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Speaker 1: This is a podcast about failure with me. Lola Berry, author, nutritionist,

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Speaker 1: and yoga teacher, join me as we get to know

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Speaker 1: these guests and learn about how their failures have ultimately

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Speaker 1: shaped their dreams. Welcome to Fearlessly Failing with Lolaberry. Today

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Speaker 1: on the pod we have Guy Turland aka Bondo Harvest.

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Speaker 1: We have been mates for yongks. This guy is the

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Speaker 1: real deal. He's grounded, he's driven, he's humble, his kind

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Speaker 1: and he's a health nerd well. He's a chef and

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Speaker 1: really into wholesome, real ingredients, super simple recipes. His YouTube

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Speaker 1: channel is massive. He's got a Bondo Harvest Cafe restaurant

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Speaker 1: in La He's just recently relocated the Iconic Depot in Bondi,

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Speaker 1: so if you're in bond I, make sure you check

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Speaker 1: it out. This guy's NonStop, super driven, but incredibly humble.

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Speaker 1: I hope you enjoy this chat with my dear friend,

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Speaker 1: Guy Turland.

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Speaker 2: Guy Taurland, Welcome to the Sky Studio.

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Speaker 1: How long have we been talking about doing this? It

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Speaker 1: feels like a lifetime, Dude, it's actually been years.

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Speaker 2: It's like we've been flirting for I don't know, at

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Speaker 2: least three years about doing the podcast, it's kind of

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Speaker 2: like but then like I'll go overseas or you'll have

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Speaker 2: something on or like life.

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Speaker 1: Every time I have a Sydney trip, I'm like, on

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Speaker 1: these dates, are you in town? And you're like, I

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Speaker 1: don't know most of the.

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Speaker 2: Let's catch up, oh COVID, we can't catch up. Let's

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Speaker 2: be a meter and a half fart or whatever. It is,

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Speaker 2: just like it's life.

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Speaker 1: We're here now where it makes it sweeter totally, and

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Speaker 1: we have a very long standing friendship, Like I don't

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Speaker 1: know how long, but I tried to figure it out

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Speaker 1: on the way here.

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Speaker 2: That's still hard to figure out, right.

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Speaker 1: So people listening Bondo Harvest.

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Speaker 2: Is you yep?

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Speaker 1: So I like to think of you as kind of

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Speaker 1: like travel all things food, cooking, but almost like the

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean for me, I kind of think that

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Speaker 2: food and life and holidays and the good stuff in

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Speaker 2: life will comes from the experience more so than I mean, say,

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Speaker 2: a dish of food there for like a minute finishing it.

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Speaker 2: It's more about the making of it and the people

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Speaker 2: and the entire experience.

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Speaker 1: For me, Yeah, totally, I'm going to get more into

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Speaker 1: that because you taught me that we have cooked together twice. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we've made I looked it up on YouTube this morning.

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Speaker 1: We've made avotoast together. We did yep with hemp seeds. Huh,

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Speaker 1: and then we may ho steak. That's right, my first one, yep.

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Speaker 2: And we haven't cut or burned ourselves once we nailed it.

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Speaker 1: Well, I think you know it. You're the expert sheriff,

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Speaker 1: and I was just like, haha, this is awesome.

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Speaker 2: You were telling me about cauliflower being looking like a

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Speaker 2: brain for your head right sphere. I'm not the term

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Speaker 1: Doctrine of signatures.

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Speaker 2: Yes, okay, I'll keep the big words for you.

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Speaker 1: Oh no, no, no, okay. So you are a chef, you're

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Speaker 1: a businessman, you're a restauranteur. Is that the right word? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: cookbook author. I've been to your Sydney launch. You did

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Speaker 1: content creator, TV host. I've also been on that TV show.

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Speaker 2: You're on the TV show, Yeah, the first series Summer Cooking.

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Speaker 1: Summer Cooking, and that was I remember that was so exciting.

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Speaker 1: We were cooking on a on a like cliff top

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Speaker 1: just down here, and he's putting to like is that Tamar?

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Speaker 2: Tamar and Bronte. Yeah, yes, okay, great, nail it. Basically

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Speaker 2: local I have.

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Speaker 1: I've been watching your recipes, your Bondo Harvest basics at

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Speaker 1: the moment. The waffle, the Mandalorian waffle, and you made

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Speaker 1: it pink by using b troop.

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, natural sweetness.

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Speaker 1: Ps. My brain is hegulity, so you're going to see

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Speaker 2: I'm good at ping pong. That's good.

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Speaker 1: Perfect. I have a fan boys story for you. My

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Speaker 1: boy before we even locked this podcast, and my boyfriend

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Speaker 1: saw you make and I'm gonna say the name so wrong.

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Speaker 1: He's Italian, so he says it beautifully. It's that spaghetti Ali.

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Speaker 2: Their I thought you were gonna say you cooked it

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Speaker 1: Matt Aka Bosso Italian so could live off like he

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Speaker 2: because it seems like they can eat pasta and palms

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Speaker 2: and that process, I suppose starts the whole salivation process

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Speaker 1: And yeah, you were teaching me about bringing layers and

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Speaker 2: It was like lots of it was lots of carrots.

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Speaker 1: And it was so fun to look at like it

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Speaker 1: jumping around my own personal history and experiences with you

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Speaker 1: and your own history. So straight out of school, you

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Speaker 2: I think that's where the fire got lit, so to speak.

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Speaker 2: like that's kind of bullshit, you know, like, yeah, we're

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Speaker 2: Now yeah, yeah, I mean I kind of think school

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Speaker 1: Yeah, your brain wouldn't be linear at all, you'd be

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Speaker 2: My parents are great too, Like they were in the

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Speaker 2: way of schooling. They were never strict. They would never like,

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Speaker 2: that's great. It was more so about being polite a shot,

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Speaker 2: They're good, They're really cool. I'm lucky. I'm very lucky.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So school depot. So that was depot in so iconic.

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Speaker 2: Yes, it's been there fifteen years now ish, maybe even longer. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I remember when you told me that story when you

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Speaker 1: made the jump, but I didn't realize you were twenty one.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, as a whipper snaffer.

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Speaker 1: Oh good though, because also you hear all those amazing restaurants.

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Speaker 1: But the culture is really like very hard working and

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Speaker 2: think doing them from sself for someone else and breaking

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Speaker 1: or if you do, you don't you might see it

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Speaker 1: Ah, you're so interesting. I could talk all this different

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Speaker 2: the very beginning, and you sit in there in the

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Speaker 2: green room and you're waiting and you're thinking, and you're

438
00:20:26,520 --> 00:20:28,320
Speaker 2: you know, you're going over your recipe or whatever it

439
00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:29,600
Speaker 2: might be, like oh my god.

440
00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:31,080
Speaker 1: Because if you stuff up, it's live TV.

441
00:20:31,160 --> 00:20:33,480
Speaker 2: Everyone sees it, you know, And then the gun goes

442
00:20:33,520 --> 00:20:36,520
Speaker 2: off and the next thing it's done, and you're like,

443
00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:40,119
Speaker 2: what just happened? You kind of forget that, and you're.

444
00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:43,280
Speaker 1: In New York and like, was it Rockefeller Center? Yeah?

445
00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:46,239
Speaker 2: It was. It was quite funny because I was one

446
00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:49,840
Speaker 2: of the first people to do it in history as

447
00:20:49,880 --> 00:20:53,239
Speaker 2: far as I know outside in the Rockefeller Center. Like

448
00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:56,000
Speaker 2: I was kind of the test dummy almost if something

449
00:20:56,080 --> 00:20:57,840
Speaker 2: was going to go wrong, it was going to go wrong. Man,

450
00:20:58,440 --> 00:21:02,520
Speaker 2: So good. Yeah, and again like, yeah, I'm pretty good

451
00:21:02,520 --> 00:21:04,359
Speaker 2: at laughing at myself, so if something went wrong then

452
00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:06,320
Speaker 2: I just roll with it. Yeah.

453
00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:09,119
Speaker 1: I just love that because I know, like, as an

454
00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:11,760
Speaker 1: Aussie that works in media, something like that would be

455
00:21:12,040 --> 00:21:14,720
Speaker 1: definitely a goal of mine. So seeing you do it

456
00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:17,280
Speaker 1: as like really exciting to kind of like pave the

457
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Speaker 1: way for others.

458
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Speaker 2: It's pretty amazing. It was pretty fine, But I mean

459
00:21:20,440 --> 00:21:23,880
Speaker 2: you also realize that, like we all put things on pedestals. Yeah,

460
00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:26,159
Speaker 2: and when you get there, like you know, the Carson

461
00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:27,680
Speaker 2: Daily and he was the host.

462
00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:30,880
Speaker 1: And we used to du yeah yeah, but still.

463
00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:32,600
Speaker 2: I know, yeah it was crazy. But it's just like

464
00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:35,080
Speaker 2: it's just you know, like, yeah, do you know.

465
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Speaker 1: What's made me humanize people that I really look up

466
00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:40,800
Speaker 1: to podcasts because like Jason Bateman and Will on It

467
00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:42,760
Speaker 1: have a podcast at the moment, and I'm like, oh

468
00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:45,399
Speaker 1: my god, you're human. Like it's really weird hearing people

469
00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:47,840
Speaker 1: just have natural chats, Like it's when you usually see

470
00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:49,840
Speaker 1: them only starring in something.

471
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Speaker 2: Yeah.

472
00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:52,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I've loved here. And then they'll interview Jimmy

473
00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:56,040
Speaker 1: Kimmel and I'm like, what Will Ferrell. I don't know.

474
00:21:56,080 --> 00:21:59,359
Speaker 1: It's just I think I love obviously I love podcasts,

475
00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:02,320
Speaker 1: but I just think it's a really nice way, like

476
00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:05,480
Speaker 1: we'll be vulnerable and pull the like stars and glitter

477
00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:05,680
Speaker 1: or what.

478
00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:09,600
Speaker 2: Completely. It's very hard to be too glitzy when you

479
00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:12,960
Speaker 2: can't see anyone. It's just you know, like yeah, and

480
00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:16,320
Speaker 2: it's also hard to keep an act together if you're

481
00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:20,080
Speaker 2: you know, like pretending, but it sadup for a long

482
00:22:20,119 --> 00:22:22,320
Speaker 2: period of time. So the podcast is they go on.

483
00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:25,040
Speaker 2: You know, you get a sense with someone pretty quickly.

484
00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:27,840
Speaker 1: You can figure out someone's like being.

485
00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:35,720
Speaker 2: Real or whether they're like, you're so ready for America.

486
00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:40,160
Speaker 1: I I want to ask you one more thing before

487
00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:42,280
Speaker 1: about food and stuff before I go a bit hippie

488
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Speaker 1: on you. I saw you, this is one thing I

489
00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:50,000
Speaker 1: love that you do, and you foraged wild fennel and

490
00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:52,439
Speaker 1: then like made some kind of like what did you

491
00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:57,119
Speaker 1: make vinegar so good? And then last time I was here,

492
00:22:57,440 --> 00:22:59,959
Speaker 1: you were showing me crystals you had up the betrip.

493
00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:02,720
Speaker 1: Yeah You're like, yeah, Aaron, and I just foraged them

494
00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:05,640
Speaker 1: basically and went crystal mind, Like did you just.

495
00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:07,320
Speaker 2: Go for a how we just went for a walk

496
00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:10,320
Speaker 2: where we knew there was quartz and like had been gold,

497
00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:12,520
Speaker 2: probably still gold there to be honest, and we just started,

498
00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:14,800
Speaker 2: I don't know, playing around and ship and rocks open

499
00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:17,040
Speaker 2: and there they were so cool.

500
00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:18,480
Speaker 1: So for you, I feel like, and that's what I

501
00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:20,720
Speaker 1: feel like you bring to everything you do. Like the

502
00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:24,959
Speaker 1: way you film content is quite raw and no filter

503
00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:27,040
Speaker 1: at all, and I feel like, I don't know, like

504
00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:30,720
Speaker 1: you're always connected to the most natural state of something

505
00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:32,320
Speaker 1: that's kind of where I'm going with that with the.

506
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Speaker 2: Foraging, I try I try to. I definitely try to. Yeah,

507
00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:40,160
Speaker 2: I think it's for me. That's where I find myself grounded. Yeah,

508
00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:44,120
Speaker 2: I mean, and life's busy and complicated and for everyone,

509
00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:46,800
Speaker 2: you know, for me, I made a decision a long

510
00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:49,280
Speaker 2: time ago to prioritize things that I love that make

511
00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:51,520
Speaker 2: me me and give them priority just as much as

512
00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:54,440
Speaker 2: work and money and the rest of it. Because ultimately,

513
00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:59,240
Speaker 2: if you can't be yourself, then you can't you know,

514
00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:01,200
Speaker 2: you're only getting bees and everything else.

515
00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:03,840
Speaker 1: Totally. Do you know the first time I ever met you,

516
00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:07,440
Speaker 1: I was teaching yoga at Flow and Kate Kendall said,

517
00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:09,480
Speaker 1: I said, I met this legend. I don't even know

518
00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:11,520
Speaker 1: where the first moment was. And she was like, oh

519
00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:13,080
Speaker 1: my God's sold of the Earth. And I go what

520
00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:15,840
Speaker 1: and she goes, that's guy is sold of the Earth.

521
00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:16,840
Speaker 2: That's beautiful.

522
00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:19,280
Speaker 1: And every time I was meant to see her today

523
00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:21,000
Speaker 1: and I was like, guys, said yes, I've got to

524
00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:23,840
Speaker 1: and she's like, salty.

525
00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:25,200
Speaker 2: People, that's so funny.

526
00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:28,720
Speaker 1: So I think it's that like really honest, genuine, and

527
00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:32,199
Speaker 1: I honestly believe you don't buy into success at all.

528
00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:34,680
Speaker 1: You're just like, Hey, this is my yoga. We call

529
00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:37,280
Speaker 1: it dharma, Like this is my purpose. I'm going to

530
00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:39,840
Speaker 1: go after it because it feels really good. And I

531
00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:42,680
Speaker 1: think you're ultimately about helping and serving others too.

532
00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:45,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's definitely hospitality, you know. That's what's

533
00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:49,440
Speaker 2: humbling about food is ultimately you're creating a gift for someone. Yeah,

534
00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:52,600
Speaker 2: and you're creating a gift that disappears in it's an

535
00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:55,280
Speaker 2: impermanent gift that disappears within you know, half an hour,

536
00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:57,919
Speaker 2: maybe ten minutes. If it's a tasty dish, you know,

537
00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:01,040
Speaker 2: like it's totally it's almost like a mandala of sorts.

538
00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:02,440
Speaker 1: Here's your Easter egg.

539
00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:02,800
Speaker 2: Yep.

540
00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:07,800
Speaker 1: I for many years was such a fan of David Rastovich.

541
00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:12,720
Speaker 1: And I was watching this YouTube interview with you yesterday

542
00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:14,760
Speaker 1: and you were talking about like food and surfing are

543
00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:17,159
Speaker 1: so similar. You've got nothing really to show after you

544
00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:19,480
Speaker 1: have that experience, and you're talking about what inspires you.

545
00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:21,160
Speaker 1: And I was like, oh my god, that's so much

546
00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:24,280
Speaker 1: like Dave Rastavich, Like he's just like very similar because

547
00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:27,119
Speaker 1: he's got a DOCCO called I Surf because or a

548
00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:31,520
Speaker 1: little short you quoted and I wrote it down. At

549
00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:33,520
Speaker 1: the end of a wave, you have nothing in your

550
00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:36,000
Speaker 1: hands to show for it, there's just a twinkle in

551
00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:38,679
Speaker 1: your eye and a sparkle that comes from the experience.

552
00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:43,080
Speaker 1: That's totally you. By the way, I fully get it,

553
00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:44,760
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, he's gonna flip out that

554
00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:48,800
Speaker 1: I know that. I I was really into free surfers

555
00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:51,560
Speaker 1: Yual and Cristel Morrow and like those people that just

556
00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:54,240
Speaker 1: it felt like they were really in tune with nature,

557
00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:55,760
Speaker 1: and I found that really inspiring.

558
00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:59,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, kind of learn from I think like the

559
00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:02,720
Speaker 2: life is at the moment for everyone, it's all about

560
00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:07,560
Speaker 2: chasing something, whether it be money or success or something

561
00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:09,919
Speaker 2: you can hold and then show the world something that

562
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:13,359
Speaker 2: you can you know, like a gold medal or you know,

563
00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:15,800
Speaker 2: there's always this end goal that is something that you

564
00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:20,280
Speaker 2: can tangibly put importance on or show off. Yeah, but

565
00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:23,920
Speaker 2: obviously food and surfing and you know other things, meditation,

566
00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:28,960
Speaker 2: going for a long hike, there's no yeah, it's not there, right,

567
00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:30,840
Speaker 2: Like you catch your wave and you're sure it might

568
00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:32,800
Speaker 2: be a good wave. You might do a few fun cutbacks,

569
00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:37,520
Speaker 2: but yeah, that's it, right, Like, yeah, you know, food,

570
00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:40,080
Speaker 2: same thing is pointless cooking food that's not going to

571
00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:40,400
Speaker 2: be eaten.

572
00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:43,239
Speaker 1: But then this is where it comes back to, like

573
00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:45,760
Speaker 1: that idea of you've had that experience and that's what

574
00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:49,320
Speaker 1: feels you about and that's and you mentioned it like

575
00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:51,959
Speaker 1: that's the flow state of just like having that experience

576
00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:55,240
Speaker 1: where time kind of just switches off and you're just there. Yeah,

577
00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:59,560
Speaker 1: and I love that you taught me something. And I

578
00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:01,639
Speaker 1: remember I was about to do a trip to the

579
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:03,760
Speaker 1: Maldives and I was like, oh my god, I'm so scared.

580
00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:06,000
Speaker 1: I'm going to swim with whale sharks and you said

581
00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:09,480
Speaker 1: to me, don't worry. They're like the golden retrievers of

582
00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:10,120
Speaker 1: the ocean.

583
00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:14,480
Speaker 2: They are, especially whale sharks, they're so docile and.

584
00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:18,480
Speaker 1: Slow, chill, and it made the I had no fear

585
00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:20,720
Speaker 1: other than the depth. And it was really dark. I

586
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:22,800
Speaker 1: get funny in dark water. I'm like, oh, it's a

587
00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:24,159
Speaker 1: shark and pop out of me.

588
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:25,920
Speaker 2: We've all seen jawels before.

589
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:29,159
Speaker 1: It's kind of like right, but yeah, they will like

590
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:33,359
Speaker 1: golden retrievers. They were so relaxed. And I kind of

591
00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:34,560
Speaker 1: want to talk to you a bit about this, like

592
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:37,720
Speaker 1: because you're a free diver and like these nature moments

593
00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:40,080
Speaker 1: in your surfer and I live in Byron. Now I've

594
00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:42,840
Speaker 1: seen like sny dolphins on my first shark the other day,

595
00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:45,960
Speaker 1: I was so excited from an instance, so excited, and

596
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:48,280
Speaker 1: I just think I want to go bit down the

597
00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:52,760
Speaker 1: biophilly and nature path with you. And I think these

598
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:54,360
Speaker 1: are going to feel like really weird questions, but I'm

599
00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:57,000
Speaker 1: just so excited to I don't know, I just love.

600
00:27:57,119 --> 00:27:59,440
Speaker 1: Like one of my dreams in life, like one hundred

601
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:02,040
Speaker 1: percent series is I want to free dive with orcas

602
00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:02,600
Speaker 1: in Norway?

603
00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:03,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, awesome.

604
00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:08,880
Speaker 1: Are we petrified? But like the thought of they're so smart, they're.

605
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:13,120
Speaker 2: So much smarter than us, a much smarter than us, right, Like, yeah,

606
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:14,560
Speaker 2: I think a lot of animals are.

607
00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:17,560
Speaker 1: Yeah. And so my question for you is, when you've

608
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:19,280
Speaker 1: been out in nature, whether it be surfing, whether it

609
00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:22,040
Speaker 1: be free diving, have you ever had a moment like

610
00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:25,200
Speaker 1: in nature you've seen a whale or a dolphin or

611
00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:27,440
Speaker 1: a shark and be like, oh my goodness, this is amazing.

612
00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:30,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean multiple times. That's why we that's where

613
00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:30,919
Speaker 2: I go out in nature.

614
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:32,080
Speaker 1: You share one.

615
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:34,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, like, for instance, just the simplest thing

616
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:35,960
Speaker 2: of being circled by a.

617
00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:37,560
Speaker 1: School of fish.

618
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:41,160
Speaker 2: Like you know, I think nature and experiencing, whether it

619
00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:45,080
Speaker 2: just be or inspiring mountains and big trees or animals.

620
00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:47,400
Speaker 2: You know, I've been lucky enough to see orcas and beyond,

621
00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:53,920
Speaker 2: you know in someone in Seattle. Yeah, stunning. I've free

622
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:57,920
Speaker 2: dived with whales humpbacks up the coast we'll speed fishing,

623
00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:00,240
Speaker 2: and then we saw whales. So we've kind of put

624
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:01,640
Speaker 2: the bed out of the boat up in front of

625
00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:03,160
Speaker 2: them and just jumped in blue water and they just

626
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:06,040
Speaker 2: kind of swamp past. And to see something the size

627
00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:09,560
Speaker 2: of a bus side and they disappear. They to see

628
00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:11,960
Speaker 2: something that large move that quick is just like.

629
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:14,560
Speaker 1: I've heard that whales can eyeball you too, like they've

630
00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:16,120
Speaker 1: got quite human eyed Yeah.

631
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:20,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, But I think I think that those experiences and

632
00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:23,680
Speaker 2: that whole experience, maybe it's a subconscious thing that is

633
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:27,840
Speaker 2: trying to remind us that we're just animals. You know,

634
00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:32,280
Speaker 2: like you suddenly you pull off your high horse so quick,

635
00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:35,120
Speaker 2: you feel so small, Yes, you know, just as a

636
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:38,240
Speaker 2: as a species. Because obviously, we like the humans, think

637
00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:41,960
Speaker 2: they you know, be above or beyond or control nature

638
00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:44,440
Speaker 2: or whatever it might be. But you know, when you're

639
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:48,000
Speaker 2: standing on l cap or you're looking oh, you're on

640
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:50,680
Speaker 2: a one hundred meters rock climbing wall looking down, and

641
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:53,680
Speaker 2: it's just like lastness. You feel small. You realize how

642
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:56,920
Speaker 2: insignificant you are in the grand scheme of things, and

643
00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:59,200
Speaker 2: you can't get that from any other experience.

644
00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:01,360
Speaker 1: That's why I love in the ocean. Yeah, I make

645
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:03,760
Speaker 1: all my wishes in the ocean because I'm like, you're

646
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:07,440
Speaker 1: way better than me, like you and you got some

647
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:09,880
Speaker 1: power going on here, so let's just do it here.

648
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:14,080
Speaker 1: But yeah, and in the ocean you feel so you

649
00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:16,840
Speaker 1: can quickly get that feeling of like I'm a tiny

650
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:20,840
Speaker 1: little dot in this humongous thing, and it's like but

651
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:23,520
Speaker 1: also I think sometimes that experience makes me go, how

652
00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:25,640
Speaker 1: lucky am I that I'm even the fact that I'm

653
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:28,040
Speaker 1: Ali a human being that just happens to be live

654
00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:30,960
Speaker 1: in this lifetime, the chances of that.

655
00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:34,240
Speaker 2: And it's still around, that we haven't completely wronged you, Yeah,

656
00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:37,880
Speaker 2: you know, like just yeah, I mean, hopefully it's here forever,

657
00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:39,960
Speaker 2: but we need to make a conscious effort to make

658
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:40,840
Speaker 2: sure it is here forever.

659
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:44,280
Speaker 1: And I think that your messaging is very much like

660
00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:46,680
Speaker 1: nature food give back to nature.

661
00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:49,840
Speaker 2: Well, there's just no other way to get that experience. Yeah,

662
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:53,000
Speaker 2: Like it's such a powerful experience and a powerful reminder

663
00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:57,040
Speaker 2: and it becomes addictive. That's why you want to go

664
00:30:57,120 --> 00:30:57,760
Speaker 2: back for more.

665
00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:00,360
Speaker 1: My next goal is I want to kayak with them

666
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:00,920
Speaker 1: in Byron.

667
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:02,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, the dolphins.

668
00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:05,200
Speaker 1: Have you swam at Julian Rocks? You know the rocks

669
00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:08,680
Speaker 1: out from Byron. It's meant to be amazing marine life

670
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:11,960
Speaker 1: and a lot of leopard sharks, which are fine, Yeah,

671
00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:16,240
Speaker 1: keeping arms length. I had a girl on the podcast

672
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:19,320
Speaker 1: called Plastic Free Mermaid, so she's all about her, yeah,

673
00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:22,680
Speaker 1: saving the world. And I was like, oh, She's like,

674
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:25,000
Speaker 1: come snorkling with me, and I'm like, I really want to.

675
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:27,800
Speaker 1: I said just two things, dark water and sharks, like

676
00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:31,160
Speaker 1: everything else is good. I'm in. I'm in like and

677
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:34,040
Speaker 1: she's like, oh, don't worry. Sharks are obsessed with like

678
00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:36,480
Speaker 1: hunting and surprising you. So just keep an eye out

679
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:38,840
Speaker 1: for them and make sure you eyeball them and they'll

680
00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:41,400
Speaker 1: go away. And I go this honestly, mate. I was like,

681
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:43,040
Speaker 1: if I see a shark, I'm not going to be

682
00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:45,160
Speaker 1: like mate, waiting to lock eyes with a shark.

683
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:48,120
Speaker 2: Am I like, I don't believe that. I do believe

684
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:49,520
Speaker 2: that if sharks are going to get you're going to

685
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:51,560
Speaker 2: get you. Yeah, Like, I mean, look at this, we're

686
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:54,600
Speaker 2: skin bones and we're the most pathetic animals in the world.

687
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:57,239
Speaker 2: Like if a hunting animal like a line or a

688
00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:58,240
Speaker 2: tiger or shark.

689
00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:01,680
Speaker 1: One, yeah, you're gone like that, Yeah, no chance whatsoever.

690
00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:05,560
Speaker 2: I think they just they're just doing what they do. Yeah. Like,

691
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:09,000
Speaker 2: and if if we get bitten, it's an accident. It's

692
00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:09,719
Speaker 2: just that simple.

693
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:12,360
Speaker 1: Have you ever been because you surf here all the time,

694
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:14,120
Speaker 1: have you ever seen sharks on yourself?

695
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:16,360
Speaker 2: Now, I've dived and seen plenty of sharks, you know,

696
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:20,320
Speaker 2: gray nurses, bull sharks, and they've never like they're not

697
00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:21,080
Speaker 2: interested in me.

698
00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:22,200
Speaker 1: Yeah.

699
00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:26,640
Speaker 2: Like, I think there's a like the wild world of

700
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:28,360
Speaker 2: nature is that if you're a shark and you're in

701
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:31,360
Speaker 2: the ocean and you've got an option to eat what

702
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:33,520
Speaker 2: you know is food or take a bite out of

703
00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:37,000
Speaker 2: something that you don't know and potentially die, you're always

704
00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:37,640
Speaker 2: going to go for you.

705
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:39,920
Speaker 1: Like, Yeah, I like that.

706
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:42,200
Speaker 2: I don't have the option to go to hospital, yeah

707
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:44,240
Speaker 2: and go oh a bit the wrong thing.

708
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:46,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, Like I think there's a there's a.

709
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:50,120
Speaker 2: I think that's an animal instinct that you know, animals

710
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:51,280
Speaker 2: aren't stupid. No.

711
00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:54,000
Speaker 1: Even just last week I did a tour of corumb

712
00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:58,800
Speaker 1: And Wildlife Hospital and now are helping Eastern Brown and

713
00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:01,240
Speaker 1: I was like so excited snake but from a distance,

714
00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:03,240
Speaker 1: because I live in Bangalore, there's a lot of snakes.

715
00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:07,320
Speaker 1: That's kind of what it's And I keep going, are

716
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:10,000
Speaker 1: they aggressive and all that? And they're not looking for you?

717
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:11,360
Speaker 1: Like they're not. I think they will go into the

718
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:13,720
Speaker 1: world and think a shark's coming. And I think even

719
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:15,840
Speaker 1: like when I walk out every morning, I'm like, any

720
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:17,760
Speaker 1: snakes and I'm like, they're not looking for you, Lola,

721
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:18,760
Speaker 1: Like it's.

722
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:21,200
Speaker 2: No, they're not. It's just it's mistakes, right, It's just

723
00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:23,520
Speaker 2: like totally call them whoopsies.

724
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:27,000
Speaker 1: I call a whoopsie day, like if I've eaten all

725
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:27,720
Speaker 1: the wrong food.

726
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:32,560
Speaker 2: Again exactly.

727
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:36,840
Speaker 1: I saw a quote where you said I lived from

728
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:39,160
Speaker 1: the gut, not the mind. Can you explain that? And

729
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:40,960
Speaker 1: that would be with your food stuff and with I

730
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:42,040
Speaker 1: guess life in general.

731
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:44,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the mind can be tricky. It can

732
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:46,600
Speaker 2: it can lead you the wrong wrong way sometimes. Yeah,

733
00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:51,040
Speaker 2: And I think it's important to I suppose I feel

734
00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:54,080
Speaker 2: not think sometimes, And again it goes back to the

735
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:57,560
Speaker 2: whole conventional schooling of you always talked to think, think, think, think, think,

736
00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:01,200
Speaker 2: think think. You know, like one plus one too, but

737
00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:04,080
Speaker 2: you never taught to really feel in this into your gut.

738
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:08,239
Speaker 2: So that's I think, something that takes time, but I

739
00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:10,680
Speaker 2: think that's that's usually the right path. I felt.

740
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:13,359
Speaker 1: That's how if I I feel like every time I've

741
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:14,960
Speaker 1: known you, I felt you've lived from that space.

742
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:16,799
Speaker 2: Yeah. I kind of think if he makes decisions from

743
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:20,360
Speaker 2: the gut too, you never regret them. Yeah, you know,

744
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:22,080
Speaker 2: going back on the point of failure. If you make

745
00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:25,839
Speaker 2: a gut decision, there's no failing. It's like a lesson. Yeah,

746
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:27,719
Speaker 2: it's that it's come from the gut. If you come

747
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:29,480
Speaker 2: from the mind and you make a decision and something

748
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:32,200
Speaker 2: goes wrong, then you overthink it because you thought about

749
00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:35,560
Speaker 2: it so much at the beginning. It's this perpetual circle.

750
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:39,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're like a little I was saying that your

751
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:41,840
Speaker 1: kitten Nim is like a little like Yoda, But I

752
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:44,880
Speaker 1: feel like that's kind of you. It's rubbing off like

753
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:48,120
Speaker 1: you'urin Aaron's energy. I reckon, it's making them money.

754
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:49,319
Speaker 2: She's such a cute little kitten.

755
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:52,080
Speaker 1: Oh the kitten just so anyone listening, it's this tiny

756
00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:53,960
Speaker 1: weeny thirteen week old.

757
00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:58,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, delicious thing. She's so cute, little little tuxedo kitten,

758
00:34:58,040 --> 00:34:59,560
Speaker 2: white and the belly and gray on the top.

759
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:02,719
Speaker 1: Okay, another question I've got to ask you about because

760
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:05,560
Speaker 1: I was like, I didn't miss this because I don't

761
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 1: want like I saw it on your Socials, but I

762
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:10,000
Speaker 1: didn't see it on the TV show MKR.

763
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:13,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, tell me about it. Yeah, they asked me to.

764
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:16,600
Speaker 2: I did two episodes last year guest judging.

765
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:17,399
Speaker 1: It was fun.

766
00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:18,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was awesome. Yeah.

767
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:21,719
Speaker 1: Question does food go cold? Because the way they do

768
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:24,600
Speaker 1: the show, it seems like they bring meal out after.

769
00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:27,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, the grand finale, the food was warm. Was good. Yeah,

770
00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:30,000
Speaker 2: I mean but obviously, like you know, there's the lips

771
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:31,959
Speaker 2: and glamor, and it's obviously not straight off the store. Yeah,

772
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:33,240
Speaker 2: but it's edible.

773
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:35,000
Speaker 1: I've just heard that from my mass shaps and stuff,

774
00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:37,000
Speaker 1: like you're having stuff that's probably been made a few

775
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:37,640
Speaker 1: hours before.

776
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:39,719
Speaker 2: Oh I wasn't made that long ago. Like it was.

777
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:42,319
Speaker 2: It was warm. Yeah, it was edible, thank god, thank god.

778
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:43,439
Speaker 1: It was that fun.

779
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:45,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was cool. It was really cool. It was

780
00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:48,280
Speaker 2: it was It was interesting to see such a large

781
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:52,080
Speaker 2: scale production. You know, like say like our TV show,

782
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:56,280
Speaker 2: The Summer Cooking Show, we had two cameras and we

783
00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:58,640
Speaker 2: walked around and did our thing. I mean they had

784
00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:02,000
Speaker 2: like a camera for every stations, so eight cameras rolling around,

785
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:05,359
Speaker 2: plus whoever was catching b roll. Plus it was out

786
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:07,680
Speaker 2: of control, whole different beast and a lot.

787
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:09,319
Speaker 1: Of shooting time for a small amount of TV.

788
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:12,400
Speaker 2: Definitely. Yeah. Yeah, but again back to that point, like

789
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:16,160
Speaker 2: you know, you look at you know, these judges and

790
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:19,480
Speaker 2: chefs and just the whole reality world and the success

791
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:23,080
Speaker 2: of those people. It's hard work, but also they're just humans. Yeah,

792
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:29,680
Speaker 2: jump on, and you know they're they're witty, smart, funny humans.

793
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:34,480
Speaker 2: And the reason they're successful as judges and face fronting

794
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:38,319
Speaker 2: camera people is because the characters like, they're good people

795
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:41,480
Speaker 2: and they're being themselves. Yeah, you know, and you realize

796
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:43,560
Speaker 2: that when you get in and start doing that world.

797
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:43,919
Speaker 1: Right.

798
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:47,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like Maneu for instance.

799
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:50,680
Speaker 1: Such, Yeah, I've toured with him. It's still all the

800
00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:54,319
Speaker 1: good food shows in Australia, and whenever we're in the

801
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:56,120
Speaker 1: cab together, I was like here we go here we go.

802
00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:59,360
Speaker 1: You got your laugh, but like they're all the same.

803
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:06,279
Speaker 1: Thatang Yeah, question though, how did you go giving feedback

804
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:07,880
Speaker 1: that wasn't necessarily nice?

805
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:11,440
Speaker 2: Like that was that was kind of chef mode, I suppose,

806
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:16,680
Speaker 2: like in the commercial kitchen arena. That's a part of it.

807
00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:20,520
Speaker 2: But also it's it's realizing that not like just because

808
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:23,000
Speaker 2: feedback is not positive, it doesn't mean it's bad. It's

809
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:26,799
Speaker 2: more construct its negative. Yeah, it also doesn't mean you

810
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:27,959
Speaker 2: have to be an asshole about it.

811
00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:29,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, totally.

812
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:33,640
Speaker 2: And I think that's that's in say that the restauranting world.

813
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:36,719
Speaker 2: That's the way that I lead, Like I'm happy to

814
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:40,480
Speaker 2: say how that's not quite right, but only because I

815
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:42,239
Speaker 2: know that there will be a positive result at the

816
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:45,279
Speaker 2: end of it, right, Like why say it just to

817
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:48,319
Speaker 2: say it? Why tell someone that because they're wrong? It

818
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:50,920
Speaker 2: doesn't unless you're to educate them to be better.

819
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:53,600
Speaker 1: But this is the thing where I feel like you're

820
00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:58,240
Speaker 1: you've really kind of like turned the stereotype of a

821
00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:01,399
Speaker 1: successful chef on it head. Now take away like TV

822
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:03,960
Speaker 1: chefs and stuff, because we've talked about that's quirky characters.

823
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 1: They've got a vibe, you know, the entertainers, but like

824
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:10,600
Speaker 1: chef world, which is where your roots are, you've worked

825
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:15,400
Speaker 1: at high end places, Like, there can be ego in

826
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:17,680
Speaker 1: that world, and it can be very cutthroat and it

827
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:21,040
Speaker 1: can be I reckon a bit cruel. Like you've seen

828
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:25,200
Speaker 1: shows and I learned just over the years. I dated

829
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:27,239
Speaker 1: a chef many years ago and I was like, oh

830
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:28,920
Speaker 1: my god, everything was yes chef, and it.

831
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:30,320
Speaker 2: Been really quite.

832
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:35,520
Speaker 1: There was a very clear hierarchy and it felt really

833
00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:38,400
Speaker 1: full on. And I feel like you're not that, Like you're.

834
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:40,200
Speaker 2: I think there's a better way to do it. I

835
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:44,360
Speaker 2: mean they say, an executive chef, your role is the

836
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:47,080
Speaker 2: food and everything else and you're under stress, but your

837
00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:50,279
Speaker 2: real role is to get the most out of people. Yeah,

838
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:53,440
Speaker 2: and if you're not doing that, you're not doing your job. Yeah.

839
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:55,600
Speaker 2: Like if you have to be an asshole to get

840
00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:57,760
Speaker 2: someone to do something and they end up quitting or crying,

841
00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:01,920
Speaker 2: I mean that's kind of but that's.

842
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:04,560
Speaker 1: The common thing with a lot of big You hear

843
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:07,760
Speaker 1: those stories, Yeah, those chefs like the long how.

844
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:09,680
Speaker 2: Well it's all ego. I mean, like the hours are there,

845
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:12,560
Speaker 2: like work's meant to be work, it's meant to be hard. Yeah,

846
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:15,279
Speaker 2: you know, and I think I've learned, you know, like

847
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:17,919
Speaker 2: when I was at Est doing my apprenticeship, like Peter

848
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:21,000
Speaker 2: Doyle head chef, there was amazing like he was he was,

849
00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:24,600
Speaker 2: you know, definitely the top of the game and the boss,

850
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:28,279
Speaker 2: but he would also pick herbs and solve problems and

851
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:31,960
Speaker 2: talk to apprentices and there wasn't there wasn't that that

852
00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:35,160
Speaker 2: vibe and you could see that there was a better response.

853
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:38,239
Speaker 1: And I've been to Depot quite a few times, and

854
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:41,040
Speaker 1: I've been to book launches and stuff there and it

855
00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:43,719
Speaker 1: always felt like such a team when I've been there

856
00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:46,600
Speaker 1: as a guest kind of thing, And I think that's

857
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:48,319
Speaker 1: testament to you and your whole vibe.

858
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:50,399
Speaker 2: And it also comes from a selfish place, like there's

859
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:54,640
Speaker 2: nothing there's nothing that makes you more proud than teaching

860
00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:57,560
Speaker 2: an apprentice or teaching someone, you know, if they've made

861
00:39:57,600 --> 00:39:59,279
Speaker 2: a mistake, showing them how to do it properly and

862
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:03,160
Speaker 2: then seeing them do it themselves and take that beyond

863
00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:05,040
Speaker 2: what you could of you know, you feel a sense

864
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:07,480
Speaker 2: of pride. You can't you can't get that pride by

865
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:08,160
Speaker 2: being an asshole.

866
00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:12,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, there'd be something a magic about watching someone

867
00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:14,919
Speaker 1: grow in front of you. Yeah, and like I think

868
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:17,680
Speaker 1: you hit now on the head. I imagine as an

869
00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:21,200
Speaker 1: executive chef, the role is probably to be a problem solver. Yeah,

870
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:23,480
Speaker 1: Like shit's going to go on all the time. You're

871
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:25,399
Speaker 1: kind of putting out fires in.

872
00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:28,000
Speaker 2: But that's the role, right. You can't complain about the

873
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:31,160
Speaker 2: role because that's that's good part of your job, Like

874
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:34,399
Speaker 2: you know, that's just how it is. Otherwise find another job,

875
00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:38,000
Speaker 2: like totally. Yeah. I mean you have to thrive off

876
00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:41,200
Speaker 2: the the adrenaline putting out fires and then you know,

877
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:45,280
Speaker 2: solve the problems. And ultimately, if you don't give your

878
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:48,919
Speaker 2: staff and employees and friends the time to teach them,

879
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:53,359
Speaker 2: then you're constantly putting out their fires because you haven't

880
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:56,319
Speaker 2: thought them what you want. Yeah, it's up to you

881
00:40:56,400 --> 00:41:00,880
Speaker 2: to show someone and feel the fire for them to

882
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:03,480
Speaker 2: do it properly. Like, if you've got a kitchen full

883
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:06,040
Speaker 2: of people that can't do the job, that's kind of

884
00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:06,479
Speaker 2: your fault.

885
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:08,120
Speaker 1: I said it before, I'm going to say it again.

886
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:08,839
Speaker 1: You're like a little year.

887
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:11,640
Speaker 2: I'm sure there's a lot of people like riding in

888
00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:12,160
Speaker 2: going is.

889
00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:12,839
Speaker 1: That's not true?

890
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:14,840
Speaker 2: Is true?

891
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:18,200
Speaker 1: No, you're going to get the love, I'm sure Okay,

892
00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:19,680
Speaker 1: I've got to stick to that. You we're running out

893
00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:20,400
Speaker 1: of time and I can't.

894
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:21,520
Speaker 2: Let the fastest goes.

895
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:24,120
Speaker 1: If one place you haven't traveled too yet that's on

896
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:26,560
Speaker 1: your bucket list, just one day, you're like, I gotta go.

897
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:27,400
Speaker 1: I know you've traveled.

898
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:31,640
Speaker 2: I would like to do either Antarctica or Canada.

899
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:36,160
Speaker 1: Well, Antarctica and Canada. You're going to get more awka whales,

900
00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:38,600
Speaker 1: my friend. Yeah, you know you can kayak in Canada

901
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:39,799
Speaker 1: with orcus also, but.

902
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:41,280
Speaker 2: I always want to go to Canada. It just seems

903
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:45,319
Speaker 2: to be such an awesome outdoorsy place. Big mountain, do snowboard,

904
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:48,799
Speaker 2: I do snowboard. I think this year I'd like to

905
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:51,960
Speaker 2: get into cross country skiing and do like a bit

906
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:54,319
Speaker 2: of an expedition up and over Cosiosco on the snow

907
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:55,240
Speaker 2: and beyond.

908
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:57,680
Speaker 1: So as you do, I love it. That's just running

909
00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:00,120
Speaker 1: your planets the amazing.

910
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:01,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll see how we go.

911
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:06,720
Speaker 1: And fave meal. You've always had a million gazooion experiences.

912
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:08,360
Speaker 1: I know it's going to be something like I was

913
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:10,719
Speaker 1: eating on a cliff with my girl or something, But like.

914
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:15,040
Speaker 2: I think most memorable meal would have to be was

915
00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:17,120
Speaker 2: it a little while ago. Now, we did a spear

916
00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:19,560
Speaker 2: fishing trip to Bali. Yeah, and we had a boat

917
00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:22,480
Speaker 2: and we took the boat out of the islands. We

918
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:25,040
Speaker 2: caught was caught a rainbow runner. We pulled the boat

919
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:28,040
Speaker 2: up onto an island and cooked this whole fish over

920
00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:30,319
Speaker 2: like a coconut husk fire and like just ended up

921
00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:32,279
Speaker 2: eating it with our hands with a whole bunch of

922
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:34,840
Speaker 2: locals under it. That was pretty cool. Yeah, goodness.

923
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:37,239
Speaker 1: And when you say spearfishing, you literally mean you dive

924
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:39,719
Speaker 1: in the water. You're doing your free dive and in

925
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:41,680
Speaker 1: your sphere. Yeah, you like have a little spear.

926
00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:43,839
Speaker 2: The most sustainable kind of fishing you could.

927
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:46,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I've got a friend that does it around here.

928
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:47,720
Speaker 1: You can do it in Sydney.

929
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:52,120
Speaker 2: No progress problems. Yeah, there's lots out there, kingfish, bonito, lobsters, abloney,

930
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:54,360
Speaker 2: it's all there. Yeah you bad.

931
00:42:54,520 --> 00:42:58,759
Speaker 1: I've seen photosy with lobsters. That thing amazing. There was

932
00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:00,719
Speaker 1: one other question. It's just got and I came back.

933
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:04,879
Speaker 1: It came back, don't worry, So what is next. I'm

934
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:07,399
Speaker 1: always so inspired when I see you, just because you've

935
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:10,200
Speaker 1: got this like I feel like you've got this calm energy,

936
00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:12,920
Speaker 1: but you're such a doer as well, so you're just like, I.

937
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:15,600
Speaker 2: Mean, I just give it a go. I don't know. Yeah,

938
00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:18,080
Speaker 2: I'm going to do it to do it one hundred percent. Yeah,

939
00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:21,720
Speaker 2: what's next. We have a new cafe that is opening,

940
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:24,560
Speaker 2: so a depot that was started by myself and the

941
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:28,680
Speaker 2: family fifteen years ago. We recently got removed from a lease.

942
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:31,240
Speaker 2: It was an issue there, which is fine. We're moving

943
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:34,759
Speaker 2: down the road to a bigger and better corner with

944
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:35,520
Speaker 2: a larger lease.

945
00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:38,160
Speaker 1: Can I say where it is? Absolutely so for Sydney

946
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:41,160
Speaker 1: siders where the Camilla played a big Camilla plays well,

947
00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:42,720
Speaker 1: So you're opposite the raw Sushi place.

948
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:47,160
Speaker 2: Across from Rawba and across from the barrel Bondai primary score.

949
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:50,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, where the markets are miss living in Bondi. Now

950
00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:51,040
Speaker 1: you make me miss it.

951
00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:53,040
Speaker 2: Well, we're going to do seven days a week, five

952
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:56,040
Speaker 2: nights a week. And then we've got a friend who is,

953
00:43:56,239 --> 00:44:00,000
Speaker 2: in my opinion, one of the best bakers in Sydney.

954
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:02,680
Speaker 2: He's going to do an entire bakery in the top corner,

955
00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:05,360
Speaker 2: so fresh bread and croiss once every single morning. So

956
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:08,200
Speaker 2: like yeah, and then it's gonna be awesome. And the

957
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:11,120
Speaker 2: view looks over the beach. It's just like a dream location.

958
00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:13,799
Speaker 1: And when's that opening because this will probably come out

959
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:14,560
Speaker 1: the right kind of time.

960
00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:17,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean we will be in there, we've got

961
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:20,200
Speaker 2: the keys, but we will be renovating this month, so February,

962
00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:24,520
Speaker 2: and then we'll be opening March. Perfect and time renovating.

963
00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:28,920
Speaker 2: Two brothers, myself, probably my sister as well. Pretty pretty

964
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:29,719
Speaker 2: handy bunch.

965
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:33,799
Speaker 1: So good. And do you see, like obviously as the

966
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:36,200
Speaker 1: world opens up again, back to America, back to Italy

967
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:38,920
Speaker 1: to and I saw on your website you want to

968
00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:40,880
Speaker 1: open in the UK, you'd like to open more sites

969
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:43,080
Speaker 1: in America. That dreams still totally.

970
00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:46,279
Speaker 2: That dream's definitely still happening. It's just waiting on the

971
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:48,680
Speaker 2: world to settle again. Yeah, And I mean, look, there's

972
00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:50,480
Speaker 2: a there's a silver lining to it all, and I

973
00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:52,040
Speaker 2: think there'll be a lot of opportunity at the other

974
00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:55,839
Speaker 2: end of COVID. Yeah, I think that. You know, once

975
00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:58,799
Speaker 2: it all settles down, I'll ultimately be spending half my

976
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:00,520
Speaker 2: time here and half my time back in the US.

977
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:05,840
Speaker 2: You're me both, Yeah, just like housewap, like you're saying before.

978
00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:08,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I've been watching I watch a really cool

979
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:09,880
Speaker 1: thing where you kind of gave a guide of your

980
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:12,160
Speaker 1: favorite eats in LA and I was like writing down.

981
00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:14,800
Speaker 1: I was like this, this burger place sounds amazing.

982
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:15,680
Speaker 2: That's pretty cool.

983
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:20,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah yeah. And then you went to e p LP,

984
00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:21,680
Speaker 1: which is one of my favorite places to go for

985
00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:25,520
Speaker 1: a dreams really good. Another Ossie owner Elephant is amazing

986
00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:29,279
Speaker 1: as well. You had, Yeah, your little list, I'll send

987
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:35,200
Speaker 1: you another list. Stated guy, it is such an honor

988
00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:37,520
Speaker 1: to have you on this podcast. We've been we nearly

989
00:45:37,560 --> 00:45:40,000
Speaker 1: had our own one together. At one stage, we're talking

990
00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:43,480
Speaker 1: about it. We talked about a TV show together. It'll happen.

991
00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:46,320
Speaker 2: It'll got no doubt and it will happen. Wow.

992
00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:50,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, watch this face and thank you, my friend. Total honor.

993
00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:50,960
Speaker 2: Thank you beautiful.

994
00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:58,360
Speaker 1: That's a wrap on another episode of Fearlessly Failing. As always,

995
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:01,839
Speaker 1: thank you to our guests, and let's continue the conversation

996
00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:07,799
Speaker 1: on Instagram. I'm at Yamo Lollaberry. This potty my word

997
00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:12,560
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998
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:15,640
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999
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Speaker 1: course spread the love.