Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the
Speaker 1: hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm
Speaker 1: Sophie Torba and coming up on today's show, Ash Bines
Speaker 1: relaunches her podcast as her former bestie spills the Tea
Speaker 1: Party and Spencer Pratt's careers Rise from the Ashes and
Speaker 1: Abby Chatfield's shock name Revelation. But first, Matt Sakowski has
Speaker 1: dropped some juicy details about his honeymoon with Tammy Hembro
Speaker 1: in Lapland. After wowing their followers with stunning vision of
Speaker 1: the northern lights on their tiktoks back in December, Matt
Speaker 1: took things a step further on his podcast by revealing
Speaker 1: what actually happened during their once in a lifetime experience, Ky,
Speaker 1: can you tell us more? It was definitely a case
Speaker 1: of TMI, so Matt revealed that he and Tammy had
Speaker 1: sex under the northern lights. So on the first night
Speaker 1: of their honeymoon, after traveling for over twenty four hours,
Speaker 1: the couple got a wake up call from their tour
Speaker 1: company at around ten pm letting them know that the
Speaker 1: northern lights were visible, so they quickly got dressed and
Speaker 1: they followed the lights around, and they stopped to take
Speaker 1: photos in the middle of a frozen lake and other
Speaker 1: scenic spots. And it's quite funny because Matt said that
Speaker 1: Tammy started punching the lake to make sure that.
Speaker 2: It was frozen, and it really freaked him out.
Speaker 1: Anyway, So the couple ended up returning back to their
Speaker 1: hotel in the early hours of the morning, where Matt
Speaker 1: says they ticked something off their bucket list.
Speaker 2: Let's throw to what he said.
Speaker 3: We came back to the resort and we went into
Speaker 3: the spa at like two thirty am, and we literally
Speaker 3: watched the like the northern lights dancing above us. Yeah,
Speaker 3: made love under the northern lights spa. That's a bucket
Speaker 3: list from there to honeymoon. You're pray, So that's a
Speaker 3: bucket list thing.
Speaker 2: Only making love part we want to hear about.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so under the northern lights, that's a cool thing.
Speaker 1: To do, and that's pretty That's a pretty good way
Speaker 1: to consummate the marriage.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was cute. Yeah, it was nice.
Speaker 1: I feel like Anna said what we were all thinking
Speaker 1: that it was a bit too much information. I think
Speaker 1: Matt thought that it was okay because it was his honeymoon,
Speaker 1: and that's what's expected on a honeymoon. I wonder how
Speaker 1: Tammy feels about him sharing that personal story.
Speaker 2: Has it made the Daily Mail yet? That's what I
Speaker 2: want to know. I don't think anyone really.
Speaker 1: Listens to his podcast except us.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 1: Another thing that surprised me about their honeymoon was just
Speaker 1: how little daylight there was in Lapland. So apparently the
Speaker 1: sun rose at around ten am each day and set
Speaker 1: by two pm, so by three pm it was pitch black.
Speaker 1: I know, we were questioning whether the honeymoon was sponsored.
Speaker 1: This doesn't sell Lapland as a location for me, particularly
Speaker 1: for a honeymoon. The fact that there's such limited hours
Speaker 1: when it's live h They did pack a lot into
Speaker 1: the hours that they did have, so they went for
Speaker 1: reindeer and husky rides. They also wrote on snowmobiles, they
Speaker 1: did horse riding, and also went to a finish sauna.
Speaker 1: It's funny though, because apparently it affected Tammy's body clock
Speaker 1: a lot more than Matt, so she would be sound asleep.
Speaker 2: By six pm.
Speaker 1: So how they would structure their day is they would
Speaker 1: normally wake up at five am and have a sauna
Speaker 1: and then they'd go and put on a Christmas movie
Speaker 1: and play Christmas music, even out of Christmas tree, so
Speaker 1: it was very Christmas.
Speaker 2: Centric this honeymoon. I heard that Tammy's face almost got frostbite.
Speaker 1: Yes, it did, so apparently they were I think it
Speaker 1: was on the snowmer bills and Tammy's face was uncovered,
Speaker 1: but Matt was actually wearing a full face ballet clava.
Speaker 2: It's like, mate, you should have lent it to her.
Speaker 1: I wonder if Matt was able to adapt to the
Speaker 1: weather better because he's from Melbourne and Tammy's from the
Speaker 1: Gold Coastly. He bore the wrong socks. He wore bamboo
Speaker 1: socks when you have to wear thick woolen socks, so
Speaker 1: he did feel it a little bit. I was surprised
Speaker 1: to hear that they ate bear and reindeer, particularly when
Speaker 1: this is at Christmas time.
Speaker 2: How could you eat Roodolph?
Speaker 1: I wasn't shocked about the reindeer because I've heard that
Speaker 1: that is all that is on the menu over there, really,
Speaker 1: because yeah, what I found particularly unusual was how the
Speaker 1: bear was served. So they had it on pizza and
Speaker 1: it was bear salami with blue cheese, and Matt even
Speaker 1: ended up taking home a can of bear meat.
Speaker 2: How did that get through customs?
Speaker 1: And that's what I was thinking, And he and his
Speaker 1: step son Wolf tried it on camera and there are
Speaker 1: a lot of Finnish people in the comment saying I've
Speaker 1: never heard of anyone eating bear here, which is that
Speaker 1: seems to happen when people go overseas well. People get
Speaker 1: shocked when they come to Australia and they hear that
Speaker 1: we eat kangaroo. Being vegetarian, I find it hard to
Speaker 1: get my head around people eating kangaroo. It seems clear
Speaker 1: to me that Matt and Anna now have a producer
Speaker 1: involved in their podcast, because this new episode seemed a
Speaker 1: little bit different to what they normally put out, because
Speaker 1: it seemed quite obvious that they'd been tasked with talking
Speaker 1: about how Christmas can be quite.
Speaker 2: Difficult for couples.
Speaker 1: However, Matt didn't really want to elaborate on anything.
Speaker 2: To do with the topic.
Speaker 1: So Anna was like, oh, you know, we always see
Speaker 1: these perfect Christmas and New Years on Instagram, but the
Speaker 1: reality is that a lot of couples fight over that period.
Speaker 2: Matt, did you have any fights? And He's like, no,
Speaker 2: we didn't.
Speaker 1: You could tell he had been instructed by Tammy to
Speaker 1: be like, don't say anything about any of our Ya'd
Speaker 1: be pretty stupid to actually divulge any of their arm
Speaker 1: He said, oh, nothing out of the ordinary. So it
Speaker 1: sounded like they had a very quiet Christmas in New Years.
Speaker 1: I mean he did pop back to Melbourne to visit
Speaker 1: his family I think on Christmas Eve, but then caught
Speaker 1: a night flight back so that he could be of
Speaker 1: the festivities.
Speaker 2: It was a little bit.
Speaker 1: Of a last minute decision though he said he was
Speaker 1: getting fomo.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: He seemed to be handing out a bit of parental
Speaker 1: advice also to Anna macavoy, because we found out over
Speaker 1: the weekend that she is expecting a baby boy. So
Speaker 1: she did a gender reveal on her Instagram and they
Speaker 1: did a segment on their word of the Year, which
Speaker 1: they said that they copied from Mom and mea and
Speaker 1: they wasn't quite the same. And basically part of her
Speaker 1: year is that she wants to go traveling. Oh e
Speaker 1: a newborn, and Matt was like, I don't think you're
Speaker 1: going to be doing much traveling. It's like you can't
Speaker 1: even go traveling with kids up to ten years of age.
Speaker 1: It's difficult I did have a laugh when I was
Speaker 1: listening to the podcast in the car about that, because
Speaker 1: I mean, you only know what you know, and I'm
Speaker 1: not trying to be that person that's like, oh just wait,
Speaker 1: oh oh my god, that is your word to Amy
Speaker 1: and I all the time, and it is annoying as
Speaker 1: someone who is pregnant. A TikTok popped up the other
Speaker 1: day and they're like, the worst thing you can say
Speaker 1: to a pregnant woman.
Speaker 2: Is just way. See.
Speaker 1: I was talking about that with one of my friends
Speaker 1: who's just had a baby as well, and we said
Speaker 1: we hated it when people did it to us, but
Speaker 1: now being on the other side of it, we can
Speaker 1: see why just comes across as so smug though, because
Speaker 1: you need to let people learn on their own.
Speaker 2: Let them be a bit delusion. Let Adda travel overseas
Speaker 2: with her trucks. Some people do.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's been a few influences of podcasters. I know
Speaker 1: Victoria Devine took her baby to Europe. She had no
Speaker 1: trouble and Michelle Battersby were talking about last week how
Speaker 1: she traveled with her six month old son. She's got
Speaker 1: an upgrade. Yeah, I mean, maybe you're doing it wrong.
Speaker 6: I cannot believe some of the that has been spun
Speaker 6: and the lengths that people will go to to just
Speaker 6: act like everything is rainbows and sunshines. It's like why.
Speaker 1: Ashi Bynes has relaunched her self improvement podcast two months
Speaker 1: after her co host, Kiara Durrow left under controversial circumstances,
Speaker 1: as she is back with a new podcast co host
Speaker 1: who also happens to be her new bestie. Kiara approved,
Speaker 1: though she's not going to go away, quietly dropping some
Speaker 1: juicy details about the friendship breakdown on YouTube. Now before
Speaker 1: we get into it, can you refresh our memory? Sophie
Speaker 1: on what went down well, as she and Kiara hosted
Speaker 1: the Grow and Globe podcast together for around two years
Speaker 1: before they decided to pull the pin, and it was
Speaker 1: clear that something major was going on behind the scenes
Speaker 1: because the timing was really off.
Speaker 2: They were set to.
Speaker 1: Release a new product, but on the day of the launch,
Speaker 1: they said that something suddenly came up very Marsha Brady
Speaker 1: and the product was delayed.
Speaker 2: The pair then.
Speaker 1: Unfollowed each other on social media and released an episode
Speaker 1: announcing Kiara's departure on the show.
Speaker 7: Now.
Speaker 1: Kiara claimed she was leaving to focus on her family,
Speaker 1: but it was clear there was more to it after
Speaker 1: she made a bunch of not so subtle digs at
Speaker 1: Ashley on social media. Now, ash went out swinging, saying
Speaker 1: she was shocked by Kiara's behavior, and Kiara then pulled
Speaker 1: the ace card organizing a dinner date.
Speaker 2: With all of Ashey's ex best friends.
Speaker 1: It's been a lot of fun seeing this all go
Speaker 1: down on social media, and in the new year, ash
Speaker 1: rebranded the podcast with a new co host. So to
Speaker 1: add insult to injury, the show was appearing in the
Speaker 1: same feed that Grow and Glow did, and also the
Speaker 1: social media channels are the same, they've just been rebranded.
Speaker 1: So the new podcast is called She Rises, which seems
Speaker 1: to be a bit of a potshot.
Speaker 2: At Kiara Now.
Speaker 1: Apparently it took Ashy in her new co host days
Speaker 1: to brainstorm the name. They even went on to chat
Speaker 1: GPT to see what they thought. Well, it's always useful,
Speaker 1: I feel like everyone does, and even if they're in
Speaker 1: marketing now. I mean, while Ashy is calling it a rebrand,
Speaker 1: it really is just the same self improvement style of
Speaker 1: content with a new label slapped on it.
Speaker 2: So the first episode dropped.
Speaker 1: Last week and they're releasing three episodes a week, so
Speaker 1: on Fridays they're doing something a.
Speaker 2: Little bit different.
Speaker 1: They're calling it Freaky Friday, and it just seems to
Speaker 1: be a ripoff of Life on Cut segment where they
Speaker 1: read out really unfiltered things. To be fair, every podcast
Speaker 1: has an element where they copy something, I mean from
Speaker 1: radio shows. I mean there's so many podcasts now it's
Speaker 1: really hard to be completely original.
Speaker 2: Inspiration, isn't it? Yeah calls it in marketing now.
Speaker 1: It's clearly a good format and if Ash is going
Speaker 1: to divulge personal things about her life, I think it
Speaker 1: could be a bit of a winner.
Speaker 2: So who is the new co host?
Speaker 1: Her name is Tiana, and funnily enough, she's not only
Speaker 1: the co host, but Ashey's new best friend. So she's
Speaker 1: a life coach who has around twenty nine thousand followers
Speaker 1: on Instagram. So that has made me not want to
Speaker 1: tune in to listen to a life coach. I can
Speaker 1: just imagine what the content is going to be like. Well,
Speaker 1: that's why I took one for the team and I
Speaker 1: listened to the forty five minute episode. I did have
Speaker 1: her on fast forward, but the pair actually met at
Speaker 1: the gym around six months ago, and they immediately clicked,
Speaker 1: which seems quite similar to the story that Ashi and
Speaker 1: Kiara used to tell about their friendship. So apparently they
Speaker 1: really bonded over the fact that they were both going
Speaker 1: through relationship breakdown. So for Ashey it was with Kiara
Speaker 1: and for Tiana it was with her boyfriend. It was
Speaker 1: really clear to me listening to the podcast. So Ashy
Speaker 1: is very keen to change the image that's out there
Speaker 1: at the moment about her being a really bad friend,
Speaker 1: because there was a lot of talk from Tiana's side
Speaker 1: of things what a great friend Ashy is. And also
Speaker 1: ash kept dropping that she has had the same group
Speaker 1: of girlfriends for twenty years.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because didn't.
Speaker 1: As She put up a post where she was out
Speaker 1: socializing with all of her school friends, and that came
Speaker 1: after Kiara uploaded the post where she was out with
Speaker 1: all of as She's ex best friends. I can really
Speaker 1: see why, because it's not really the best image to
Speaker 1: be painted in that you can't keep friendships. It's a
Speaker 1: bit of damage control for her. I'm seeing a few
Speaker 1: red flags. Oh the fact that Tiana and as She
Speaker 1: have only been friends for six months now. I don't
Speaker 1: know if I would be diving into a business with
Speaker 1: someone I barely know.
Speaker 2: What is clear though, is there's probably been a written
Speaker 2: up arrangement. This is Ash's podcast. At the end of
Speaker 2: the day, she's.
Speaker 1: Giving Tiana an opportunity to grow her social media following
Speaker 1: to get her name out there. She knows she has
Speaker 1: to play the co host role. That became very clear
Speaker 1: in this first episode because they were discussing what to
Speaker 1: expect this coming year from the podcast and the need
Speaker 1: for the rebrand, and not only have they increased the
Speaker 1: number of episodes that they're releasing a week, but they
Speaker 1: talked about how they're planning a national tour and that
Speaker 1: they're also holding what they called these intimate events where
Speaker 1: they're going to invite say, twins people to come to
Speaker 1: this very unique event that will never happen again, Like
Speaker 1: each one of these small.
Speaker 2: Events are going to be so different from.
Speaker 1: Each other, and they're also going to be releasing their
Speaker 1: own online course of course, And to me, seemed like
Speaker 1: they were getting a lot of inspiration from Georgie Stevenson
Speaker 1: because she's got a podcast called Rise and Conker, where
Speaker 1: so the names are quite similar and she has a
Speaker 1: very successful online course. So I think as she's looking
Speaker 1: at this and thinking this is a really good money
Speaker 1: making skill, I think it's normal to take inspiration from
Speaker 1: other podcast as, particularly someone like Georgie Stevenson who's been
Speaker 1: very successful by launching all of her courses. I also
Speaker 1: think it comes down to the fact that her new
Speaker 1: co host is a life coach and a lot of
Speaker 1: life coaches launch courses as well. Just had a bit
Speaker 1: of those MLM vibes to me, and it was quite
Speaker 1: funny because they kept referencing the uniform that they now
Speaker 1: wear on the podcast. So before when it was Ashy
Speaker 1: and Kiara, they used to wear like dress up a
Speaker 1: bit and wear suit jackets and try and look a
Speaker 1: bit corporate, whereas now they've gone for the tact to
Speaker 1: call their daddy and they were branded tracksuits. But they
Speaker 1: were kind of talking about it as if it was
Speaker 1: this new, wacky idea, and I'm like, it's.
Speaker 2: Just what Alex Kuper does.
Speaker 1: I love that Kiara chose the week of the podcast
Speaker 1: rebrand to share her own juicy Q and A where
Speaker 1: she answered a lot of follow up questions, and of
Speaker 1: course most of them had to do with the fallout
Speaker 1: with Ashy. It's funny because a lot of people have
Speaker 1: been talking about how she's allegedly been slapped with a
Speaker 1: gag order, but it seems like she's a lot more
Speaker 1: confident to share what happened.
Speaker 7: Well.
Speaker 1: To begin with, Kiara's spoken code a little bit about
Speaker 1: how much better she's feeling now that she doesn't have
Speaker 1: as much pressure on her. So she said the pressure
Speaker 1: made her have raging anxiety, and when asked what her
Speaker 1: biggest lesson of the year was, she said.
Speaker 6: This, don't underestimate what people will do with malicious intent.
Speaker 2: That's all I have to say.
Speaker 6: Don't underestimate. Yeah, and that if you feel like you
Speaker 6: can't be yourself around people, then they're not your people
Speaker 6: and just listen to your guard Like I know I've
Speaker 6: said that, but far out, like I knew, my body
Speaker 6: showed me signs.
Speaker 1: The image that Kiara is painting of Ashy is in
Speaker 1: complete contrast to what ash is trying to paint of herself.
Speaker 1: And it's funny because I actually watched Kiara's YouTube Q
Speaker 1: and A before listening to the podcast, and I just
Speaker 1: kept laughing because it seems like Ashy is so keen
Speaker 1: to push this image of herself that again might not
Speaker 1: be the person that she is behind the scenes. Then again,
Speaker 1: there's two sides to every story as well. Of course,
Speaker 1: someone you have a bust up with, you're gonna not
Speaker 1: paint in a very nice life. I enjoyed how pointed
Speaker 1: the answers got as they went along, because Kiara revealed
Speaker 1: that she felt like she was very much on a
Speaker 1: high horse when she was on the Grow and Glow podcast,
Speaker 1: but she said this caused her to lose a lot
Speaker 1: of her followers.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I noticed a lot of people in the YouTube comment said, Oh,
Speaker 1: I've actually only started re following you after you left
Speaker 1: ashe Bines's podcast, and I unfollowed you because you were
Speaker 1: on it. So it's quite interesting the detrimental impact that
Speaker 1: pairing had on Kiara.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, she even labeled her friendship with Ash as being
Speaker 1: full on and for Kiara, the podcast was meant to
Speaker 1: be this fun side project, but she said that as
Speaker 1: she took it way more seriously. This is what she said,
Speaker 1: what really went down?
Speaker 6: Do you miss the friendship? I'll just kind of answer
Speaker 6: that second question there. What really went down? Probably more
Speaker 6: than you would think. Yeah, they got very very nasty
Speaker 6: at the end, Yeah, hm, I feel like, you know,
Speaker 6: obviously we're going through a lot of stuff with Miller.
Speaker 6: And as soon as I started to take a step back,
Speaker 6: I'd quit and I said, like I'm done, like I
Speaker 6: want to focus on my family, Like yeah, things just
Speaker 6: started to hit the fan. And I decided from that
Speaker 6: moment on with like, I'm not putting work before my
Speaker 6: family and I'm not caring what other people think or
Speaker 6: who I let down or who I upset, because like,
Speaker 6: make kids need me.
Speaker 1: My favorite bit of the Q and A was when
Speaker 1: Kiara's husband Kirk came in. He had just got out
Speaker 1: of the shower and he gave to ashe's husband Steve.
Speaker 2: Let's throw to what he said. I hope the kids
Speaker 2: are well.
Speaker 6: And are you still friends with Ashy?
Speaker 2: Absolutely not?
Speaker 7: Who's that girl?
Speaker 6: Don't know? Not friends with Ashy and definitely not step
Speaker 6: friends with Steve either. Friend of you guys could read
Speaker 6: the text messages between Curt and him.
Speaker 2: Oh that was some pretty ruthless things.
Speaker 1: Yeah, don't you love when the husbands just say it
Speaker 1: how it is.
Speaker 7: When your house burns down, you have nothing in your parents'
Speaker 7: house burns down and they have nothing. There's only one
Speaker 7: thing that could maybe make you feel better a bag
Speaker 7: of vegels. Obviously, I'm in shock and my brain's not functioning,
Speaker 7: so I think this is the most unhinged first you've seen.
Speaker 1: Over the last week, the world has watched on in
Speaker 1: horror as wildfires have ripped through LA. At the time
Speaker 1: of recording, it's sixteen people have lost their lives and
Speaker 1: more than five thousand homes have been destroyed. The wildfires
Speaker 1: have not discriminated, decimating the multi million dollar homes of celebrities,
Speaker 1: including Paris Hilton, Adam Brody, and reality stars Heidi and
Speaker 1: Spencer Pratt. Now one of the biggest pop culture stories
Speaker 1: to come out of the fires has been the shock
Speaker 1: career resurrection of Heidi and Spencer, who have managed to
Speaker 1: turn their devastation into success.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I can safely say that one thing I didn't have
Speaker 1: on my bingo card for this year was Heidi Montag's
Speaker 1: twenty ten album Superficial, being number one on the iTunes
Speaker 1: charts in the US, Canada and Australia. I've actually had
Speaker 1: her single Body Language on a Spotify playlist for years now,
Speaker 1: so I feel ahead of the time.
Speaker 2: It's very nostalgic hearing her old songs.
Speaker 1: I mean it is super techno like, I mean, it's
Speaker 1: barely her voice at this stage. It's a fucking banger though.
Speaker 2: And she perform at.
Speaker 1: The Victorious Secrets runway show years ago. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: that would have been in twenty ten.
Speaker 2: And we'll explain in.
Speaker 1: More detail how this has charted so highly. But for
Speaker 1: those gen zeas wondering who the hell are Heidi and
Speaker 1: Spencer Pratt Spidey, Yeah, Spidey as they're better known. They
Speaker 1: are from a hit reality show called The Heels and
Speaker 1: this was loved by millennials all around the world. You
Speaker 1: were either team Heidi or Team Lauren. I was on
Speaker 1: Team Lauren at the time. But there's a lot of
Speaker 1: people coming out of the woodwork saying, I think we
Speaker 1: watched the show wrong. Yeah, that's because a lot of
Speaker 1: people despised Spencer. He was painted as the villain on
Speaker 1: the Hills for perceivably breaking up Lauren and Heidi's friendship,
Speaker 1: and it's quite clear from some of his recent tiktoks
Speaker 1: that he still dislikes Lauren or Elsie is l like
Speaker 1: ce to she refer to her. But I think people
Speaker 1: are realizing that he has a great sense of humor.
Speaker 2: That is a bit he's a bit of a showman.
Speaker 1: But that's a confusing thing because Spencer has spoken a
Speaker 1: lot about how the Heels was fake and he and
Speaker 1: Heidi were actually told to have all these fights and
Speaker 1: their relationship was actually really good behind the scenes and
Speaker 1: it was all for show.
Speaker 2: But then he really hates Lauren.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I think that's part of his sense of humor.
Speaker 1: And it's amazing he's been able to go from being
Speaker 1: one of the most hated villains on reality TV to
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty five being so well loved, Like we
Speaker 1: are seeing celebrities getting behind Heidi and Spencer, and this
Speaker 1: is because he has been documenting his experience with the
Speaker 1: Palisades fires. So Heidi and Spencer were one of the
Speaker 1: first celebrity couples to open up about losing their home online.
Speaker 1: They were pretty much live streaming when it was happening.
Speaker 1: There were very dramatic pictures that they were sharing across TikTok.
Speaker 1: I couldn't believe that they were still there at the
Speaker 1: time to film it. It looked like a wall of
Speaker 1: fire coming for their house. Well, Spencer actually shared CCTV
Speaker 1: vision on TikTok taken from inside his home and it
Speaker 1: showed the fire ripping through his two small son's rooms.
Speaker 1: And since then a number of his videos have amassed
Speaker 1: millions and millions of views, including this video of Spencer
Speaker 1: showing his followers what was left of their home.
Speaker 7: Not sure we're going to be able to wash anything
Speaker 7: in this setup anymore clothes? They no, definitely will keep
Speaker 7: that fountain. There is a breadmaker.
Speaker 4: It's exciting.
Speaker 1: It was really fascinating to see him go back and
Speaker 1: see the random objects that had made it somehow.
Speaker 2: It was like a rubber snake.
Speaker 1: I was.
Speaker 2: I'm sure they're thrilled at that last.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and like they had their swing their kids swing sets.
Speaker 1: Oh the farming bird pot as well.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: But he is known well.
Speaker 1: He has a crystal business. It was it called Pratt
Speaker 1: Daddy Crystal, and he was so upset because his crystals
Speaker 1: didn't make it. He had spent so much money. They
Speaker 1: had been shattered. They were just everywhere. I know a
Speaker 1: lot of people were really invested in whether the big
Speaker 1: prints of Heidi and Spencer that would feature in a
Speaker 1: lot of their tiktoks had made it. And they did not.
Speaker 1: They didn't manage to get them out. I mean, they
Speaker 1: were huge. I can see why. Heidi said that she
Speaker 1: only left the house mainly with clothes for her children
Speaker 1: and two pairs of jeans, and she's like, I just
Speaker 1: didn't even know what to take. The only clothes that
Speaker 1: Spencer took with him a Heidi Montag merch and also
Speaker 1: he's Taylor Swift merchandise because he is a massive Taylor
Speaker 1: Swift fan. He really got into Taylor Swift when she
Speaker 1: dropped her Reputation album and he was one of the
Speaker 1: only big celebrities to pump up her album lost a
Speaker 1: lot of them turned their backs on her. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think he hates the Kardashians because he was famously
Speaker 1: friends with Brody Jenna on the Heels and Brody is
Speaker 1: the stepbrother of Kim Kardashian and they had a massive
Speaker 1: falling out. My favorite TikTok he has released so far
Speaker 1: is when he was celebrating hitting a million followers on
Speaker 1: TikTok so. It's quite ironic since his house has burnt down,
Speaker 1: he has gained over six hundred and sixty five thousand
Speaker 1: followers on TikTok so. He's cracked that milestone that he's
Speaker 1: wanted for so long. This is what he said about.
Speaker 7: It, cheers, thank you to a million followers on TikTok.
Speaker 7: Who would have thought, oh, I need it is our
Speaker 7: house to burn down and to finally hit a million
Speaker 7: camp with I didn't think of that sooner.
Speaker 6: Now.
Speaker 1: He entitled that video Dark Humor, and I think that
Speaker 1: this is why he's becoming so popular because everybody is
Speaker 1: loving his jokes. Now, at the time of recording, that
Speaker 1: video has been viewed nearly seven million times. His TikTok
Speaker 1: follow account now sits at one point six million. It
Speaker 1: reminds me a lot of when Liam Payne's girlfriend Kate
Speaker 1: Cassidy hit that one million mark on TikTok after he died. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it is tragic when it's in circumstances like this that
Speaker 1: someone's career really takes off as something that they've been
Speaker 1: wanting for so long, but you don't really want to
Speaker 1: celebrate it.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, what's been so fascinating is watching how clever Spencer
Speaker 1: has been a directing all of this sudden attention. So
Speaker 1: in a TikTok live with Perez Hilton, Heidi and Spencer
Speaker 1: revealed their insurance company dropped them just weeks before the fires.
Speaker 2: Let's have a listen to what they said.
Speaker 7: I want to sue Farmers. They knew this was going
Speaker 7: to happen.
Speaker 2: I like, we had and we and we.
Speaker 7: Paid for nine years with Farmers, you know, like, so
Speaker 7: all that money was for another They didn't drop us me.
Speaker 7: They don't renew you after the malbifires. They didn't renew
Speaker 7: like anyone in the pala scenes.
Speaker 1: Sadly, this has been the case for so many people
Speaker 1: caught up in these wildfires. I just cannot believe it. See,
Speaker 1: I didn't know that they had been dropped by their insurer,
Speaker 1: and suddenly I saw this go fund me page pop
Speaker 1: up because the couple were sharing it on their own Instagram, and.
Speaker 2: I was like, ooh, that's not going to be a
Speaker 2: good look.
Speaker 1: Because there's been a lot of conversations around the fact
Speaker 1: that there's so much attention into these celebrities houses burning
Speaker 1: down and should we feel sorry for them because they're rich.
Speaker 1: I mean, I totally disagree with that rhetoric. Of course,
Speaker 1: we should have empathy for people who have lost their houses.
Speaker 1: I mean, yes, they have a lot of money, but
Speaker 1: a lot of money within those houses. Like yeah, but
Speaker 1: it's not even just that losing their houses. They have
Speaker 1: lost photos, exact memories and just yeah, I saw Paris
Speaker 1: Hilton talking about the fact that she no longer has
Speaker 1: the house that her son shared his first steps in
Speaker 1: and all those sorts of things, and I think we
Speaker 1: need to look at this as people and actually, you know,
Speaker 1: they're just people like us.
Speaker 2: Yes, they've got money, but.
Speaker 1: Also a lot of these celebrities and just everyday people,
Speaker 1: as we touched on, they don't have insurance, so they
Speaker 1: are left with absolutely nothing and have to rebuild. Well,
Speaker 1: this GoFundMe account, it was actually set up by Heidi
Speaker 1: and Spencer's friend and they put a goal of raising
Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty thousand dollars. At the time of recording,
Speaker 1: it has already raised ninety five thousand dollars, which, as
Speaker 1: you said, Kate, this is massive when you think about
Speaker 1: all the rhetoric going on about celebrities and how entitled
Speaker 1: they are, and it shows you how clever they have
Speaker 1: been at remarketing themselves. Let's have a listen to Heidi
Speaker 1: and Spencer fighting back against the criticism in this interview
Speaker 1: with Perez Hilton, It's.
Speaker 5: So crazy because when people are like, oh, you guys
Speaker 5: are rich and famous, like everything we've ever made is
Speaker 5: in that house. We're not on a TV show. Our
Speaker 5: podcast got canceled, Like we were just already struggling to
Speaker 5: have like an income and then to have everything we
Speaker 5: had in that how start to are kids like paintings
Speaker 5: and drines like the care well what soulves that?
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 7: My favorite thing about this experience, though the rebranding is,
Speaker 7: for like the last fifteen years, all I've seen on
Speaker 7: social media is I was a broke, washup celebrity or
Speaker 7: like dealist. Now now I'm a rich celebrity that who cares.
Speaker 7: So the good news is hopefully my Google changes and
Speaker 7: it's like rich celebrity with lots of money.
Speaker 1: I agree with what they're saying here. I mean neither
Speaker 1: Heidi or Spencer before this incident were at the peak
Speaker 1: of their fame. They made a lot of their fortune
Speaker 1: off the back of a reality show that aired in
Speaker 1: the twenty tens, and since then they have been desperately
Speaker 1: trying to get any attention, whether it's through Heidi's new
Speaker 1: music or his prat Daddy crystals. I mean, these aren't
Speaker 1: people that have a huge amount of money sitting in
Speaker 1: the battle. They said that their podcast has been canceled
Speaker 1: and the only way they can really make money is
Speaker 1: through either TikTok, which they've been doing a lot of
Speaker 1: live streams and people have been donating money. And then
Speaker 1: Spencer came up with the great idea of let's get
Speaker 1: Heidi's songs back in the charts. If you stream them,
Speaker 1: we make money. And this is exactly what has happened.
Speaker 1: As we mentioned earlier, Heidi's songs have gone number one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, even m Rada was backing them.
Speaker 1: So she posted a TikTok with Heidi's song playing, saying
Speaker 1: didn't expect this Heidi Montag song to be the soundtrack
Speaker 1: to the twenty twenty five apocalypse, but you know what?
Speaker 2: Fuck yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, some fans were asking Spencer, oh, shall we start
Speaker 1: watching the hills, like do you get royalties from that?
Speaker 1: And He's like, that is the worst thing that you
Speaker 1: could do. He even took a swipe at Lauren Conrad
Speaker 1: again saying he doesn't want fans to give up a
Speaker 1: single brain cell listening to the narrator. Do you think
Speaker 1: this has short lived attention or do you think that
Speaker 1: Heidi and Spencer are going to be able to leap
Speaker 1: frog from this. So I think they might be able
Speaker 1: to leap frog because there's currently calls for them to
Speaker 1: have their own reality show. So fans are saying they
Speaker 1: want to see them rebuilding their lives after the fires,
Speaker 1: and Spencer revealed on Sunday that his management has a
Speaker 1: meeting with Hulu this week, so he has asked all
Speaker 1: of his followers to spam the Hulu social media accounts
Speaker 1: calling for them to have their own reality show. I mean,
Speaker 1: I would one hundred percent watch this. I would love it.
Speaker 1: I really hope that happens. The only bad thing for
Speaker 1: Heidi and Spencer though, is the timing of their TikTok rise.
Speaker 1: I mean, they've both now got over a million followers,
Speaker 1: but TikTok is meant to be being phased out in America,
Speaker 1: so they may no longer be able to get lots
Speaker 1: of money from their TikTok lives. It will hopefully that
Speaker 1: following support them on a different social media platform.
Speaker 4: I don't see the point in making my name. I
Speaker 4: have no attachment and I've already got rid of it.
Speaker 1: Or Chap bil Abby Chatfield has shocked her followers by
Speaker 1: revealing her last name isn't legally Chatfield. So Abby made
Speaker 1: this confession after telling her followers that she's begun looking
Speaker 1: into reserving the Instagram handle Abbi Hyde after having a
Speaker 1: few glasses of chardonnay at an influencer event. Heide is
Speaker 1: of course the last name of her boyfriend, Adam, who
Speaker 1: is a musician in Peaking Duck. So things seem to
Speaker 1: be getting very serious.
Speaker 2: I've never heard.
Speaker 1: Abby talking about someone in this way.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 1: Abby said that she wasn't planning on telling Adam that
Speaker 1: she'd looked into reserving the name. She was only going
Speaker 1: to do it on the slide. But then she discovered,
Speaker 1: of course that it was taken. Remember last year there
Speaker 1: was a socialite that got in trouble for doing this.
Speaker 1: So she got married and the surname was actually quite unusual,
Speaker 1: but someone had it as their finster account and she
Speaker 1: tried to buy it off them, and then they ended
Speaker 1: up shaming her publicly on Reddit. Do you think that
Speaker 1: some people go and reserve these names purposely, like they
Speaker 1: see that there's these celebrities in these relationships that look
Speaker 1: like they're blossoming, and they're like fuck, I'm gonna make
Speaker 1: some money by reserving this name. I don't know if,
Speaker 1: in the case of Abby, if someone would have done it, because,
Speaker 1: if anything, I would have thought that Abbi would want
Speaker 1: to keep her maiden name. And a lot of Abby's
Speaker 1: followers were begging her to keep her maiden name if
Speaker 1: she married Adam. And this is when she the bomb
Speaker 1: that she no longer went by the name Chatfield legally
Speaker 1: and that she had changed it two years ago to
Speaker 1: another family name. There were so many people who were
Speaker 1: intrigued and saying, please tell us what the last name is,
Speaker 1: but she declined. Let's have a listen to Abby's reasoning
Speaker 1: for changing her name.
Speaker 4: I have no emotional attachment to the name Chatfield or
Speaker 4: my current surname. And the thing is, you have to
Speaker 4: have a man's surname. If I'm going to have a
Speaker 4: man's surname, I want it to be a man that
Speaker 4: I love and respect and loves and respects me, over
Speaker 4: a man that left his family.
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people were initially surprised because
Speaker 1: they thought Abby, being such a stout feminist, she'd want
Speaker 1: to keep her name. But this actually makes a lot
Speaker 1: of sense. Why would you want to keep the name
Speaker 1: of your dad, who you've got no relationship.
Speaker 2: I understand it.
Speaker 1: I actually liked what she said in that I would
Speaker 1: rather take the name of a man who I love
Speaker 1: and respect. Have you looked up Sophie Hancock on Instagram,
Speaker 1: then there's so many Sophie Hancock's on there. I decided
Speaker 1: to keep Sophie Torbo as handle because I've thought for
Speaker 1: all of my work, I go by my maiden name.
Speaker 1: I actually haven't legally changed my name yet. I kind
Speaker 1: of want to do it with all my babies born. See,
Speaker 1: I have actually legally changed my last name to Turner,
Speaker 1: but I couldn't change my handle even if I wanted to.
Speaker 1: There are that many Kate Turners, and I thought one
Speaker 1: of the advantages to changing my name would be at
Speaker 1: the shots when they go, oh, what's your surname? And
Speaker 1: I don't have to spell torbout But I've still got
Speaker 1: it as my email address. And I tried to get
Speaker 1: a Kate Turner Gmail.
Speaker 2: Nothing, not even.
Speaker 1: My middle name, no numbers, like it was literally all taken.
Speaker 1: This had a terrible thought. Do you think people reserve
Speaker 1: Instagram handles for their children? Well, I hope not. My
Speaker 1: son is not going to get one pretty easily. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think Jack Turner, there would be a lot of
Speaker 1: kids called it. Surely Instagram will be dead by the
Speaker 1: time people's children now look at TikTok. I mean that's
Speaker 1: going to be gone in the US. Sarah's day reserve
Speaker 1: one for Fox Fox Ocean. Probably not all that wouldn't
Speaker 1: surprise me.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, that's all we've got time for today. Thank you
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Speaker 1: a Thursday. On Thursday, we are going to be discussing
Speaker 1: the viral bride who washed her makeup off twenty minutes
Speaker 1: before her first look with her husband. This sent shivers
Speaker 1: down my spine. This is my worst nightmare. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: know that's something you would do, though, so because you're
Speaker 1: so picky about things, it is.
Speaker 2: Something that I would do.
Speaker 1: That's why I was literally felt so uncomfortable watching it.
Speaker 1: Can you imagine the pressure to make your makeup look
Speaker 1: good after one having to wash it off? I would
Speaker 1: get each y eyed.
Speaker 2: Let's say I would save it for a lot of thoughts
Speaker 2: about that. Yeah, well, this.
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