1 00:00:04,680 --> 00:00:07,680 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the 2 00:00:07,760 --> 00:00:11,240 Speaker 1: hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm 3 00:00:11,280 --> 00:00:14,920 Speaker 1: Sophie Torba and coming up on today's show, Ash Bines 4 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:18,279 Speaker 1: relaunches her podcast as her former bestie spills the Tea 5 00:00:18,800 --> 00:00:22,280 Speaker 1: Party and Spencer Pratt's careers Rise from the Ashes and 6 00:00:22,440 --> 00:00:27,080 Speaker 1: Abby Chatfield's shock name Revelation. But first, Matt Sakowski has 7 00:00:27,160 --> 00:00:30,560 Speaker 1: dropped some juicy details about his honeymoon with Tammy Hembro 8 00:00:30,680 --> 00:00:34,320 Speaker 1: in Lapland. After wowing their followers with stunning vision of 9 00:00:34,360 --> 00:00:37,720 Speaker 1: the northern lights on their tiktoks back in December, Matt 10 00:00:37,760 --> 00:00:41,199 Speaker 1: took things a step further on his podcast by revealing 11 00:00:41,200 --> 00:00:44,839 Speaker 1: what actually happened during their once in a lifetime experience, Ky, 12 00:00:44,880 --> 00:00:46,920 Speaker 1: can you tell us more? It was definitely a case 13 00:00:46,920 --> 00:00:49,800 Speaker 1: of TMI, so Matt revealed that he and Tammy had 14 00:00:49,880 --> 00:00:53,000 Speaker 1: sex under the northern lights. So on the first night 15 00:00:53,040 --> 00:00:55,840 Speaker 1: of their honeymoon, after traveling for over twenty four hours, 16 00:00:56,160 --> 00:00:58,160 Speaker 1: the couple got a wake up call from their tour 17 00:00:58,240 --> 00:01:00,840 Speaker 1: company at around ten pm letting them know that the 18 00:01:00,880 --> 00:01:03,720 Speaker 1: northern lights were visible, so they quickly got dressed and 19 00:01:03,760 --> 00:01:06,000 Speaker 1: they followed the lights around, and they stopped to take 20 00:01:06,040 --> 00:01:08,280 Speaker 1: photos in the middle of a frozen lake and other 21 00:01:08,360 --> 00:01:10,400 Speaker 1: scenic spots. And it's quite funny because Matt said that 22 00:01:10,440 --> 00:01:12,800 Speaker 1: Tammy started punching the lake to make sure that. 23 00:01:12,800 --> 00:01:14,919 Speaker 2: It was frozen, and it really freaked him out. 24 00:01:15,200 --> 00:01:18,160 Speaker 1: Anyway, So the couple ended up returning back to their 25 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:20,520 Speaker 1: hotel in the early hours of the morning, where Matt 26 00:01:20,560 --> 00:01:22,600 Speaker 1: says they ticked something off their bucket list. 27 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:23,640 Speaker 2: Let's throw to what he said. 28 00:01:24,720 --> 00:01:28,240 Speaker 3: We came back to the resort and we went into 29 00:01:28,280 --> 00:01:30,440 Speaker 3: the spa at like two thirty am, and we literally 30 00:01:30,440 --> 00:01:35,160 Speaker 3: watched the like the northern lights dancing above us. Yeah, 31 00:01:35,240 --> 00:01:38,240 Speaker 3: made love under the northern lights spa. That's a bucket 32 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:42,720 Speaker 3: list from there to honeymoon. You're pray, So that's a 33 00:01:42,720 --> 00:01:43,400 Speaker 3: bucket list thing. 34 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:45,520 Speaker 2: Only making love part we want to hear about. 35 00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:49,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, so under the northern lights, that's a cool thing. 36 00:01:48,920 --> 00:01:50,680 Speaker 1: To do, and that's pretty That's a pretty good way 37 00:01:50,720 --> 00:01:51,680 Speaker 1: to consummate the marriage. 38 00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:54,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, it was cute. Yeah, it was nice. 39 00:01:56,160 --> 00:01:58,000 Speaker 1: I feel like Anna said what we were all thinking 40 00:01:58,000 --> 00:01:59,920 Speaker 1: that it was a bit too much information. I think 41 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:02,840 Speaker 1: Matt thought that it was okay because it was his honeymoon, 42 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:05,280 Speaker 1: and that's what's expected on a honeymoon. I wonder how 43 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:07,880 Speaker 1: Tammy feels about him sharing that personal story. 44 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:09,640 Speaker 2: Has it made the Daily Mail yet? That's what I 45 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:11,880 Speaker 2: want to know. I don't think anyone really. 46 00:02:11,639 --> 00:02:13,280 Speaker 1: Listens to his podcast except us. 47 00:02:13,440 --> 00:02:13,600 Speaker 4: Now. 48 00:02:13,639 --> 00:02:15,920 Speaker 1: Another thing that surprised me about their honeymoon was just 49 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:19,480 Speaker 1: how little daylight there was in Lapland. So apparently the 50 00:02:19,480 --> 00:02:22,400 Speaker 1: sun rose at around ten am each day and set 51 00:02:22,480 --> 00:02:26,320 Speaker 1: by two pm, so by three pm it was pitch black. 52 00:02:26,480 --> 00:02:28,800 Speaker 1: I know, we were questioning whether the honeymoon was sponsored. 53 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:32,079 Speaker 1: This doesn't sell Lapland as a location for me, particularly 54 00:02:32,120 --> 00:02:34,800 Speaker 1: for a honeymoon. The fact that there's such limited hours 55 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:37,000 Speaker 1: when it's live h They did pack a lot into 56 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:38,880 Speaker 1: the hours that they did have, so they went for 57 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:42,520 Speaker 1: reindeer and husky rides. They also wrote on snowmobiles, they 58 00:02:42,520 --> 00:02:45,000 Speaker 1: did horse riding, and also went to a finish sauna. 59 00:02:45,360 --> 00:02:48,120 Speaker 1: It's funny though, because apparently it affected Tammy's body clock 60 00:02:48,200 --> 00:02:50,919 Speaker 1: a lot more than Matt, so she would be sound asleep. 61 00:02:50,639 --> 00:02:51,440 Speaker 2: By six pm. 62 00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:53,600 Speaker 1: So how they would structure their day is they would 63 00:02:53,600 --> 00:02:56,040 Speaker 1: normally wake up at five am and have a sauna 64 00:02:56,160 --> 00:02:57,960 Speaker 1: and then they'd go and put on a Christmas movie 65 00:02:57,960 --> 00:03:00,760 Speaker 1: and play Christmas music, even out of Christmas tree, so 66 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:02,400 Speaker 1: it was very Christmas. 67 00:03:01,919 --> 00:03:05,480 Speaker 2: Centric this honeymoon. I heard that Tammy's face almost got frostbite. 68 00:03:05,800 --> 00:03:08,200 Speaker 1: Yes, it did, so apparently they were I think it 69 00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:10,960 Speaker 1: was on the snowmer bills and Tammy's face was uncovered, 70 00:03:10,960 --> 00:03:13,120 Speaker 1: but Matt was actually wearing a full face ballet clava. 71 00:03:13,160 --> 00:03:14,600 Speaker 2: It's like, mate, you should have lent it to her. 72 00:03:14,720 --> 00:03:16,600 Speaker 1: I wonder if Matt was able to adapt to the 73 00:03:16,760 --> 00:03:19,600 Speaker 1: weather better because he's from Melbourne and Tammy's from the 74 00:03:19,600 --> 00:03:22,280 Speaker 1: Gold Coastly. He bore the wrong socks. He wore bamboo 75 00:03:22,320 --> 00:03:24,639 Speaker 1: socks when you have to wear thick woolen socks, so 76 00:03:24,919 --> 00:03:27,200 Speaker 1: he did feel it a little bit. I was surprised 77 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:30,040 Speaker 1: to hear that they ate bear and reindeer, particularly when 78 00:03:30,080 --> 00:03:31,000 Speaker 1: this is at Christmas time. 79 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:32,160 Speaker 2: How could you eat Roodolph? 80 00:03:32,320 --> 00:03:35,240 Speaker 1: I wasn't shocked about the reindeer because I've heard that 81 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:37,480 Speaker 1: that is all that is on the menu over there, really, 82 00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:40,040 Speaker 1: because yeah, what I found particularly unusual was how the 83 00:03:40,080 --> 00:03:42,400 Speaker 1: bear was served. So they had it on pizza and 84 00:03:42,440 --> 00:03:46,040 Speaker 1: it was bear salami with blue cheese, and Matt even 85 00:03:46,120 --> 00:03:48,800 Speaker 1: ended up taking home a can of bear meat. 86 00:03:49,040 --> 00:03:50,440 Speaker 2: How did that get through customs? 87 00:03:50,440 --> 00:03:52,160 Speaker 1: And that's what I was thinking, And he and his 88 00:03:52,600 --> 00:03:55,200 Speaker 1: step son Wolf tried it on camera and there are 89 00:03:55,200 --> 00:03:57,360 Speaker 1: a lot of Finnish people in the comment saying I've 90 00:03:57,360 --> 00:03:59,600 Speaker 1: never heard of anyone eating bear here, which is that 91 00:03:59,680 --> 00:04:02,119 Speaker 1: seems to happen when people go overseas well. People get 92 00:04:02,120 --> 00:04:03,960 Speaker 1: shocked when they come to Australia and they hear that 93 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:06,680 Speaker 1: we eat kangaroo. Being vegetarian, I find it hard to 94 00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:09,240 Speaker 1: get my head around people eating kangaroo. It seems clear 95 00:04:09,280 --> 00:04:11,240 Speaker 1: to me that Matt and Anna now have a producer 96 00:04:11,280 --> 00:04:14,640 Speaker 1: involved in their podcast, because this new episode seemed a 97 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:17,440 Speaker 1: little bit different to what they normally put out, because 98 00:04:17,800 --> 00:04:21,080 Speaker 1: it seemed quite obvious that they'd been tasked with talking 99 00:04:21,080 --> 00:04:23,000 Speaker 1: about how Christmas can be quite. 100 00:04:22,760 --> 00:04:24,120 Speaker 2: Difficult for couples. 101 00:04:24,640 --> 00:04:28,279 Speaker 1: However, Matt didn't really want to elaborate on anything. 102 00:04:27,880 --> 00:04:28,880 Speaker 2: To do with the topic. 103 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:31,400 Speaker 1: So Anna was like, oh, you know, we always see 104 00:04:31,440 --> 00:04:34,760 Speaker 1: these perfect Christmas and New Years on Instagram, but the 105 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:37,120 Speaker 1: reality is that a lot of couples fight over that period. 106 00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:39,200 Speaker 2: Matt, did you have any fights? And He's like, no, 107 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:39,719 Speaker 2: we didn't. 108 00:04:39,720 --> 00:04:41,880 Speaker 1: You could tell he had been instructed by Tammy to 109 00:04:41,920 --> 00:04:44,480 Speaker 1: be like, don't say anything about any of our Ya'd 110 00:04:44,520 --> 00:04:47,120 Speaker 1: be pretty stupid to actually divulge any of their arm 111 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:50,680 Speaker 1: He said, oh, nothing out of the ordinary. So it 112 00:04:50,720 --> 00:04:53,200 Speaker 1: sounded like they had a very quiet Christmas in New Years. 113 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:55,280 Speaker 1: I mean he did pop back to Melbourne to visit 114 00:04:55,320 --> 00:04:58,080 Speaker 1: his family I think on Christmas Eve, but then caught 115 00:04:58,120 --> 00:05:00,240 Speaker 1: a night flight back so that he could be of 116 00:05:00,279 --> 00:05:01,080 Speaker 1: the festivities. 117 00:05:01,160 --> 00:05:01,960 Speaker 2: It was a little bit. 118 00:05:01,839 --> 00:05:03,520 Speaker 1: Of a last minute decision though he said he was 119 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:04,160 Speaker 1: getting fomo. 120 00:05:04,440 --> 00:05:04,640 Speaker 5: Yeah. 121 00:05:04,640 --> 00:05:06,360 Speaker 1: He seemed to be handing out a bit of parental 122 00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:09,160 Speaker 1: advice also to Anna macavoy, because we found out over 123 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:12,240 Speaker 1: the weekend that she is expecting a baby boy. So 124 00:05:12,320 --> 00:05:14,560 Speaker 1: she did a gender reveal on her Instagram and they 125 00:05:14,640 --> 00:05:17,159 Speaker 1: did a segment on their word of the Year, which 126 00:05:17,200 --> 00:05:19,680 Speaker 1: they said that they copied from Mom and mea and 127 00:05:19,720 --> 00:05:22,720 Speaker 1: they wasn't quite the same. And basically part of her 128 00:05:22,839 --> 00:05:25,359 Speaker 1: year is that she wants to go traveling. Oh e 129 00:05:25,520 --> 00:05:28,400 Speaker 1: a newborn, and Matt was like, I don't think you're 130 00:05:28,400 --> 00:05:30,200 Speaker 1: going to be doing much traveling. It's like you can't 131 00:05:30,200 --> 00:05:32,760 Speaker 1: even go traveling with kids up to ten years of age. 132 00:05:32,760 --> 00:05:34,840 Speaker 1: It's difficult I did have a laugh when I was 133 00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:37,120 Speaker 1: listening to the podcast in the car about that, because 134 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:38,880 Speaker 1: I mean, you only know what you know, and I'm 135 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:41,160 Speaker 1: not trying to be that person that's like, oh just wait, 136 00:05:41,440 --> 00:05:43,920 Speaker 1: oh oh my god, that is your word to Amy 137 00:05:43,920 --> 00:05:46,200 Speaker 1: and I all the time, and it is annoying as 138 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:48,440 Speaker 1: someone who is pregnant. A TikTok popped up the other 139 00:05:48,480 --> 00:05:49,800 Speaker 1: day and they're like, the worst thing you can say 140 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:50,840 Speaker 1: to a pregnant woman. 141 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:51,640 Speaker 2: Is just way. See. 142 00:05:51,680 --> 00:05:53,440 Speaker 1: I was talking about that with one of my friends 143 00:05:53,440 --> 00:05:55,000 Speaker 1: who's just had a baby as well, and we said 144 00:05:55,040 --> 00:05:56,760 Speaker 1: we hated it when people did it to us, but 145 00:05:56,839 --> 00:05:58,240 Speaker 1: now being on the other side of it, we can 146 00:05:58,320 --> 00:06:00,960 Speaker 1: see why just comes across as so smug though, because 147 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:02,640 Speaker 1: you need to let people learn on their own. 148 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:05,960 Speaker 2: Let them be a bit delusion. Let Adda travel overseas 149 00:06:05,960 --> 00:06:07,159 Speaker 2: with her trucks. Some people do. 150 00:06:07,279 --> 00:06:10,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, there's been a few influences of podcasters. I know 151 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:12,880 Speaker 1: Victoria Devine took her baby to Europe. She had no 152 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:15,160 Speaker 1: trouble and Michelle Battersby were talking about last week how 153 00:06:15,200 --> 00:06:17,200 Speaker 1: she traveled with her six month old son. She's got 154 00:06:17,200 --> 00:06:19,400 Speaker 1: an upgrade. Yeah, I mean, maybe you're doing it wrong. 155 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:23,640 Speaker 6: I cannot believe some of the that has been spun 156 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:25,640 Speaker 6: and the lengths that people will go to to just 157 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:30,360 Speaker 6: act like everything is rainbows and sunshines. It's like why. 158 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:35,520 Speaker 1: Ashi Bynes has relaunched her self improvement podcast two months 159 00:06:35,560 --> 00:06:40,279 Speaker 1: after her co host, Kiara Durrow left under controversial circumstances, 160 00:06:40,640 --> 00:06:43,119 Speaker 1: as she is back with a new podcast co host 161 00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:47,000 Speaker 1: who also happens to be her new bestie. Kiara approved, 162 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:49,719 Speaker 1: though she's not going to go away, quietly dropping some 163 00:06:49,880 --> 00:06:53,919 Speaker 1: juicy details about the friendship breakdown on YouTube. Now before 164 00:06:53,960 --> 00:06:56,599 Speaker 1: we get into it, can you refresh our memory? Sophie 165 00:06:56,600 --> 00:06:59,279 Speaker 1: on what went down well, as she and Kiara hosted 166 00:06:59,279 --> 00:07:02,040 Speaker 1: the Grow and Globe podcast together for around two years 167 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:05,080 Speaker 1: before they decided to pull the pin, and it was 168 00:07:05,120 --> 00:07:07,599 Speaker 1: clear that something major was going on behind the scenes 169 00:07:07,640 --> 00:07:09,200 Speaker 1: because the timing was really off. 170 00:07:09,440 --> 00:07:10,120 Speaker 2: They were set to. 171 00:07:10,080 --> 00:07:12,840 Speaker 1: Release a new product, but on the day of the launch, 172 00:07:12,920 --> 00:07:16,120 Speaker 1: they said that something suddenly came up very Marsha Brady 173 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:17,440 Speaker 1: and the product was delayed. 174 00:07:17,880 --> 00:07:18,760 Speaker 2: The pair then. 175 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:22,160 Speaker 1: Unfollowed each other on social media and released an episode 176 00:07:22,160 --> 00:07:24,440 Speaker 1: announcing Kiara's departure on the show. 177 00:07:24,840 --> 00:07:25,000 Speaker 7: Now. 178 00:07:25,080 --> 00:07:28,080 Speaker 1: Kiara claimed she was leaving to focus on her family, 179 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:30,360 Speaker 1: but it was clear there was more to it after 180 00:07:30,440 --> 00:07:32,960 Speaker 1: she made a bunch of not so subtle digs at 181 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:36,600 Speaker 1: Ashley on social media. Now, ash went out swinging, saying 182 00:07:36,600 --> 00:07:40,000 Speaker 1: she was shocked by Kiara's behavior, and Kiara then pulled 183 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:42,640 Speaker 1: the ace card organizing a dinner date. 184 00:07:42,520 --> 00:07:44,720 Speaker 2: With all of Ashey's ex best friends. 185 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:46,720 Speaker 1: It's been a lot of fun seeing this all go 186 00:07:46,840 --> 00:07:49,120 Speaker 1: down on social media, and in the new year, ash 187 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:52,600 Speaker 1: rebranded the podcast with a new co host. So to 188 00:07:52,640 --> 00:07:55,520 Speaker 1: add insult to injury, the show was appearing in the 189 00:07:55,520 --> 00:07:58,280 Speaker 1: same feed that Grow and Glow did, and also the 190 00:07:58,320 --> 00:08:01,440 Speaker 1: social media channels are the same, they've just been rebranded. 191 00:08:01,840 --> 00:08:04,840 Speaker 1: So the new podcast is called She Rises, which seems 192 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:06,960 Speaker 1: to be a bit of a potshot. 193 00:08:06,480 --> 00:08:08,160 Speaker 2: At Kiara Now. 194 00:08:08,200 --> 00:08:10,760 Speaker 1: Apparently it took Ashy in her new co host days 195 00:08:10,800 --> 00:08:13,920 Speaker 1: to brainstorm the name. They even went on to chat 196 00:08:13,960 --> 00:08:17,480 Speaker 1: GPT to see what they thought. Well, it's always useful, 197 00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:19,400 Speaker 1: I feel like everyone does, and even if they're in 198 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:22,440 Speaker 1: marketing now. I mean, while Ashy is calling it a rebrand, 199 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:25,120 Speaker 1: it really is just the same self improvement style of 200 00:08:25,160 --> 00:08:27,320 Speaker 1: content with a new label slapped on it. 201 00:08:27,400 --> 00:08:29,120 Speaker 2: So the first episode dropped. 202 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:32,280 Speaker 1: Last week and they're releasing three episodes a week, so 203 00:08:32,360 --> 00:08:33,920 Speaker 1: on Fridays they're doing something a. 204 00:08:33,920 --> 00:08:34,640 Speaker 2: Little bit different. 205 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:38,040 Speaker 1: They're calling it Freaky Friday, and it just seems to 206 00:08:38,080 --> 00:08:40,800 Speaker 1: be a ripoff of Life on Cut segment where they 207 00:08:40,800 --> 00:08:44,719 Speaker 1: read out really unfiltered things. To be fair, every podcast 208 00:08:44,760 --> 00:08:47,040 Speaker 1: has an element where they copy something, I mean from 209 00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:49,360 Speaker 1: radio shows. I mean there's so many podcasts now it's 210 00:08:49,400 --> 00:08:51,160 Speaker 1: really hard to be completely original. 211 00:08:51,320 --> 00:08:54,520 Speaker 2: Inspiration, isn't it? Yeah calls it in marketing now. 212 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:56,960 Speaker 1: It's clearly a good format and if Ash is going 213 00:08:57,040 --> 00:08:59,440 Speaker 1: to divulge personal things about her life, I think it 214 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:00,600 Speaker 1: could be a bit of a winner. 215 00:09:00,760 --> 00:09:02,160 Speaker 2: So who is the new co host? 216 00:09:02,480 --> 00:09:05,920 Speaker 1: Her name is Tiana, and funnily enough, she's not only 217 00:09:05,960 --> 00:09:08,800 Speaker 1: the co host, but Ashey's new best friend. So she's 218 00:09:08,840 --> 00:09:11,800 Speaker 1: a life coach who has around twenty nine thousand followers 219 00:09:11,800 --> 00:09:14,280 Speaker 1: on Instagram. So that has made me not want to 220 00:09:14,320 --> 00:09:16,199 Speaker 1: tune in to listen to a life coach. I can 221 00:09:16,240 --> 00:09:18,320 Speaker 1: just imagine what the content is going to be like. Well, 222 00:09:18,320 --> 00:09:19,640 Speaker 1: that's why I took one for the team and I 223 00:09:19,679 --> 00:09:21,560 Speaker 1: listened to the forty five minute episode. I did have 224 00:09:21,559 --> 00:09:24,760 Speaker 1: her on fast forward, but the pair actually met at 225 00:09:24,760 --> 00:09:27,920 Speaker 1: the gym around six months ago, and they immediately clicked, 226 00:09:27,920 --> 00:09:31,200 Speaker 1: which seems quite similar to the story that Ashi and 227 00:09:31,480 --> 00:09:35,559 Speaker 1: Kiara used to tell about their friendship. So apparently they 228 00:09:35,640 --> 00:09:37,559 Speaker 1: really bonded over the fact that they were both going 229 00:09:37,640 --> 00:09:40,800 Speaker 1: through relationship breakdown. So for Ashey it was with Kiara 230 00:09:40,960 --> 00:09:43,480 Speaker 1: and for Tiana it was with her boyfriend. It was 231 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:46,000 Speaker 1: really clear to me listening to the podcast. So Ashy 232 00:09:46,160 --> 00:09:49,000 Speaker 1: is very keen to change the image that's out there 233 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:51,240 Speaker 1: at the moment about her being a really bad friend, 234 00:09:51,320 --> 00:09:53,839 Speaker 1: because there was a lot of talk from Tiana's side 235 00:09:53,880 --> 00:09:56,800 Speaker 1: of things what a great friend Ashy is. And also 236 00:09:56,880 --> 00:09:59,480 Speaker 1: ash kept dropping that she has had the same group 237 00:09:59,480 --> 00:10:00,800 Speaker 1: of girlfriends for twenty years. 238 00:10:00,880 --> 00:10:01,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, because didn't. 239 00:10:01,720 --> 00:10:03,439 Speaker 1: As She put up a post where she was out 240 00:10:03,480 --> 00:10:05,960 Speaker 1: socializing with all of her school friends, and that came 241 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:08,720 Speaker 1: after Kiara uploaded the post where she was out with 242 00:10:08,800 --> 00:10:11,640 Speaker 1: all of as She's ex best friends. I can really 243 00:10:11,640 --> 00:10:14,920 Speaker 1: see why, because it's not really the best image to 244 00:10:14,920 --> 00:10:17,000 Speaker 1: be painted in that you can't keep friendships. It's a 245 00:10:17,040 --> 00:10:19,280 Speaker 1: bit of damage control for her. I'm seeing a few 246 00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:21,439 Speaker 1: red flags. Oh the fact that Tiana and as She 247 00:10:21,559 --> 00:10:23,880 Speaker 1: have only been friends for six months now. I don't 248 00:10:23,920 --> 00:10:26,480 Speaker 1: know if I would be diving into a business with 249 00:10:26,559 --> 00:10:27,480 Speaker 1: someone I barely know. 250 00:10:27,880 --> 00:10:30,960 Speaker 2: What is clear though, is there's probably been a written 251 00:10:31,040 --> 00:10:33,240 Speaker 2: up arrangement. This is Ash's podcast. At the end of 252 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:34,040 Speaker 2: the day, she's. 253 00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:37,560 Speaker 1: Giving Tiana an opportunity to grow her social media following 254 00:10:37,760 --> 00:10:40,160 Speaker 1: to get her name out there. She knows she has 255 00:10:40,200 --> 00:10:42,640 Speaker 1: to play the co host role. That became very clear 256 00:10:42,679 --> 00:10:44,880 Speaker 1: in this first episode because they were discussing what to 257 00:10:44,920 --> 00:10:47,520 Speaker 1: expect this coming year from the podcast and the need 258 00:10:47,600 --> 00:10:50,000 Speaker 1: for the rebrand, and not only have they increased the 259 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:52,320 Speaker 1: number of episodes that they're releasing a week, but they 260 00:10:52,400 --> 00:10:55,520 Speaker 1: talked about how they're planning a national tour and that 261 00:10:55,520 --> 00:10:58,600 Speaker 1: they're also holding what they called these intimate events where 262 00:10:58,600 --> 00:11:01,480 Speaker 1: they're going to invite say, twins people to come to 263 00:11:01,559 --> 00:11:04,560 Speaker 1: this very unique event that will never happen again, Like 264 00:11:04,600 --> 00:11:06,240 Speaker 1: each one of these small. 265 00:11:05,880 --> 00:11:07,840 Speaker 2: Events are going to be so different from. 266 00:11:07,760 --> 00:11:10,640 Speaker 1: Each other, and they're also going to be releasing their 267 00:11:10,640 --> 00:11:14,280 Speaker 1: own online course of course, And to me, seemed like 268 00:11:14,320 --> 00:11:16,800 Speaker 1: they were getting a lot of inspiration from Georgie Stevenson 269 00:11:16,840 --> 00:11:19,120 Speaker 1: because she's got a podcast called Rise and Conker, where 270 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:21,120 Speaker 1: so the names are quite similar and she has a 271 00:11:21,280 --> 00:11:24,000 Speaker 1: very successful online course. So I think as she's looking 272 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:26,079 Speaker 1: at this and thinking this is a really good money 273 00:11:26,080 --> 00:11:28,760 Speaker 1: making skill, I think it's normal to take inspiration from 274 00:11:28,760 --> 00:11:32,240 Speaker 1: other podcast as, particularly someone like Georgie Stevenson who's been 275 00:11:32,360 --> 00:11:35,680 Speaker 1: very successful by launching all of her courses. I also 276 00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:37,319 Speaker 1: think it comes down to the fact that her new 277 00:11:37,320 --> 00:11:39,560 Speaker 1: co host is a life coach and a lot of 278 00:11:39,559 --> 00:11:42,040 Speaker 1: life coaches launch courses as well. Just had a bit 279 00:11:42,040 --> 00:11:44,320 Speaker 1: of those MLM vibes to me, and it was quite 280 00:11:44,320 --> 00:11:48,240 Speaker 1: funny because they kept referencing the uniform that they now 281 00:11:48,280 --> 00:11:50,600 Speaker 1: wear on the podcast. So before when it was Ashy 282 00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:53,600 Speaker 1: and Kiara, they used to wear like dress up a 283 00:11:53,600 --> 00:11:56,199 Speaker 1: bit and wear suit jackets and try and look a 284 00:11:56,240 --> 00:11:58,920 Speaker 1: bit corporate, whereas now they've gone for the tact to 285 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:02,000 Speaker 1: call their daddy and they were branded tracksuits. But they 286 00:12:02,040 --> 00:12:04,000 Speaker 1: were kind of talking about it as if it was 287 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:06,600 Speaker 1: this new, wacky idea, and I'm like, it's. 288 00:12:06,559 --> 00:12:08,000 Speaker 2: Just what Alex Kuper does. 289 00:12:08,040 --> 00:12:10,560 Speaker 1: I love that Kiara chose the week of the podcast 290 00:12:10,679 --> 00:12:13,319 Speaker 1: rebrand to share her own juicy Q and A where 291 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:15,720 Speaker 1: she answered a lot of follow up questions, and of 292 00:12:15,760 --> 00:12:18,199 Speaker 1: course most of them had to do with the fallout 293 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:20,560 Speaker 1: with Ashy. It's funny because a lot of people have 294 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:23,200 Speaker 1: been talking about how she's allegedly been slapped with a 295 00:12:23,240 --> 00:12:25,480 Speaker 1: gag order, but it seems like she's a lot more 296 00:12:25,520 --> 00:12:27,480 Speaker 1: confident to share what happened. 297 00:12:27,720 --> 00:12:27,880 Speaker 7: Well. 298 00:12:27,920 --> 00:12:30,880 Speaker 1: To begin with, Kiara's spoken code a little bit about 299 00:12:30,920 --> 00:12:33,200 Speaker 1: how much better she's feeling now that she doesn't have 300 00:12:33,240 --> 00:12:35,959 Speaker 1: as much pressure on her. So she said the pressure 301 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:38,840 Speaker 1: made her have raging anxiety, and when asked what her 302 00:12:38,880 --> 00:12:41,199 Speaker 1: biggest lesson of the year was, she said. 303 00:12:40,960 --> 00:12:46,720 Speaker 6: This, don't underestimate what people will do with malicious intent. 304 00:12:47,520 --> 00:12:48,600 Speaker 2: That's all I have to say. 305 00:12:49,280 --> 00:12:54,400 Speaker 6: Don't underestimate. Yeah, and that if you feel like you 306 00:12:54,440 --> 00:12:56,920 Speaker 6: can't be yourself around people, then they're not your people 307 00:12:57,800 --> 00:13:01,800 Speaker 6: and just listen to your guard Like I know I've 308 00:13:01,800 --> 00:13:05,320 Speaker 6: said that, but far out, like I knew, my body 309 00:13:05,440 --> 00:13:06,400 Speaker 6: showed me signs. 310 00:13:08,160 --> 00:13:11,320 Speaker 1: The image that Kiara is painting of Ashy is in 311 00:13:11,360 --> 00:13:14,040 Speaker 1: complete contrast to what ash is trying to paint of herself. 312 00:13:14,080 --> 00:13:16,719 Speaker 1: And it's funny because I actually watched Kiara's YouTube Q 313 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:18,959 Speaker 1: and A before listening to the podcast, and I just 314 00:13:19,040 --> 00:13:22,600 Speaker 1: kept laughing because it seems like Ashy is so keen 315 00:13:22,679 --> 00:13:25,440 Speaker 1: to push this image of herself that again might not 316 00:13:25,559 --> 00:13:28,040 Speaker 1: be the person that she is behind the scenes. Then again, 317 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:30,320 Speaker 1: there's two sides to every story as well. Of course, 318 00:13:30,320 --> 00:13:32,200 Speaker 1: someone you have a bust up with, you're gonna not 319 00:13:32,280 --> 00:13:34,880 Speaker 1: paint in a very nice life. I enjoyed how pointed 320 00:13:34,960 --> 00:13:38,400 Speaker 1: the answers got as they went along, because Kiara revealed 321 00:13:38,400 --> 00:13:40,319 Speaker 1: that she felt like she was very much on a 322 00:13:40,440 --> 00:13:43,400 Speaker 1: high horse when she was on the Grow and Glow podcast, 323 00:13:43,800 --> 00:13:46,000 Speaker 1: but she said this caused her to lose a lot 324 00:13:46,040 --> 00:13:46,760 Speaker 1: of her followers. 325 00:13:46,840 --> 00:13:47,040 Speaker 2: Yeah. 326 00:13:47,040 --> 00:13:49,680 Speaker 1: I noticed a lot of people in the YouTube comment said, Oh, 327 00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:52,560 Speaker 1: I've actually only started re following you after you left 328 00:13:52,600 --> 00:13:55,439 Speaker 1: ashe Bines's podcast, and I unfollowed you because you were 329 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:58,880 Speaker 1: on it. So it's quite interesting the detrimental impact that 330 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:00,560 Speaker 1: pairing had on Kiara. 331 00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:00,880 Speaker 3: Yeah. 332 00:14:00,920 --> 00:14:03,240 Speaker 1: Well, she even labeled her friendship with Ash as being 333 00:14:03,280 --> 00:14:06,080 Speaker 1: full on and for Kiara, the podcast was meant to 334 00:14:06,120 --> 00:14:08,720 Speaker 1: be this fun side project, but she said that as 335 00:14:08,760 --> 00:14:11,520 Speaker 1: she took it way more seriously. This is what she said, 336 00:14:12,760 --> 00:14:13,840 Speaker 1: what really went down? 337 00:14:13,920 --> 00:14:17,000 Speaker 6: Do you miss the friendship? I'll just kind of answer 338 00:14:17,040 --> 00:14:20,800 Speaker 6: that second question there. What really went down? Probably more 339 00:14:20,840 --> 00:14:24,040 Speaker 6: than you would think. Yeah, they got very very nasty 340 00:14:24,120 --> 00:14:30,880 Speaker 6: at the end, Yeah, hm, I feel like, you know, 341 00:14:30,920 --> 00:14:32,840 Speaker 6: obviously we're going through a lot of stuff with Miller. 342 00:14:33,280 --> 00:14:35,640 Speaker 6: And as soon as I started to take a step back, 343 00:14:35,680 --> 00:14:37,400 Speaker 6: I'd quit and I said, like I'm done, like I 344 00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:40,840 Speaker 6: want to focus on my family, Like yeah, things just 345 00:14:40,840 --> 00:14:43,760 Speaker 6: started to hit the fan. And I decided from that 346 00:14:43,760 --> 00:14:46,040 Speaker 6: moment on with like, I'm not putting work before my 347 00:14:46,080 --> 00:14:48,680 Speaker 6: family and I'm not caring what other people think or 348 00:14:48,680 --> 00:14:50,840 Speaker 6: who I let down or who I upset, because like, 349 00:14:50,880 --> 00:14:51,720 Speaker 6: make kids need me. 350 00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:55,280 Speaker 1: My favorite bit of the Q and A was when 351 00:14:55,360 --> 00:14:58,320 Speaker 1: Kiara's husband Kirk came in. He had just got out 352 00:14:58,320 --> 00:15:02,080 Speaker 1: of the shower and he gave to ashe's husband Steve. 353 00:15:02,200 --> 00:15:05,680 Speaker 2: Let's throw to what he said. I hope the kids 354 00:15:05,720 --> 00:15:06,240 Speaker 2: are well. 355 00:15:06,320 --> 00:15:08,320 Speaker 6: And are you still friends with Ashy? 356 00:15:08,480 --> 00:15:09,240 Speaker 2: Absolutely not? 357 00:15:10,080 --> 00:15:11,360 Speaker 7: Who's that girl? 358 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:15,440 Speaker 6: Don't know? Not friends with Ashy and definitely not step 359 00:15:15,480 --> 00:15:20,200 Speaker 6: friends with Steve either. Friend of you guys could read 360 00:15:20,200 --> 00:15:21,880 Speaker 6: the text messages between Curt and him. 361 00:15:23,160 --> 00:15:24,920 Speaker 2: Oh that was some pretty ruthless things. 362 00:15:26,960 --> 00:15:31,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, don't you love when the husbands just say it 363 00:15:31,520 --> 00:15:32,120 Speaker 1: how it is. 364 00:15:33,080 --> 00:15:36,120 Speaker 7: When your house burns down, you have nothing in your parents' 365 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:39,200 Speaker 7: house burns down and they have nothing. There's only one 366 00:15:39,200 --> 00:15:42,680 Speaker 7: thing that could maybe make you feel better a bag 367 00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:47,480 Speaker 7: of vegels. Obviously, I'm in shock and my brain's not functioning, 368 00:15:47,560 --> 00:15:51,760 Speaker 7: so I think this is the most unhinged first you've seen. 369 00:15:53,360 --> 00:15:55,760 Speaker 1: Over the last week, the world has watched on in 370 00:15:55,840 --> 00:15:59,160 Speaker 1: horror as wildfires have ripped through LA. At the time 371 00:15:59,200 --> 00:16:02,080 Speaker 1: of recording, it's sixteen people have lost their lives and 372 00:16:02,120 --> 00:16:05,920 Speaker 1: more than five thousand homes have been destroyed. The wildfires 373 00:16:05,960 --> 00:16:10,479 Speaker 1: have not discriminated, decimating the multi million dollar homes of celebrities, 374 00:16:10,520 --> 00:16:14,560 Speaker 1: including Paris Hilton, Adam Brody, and reality stars Heidi and 375 00:16:14,600 --> 00:16:17,320 Speaker 1: Spencer Pratt. Now one of the biggest pop culture stories 376 00:16:17,360 --> 00:16:19,480 Speaker 1: to come out of the fires has been the shock 377 00:16:19,560 --> 00:16:23,240 Speaker 1: career resurrection of Heidi and Spencer, who have managed to 378 00:16:23,240 --> 00:16:25,240 Speaker 1: turn their devastation into success. 379 00:16:25,400 --> 00:16:25,600 Speaker 2: Yeah. 380 00:16:25,600 --> 00:16:27,600 Speaker 1: I can safely say that one thing I didn't have 381 00:16:27,600 --> 00:16:30,520 Speaker 1: on my bingo card for this year was Heidi Montag's 382 00:16:30,520 --> 00:16:34,440 Speaker 1: twenty ten album Superficial, being number one on the iTunes 383 00:16:34,560 --> 00:16:37,880 Speaker 1: charts in the US, Canada and Australia. I've actually had 384 00:16:37,880 --> 00:16:41,160 Speaker 1: her single Body Language on a Spotify playlist for years now, 385 00:16:41,240 --> 00:16:43,040 Speaker 1: so I feel ahead of the time. 386 00:16:43,200 --> 00:16:45,240 Speaker 2: It's very nostalgic hearing her old songs. 387 00:16:45,280 --> 00:16:48,080 Speaker 1: I mean it is super techno like, I mean, it's 388 00:16:48,160 --> 00:16:51,040 Speaker 1: barely her voice at this stage. It's a fucking banger though. 389 00:16:51,160 --> 00:16:52,320 Speaker 2: And she perform at. 390 00:16:52,200 --> 00:16:55,880 Speaker 1: The Victorious Secrets runway show years ago. Yeah, I think 391 00:16:55,880 --> 00:16:57,000 Speaker 1: that would have been in twenty ten. 392 00:16:57,040 --> 00:16:57,840 Speaker 2: And we'll explain in. 393 00:16:57,840 --> 00:17:00,560 Speaker 1: More detail how this has charted so highly. But for 394 00:17:00,640 --> 00:17:03,360 Speaker 1: those gen zeas wondering who the hell are Heidi and 395 00:17:03,400 --> 00:17:07,440 Speaker 1: Spencer Pratt Spidey, Yeah, Spidey as they're better known. They 396 00:17:07,440 --> 00:17:09,879 Speaker 1: are from a hit reality show called The Heels and 397 00:17:09,920 --> 00:17:12,960 Speaker 1: this was loved by millennials all around the world. You 398 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:15,280 Speaker 1: were either team Heidi or Team Lauren. I was on 399 00:17:15,359 --> 00:17:17,359 Speaker 1: Team Lauren at the time. But there's a lot of 400 00:17:17,400 --> 00:17:19,720 Speaker 1: people coming out of the woodwork saying, I think we 401 00:17:19,800 --> 00:17:21,960 Speaker 1: watched the show wrong. Yeah, that's because a lot of 402 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:25,720 Speaker 1: people despised Spencer. He was painted as the villain on 403 00:17:25,800 --> 00:17:29,600 Speaker 1: the Hills for perceivably breaking up Lauren and Heidi's friendship, 404 00:17:29,840 --> 00:17:32,119 Speaker 1: and it's quite clear from some of his recent tiktoks 405 00:17:32,119 --> 00:17:35,439 Speaker 1: that he still dislikes Lauren or Elsie is l like 406 00:17:35,480 --> 00:17:37,840 Speaker 1: ce to she refer to her. But I think people 407 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:40,679 Speaker 1: are realizing that he has a great sense of humor. 408 00:17:40,720 --> 00:17:42,120 Speaker 2: That is a bit he's a bit of a showman. 409 00:17:42,280 --> 00:17:44,600 Speaker 1: But that's a confusing thing because Spencer has spoken a 410 00:17:44,640 --> 00:17:46,520 Speaker 1: lot about how the Heels was fake and he and 411 00:17:46,600 --> 00:17:50,320 Speaker 1: Heidi were actually told to have all these fights and 412 00:17:50,359 --> 00:17:52,879 Speaker 1: their relationship was actually really good behind the scenes and 413 00:17:52,920 --> 00:17:53,760 Speaker 1: it was all for show. 414 00:17:54,080 --> 00:17:55,919 Speaker 2: But then he really hates Lauren. 415 00:17:56,040 --> 00:17:58,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, but I think that's part of his sense of humor. 416 00:17:58,840 --> 00:18:01,760 Speaker 1: And it's amazing he's been able to go from being 417 00:18:01,760 --> 00:18:04,960 Speaker 1: one of the most hated villains on reality TV to 418 00:18:05,040 --> 00:18:07,879 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty five being so well loved, Like we 419 00:18:07,920 --> 00:18:11,280 Speaker 1: are seeing celebrities getting behind Heidi and Spencer, and this 420 00:18:11,359 --> 00:18:14,560 Speaker 1: is because he has been documenting his experience with the 421 00:18:14,600 --> 00:18:17,760 Speaker 1: Palisades fires. So Heidi and Spencer were one of the 422 00:18:17,760 --> 00:18:21,800 Speaker 1: first celebrity couples to open up about losing their home online. 423 00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:24,399 Speaker 1: They were pretty much live streaming when it was happening. 424 00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:27,960 Speaker 1: There were very dramatic pictures that they were sharing across TikTok. 425 00:18:28,080 --> 00:18:30,560 Speaker 1: I couldn't believe that they were still there at the 426 00:18:30,600 --> 00:18:32,840 Speaker 1: time to film it. It looked like a wall of 427 00:18:32,960 --> 00:18:37,040 Speaker 1: fire coming for their house. Well, Spencer actually shared CCTV 428 00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:40,119 Speaker 1: vision on TikTok taken from inside his home and it 429 00:18:40,160 --> 00:18:43,680 Speaker 1: showed the fire ripping through his two small son's rooms. 430 00:18:44,040 --> 00:18:47,040 Speaker 1: And since then a number of his videos have amassed 431 00:18:47,160 --> 00:18:50,920 Speaker 1: millions and millions of views, including this video of Spencer 432 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:53,440 Speaker 1: showing his followers what was left of their home. 433 00:18:54,920 --> 00:18:57,080 Speaker 7: Not sure we're going to be able to wash anything 434 00:18:57,119 --> 00:19:04,520 Speaker 7: in this setup anymore clothes? They no, definitely will keep 435 00:19:04,600 --> 00:19:08,640 Speaker 7: that fountain. There is a breadmaker. 436 00:19:10,080 --> 00:19:10,919 Speaker 4: It's exciting. 437 00:19:12,240 --> 00:19:14,520 Speaker 1: It was really fascinating to see him go back and 438 00:19:14,560 --> 00:19:17,840 Speaker 1: see the random objects that had made it somehow. 439 00:19:18,040 --> 00:19:19,119 Speaker 2: It was like a rubber snake. 440 00:19:19,200 --> 00:19:19,359 Speaker 1: I was. 441 00:19:19,680 --> 00:19:21,080 Speaker 2: I'm sure they're thrilled at that last. 442 00:19:21,359 --> 00:19:23,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, and like they had their swing their kids swing sets. 443 00:19:23,920 --> 00:19:25,720 Speaker 1: Oh the farming bird pot as well. 444 00:19:25,800 --> 00:19:26,119 Speaker 5: Yeah. 445 00:19:26,160 --> 00:19:28,119 Speaker 2: But he is known well. 446 00:19:28,119 --> 00:19:30,000 Speaker 1: He has a crystal business. It was it called Pratt 447 00:19:30,080 --> 00:19:33,760 Speaker 1: Daddy Crystal, and he was so upset because his crystals 448 00:19:33,800 --> 00:19:36,080 Speaker 1: didn't make it. He had spent so much money. They 449 00:19:36,119 --> 00:19:38,600 Speaker 1: had been shattered. They were just everywhere. I know a 450 00:19:38,640 --> 00:19:41,400 Speaker 1: lot of people were really invested in whether the big 451 00:19:41,480 --> 00:19:43,680 Speaker 1: prints of Heidi and Spencer that would feature in a 452 00:19:43,720 --> 00:19:45,639 Speaker 1: lot of their tiktoks had made it. And they did not. 453 00:19:45,760 --> 00:19:47,239 Speaker 1: They didn't manage to get them out. I mean, they 454 00:19:47,240 --> 00:19:49,399 Speaker 1: were huge. I can see why. Heidi said that she 455 00:19:49,520 --> 00:19:52,280 Speaker 1: only left the house mainly with clothes for her children 456 00:19:52,280 --> 00:19:54,080 Speaker 1: and two pairs of jeans, and she's like, I just 457 00:19:54,119 --> 00:19:56,720 Speaker 1: didn't even know what to take. The only clothes that 458 00:19:56,760 --> 00:20:00,359 Speaker 1: Spencer took with him a Heidi Montag merch and also 459 00:20:00,520 --> 00:20:03,840 Speaker 1: he's Taylor Swift merchandise because he is a massive Taylor 460 00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:07,359 Speaker 1: Swift fan. He really got into Taylor Swift when she 461 00:20:07,440 --> 00:20:09,960 Speaker 1: dropped her Reputation album and he was one of the 462 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:13,359 Speaker 1: only big celebrities to pump up her album lost a 463 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:15,160 Speaker 1: lot of them turned their backs on her. I mean, 464 00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:17,760 Speaker 1: I think he hates the Kardashians because he was famously 465 00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:21,200 Speaker 1: friends with Brody Jenna on the Heels and Brody is 466 00:20:21,240 --> 00:20:23,439 Speaker 1: the stepbrother of Kim Kardashian and they had a massive 467 00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:26,800 Speaker 1: falling out. My favorite TikTok he has released so far 468 00:20:27,359 --> 00:20:30,200 Speaker 1: is when he was celebrating hitting a million followers on 469 00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:34,800 Speaker 1: TikTok so. It's quite ironic since his house has burnt down, 470 00:20:35,200 --> 00:20:38,040 Speaker 1: he has gained over six hundred and sixty five thousand 471 00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:41,480 Speaker 1: followers on TikTok so. He's cracked that milestone that he's 472 00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:44,520 Speaker 1: wanted for so long. This is what he said about. 473 00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:48,560 Speaker 7: It, cheers, thank you to a million followers on TikTok. 474 00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:50,639 Speaker 7: Who would have thought, oh, I need it is our 475 00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:53,720 Speaker 7: house to burn down and to finally hit a million 476 00:20:55,280 --> 00:20:56,840 Speaker 7: camp with I didn't think of that sooner. 477 00:20:58,160 --> 00:20:58,320 Speaker 6: Now. 478 00:20:58,359 --> 00:21:01,560 Speaker 1: He entitled that video Dark Humor, and I think that 479 00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:04,600 Speaker 1: this is why he's becoming so popular because everybody is 480 00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:07,240 Speaker 1: loving his jokes. Now, at the time of recording, that 481 00:21:07,359 --> 00:21:11,200 Speaker 1: video has been viewed nearly seven million times. His TikTok 482 00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:15,000 Speaker 1: follow account now sits at one point six million. It 483 00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:18,280 Speaker 1: reminds me a lot of when Liam Payne's girlfriend Kate 484 00:21:18,359 --> 00:21:21,960 Speaker 1: Cassidy hit that one million mark on TikTok after he died. Yeah, 485 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:24,679 Speaker 1: it is tragic when it's in circumstances like this that 486 00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:27,000 Speaker 1: someone's career really takes off as something that they've been 487 00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:28,679 Speaker 1: wanting for so long, but you don't really want to 488 00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:29,320 Speaker 1: celebrate it. 489 00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:29,640 Speaker 3: Yeah. 490 00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:32,800 Speaker 1: Well, what's been so fascinating is watching how clever Spencer 491 00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:36,199 Speaker 1: has been a directing all of this sudden attention. So 492 00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:39,520 Speaker 1: in a TikTok live with Perez Hilton, Heidi and Spencer 493 00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:43,520 Speaker 1: revealed their insurance company dropped them just weeks before the fires. 494 00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:45,320 Speaker 2: Let's have a listen to what they said. 495 00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:48,800 Speaker 7: I want to sue Farmers. They knew this was going 496 00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:49,280 Speaker 7: to happen. 497 00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:52,560 Speaker 2: I like, we had and we and we. 498 00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:56,840 Speaker 7: Paid for nine years with Farmers, you know, like, so 499 00:21:57,000 --> 00:21:58,960 Speaker 7: all that money was for another They didn't drop us me. 500 00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:02,919 Speaker 7: They don't renew you after the malbifires. They didn't renew 501 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:04,479 Speaker 7: like anyone in the pala scenes. 502 00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:08,240 Speaker 1: Sadly, this has been the case for so many people 503 00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:11,680 Speaker 1: caught up in these wildfires. I just cannot believe it. See, 504 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:14,360 Speaker 1: I didn't know that they had been dropped by their insurer, 505 00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:17,040 Speaker 1: and suddenly I saw this go fund me page pop 506 00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:20,480 Speaker 1: up because the couple were sharing it on their own Instagram, and. 507 00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:22,960 Speaker 2: I was like, ooh, that's not going to be a 508 00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:23,480 Speaker 2: good look. 509 00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:27,119 Speaker 1: Because there's been a lot of conversations around the fact 510 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:30,800 Speaker 1: that there's so much attention into these celebrities houses burning 511 00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:33,200 Speaker 1: down and should we feel sorry for them because they're rich. 512 00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:36,280 Speaker 1: I mean, I totally disagree with that rhetoric. Of course, 513 00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:39,120 Speaker 1: we should have empathy for people who have lost their houses. 514 00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:41,240 Speaker 1: I mean, yes, they have a lot of money, but 515 00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:43,639 Speaker 1: a lot of money within those houses. Like yeah, but 516 00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:45,800 Speaker 1: it's not even just that losing their houses. They have 517 00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:49,639 Speaker 1: lost photos, exact memories and just yeah, I saw Paris 518 00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:51,840 Speaker 1: Hilton talking about the fact that she no longer has 519 00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:54,399 Speaker 1: the house that her son shared his first steps in 520 00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:56,320 Speaker 1: and all those sorts of things, and I think we 521 00:22:56,400 --> 00:22:59,520 Speaker 1: need to look at this as people and actually, you know, 522 00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:00,639 Speaker 1: they're just people like us. 523 00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:02,200 Speaker 2: Yes, they've got money, but. 524 00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:05,920 Speaker 1: Also a lot of these celebrities and just everyday people, 525 00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:09,320 Speaker 1: as we touched on, they don't have insurance, so they 526 00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:12,159 Speaker 1: are left with absolutely nothing and have to rebuild. Well, 527 00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:14,760 Speaker 1: this GoFundMe account, it was actually set up by Heidi 528 00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:17,879 Speaker 1: and Spencer's friend and they put a goal of raising 529 00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:21,080 Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty thousand dollars. At the time of recording, 530 00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:24,280 Speaker 1: it has already raised ninety five thousand dollars, which, as 531 00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:26,440 Speaker 1: you said, Kate, this is massive when you think about 532 00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:29,639 Speaker 1: all the rhetoric going on about celebrities and how entitled 533 00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:32,439 Speaker 1: they are, and it shows you how clever they have 534 00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:36,800 Speaker 1: been at remarketing themselves. Let's have a listen to Heidi 535 00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:39,679 Speaker 1: and Spencer fighting back against the criticism in this interview 536 00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:41,919 Speaker 1: with Perez Hilton, It's. 537 00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:44,440 Speaker 5: So crazy because when people are like, oh, you guys 538 00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:48,080 Speaker 5: are rich and famous, like everything we've ever made is 539 00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:50,840 Speaker 5: in that house. We're not on a TV show. Our 540 00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:54,639 Speaker 5: podcast got canceled, Like we were just already struggling to 541 00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:58,280 Speaker 5: have like an income and then to have everything we 542 00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:03,080 Speaker 5: had in that how start to are kids like paintings 543 00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:10,919 Speaker 5: and drines like the care well what soulves that? 544 00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:12,040 Speaker 4: You know? 545 00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:15,159 Speaker 7: My favorite thing about this experience, though the rebranding is, 546 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:17,800 Speaker 7: for like the last fifteen years, all I've seen on 547 00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:21,200 Speaker 7: social media is I was a broke, washup celebrity or 548 00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:27,480 Speaker 7: like dealist. Now now I'm a rich celebrity that who cares. 549 00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:31,280 Speaker 7: So the good news is hopefully my Google changes and 550 00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:33,600 Speaker 7: it's like rich celebrity with lots of money. 551 00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:37,160 Speaker 1: I agree with what they're saying here. I mean neither 552 00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:39,840 Speaker 1: Heidi or Spencer before this incident were at the peak 553 00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:42,480 Speaker 1: of their fame. They made a lot of their fortune 554 00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:44,560 Speaker 1: off the back of a reality show that aired in 555 00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:47,520 Speaker 1: the twenty tens, and since then they have been desperately 556 00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:50,439 Speaker 1: trying to get any attention, whether it's through Heidi's new 557 00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:53,800 Speaker 1: music or his prat Daddy crystals. I mean, these aren't 558 00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:56,960 Speaker 1: people that have a huge amount of money sitting in 559 00:24:56,960 --> 00:24:59,520 Speaker 1: the battle. They said that their podcast has been canceled 560 00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:02,159 Speaker 1: and the only way they can really make money is 561 00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:04,439 Speaker 1: through either TikTok, which they've been doing a lot of 562 00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:07,400 Speaker 1: live streams and people have been donating money. And then 563 00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:10,320 Speaker 1: Spencer came up with the great idea of let's get 564 00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:13,040 Speaker 1: Heidi's songs back in the charts. If you stream them, 565 00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:16,440 Speaker 1: we make money. And this is exactly what has happened. 566 00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:20,280 Speaker 1: As we mentioned earlier, Heidi's songs have gone number one. 567 00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:22,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, even m Rada was backing them. 568 00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:25,000 Speaker 1: So she posted a TikTok with Heidi's song playing, saying 569 00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:27,800 Speaker 1: didn't expect this Heidi Montag song to be the soundtrack 570 00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:30,040 Speaker 1: to the twenty twenty five apocalypse, but you know what? 571 00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:30,720 Speaker 2: Fuck yeah. 572 00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:33,680 Speaker 1: Well, some fans were asking Spencer, oh, shall we start 573 00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:35,840 Speaker 1: watching the hills, like do you get royalties from that? 574 00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:37,760 Speaker 1: And He's like, that is the worst thing that you 575 00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:40,520 Speaker 1: could do. He even took a swipe at Lauren Conrad 576 00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:42,480 Speaker 1: again saying he doesn't want fans to give up a 577 00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:45,760 Speaker 1: single brain cell listening to the narrator. Do you think 578 00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:47,639 Speaker 1: this has short lived attention or do you think that 579 00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:49,800 Speaker 1: Heidi and Spencer are going to be able to leap 580 00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:51,680 Speaker 1: frog from this. So I think they might be able 581 00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:54,000 Speaker 1: to leap frog because there's currently calls for them to 582 00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:56,760 Speaker 1: have their own reality show. So fans are saying they 583 00:25:56,800 --> 00:25:59,560 Speaker 1: want to see them rebuilding their lives after the fires, 584 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:03,119 Speaker 1: and Spencer revealed on Sunday that his management has a 585 00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:06,080 Speaker 1: meeting with Hulu this week, so he has asked all 586 00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:09,560 Speaker 1: of his followers to spam the Hulu social media accounts 587 00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:12,560 Speaker 1: calling for them to have their own reality show. I mean, 588 00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:15,400 Speaker 1: I would one hundred percent watch this. I would love it. 589 00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:17,639 Speaker 1: I really hope that happens. The only bad thing for 590 00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:21,520 Speaker 1: Heidi and Spencer though, is the timing of their TikTok rise. 591 00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:24,200 Speaker 1: I mean, they've both now got over a million followers, 592 00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:27,240 Speaker 1: but TikTok is meant to be being phased out in America, 593 00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:29,800 Speaker 1: so they may no longer be able to get lots 594 00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:32,520 Speaker 1: of money from their TikTok lives. It will hopefully that 595 00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:36,080 Speaker 1: following support them on a different social media platform. 596 00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:38,760 Speaker 4: I don't see the point in making my name. I 597 00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:40,880 Speaker 4: have no attachment and I've already got rid of it. 598 00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:47,680 Speaker 1: Or Chap bil Abby Chatfield has shocked her followers by 599 00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:52,240 Speaker 1: revealing her last name isn't legally Chatfield. So Abby made 600 00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:55,679 Speaker 1: this confession after telling her followers that she's begun looking 601 00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:59,800 Speaker 1: into reserving the Instagram handle Abbi Hyde after having a 602 00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:02,960 Speaker 1: few glasses of chardonnay at an influencer event. Heide is 603 00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:05,440 Speaker 1: of course the last name of her boyfriend, Adam, who 604 00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:08,080 Speaker 1: is a musician in Peaking Duck. So things seem to 605 00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:09,360 Speaker 1: be getting very serious. 606 00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:10,440 Speaker 2: I've never heard. 607 00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:12,080 Speaker 1: Abby talking about someone in this way. 608 00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:12,280 Speaker 3: Well. 609 00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:14,639 Speaker 1: Abby said that she wasn't planning on telling Adam that 610 00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:17,560 Speaker 1: she'd looked into reserving the name. She was only going 611 00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:19,639 Speaker 1: to do it on the slide. But then she discovered, 612 00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:22,560 Speaker 1: of course that it was taken. Remember last year there 613 00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:24,920 Speaker 1: was a socialite that got in trouble for doing this. 614 00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:28,800 Speaker 1: So she got married and the surname was actually quite unusual, 615 00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:31,359 Speaker 1: but someone had it as their finster account and she 616 00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:34,000 Speaker 1: tried to buy it off them, and then they ended 617 00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:36,600 Speaker 1: up shaming her publicly on Reddit. Do you think that 618 00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:40,280 Speaker 1: some people go and reserve these names purposely, like they 619 00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:43,760 Speaker 1: see that there's these celebrities in these relationships that look 620 00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:45,560 Speaker 1: like they're blossoming, and they're like fuck, I'm gonna make 621 00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:47,840 Speaker 1: some money by reserving this name. I don't know if, 622 00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:50,040 Speaker 1: in the case of Abby, if someone would have done it, because, 623 00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:52,680 Speaker 1: if anything, I would have thought that Abbi would want 624 00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:55,120 Speaker 1: to keep her maiden name. And a lot of Abby's 625 00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:57,920 Speaker 1: followers were begging her to keep her maiden name if 626 00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:00,679 Speaker 1: she married Adam. And this is when she the bomb 627 00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:03,919 Speaker 1: that she no longer went by the name Chatfield legally 628 00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:06,080 Speaker 1: and that she had changed it two years ago to 629 00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:08,639 Speaker 1: another family name. There were so many people who were 630 00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:11,080 Speaker 1: intrigued and saying, please tell us what the last name is, 631 00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:14,320 Speaker 1: but she declined. Let's have a listen to Abby's reasoning 632 00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:15,320 Speaker 1: for changing her name. 633 00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:19,080 Speaker 4: I have no emotional attachment to the name Chatfield or 634 00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:22,399 Speaker 4: my current surname. And the thing is, you have to 635 00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:25,080 Speaker 4: have a man's surname. If I'm going to have a 636 00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:28,000 Speaker 4: man's surname, I want it to be a man that 637 00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:30,880 Speaker 4: I love and respect and loves and respects me, over 638 00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:32,240 Speaker 4: a man that left his family. 639 00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:36,560 Speaker 1: I think a lot of people were initially surprised because 640 00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:39,720 Speaker 1: they thought Abby, being such a stout feminist, she'd want 641 00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:41,440 Speaker 1: to keep her name. But this actually makes a lot 642 00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:43,440 Speaker 1: of sense. Why would you want to keep the name 643 00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:45,480 Speaker 1: of your dad, who you've got no relationship. 644 00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:46,480 Speaker 2: I understand it. 645 00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:48,760 Speaker 1: I actually liked what she said in that I would 646 00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:50,880 Speaker 1: rather take the name of a man who I love 647 00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:54,600 Speaker 1: and respect. Have you looked up Sophie Hancock on Instagram, 648 00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:57,200 Speaker 1: then there's so many Sophie Hancock's on there. I decided 649 00:28:57,200 --> 00:29:00,640 Speaker 1: to keep Sophie Torbo as handle because I've thought for 650 00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:03,920 Speaker 1: all of my work, I go by my maiden name. 651 00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:06,320 Speaker 1: I actually haven't legally changed my name yet. I kind 652 00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:08,280 Speaker 1: of want to do it with all my babies born. See, 653 00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:10,840 Speaker 1: I have actually legally changed my last name to Turner, 654 00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:13,680 Speaker 1: but I couldn't change my handle even if I wanted to. 655 00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:16,160 Speaker 1: There are that many Kate Turners, and I thought one 656 00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:18,479 Speaker 1: of the advantages to changing my name would be at 657 00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:20,400 Speaker 1: the shots when they go, oh, what's your surname? And 658 00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:22,720 Speaker 1: I don't have to spell torbout But I've still got 659 00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:25,160 Speaker 1: it as my email address. And I tried to get 660 00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:26,640 Speaker 1: a Kate Turner Gmail. 661 00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:28,840 Speaker 2: Nothing, not even. 662 00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:31,400 Speaker 1: My middle name, no numbers, like it was literally all taken. 663 00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:33,640 Speaker 1: This had a terrible thought. Do you think people reserve 664 00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:36,960 Speaker 1: Instagram handles for their children? Well, I hope not. My 665 00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:38,840 Speaker 1: son is not going to get one pretty easily. Yeah, 666 00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:40,160 Speaker 1: I think Jack Turner, there would be a lot of 667 00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:42,320 Speaker 1: kids called it. Surely Instagram will be dead by the 668 00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:45,160 Speaker 1: time people's children now look at TikTok. I mean that's 669 00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:47,480 Speaker 1: going to be gone in the US. Sarah's day reserve 670 00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:50,680 Speaker 1: one for Fox Fox Ocean. Probably not all that wouldn't 671 00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:51,160 Speaker 1: surprise me. 672 00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:51,800 Speaker 3: Yeah. 673 00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:54,040 Speaker 1: Well, that's all we've got time for today. Thank you 674 00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:56,160 Speaker 1: for listening to another episode. If you do want to 675 00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:58,640 Speaker 1: hear more content from us, we do have a subscriber 676 00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:02,080 Speaker 1: channel called Outspoken Last. We drop episodes every week on 677 00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:04,959 Speaker 1: a Thursday. On Thursday, we are going to be discussing 678 00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:09,200 Speaker 1: the viral bride who washed her makeup off twenty minutes 679 00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:11,920 Speaker 1: before her first look with her husband. This sent shivers 680 00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:14,600 Speaker 1: down my spine. This is my worst nightmare. Yeah, I 681 00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:16,520 Speaker 1: know that's something you would do, though, so because you're 682 00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:18,160 Speaker 1: so picky about things, it is. 683 00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:18,960 Speaker 2: Something that I would do. 684 00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:22,320 Speaker 1: That's why I was literally felt so uncomfortable watching it. 685 00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:24,760 Speaker 1: Can you imagine the pressure to make your makeup look 686 00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:27,400 Speaker 1: good after one having to wash it off? I would 687 00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:28,120 Speaker 1: get each y eyed. 688 00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:30,920 Speaker 2: Let's say I would save it for a lot of thoughts 689 00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:32,000 Speaker 2: about that. Yeah, well, this. 690 00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:34,640 Speaker 1: Podcast was recorded on the traditional land of the Ghana 691 00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:37,000 Speaker 1: people of the adelaid Planes. 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