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Speaker 1: This is jem nation with Chen. Well, with that song,

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Speaker 1: you can tell that was a bad breakup, can't you.

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Speaker 1: There's some very specific moments in there where you think,

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Speaker 1: jul you wouldn't want to be that guy, Well.

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Speaker 2: You wouldn't want to be the guy, and he's out

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Speaker 2: with the date that bit I hate to bug you

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Speaker 2: in the middle of dinner. You know, the guy would

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Speaker 2: be sitting there saying, honey, this is the one I

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Speaker 2: told you about. Anyway, yes, back to my fish.

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Speaker 1: It does sound like it was a hell of a breakup.

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Speaker 1: Alanis Morrissett has never said who that song was about.

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Speaker 1: She's been asked many times since she said there would

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Speaker 1: never be a revealing of the man's identity.

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Speaker 2: She had a bit of a your so vain thing.

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Speaker 2: Carly Simon said that that song, well, she didn't say.

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Speaker 3: It was about.

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Speaker 2: It could have been about Warren Baty, or Mick Jagger

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Speaker 2: or trev from up the Shops.

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Speaker 1: Although Mick Jagger sings on You're so vain, so imagine

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Speaker 1: him singing it thinking it was about him. How vain.

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Speaker 1: So she's never said who it's about. There's been some

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Speaker 1: speculation that it was about an ex boyfriend of hers

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Speaker 1: who she went out with a couple of years for

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Speaker 1: a couple of years. His name is Dave Coolier. Now

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Speaker 1: Dave was in Full House. I've never watched Full House.

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Speaker 1: So who was he?

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Speaker 2: Joey was Uncle Jesse.

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Speaker 1: He played the blonde one. Stam Moossi was the other one.

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Speaker 2: Dave Coolier he played I think it was Uncle Jolk.

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Speaker 1: So they started dating in nineteen ninety two. She was

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Speaker 1: eighteen and he was thirty three. Quite the gap, and

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Speaker 1: they broke up after two years, and she released this

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Speaker 1: album later that year. So she has never said who

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Speaker 1: it is about. But the guy himself, Dave Coolier was

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Speaker 1: interviewed on the Jim Norton and Sam Roberts Show on

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Speaker 1: Sirius XM, and here's what he said.

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Speaker 3: Here's the story. I'm driving in Detroit and I hear

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Speaker 3: the hook for you Are to Know Come on the

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Speaker 3: radio and I'm like, wow, this is a really cool hook.

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Speaker 3: And then I start hearing the voice. I'm like, wow,

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Speaker 3: this girl can sing. I'm listening to the lyrics going ooh, oh, no, oh,

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Speaker 3: I can't be this guy. And I went to the

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Speaker 3: record store bought the CD, and I went and I

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Speaker 3: parked on a street and I listened to the whole record,

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Speaker 3: and there was a lot of familiar stuff in there

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Speaker 3: that her and I had talked about, like your shake

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Speaker 3: is like a fish, you know. I'd go, hey, dead

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Speaker 3: fish me, you know, and we'd do this dead fish handshake.

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Speaker 3: And so I started listening to it and I thought, Ooh,

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Speaker 3: I think I may have really hurt this woman. And

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Speaker 3: that was my first thought. And so years later we

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Speaker 3: reconnected and she couldn't have been sweeter. And I said,

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Speaker 3: what do you want me to say when people ask

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Speaker 3: me about this relationship? And she said, you can say

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Speaker 3: whatever you want. So she was really sweet about it.

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Speaker 3: She was kind. I'll tell you the kind of person

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Speaker 3: she is. When my sister Sharon was dying with cancer,

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Speaker 3: Alanis was living in Toronto, my sister was in Detroit.

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Speaker 3: She actually drove to Detroit with her guitar and sat

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Speaker 3: with my sister playing songs and singing to my sister

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Speaker 3: in the hospital. Wow, that's the kind of human being

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Speaker 3: she is. So I've never had anything bad to say

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Speaker 3: about her.

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Speaker 1: She's lovely.

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Speaker 2: Now, when you were in that theater that she references,

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Speaker 2: what movie were you watching it? You know.

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Speaker 3: You do that you do that popcorn cup one time

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Speaker 3: and it backfires, aren't you?

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Speaker 1: Which he says, how sweet and loving she is? Well,

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Speaker 1: there's lyrics mine say others.

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Speaker 2: But also he's thirty three, she's eighteen. Angsty teen.

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Speaker 1: Thanks, what you're getting you're taking out an angsty tee.

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Speaker 2: And any guy that contemplates going out with a young girl,

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Speaker 2: that's what you're gonna get.

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Speaker 1: Just remember that angsty teen.

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Speaker 2: You're gonna you might get scrungey bump pants, but you're

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Speaker 2: gonna get angsty tea.

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Speaker 1: And when she writes your name on her pencil case

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Speaker 1: and then scrubs it out with axe, you know, just

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Speaker 1: as a footnote to this, Brendan, you and I have

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Speaker 1: always feuded about how to say her name. I say, Alanis.

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Speaker 1: You say, how do you call her Alanis? It's a line?

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Speaker 2: I say, how dare you? I just say it's Alanas.

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Speaker 2: We say Alana's in Australia.

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Speaker 1: Well, can we just hear how her form of boyfriend says.

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Speaker 2: It's Well, that's why she got so angsty with him

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Speaker 2: saying it wrong the whole time. I'll say this to you.

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Speaker 2: You know what it is. It's it's the accent we

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Speaker 2: had Alanas on our show. We had Alanas on our show,

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Speaker 2: Remember we did this.

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Speaker 1: How thrilled we are to welcome the incredible Alanis. Morris

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Speaker 1: said hello, Hello.

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Speaker 2: I'd just like to say this to you because in

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Speaker 2: Australia we say when we pronounce your name, we say Alanis.

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Speaker 2: But we have always had this argument because in Canada

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Speaker 2: you're you're an Alanis.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what masda marsda sasta pasta?

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Speaker 2: Which one would you prefer because we don't want to

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Speaker 2: upset you or you know, yes, it would.

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Speaker 3: Be really upset you.

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Speaker 1: And Madam I know you think I have an accent,

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Speaker 1: but your accent is breastating, so you can say it.

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Speaker 2: However again, well I'm just going to say Alanis, all right,

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Speaker 2: that's from the horses mat Yeah.

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Speaker 1: But how when you say here in Australia we say Alana's. No,

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Speaker 1: we don't. You're the only one who does. Her name

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Speaker 1: is Alanis.

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Speaker 2: Sounds like a pub test.

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Speaker 1: Let's get to write a song about you, Eve it

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Speaker 1: was you worked with one