows she's got an idol and 0:08:54.960 --> 0:08:57.720 instantly she's a target and she's gone. So no one's 0:08:57.800 --> 0:08:59.959 kind of dumb enough to do that, if that makes sense. 0:09:00.240 --> 0:09:01.840 So I knew that. 0:09:02.720 --> 0:09:05.400 Yeah, Unfortunately, I'm going to quickly interrupting here and just 0:09:05.440 --> 0:09:09.680 say that I basically smacked the television because I was like, so, 0:09:09.720 --> 0:09:12.880 you owe me a new television. But I just was like, no, 0:09:12.920 --> 0:09:16.200 we needs to ask it back because wouldn't you think though, yes, 0:09:16.800 --> 0:09:18.920 you would highlight the fact that you have the idol, 0:09:19.160 --> 0:09:21.360 but at least you'd still be in the game, Like, 0:09:21.520 --> 0:09:23.480 didn't you think it was a killer at that point? 0:09:23.520 --> 0:09:25.839 So yeah, I could have asked for the idol back 0:09:25.880 --> 0:09:28.600 at tribal council if I wanted to, definitely, but I 0:09:28.600 --> 0:09:31.360 didn't want to because I didn't want to play it. 0:09:31.440 --> 0:09:32.840 Even if I had it, I wasn't going to play 0:09:32.880 --> 0:09:35.680 it because I knew I was coping boats. But I 0:09:35.760 --> 0:09:37.960 wanted to take that risk because if me and my 0:09:38.000 --> 0:09:41.680 brother had that idol in five votes time or in 0:09:41.760 --> 0:09:43.360 a little bit more time, we would have been able 0:09:43.360 --> 0:09:45.760 to use that to get ourselves to the end. We 0:09:45.760 --> 0:09:47.520 were going to be able to use that idol to win. 0:09:48.040 --> 0:09:50.720 And in my mind, I'm trying to process, well, do 0:09:50.840 --> 0:09:54.120 I play this idol to survive another day? Or do 0:09:54.160 --> 0:09:57.200 I take the risk of keeping this idol in Sam's 0:09:57.200 --> 0:10:00.360 poker and getting it off her after tribal council to 0:10:00.400 --> 0:10:03.520 win this game? And for me, every decision I'd made, 0:10:03.960 --> 0:10:07.760 every risk I'd taken, especially through TRIBESWAP, I didn't play it. 0:10:07.840 --> 0:10:10.360 I didn't really play a calm game from blind citing 0:10:10.400 --> 0:10:13.720 Bennie than Kroc, then Bennie again, Like we came to win. 0:10:13.960 --> 0:10:17.360 I wasn't going to get scared now, so I wouldn't 0:10:17.360 --> 0:10:17.840 have played it. 0:10:18.040 --> 0:10:20.640 Okay, we'll get a new TV. Why do you think 0:10:20.720 --> 0:10:21.800 this really frustrated me? 0:10:22.040 --> 0:10:24.439 Why did they come for you over what they kept 0:10:24.480 --> 0:10:26.200 blaming was your brother's fault? 0:10:26.240 --> 0:10:27.439 Like really frustrated me. 0:10:27.520 --> 0:10:30.080 I know he had his immunity necklace, so you know, 0:10:30.160 --> 0:10:33.280 like he could so like they couldn't really come for him. 0:10:33.760 --> 0:10:35.440 But I mean they were talking about this for I 0:10:35.440 --> 0:10:37.280 felt like for it was leading up to that point 0:10:37.320 --> 0:10:39.760 for a while where they were sort of blaming him 0:10:40.080 --> 0:10:42.319 and then going for you, where I felt like your 0:10:42.400 --> 0:10:45.520 relationship as the kid and was a little bit stronger 0:10:45.520 --> 0:10:46.960 than your brothers with a lot of these people. 0:10:47.480 --> 0:10:52.440 Yeah, so I think, from my understanding, some of the 0:10:52.520 --> 0:10:56.880 reasoning was behind the fact that they felt that I 0:10:57.000 --> 0:11:01.840 potentially was a little bit more strategic and was potentially 0:11:01.880 --> 0:11:04.319 a little bit more of the brains behind my relationship 0:11:04.360 --> 0:11:07.560 with my brother, and so that kind of left my 0:11:07.640 --> 0:11:10.200 brother as an easy number. So I think that was 0:11:10.280 --> 0:11:13.720 part of their reasoning, I guess, Yeah, include the fact that, yeah, 0:11:13.760 --> 0:11:16.600 he then won immunity, and yeah, I guess quite a 0:11:16.640 --> 0:11:19.440 number of factors I think which would have led to 0:11:19.480 --> 0:11:22.720 the decision. And hopefully now my brother can prove him 0:11:22.760 --> 0:11:25.839 wrong and show a bit of fight and cause some damage. 0:11:26.320 --> 0:11:28.960 Absolutely well, I hope he does. I mean, did you 0:11:29.040 --> 0:11:31.600 disbelieve that she wouldn't give the idol to your brother? 0:11:31.640 --> 0:11:34.240 Because immediately as you said to her, you'll give this 0:11:34.280 --> 0:11:36.880 to my brother. Right, I'm obviously misquoting this, but that's 0:11:36.880 --> 0:11:39.520 how it felt like for me. And then you straightaway 0:11:39.559 --> 0:11:41.800 went over and said she's got the idol. Was that 0:11:41.840 --> 0:11:43.840 because you did disbelieve that she was going to do 0:11:43.920 --> 0:11:44.800 she was just going to keep it. 0:11:44.840 --> 0:11:47.680 All In that moment, I knew that because if it 0:11:47.760 --> 0:11:51.000 was me now, I wouldn't give the idol. If it 0:11:51.040 --> 0:11:53.040 was Sam and I was back seven Sam, I wouldn't 0:11:53.040 --> 0:11:55.839 give the idol to Mark. But what I would do 0:11:56.480 --> 0:12:00.600 as I understood how the idol was acquired and my 0:12:00.720 --> 0:12:05.760 relationship with Sam, and understanding that now I've removed Sam, 0:12:05.840 --> 0:12:08.240 Mark's not as much of a threat, And so that's 0:12:08.280 --> 0:12:11.320 kind of what my thinking was with my brother was that, Okay, 0:12:11.400 --> 0:12:14.160 he's now not much of a threat compared to when 0:12:14.160 --> 0:12:17.120 we were a duo, So surely I would be able 0:12:17.160 --> 0:12:19.960 to pull on that relationship with Sam to go okay. 0:12:20.760 --> 0:12:22.800 I helped get you to flip and day thirty, we 0:12:22.880 --> 0:12:25.920 did some epic things together, like let's have a bit 0:12:25.960 --> 0:12:30.160 of I don't know this unwritten sportsmanship. And people may 0:12:30.280 --> 0:12:32.679 question that because it is Survivor, but in the end, 0:12:32.679 --> 0:12:35.880 Survivor as a game of individual players, and Sam and 0:12:35.920 --> 0:12:39.120 I do have that respect as athletes, I guess, And 0:12:39.200 --> 0:12:42.359 so I was trying to pull on that to potentially 0:12:42.400 --> 0:12:45.240 get her and Mark to to use the idol to 0:12:45.320 --> 0:12:47.840 support my brother, to use it with my brother, to 0:12:48.160 --> 0:12:50.960 not use it against him. I wanted that idol to 0:12:51.040 --> 0:12:54.320 still help my brother, and so that's kind of where 0:12:54.320 --> 0:12:57.160 my thinking was. I didn't expect them to give it 0:12:57.200 --> 0:13:00.679 to him because I probably wouldn't do it. So I 0:13:00.760 --> 0:13:02.520 just had to try, though, I had to try. 0:13:03.120 --> 0:13:05.240 I just love your maturity. I'm like, just talking to 0:13:05.280 --> 0:13:07.520 you about this today. Maybe they need to change it 0:13:07.559 --> 0:13:14.480 to outlast outplay out smart kumbaya. You know, it's all 0:13:14.480 --> 0:13:17.560 good now, it's all good, but you know your team 0:13:17.960 --> 0:13:20.000 there really is this boys group, you know, and they 0:13:20.080 --> 0:13:22.600 smartly called it a committee, I think, you know, instead 0:13:22.640 --> 0:13:25.600 of calling it anything to masculine so people wouldn't come 0:13:25.600 --> 0:13:26.040 for them in. 0:13:25.960 --> 0:13:27.080 This woke era. 0:13:27.400 --> 0:13:31.800 But how fair has that committee really been over the 0:13:31.880 --> 0:13:33.000 last couple of episodes. 0:13:33.400 --> 0:13:38.320 I think what's interesting is is really that majority started 0:13:38.360 --> 0:13:42.079 forming super early on in the game. So Mayan Sam's 0:13:42.120 --> 0:13:46.400 relationship and then and then Jordan's relationship in blood Og 0:13:46.920 --> 0:13:49.800 was was quite strong. And then on the other side 0:13:49.960 --> 0:13:53.120 you had Mark, my brother, and Josh who were really 0:13:53.120 --> 0:13:56.400 close as well. So we really had the foundations of 0:13:56.559 --> 0:13:59.800 a tight six kind of forming early on in the game. 0:14:00.360 --> 0:14:03.360 And so what you saw through Tribe Swap was, Yeah, 0:14:03.400 --> 0:14:05.839 I guess the boys club kind of coming together and 0:14:06.400 --> 0:14:11.040 those four pulling in Dave as well as a number 0:14:11.400 --> 0:14:15.160 to fill in that majority. So I think it really 0:14:15.400 --> 0:14:17.800 just was a group of people that have a real 0:14:17.960 --> 0:14:22.160 mutual interest. It's quite rare for Survivor to see so 0:14:22.240 --> 0:14:25.440 many big boys make it that far through the game, 0:14:25.920 --> 0:14:28.520 and these big boys have watched enough Survivor to know 0:14:28.640 --> 0:14:31.360 that the big boys are targeted, So why not stay 0:14:31.360 --> 0:14:34.520 together to avoid being targeted. Let's just hold the numbers 0:14:34.600 --> 0:14:38.040 and control the game. And so I think it's quite 0:14:38.040 --> 0:14:41.760 a counterintuitive move because going into Survivor, my brother and 0:14:41.840 --> 0:14:45.280 my understanding was don't play with the big boys. Don't 0:14:45.280 --> 0:14:48.200 play with the big boys, because you're going to get targeted. 0:14:48.400 --> 0:14:51.920 But there were just so many in this game that 0:14:52.040 --> 0:14:55.440 sticking together was the safest planning. And so yeah, now 0:14:55.480 --> 0:14:58.400 you've got the committee, I guess. And I think it's 0:14:58.600 --> 0:15:01.600 interesting because it's not really happened ever in Survivor for 0:15:01.680 --> 0:15:04.720 this amount of big boys to be making it this far. 0:15:05.600 --> 0:15:07.240 Well, they've been smart enough to sort of bring a 0:15:07.240 --> 0:15:09.840 couple of those girls into that group. Now, yeah, I 0:15:09.880 --> 0:15:11.440 wonder whether or not you think they're going to be 0:15:11.480 --> 0:15:13.480 the first to go though, do you think that the 0:15:13.520 --> 0:15:16.600 boys will then target those girls and try and keep 0:15:16.720 --> 0:15:17.320 that strength. 0:15:17.760 --> 0:15:21.840 I think that now I've left the game and such 0:15:21.840 --> 0:15:25.440 a big change in the dynamics has happened, that they 0:15:25.520 --> 0:15:28.520 will want to settle things down a bit. There is 0:15:28.560 --> 0:15:30.520 still a little bit to go. There is still a 0:15:30.560 --> 0:15:34.400 bit of fat to trim, I guess. So I think 0:15:34.800 --> 0:15:38.280 if I was them, yeah, I'd definitely be trying to 0:15:38.320 --> 0:15:40.960 stay lower bit. Just vote a few of the easy 0:15:41.040 --> 0:15:44.840 numbers out before things get a bit too hectic, because 0:15:45.440 --> 0:15:48.360 if they start turning on each other, now, what you're 0:15:48.360 --> 0:15:50.960 going to have is all goats at the end, and 0:15:52.040 --> 0:15:53.120 no one really wants. 0:15:52.880 --> 0:15:55.920 That survival, right, So it's still going to be careful 0:15:56.040 --> 0:15:58.680 about who is left in that final selection because you've 0:15:58.720 --> 0:16:01.880 got to have still people on side that respect your gameplay. 0:16:02.280 --> 0:16:05.720 So like even last night when there was the reference 0:16:05.760 --> 0:16:10.360 to dirty deals being made, shouldn't people try and avoid 0:16:10.720 --> 0:16:12.720 too many dirty deals to make sure that if they 0:16:12.720 --> 0:16:14.840 are in that final selection, that they are the person 0:16:14.880 --> 0:16:15.520 that gets picked. 0:16:16.560 --> 0:16:19.000 Yeah. And I think what's interesting is the blood verse 0:16:19.080 --> 0:16:22.240 water just adds a whole different dynamics. So if you 0:16:22.320 --> 0:16:25.840 really backstab someone and then you may lose them and 0:16:26.000 --> 0:16:29.280 their loved ones vote in the jury, and so some 0:16:29.360 --> 0:16:31.640 of you, my example was an odd one. But for 0:16:31.720 --> 0:16:34.440 me personally, if she does make it to the end, 0:16:35.040 --> 0:16:38.120 I don't think there is that animosity there that may 0:16:38.160 --> 0:16:42.000 prevent me from voting for her. But in certain situations, 0:16:42.040 --> 0:16:47.040 definitely that animosity might be there because the feelings are 0:16:47.120 --> 0:16:49.880 so much stronger, Your emotions are so much stronger, because 0:16:49.920 --> 0:16:52.480 you've got loved ones, and how could you turn on 0:16:52.520 --> 0:16:55.320 my loved ones? So it is interesting and it is 0:16:55.360 --> 0:16:58.000 a dynamic that we haven't seen before where you do 0:16:58.120 --> 0:17:01.320 really have to think about being an nice guy because 0:17:01.880 --> 0:17:04.600 bad guys won't win this game, because you won't get 0:17:04.600 --> 0:17:07.280 the votes, because there's too much emotion in this game. 0:17:07.520 --> 0:17:10.840 Absolutely, and I guess I have to ask now, looking 0:17:10.880 --> 0:17:13.520 back at it, I want to know why you chose Survivor? 0:17:13.640 --> 0:17:14.879 How did this opportunity come up? 0:17:14.960 --> 0:17:15.160 Yeah? 0:17:15.240 --> 0:17:17.359 How this opportunity come up? So? Yeah, me and my 0:17:17.400 --> 0:17:21.160 brother grew up watching Survivor and we just we've loved 0:17:21.160 --> 0:17:24.640 it and loved the game. And I actually personally had 0:17:24.720 --> 0:17:28.320 never thought of applying because it was just going to 0:17:28.359 --> 0:17:31.639 be too much sacrifice for me personally to take that 0:17:31.720 --> 0:17:34.160 amount of time out of my life. I didn't think 0:17:34.160 --> 0:17:35.479 I was really going to be able to do it. 0:17:35.520 --> 0:17:37.840 And my brother had applied a couple of times and 0:17:38.440 --> 0:17:41.560 was close to getting on the previous season Brains Versus Braun, 0:17:42.040 --> 0:17:45.720 and then he got one lucky phone call where they 0:17:45.760 --> 0:17:47.919 asked if he had someone he might be willing to 0:17:47.920 --> 0:17:49.360 go on the show with. And I was like, then, 0:17:49.440 --> 0:17:53.520 go yes, because to get to go on with my brother, 0:17:53.800 --> 0:17:56.520 it was all going to be worth it. So then 0:17:56.880 --> 0:18:00.080 I got that opportunity, and so yeah, decided to go 0:18:00.119 --> 0:18:03.600 on together. And I haven't looked back yet, like, yeah, 0:18:03.680 --> 0:18:05.880 my life's very much been on hold, and yeah, it's 0:18:05.880 --> 0:18:08.480 been a bit like really kind of an eight month 0:18:08.560 --> 0:18:13.000 process so far, really of a life changing eight months, 0:18:13.280 --> 0:18:17.600 but an incredibly beneficial, life changing eight months, and I'm 0:18:17.680 --> 0:18:20.800 so grateful for the experience. And yeah, I'd do it 0:18:20.840 --> 0:18:21.880 at the drop of a hat. 0:18:21.920 --> 0:18:25.040 Again, I always say to people though, with reality television, 0:18:25.320 --> 0:18:28.720 it doesn't matter whatever happens on the show, everyone goes 0:18:28.760 --> 0:18:31.600 back to who they were, whether it's six months or 0:18:31.640 --> 0:18:34.159 two years. It's always a factory reset. We all go 0:18:34.280 --> 0:18:36.320 back to the exact same plan that we were on 0:18:36.640 --> 0:18:39.760 before we you know, lost our minds in an experience 0:18:39.920 --> 0:18:42.520 like this, So I mean, I've always been a weirdo 0:18:42.960 --> 0:18:46.960 who was obsessed with television, So I'm still a wido 0:18:47.119 --> 0:18:50.000 obsessed with television doing exactly what I would have been doing, 0:18:50.119 --> 0:18:52.400 you know, had I not done Big Brother. So I think, 0:18:52.440 --> 0:18:54.760 you know, I will say to you, life will settle 0:18:54.800 --> 0:18:57.520 down and you will be able to, you know, have 0:18:57.560 --> 0:19:01.639 your normal life back fairly soon, once all of the 0:19:02.160 --> 0:19:04.240 once people stop sliding into your dams and asking you 0:19:04.320 --> 0:19:08.800 ridiculous questions. You did survive a very long time in 0:19:08.840 --> 0:19:10.920 the competition, you know, did you get used to the 0:19:11.040 --> 0:19:14.679 hunger and the conditions or were you slowly losing your 0:19:14.720 --> 0:19:15.360 mind at the end. 0:19:15.600 --> 0:19:20.000 Personally, I think it was about day seven when we 0:19:20.080 --> 0:19:23.399 had the reward where Bluetribe got to come over and 0:19:23.400 --> 0:19:25.399 eat that cheese platter in front of us, but I 0:19:25.480 --> 0:19:28.239 got to see my brother, and that was really at 0:19:28.240 --> 0:19:31.280 the point where I realized in Survivor, you have to 0:19:31.280 --> 0:19:34.880 make the mental decision to not think about food because 0:19:35.040 --> 0:19:37.320 otherwise you are going to drive yourself up the wall 0:19:37.400 --> 0:19:40.439 and literally go crazy because there's nothing you can do 0:19:40.480 --> 0:19:43.200 about it. You have to tell yourself that this is reality. 0:19:43.240 --> 0:19:45.560 There is no other option. You are going to starve. 0:19:45.640 --> 0:19:48.560 Your body is going to fall apart. That's okay, and 0:19:48.600 --> 0:19:51.400