1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:02,559 Speaker 1: And we do know that Parliament resumes in the Northern 2 00:00:02,640 --> 00:00:05,360 Speaker 1: Territory today for the first time for twenty twenty two. 3 00:00:05,800 --> 00:00:09,000 Speaker 1: Joining me on the line is the Opposition whip, the 4 00:00:09,039 --> 00:00:13,320 Speaker 1: Member for Braitling and also the Opposition spokesperson for Territory Families. 5 00:00:13,360 --> 00:00:14,880 Speaker 2: Good morning to you, Josh Burgoyne. 6 00:00:15,760 --> 00:00:17,680 Speaker 3: Good morning Katie, Good morning to your listeners. 7 00:00:17,720 --> 00:00:19,800 Speaker 2: Now, Josh, I know it's not your portfolio. 8 00:00:19,960 --> 00:00:21,760 Speaker 1: It is a statement which has been sent out by 9 00:00:21,760 --> 00:00:25,239 Speaker 1: the Shadow Minister for Health, Bill Yan. But he reckons 10 00:00:25,239 --> 00:00:28,720 Speaker 1: the Labor gun gover. Let me start back again. He 11 00:00:28,800 --> 00:00:33,080 Speaker 1: reckons the Gunner government has serious questions to answer over 12 00:00:33,120 --> 00:00:36,479 Speaker 1: white spending one hundred and thirty million dollars, which is 13 00:00:36,479 --> 00:00:39,199 Speaker 1: more than ten percent of the Northern Territory's hospital budget 14 00:00:39,479 --> 00:00:42,839 Speaker 1: on rapid antigen tests. I'm not sure if you just 15 00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:45,600 Speaker 1: heard the Health Minister on the show, but she reckons 16 00:00:45,640 --> 00:00:49,640 Speaker 1: you guys couldn't organize things when it comes to COVID. 17 00:00:49,720 --> 00:00:51,320 Speaker 2: I mean, does that really cut the mustard. 18 00:00:52,360 --> 00:00:54,240 Speaker 3: It doesn't cut the musty, Katie. And you hit the 19 00:00:54,320 --> 00:00:56,000 Speaker 3: nail on the head before when you said put the 20 00:00:56,040 --> 00:00:58,560 Speaker 3: money into hospitals. That's where it's needed. Me to be 21 00:00:58,600 --> 00:01:01,840 Speaker 3: supporting our nurses and ours spending one hundred and thirty 22 00:01:01,840 --> 00:01:04,160 Speaker 3: million dollars on rat test that could be superseded in 23 00:01:04,160 --> 00:01:05,920 Speaker 3: a couple of months. You know, we just have no 24 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:08,720 Speaker 3: idea what's going to unfold into the future. And let's 25 00:01:08,720 --> 00:01:11,160 Speaker 3: invest that money where it's needed, into the hospitals. This 26 00:01:11,240 --> 00:01:13,840 Speaker 3: is ten percent of the hospital budget. I'm sure if 27 00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:16,039 Speaker 3: you went and spoke to some of the people in 28 00:01:16,120 --> 00:01:18,440 Speaker 3: health they'd so they'd love a one hundred and thirty 29 00:01:18,440 --> 00:01:21,120 Speaker 3: million dollars spend in the hospitals to help them out. 30 00:01:21,480 --> 00:01:23,640 Speaker 2: It seems like an awful lot of money. 31 00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:27,360 Speaker 1: And obviously the minister's saying that you know that they 32 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:30,000 Speaker 1: put that tender out for the maximum amount, it doesn't 33 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:31,960 Speaker 1: mean that that's going to be the amount that gets 34 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:35,160 Speaker 1: spent on these rat tests. But you know, like I get, 35 00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:37,680 Speaker 1: we've got to order things in advance, but it just 36 00:01:37,720 --> 00:01:39,200 Speaker 1: seems quite astonishing to me. 37 00:01:40,840 --> 00:01:43,120 Speaker 3: It certainly is. It is astonishing Cadia one hundred and 38 00:01:43,160 --> 00:01:45,800 Speaker 3: thirty million dollars and as we said before, this money 39 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:48,280 Speaker 3: should be put into hospitals, that's where it's needed. And 40 00:01:48,320 --> 00:01:51,120 Speaker 3: I think they're goun the government really, they've they've bungled 41 00:01:51,360 --> 00:01:53,800 Speaker 3: the remote vaccine roll out in a lot of ways. 42 00:01:53,800 --> 00:01:56,400 Speaker 3: We've been talking about that a lot. We need to 43 00:01:56,600 --> 00:01:59,320 Speaker 3: really look after those most vulnerable in our remote communities. 44 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:02,520 Speaker 3: Spending one hundred and thirty million dollars on rats and 45 00:02:02,560 --> 00:02:05,000 Speaker 3: god knows you know exactly how much of that they're 46 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:06,840 Speaker 3: going to spend or if they're going to spend more. So, yeah, 47 00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:09,080 Speaker 3: it really is put the money where it's needed, put 48 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:10,359 Speaker 3: it into the hospital. Yeah. 49 00:02:10,400 --> 00:02:13,079 Speaker 1: Look, I'll be very honest about it. When that pressure 50 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:15,280 Speaker 1: release came out from you guys, I thought, I don't 51 00:02:15,320 --> 00:02:17,480 Speaker 1: know if I actually believe this, So I went on 52 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:22,280 Speaker 1: the tender's website myself and found it, and yeah, I 53 00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:25,280 Speaker 1: was utterly surprised to see that it was that it 54 00:02:25,360 --> 00:02:27,639 Speaker 1: was on there and for that amount of money. 55 00:02:28,320 --> 00:02:29,480 Speaker 2: So no doubt there's going to. 56 00:02:29,400 --> 00:02:32,040 Speaker 1: Be some serious questions about this throughout the day and 57 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:35,280 Speaker 1: why we're in a situation where there is that much 58 00:02:35,320 --> 00:02:38,080 Speaker 1: money being spent on these rat tests when we don't 59 00:02:38,120 --> 00:02:40,120 Speaker 1: know really how the next twelve months is going to 60 00:02:40,160 --> 00:02:40,680 Speaker 1: pan out. 61 00:02:42,720 --> 00:02:45,040 Speaker 3: That's exactly right, And we were in the same boat. 62 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:46,960 Speaker 3: We thought this was the type one when we first 63 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:49,680 Speaker 3: saw it, but after speaking with the help minister before 64 00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:51,760 Speaker 3: you you've put the question to us, she's confirmed it. 65 00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:53,520 Speaker 3: Up to one hundred and thirty million dollars it's going 66 00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:55,760 Speaker 3: to have spent. It'll be really interesting to see exactly 67 00:02:55,840 --> 00:02:58,920 Speaker 3: how much one hundred and thirty million they do spend. 68 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:00,480 Speaker 2: Gosh. 69 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:03,440 Speaker 1: Obviously, we know that Parliament resumes today. Before I get 70 00:03:03,480 --> 00:03:06,720 Speaker 1: to that, though, In news which is emerging this morning, 71 00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:11,720 Speaker 1: the Anti Independent is reporting that the president of Territory 72 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:15,480 Speaker 1: Labour's youth wing has resigned from his job in federal 73 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:19,720 Speaker 1: MP Luke Gosling's office after a social media video surfaced 74 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:23,960 Speaker 1: showing him allegedly snorting a white substance. Now, we have 75 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:27,400 Speaker 1: had confirmation from Luke Gosling's office, from a spokesperson in 76 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:30,960 Speaker 1: that office, that he has resigned. 77 00:03:32,040 --> 00:03:34,280 Speaker 2: Josh, what's your reaction? Have you seen this video? 78 00:03:35,640 --> 00:03:38,000 Speaker 3: Now? I actually went online this morning, Kadiu and viewed 79 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:41,040 Speaker 3: at what this points to is a cocaine culture within 80 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:43,800 Speaker 3: the Labor Party. It started with fifth floor staffers losing 81 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:46,960 Speaker 3: their jobs over the alleged cocaine sex scandal, and now 82 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:50,560 Speaker 3: we have more alleged behavior within the Labor Party that 83 00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:54,200 Speaker 3: points to a toxic culture that's occurring there. And really 84 00:03:54,600 --> 00:03:56,920 Speaker 3: we need a stronger response from the Health ministota. But no, 85 00:03:57,040 --> 00:03:59,760 Speaker 3: that's happening in someone else's office. 86 00:04:00,320 --> 00:04:03,120 Speaker 1: I I teem to agree with you. I think it's 87 00:04:03,160 --> 00:04:07,560 Speaker 1: quite unbelievable that there's a situation where this person has obviously, 88 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:11,200 Speaker 1: you know where there's a video of this person allegedly 89 00:04:11,360 --> 00:04:14,880 Speaker 1: with a white substance. The other part of me goes, well, 90 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:19,400 Speaker 1: it was shot allegedly before he started work within Luke 91 00:04:19,440 --> 00:04:23,800 Speaker 1: Gosling's office. Is this just a young person who's behaving 92 00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:24,440 Speaker 1: like a goose? 93 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:28,960 Speaker 3: Oh? Look, this is a taxpayer position. There's a reason 94 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:31,560 Speaker 3: why you step down from that role. I mean, this 95 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:34,360 Speaker 3: points to a culture within the labor party. But this 96 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:38,480 Speaker 3: sort of behavior is okay. It is not okay. As 97 00:04:38,520 --> 00:04:40,599 Speaker 3: the healthy mister point out that this is a legal 98 00:04:40,640 --> 00:04:44,320 Speaker 3: behavior and that cocaine culture within the labor party, really 99 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:47,680 Speaker 3: we see glimpses of it exactly how much of this 100 00:04:47,839 --> 00:04:50,240 Speaker 3: is going in within the Labor party. And really that's 101 00:04:50,279 --> 00:04:53,200 Speaker 3: what this points to a bigger issue, a toxic culture 102 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:56,320 Speaker 3: within the Labor party, the cocaine, this sort of you know, 103 00:04:57,279 --> 00:05:01,120 Speaker 3: it's just not all right for a taxpayer pundered role, 104 00:05:01,520 --> 00:05:05,000 Speaker 3: a young person using legal substances. And now as a 105 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:08,120 Speaker 3: result of this video coming out, they've stepped away or 106 00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:08,880 Speaker 3: lost their job. 107 00:05:09,880 --> 00:05:12,240 Speaker 1: Josh, I've no doubt this will be something that the 108 00:05:12,279 --> 00:05:16,920 Speaker 1: opposition's going to be asking about in Parliament today, certainly be. 109 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:19,960 Speaker 3: Putting questions Togethernment about how much they knew in regards 110 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:22,159 Speaker 3: to this. It's simply not good enough that they can 111 00:05:22,440 --> 00:05:25,680 Speaker 3: continue to say the Chief Minister ordered a report into 112 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:28,279 Speaker 3: his own office over things that were happening up on 113 00:05:28,279 --> 00:05:30,120 Speaker 3: the fifth floor, and suppose we put that report in 114 00:05:30,200 --> 00:05:32,239 Speaker 3: a bin. Well, I think it's about time he pulled 115 00:05:32,240 --> 00:05:34,400 Speaker 3: that report out of the bin, actually looked at the 116 00:05:34,400 --> 00:05:37,560 Speaker 3: recommendations and acted on it, because I'm sure that within 117 00:05:37,640 --> 00:05:40,720 Speaker 3: that report it would point to this sort of toxic 118 00:05:40,760 --> 00:05:44,080 Speaker 3: culture that's obviously rough within the Labor Party. 119 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:47,479 Speaker 1: Now, Josh, the Territory Labor government say that today in 120 00:05:47,520 --> 00:05:50,000 Speaker 1: Parliament they're going to be building on their proud track 121 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:54,120 Speaker 1: record of managing COVID and keeping the economy strong. With 122 00:05:54,200 --> 00:05:57,440 Speaker 1: the first parliamentary sittings of the year set to begin, 123 00:05:57,920 --> 00:05:59,920 Speaker 1: what's the Coop going to be focusing on. 124 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:03,760 Speaker 3: Yes, certainly, Look, Katie, we will be focusing on what 125 00:06:03,880 --> 00:06:07,440 Speaker 3: territories care about. Most. Crime is still a huge issue 126 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:10,560 Speaker 3: right across the Northern Territory. That is something that across 127 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:13,560 Speaker 3: these this week of settings we will be touching on. 128 00:06:13,640 --> 00:06:16,280 Speaker 3: We will be making sure that the rights of victims 129 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:19,000 Speaker 3: is put above the rights of offenders. It's so important 130 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:21,480 Speaker 3: in all of this. Too often I am getting people 131 00:06:21,839 --> 00:06:25,680 Speaker 3: emailing into my office. If they're thirty gidea residents of 132 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:28,039 Speaker 3: the Northern Territory, they've never been affected by crime, but 133 00:06:28,120 --> 00:06:31,040 Speaker 3: in the last period they have and these people write 134 00:06:31,040 --> 00:06:33,080 Speaker 3: to me and they want to make sure that their 135 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:36,400 Speaker 3: experiences are put forward in Parliament so that the government 136 00:06:36,480 --> 00:06:39,400 Speaker 3: understands exactly how this is affecting people right across the 137 00:06:39,440 --> 00:06:40,240 Speaker 3: Northern Territory. 138 00:06:40,440 --> 00:06:42,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's been a really tough you know, like it's 139 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:44,800 Speaker 1: actually been a tough few years for the people of 140 00:06:44,839 --> 00:06:48,679 Speaker 1: Alice Springs and it does seem to have really reached 141 00:06:48,680 --> 00:06:51,640 Speaker 1: this high point for all the wrong reasons over the 142 00:06:51,720 --> 00:06:54,840 Speaker 1: last couple of months. Josh, I know that, as you've 143 00:06:54,839 --> 00:06:56,919 Speaker 1: pointed out, it's not just in your electorate, but it 144 00:06:57,000 --> 00:07:01,040 Speaker 1: is across the board. The Chief Minister I had reportedly 145 00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:04,640 Speaker 1: reconfirmed earlier in the week his commitment to raising the 146 00:07:04,680 --> 00:07:07,479 Speaker 1: age of criminal responsibility. I asked him about this on 147 00:07:07,520 --> 00:07:11,000 Speaker 1: the show yesterday. He said that, yes, they are going 148 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:13,400 Speaker 1: to raise the age of criminal responsibility, but they're not 149 00:07:13,520 --> 00:07:16,960 Speaker 1: going to do that until there are other programs and 150 00:07:17,040 --> 00:07:20,000 Speaker 1: other things in place. Do you think that age of 151 00:07:20,040 --> 00:07:21,960 Speaker 1: criminal responsibility should be raised. 152 00:07:23,040 --> 00:07:25,360 Speaker 3: It shouldn't be, Katie. You know, the CLP have been 153 00:07:25,440 --> 00:07:28,560 Speaker 3: very strong on this. What we need to see is 154 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:31,120 Speaker 3: that when a young person ends up on the wrong 155 00:07:31,160 --> 00:07:33,920 Speaker 3: side of the law, the police are able to intervene 156 00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:36,720 Speaker 3: in that young person's life, and they are able there's 157 00:07:36,760 --> 00:07:40,120 Speaker 3: a circuit breaker brought in and more programs. I agree 158 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:42,440 Speaker 3: with that, but what this will mean if they raise 159 00:07:42,440 --> 00:07:44,880 Speaker 3: the criminal age of responsibility is it will mean more 160 00:07:44,960 --> 00:07:47,400 Speaker 3: catch and release. It will mean more young people will 161 00:07:47,400 --> 00:07:51,520 Speaker 3: get out when they've done, in some instances, heinous crimes. 162 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:54,720 Speaker 3: What we want to see is engaging with these young people, 163 00:07:55,040 --> 00:07:58,880 Speaker 3: making sure that and in a lot of cases, if 164 00:07:58,880 --> 00:08:01,680 Speaker 3: that young person's know what they were doing was wrong, 165 00:08:01,920 --> 00:08:03,680 Speaker 3: they should not have been out in the street late 166 00:08:03,720 --> 00:08:06,600 Speaker 3: at night offending. So at the end of the day, 167 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:09,160 Speaker 3: raising the criminal age of responsibility might make some people 168 00:08:09,200 --> 00:08:11,040 Speaker 3: feel a bit good on the inside, but it won't 169 00:08:11,080 --> 00:08:12,920 Speaker 3: actually deal with any of the issues that we face 170 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:14,280 Speaker 3: here in the Northern Territory. 171 00:08:14,240 --> 00:08:18,360 Speaker 1: Well Josh Burgoyne, the Shadow Minister for Territory Families, also 172 00:08:18,480 --> 00:08:21,680 Speaker 1: the Opposition whip. We always appreciate your time, mate, Thanks 173 00:08:21,760 --> 00:08:23,200 Speaker 1: very much for having a chat this morning.