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Speaker 1: who this week re entered the Big Brother House. The
Speaker 1: mother of all reality shows is now well and truly
Speaker 1: into its second week of Mayhem on Channel seven. So
Speaker 1: I thought I would catch up with my friend Tully
Speaker 1: and get the inside scoop on her latest Soisrae back
Speaker 1: on reality TV? I think fans of the show have
Speaker 1: been rubbing their little hands together in anticipation of how
Speaker 1: she will react to ex boyfriend Drew and his new
Speaker 1: relationship with housemates Sam. The nation has been following Tully
Speaker 1: over the last nine years since her Big Brother debut,
Speaker 1: and while her on and off again relationship with Anthony
Speaker 1: Drew has well and truly been off for quite some time.
Speaker 1: This kind of awkward stitch up is where Big Brother
Speaker 1: really shines, as it's the fly on the wall human behavior,
Speaker 1: which Tully does really well. On today's episode, we will
Speaker 1: find out how she felt being asked to return to
Speaker 1: the show, who surprised her the most, where her relationship
Speaker 1: with Drew is now, and we'll also hear a little
Speaker 1: bit about her new man, Daniel Perezi. However, let's get
Speaker 1: started with today's guest. I'd like to welcome Tully smythe
Speaker 1: to TV Reload.
Speaker 2: And I actually went in there really happy and excited
Speaker 2: this year.
Speaker 3: It's my twenty first birthday.
Speaker 2: Really truly did not think he was going to be
Speaker 2: in there.
Speaker 3: And I've invinted housemates both new and legendary.
Speaker 2: You can't make this shit up, Like as Johnson said
Speaker 2: the other night, you can't bite this shit.
Speaker 3: Will experience be enough to take on the next generation
Speaker 3: of housemates.
Speaker 2: I can't remember what went down back in the day,
Speaker 2: but I knew we had some kind of beef and the.
Speaker 3: New contenders, I wit Big Brother Royalty.
Speaker 2: Lisa and Keeley and the producers must have been just
Speaker 2: sitting there just being like yes, yes, like this is
Speaker 2: all going better than we plan.
Speaker 3: This is big Brother.
Speaker 1: Hi, Tully, how are you?
Speaker 2: Hi? I'm good man, how are you.
Speaker 1: I'm doing really well, very excited to be talking Big
Speaker 1: Brother as always, as you know, I'm always talking Big
Speaker 1: Brother in my sleep, so this is coming very natural
Speaker 1: to me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I bet you're doing what I was doing last year.
Speaker 2: It feels bizarre to be on the other I really honestly,
Speaker 2: when I did my little mini Big Brother series, I'm
Speaker 2: too much Tully. There is no way to hell. I
Speaker 2: thought that I would be on the other side of
Speaker 2: it in a year's time. It's mental.
Speaker 1: I want to start by saying something, and that is
Speaker 1: that I've seen you with lots of different I've seen
Speaker 1: you lots of different dates, let's say that, with different
Speaker 1: boys over the last ten years. And I always met
Speaker 1: these boys and thought, oh, there's just I just can't
Speaker 1: see the connection. And then I was lucky to meet
Speaker 1: you with Daniel not that long ago, and straight up
Speaker 1: immediately I could feel the connection.
Speaker 2: Well, very that was my first event back out in
Speaker 2: the real world, so I was all like, oh shit,
Speaker 2: this is the last person I want to see right now,
Speaker 2: like you have this way of this like squeezing and
Speaker 2: getting information out of people. And I was like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 2: no no, keep that man away from me. I know
Speaker 2: he's going to hone in on me and he's going
Speaker 2: to know exactly where I've been and what I've been doing.
Speaker 2: But yeah, you met Daniel at some movie premiere, wasn't it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah it was. It was nice. It was one
Speaker 1: of those gold class ones where we got everything for free,
Speaker 1: which was always really nice.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we love free food.
Speaker 1: But you know, he really does bring out this amazing
Speaker 1: quality in you which I've never seen before in the
Speaker 1: ten years that I've known.
Speaker 2: Oh that's really sweet. You're not the first person to
Speaker 2: say that. He's just he's the biggest darling. He's just
Speaker 2: such got such good energy. He makes everyone in the
Speaker 2: room feel important and special. You know, he'll find at
Speaker 2: a party, he'll find the person standing by themselves and
Speaker 2: by the end of the party their best friends. So yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm very, very lucky to have him.
Speaker 1: You know, how I knew that you didn't like the
Speaker 1: other boys that you were with that I met along
Speaker 1: the way, was that you were always really mean to them,
Speaker 1: Like you'd be like, oh, this is such and such,
Speaker 1: and you'd say something kind of thing like oh, you know.
Speaker 1: And then with this guy, you were so protective of
Speaker 1: him straight away and he and likewise he was of you.
Speaker 1: So I think that's where I could see the real magic.
Speaker 2: I mean, I probably be like that because I was
Speaker 2: probably dating douchebags that deserve that kind of treatment. They
Speaker 2: were probably all just cookie cutters of each other. And
Speaker 2: I probably, yeah, I probably knew that I could do better.
Speaker 2: So yeah, it's definitely been worth the way. He's a
Speaker 2: real honey.
Speaker 4: So this time round is definitely about redemption. This is
Speaker 4: my chance to come back to show people who I
Speaker 4: really am, older, wiser, I'm here to play my own game,
Speaker 4: and I'm here to win.
Speaker 2: I'm here to take it home.
Speaker 1: So you're back on Big Brother nearly ten years later,
Speaker 1: at nine years to be exact, what made you say
Speaker 1: yes to coming back to this show that obviously you're
Speaker 1: so familiar with.
Speaker 2: I mean, the exact same thing that would have made
Speaker 2: you say yes, Like, I think that if you live
Speaker 2: and breathe Big Brother like people like you and I do,
Speaker 2: if you've watched the show every single season. Then you
Speaker 2: know you have continued to watch it after our seasons,
Speaker 2: like I know that we've both continued to watch the
Speaker 2: new Channel seven edition. Why Like, why would I ever
Speaker 2: say no to that? Like there was not a part
Speaker 2: of me despite everything that went down the first time,
Speaker 2: despite you know, maybe the possible risks. I was never
Speaker 2: I was never gonna say no about question, and I did.
Speaker 2: It took me three seconds, you know. Lisa Farty said
Speaker 2: we'll give you some time. You're gonna need some time,
Speaker 2: and I said, no, I don't need any time, Like
Speaker 2: why the hell not? Why when I go back and
Speaker 2: do it again? Like there are so many reasons why
Speaker 2: I would go back, you know, like the first time
Speaker 2: didn't exactly go according to plan, and I kind of
Speaker 2: forgot what I was doing and that I was there
Speaker 2: to win some money. And plus also you know, in Melbourne,
Speaker 2: we were smackifying the middle of like, oh, I don't
Speaker 2: even know seventy fourth lockdown. We were in lockdown when
Speaker 2: I got the call, and so I didn't have any
Speaker 2: other work stuff happening. I wasn't traveling, you know, work
Speaker 2: was pretty slow, and my manager was like, well, you
Speaker 2: could either stay in your house in Melbourne and be
Speaker 2: bored and be stuck in lockdown, or you could go
Speaker 2: stay in a house in Sydney and have an awesome
Speaker 2: fucking time and you know, possibly win a quarter of
Speaker 2: a million dollars. She's like, why would you not do it?
Speaker 2: So yeah, I was never I couldn't You couldn't you
Speaker 2: get it? Like I how could I have lived with myself?
Speaker 2: How could I have lived myself? If I said no,
Speaker 2: I'd be for the rest of my life. I'd be like,
Speaker 2: but what if? But what if I'd got in? But
Speaker 2: what if I'd done it? But if what if? I
Speaker 2: would have so many regrets? So yeah, I was never
Speaker 2: going to say no.
Speaker 1: And at what point did you know that it was
Speaker 1: going to be an All Star is did you kind
Speaker 1: of know that with inside yourself?
Speaker 2: Or when yeah, well, I mean similar to you, like
Speaker 2: that it wouldn't make any logical sense to just invite
Speaker 2: me back. That is such a random housemate to bring
Speaker 2: back on their own, Like, I'm not if you're going
Speaker 2: to do that, If you're going to have some like
Speaker 2: you know, I don't know, secret intruder or royalty intruder
Speaker 2: or something like that, you'd go for Reggie you go
Speaker 2: for Tim Dormer, you wouldn't bring you know, a B grade,
Speaker 2: C grades housemate back. So I knew when they asked
Speaker 2: me back that they were cooking something up. They obviously
Speaker 2: couldn't confirm or deny. So I had two options in
Speaker 2: my head. One was that it was complete all stars,
Speaker 2: you know, a bunch of ex housemates and you know
Speaker 2: I'd probably seen you in there. Or the other option
Speaker 2: was that it might be half half. That they were
Speaker 2: the only two possible options in my head. And then
Speaker 2: it was confirmed when we were doing all the pre
Speaker 2: show stuff that you know we do where we film
Speaker 2: a bunch of poses, you know, like the cranky you know,
Speaker 2: folded arms like I'm nominated, and like the cheering, Oh
Speaker 2: I just want to challenge you know what I'm talking about?
Speaker 2: And they did this like quick five question game thing.
Speaker 2: I'm the social media and the questions were all around
Speaker 2: past housemates, all of them. They were like name with
Speaker 2: three Big Brother winners. I said, you who said game
Speaker 2: on moles? And I was like you, why are you
Speaker 2: asking me? Why are you asking all this historical stuff?
Speaker 2: Like this is so obvious now that I won't be
Speaker 2: the only one. So yeah, there are a few little hints,
Speaker 2: but it wasn't confirmed until I walked into the house.
Speaker 1: Who out of these returning housemates though, that you've now
Speaker 1: just lived with, surprised you the most, Like now that
Speaker 1: you've got the chance of living with them, I mean
Speaker 1: they've been in previous seasons, or you've may have been
Speaker 1: in they in the house with them before, But who
Speaker 1: surprised you the most this time? Right out of the
Speaker 1: returning housemates?
Speaker 2: You? What is Stelle? I was dreading that, I really was,
Speaker 2: and she knows this. I've told her. I was really
Speaker 2: dreading that. I can't remember what went down back in
Speaker 2: the day, but I knew we had some kind of beef.
Speaker 2: Like I blocked her on Twitter. I couldn't remember why,
Speaker 2: one of those silly things, you know, And I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: I just don't know about her. I don't know about her.
Speaker 2: But I also knew that I'm an EmPATH as well,
Speaker 2: and then I'm a bleeding heart, and so I almost
Speaker 2: initially and I told her this after the fact, but
Speaker 2: I almost initially for the first week two weeks just
Speaker 2: avoided her. I was like, because I was worried that
Speaker 2: if I spent too much time with her, I'd fall
Speaker 2: in love with her, and I didn't know whether I
Speaker 2: wanted to do that. Does that sound weird? I knew
Speaker 2: that if she I knew that if she opened up
Speaker 2: and was vulnerable. And you know what Estelle's like. She's
Speaker 2: raw and she's vulnerable, and she has a heart and
Speaker 2: a sleeve, and she's unapologetically herself and she believes in
Speaker 2: strength and vulnerability. And you know, I love so much
Speaker 2: of what she stands for. We don't have a lot
Speaker 2: of the same views on a lot of other topics,
Speaker 2: you know, politics, stuff like that. But yeah, she's got
Speaker 2: the biggest heart in the world. And as expected, the
Speaker 2: minute I spent more than three seconds with her, I
Speaker 2: was like, God, damn it, you're really and I just
Speaker 2: I feel for you. We've got a lot in common.
Speaker 2: You know, we've both lost our mums. But Estelle, and
Speaker 2: she is a fucking challenge beast. You wait, you wait,
Speaker 2: she looks scrawny. You think the weird little horse girl
Speaker 2: can't take it home, but she might surprise you.
Speaker 1: Did you immediately think that Drew would be back in
Speaker 1: the house? And when did you start to think producers
Speaker 1: must be setting up a whole history repeating itself sort
Speaker 1: of situation.
Speaker 2: I knew for a fact that ask they'd be dumb
Speaker 2: not to, But I really, truly, in my heart of hearts,
Speaker 2: thought there's just no way he'd do it. And for
Speaker 2: the same reasons that you know, I know that you
Speaker 2: know Drew personally too, He's just always shied away from it.
Speaker 2: He's just always he's never lent in, he's never enjoyed
Speaker 2: anything that came with the first time round. He's got
Speaker 2: a great new career in a completely different world, and
Speaker 2: I just thought there is no way he'd say yes.
Speaker 2: I really truly People think, oh, of course you knew,
Speaker 2: really truly did not think it was going to be
Speaker 2: in there, like, really truly was flawed. And I'm kind
Speaker 2: of in a way glad that I didn't know, because
Speaker 2: I don't know if that would have changed my decision.
Speaker 2: It would have at least made me a lot more
Speaker 2: anxious going in there, And I actually went in there
Speaker 2: really happy and excited. So I mean, well played by them,
Speaker 2: like they you can't make this shit up, like as
Speaker 2: Johnson said the other night, you can't bite this shit
Speaker 2: like Plly and Drew back together Sam this girl Sam
Speaker 2: her ex boyfriend Josh, he gets the boot. Sam and
Speaker 2: Drew a hook up. Then I arrived at her birthday,
Speaker 2: like Lisa and Keeley and the producers must have been
Speaker 2: just sitting there just being like, yes, yes, like this
Speaker 2: is all going better than we planned. Like I can't
Speaker 2: even imagine their faces when it all started up to unravel,
Speaker 2: but yeah, look it is what it is. Can't change
Speaker 2: it now, can I not?
Speaker 1: At all? How do you think this would have played
Speaker 1: out if Drew wasn't already in this relationship with Sam.
Speaker 2: I would like to think I assumed that once I
Speaker 2: realized that there were three of us from the one season,
Speaker 2: like there's me, Drew, and Tim from twenty thirteen, that
Speaker 2: is a huge advantage. That should have been a huge advantage.
Speaker 2: We should have bounded together, being impenetrable work together, even
Speaker 2: if we acted as if we all weren't getting along,
Speaker 2: or Tim and I had our bickering brothers sister thing,
Speaker 2: even if we played that out in public that secretly
Speaker 2: were actually you know, water tight, That was a no
Speaker 2: brainer for me. I mean, they're fragile, masculine egos. I
Speaker 2: don't know what it is that they need. They want
Speaker 2: the spotlight. I don't know what it was, but yeah,
Speaker 2: it was very clear to me from day one that
Speaker 2: they had no intention of sticking together, at least with me.
Speaker 2: So that was disappointing because I was like, no one
Speaker 2: else in the house has the connection and the history
Speaker 2: that we three of us have. You're not gonna take
Speaker 2: advantage of that.
Speaker 1: Really at that point, though, well, I'm quite far into
Speaker 1: the show, so I've seen quite a lot and I'm
Speaker 1: really impressed because I know you from watching you the
Speaker 1: first time round, and then I know you as a
Speaker 1: person in the outside world. But I'm watching you on
Speaker 1: the show and I really do feel like and this
Speaker 1: sounds like, really, I don't mean this to same condescending.
Speaker 1: I mean this in the nicest way possible. You seem
Speaker 1: like you've grown up quite a lot, and I can't
Speaker 1: express that to you enough with as much generosity as
Speaker 1: as I am right now. And it's quite nice to watch.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Ben. I mean, that's kind of you know.
Speaker 2: One of the big reasons why I wanted to come back.
Speaker 2: I wanted to prove that, yes, I'm emotional and I'm
Speaker 2: not apologe with that anymore. I went in there so
Speaker 2: shook and scarred. Riddle with PTSD to not be the
Speaker 2: crying girl. You know, I say to Tim on my
Speaker 2: first night in the mezzanie, I say, I'm not going
Speaker 2: to cry this season at all. I was so determined
Speaker 2: to not shed a single tear because I did not
Speaker 2: want to give all the trolls who say, oh, here
Speaker 2: we go, she's crying again, typhoon, talie, she's a mess,
Speaker 2: what a train wreck. I was so paranoid that I
Speaker 2: would just reignite the trolls, and then going through the
Speaker 2: show and watching it back, I'm like, no, you know what,
Speaker 2: screw you guys like I am? How I am? I
Speaker 2: am emotional. I'm emotional in real life too. I you know,
Speaker 2: I see a little old man carrying some flowers and
Speaker 2: I burst into tears. Like I celebrate. I cry for everything.
Speaker 2: I cry for good things, bad things, other people. You know,
Speaker 2: That's just who I am, and I can't change that.
Speaker 2: I'm not going to pretend to me anything different. So
Speaker 2: it wasn't really, you know, I'd like to think that
Speaker 2: I've grown a lot in the last nine years. I've
Speaker 2: done a lot of work in myself. I've spent a
Speaker 2: lot of money on therapy. But that place, it makes
Speaker 2: you regress. Like I went in there being like, I'm strong,
Speaker 2: I'm not letting Tim affect me. That's going to be
Speaker 2: water for Duck's back. But then you get there and
Speaker 2: he's coming for me. He's poking me, he's poking me,
Speaker 2: and suddenly it's like I'm back in twenty thirteen. We
Speaker 2: keep saying, you know, when like you go home and
Speaker 2: you use your family house for Christmas, and even though
Speaker 2: you're a grown ass fucking adult, you go home and
Speaker 2: suddenly you're like, Dad, make me eggs. I can't make
Speaker 2: my own eggs. You know, you just regress. I feel
Speaker 2: like we just regress back then. And maybe that was
Speaker 2: because they had Tim around me, you know, repeating behaviors.
Speaker 2: Maybe if I didn't have the boys, I could have
Speaker 2: shown more of that. But I'm glad because I know
Speaker 2: you have seen quite a bit of the show. I
Speaker 2: obviously haven't. I'm glad that that's coming across. But that's
Speaker 2: how it felt. But you just never know what they're
Speaker 2: gonna you know, show.
Speaker 1: But even still, the manusa I mean is that I
Speaker 1: think that's the right term, the manusa of the love
Speaker 1: of you on this show, the love and that you know,
Speaker 1: the lovers and haters of you in the show, but
Speaker 1: even everyone in that category makes you great television. So
Speaker 1: as much as we say we don't want to be
Speaker 1: the things that we are, sometimes that's just what has
Speaker 1: made us connect with an audience.
Speaker 2: You know, Yeah, I remember, I'll never forget. It's so
Speaker 2: bizarre that it's so clear in my head. I don't
Speaker 2: know why. It's such a you know, light bulb moment.
Speaker 2: But Tardy Anderson, who was in my series, who at
Speaker 2: the time of going to the show, was already working radio.
Speaker 2: She was already kind of doing what I wanted to
Speaker 2: be doing. She'd had a bit of media training, she'd
Speaker 2: kind of, you know, done that thing a little bit beforehand.
Speaker 2: And she said to me one day, She's like, tells,
Speaker 2: you're gonna be polarizing. People are either gonna love you
Speaker 2: or hate you, but they're the people that will do
Speaker 2: the best, the people that will do well. You will
Speaker 2: have so much love and yeah, you'll have hate, but
Speaker 2: you're going to be great regardless. And it was funny
Speaker 2: because it was this really kind of like moment of
Speaker 2: self awareness, and I was like, wait, people are gonna
Speaker 2: hate me? Why people gonna hate me? And you're like.
Speaker 2: I was like, why wouldnone hate me? I'm an ape,
Speaker 2: Like I'm a darling, Like, why would anyone hate me? Well,
Speaker 2: you're also a polarizing character.
Speaker 1: Right, I will never forget, Alex Meverdyke is saying to me.
Speaker 1: Before it even gone on stage to do the finale,
Speaker 1: I was still in the house and they put me
Speaker 1: in a car with Sonya Krueger, and Sonya looked at
Speaker 1: me and was like, you know, I'm not allowed to
Speaker 1: talk to you yet. And so we're in this car
Speaker 1: together and Alex Medverdyke is the producer, turns around and
Speaker 1: says to me, Ben, you are not Reggie the Fish
Speaker 1: and Chip ship Shop winner. You are just as hated
Speaker 1: as you are liked. So when you get on stage,
Speaker 1: don't be all like, hey, I'm amazing, because he's like,
Speaker 1: there's people out there that are really pissed off that
Speaker 1: you've won.
Speaker 2: You gotta love Alex mav and he's like tough love,
Speaker 2: don't you like? He just gives it to you straight,
Speaker 2: Like I remember when I came out the first time
Speaker 2: and he you know, he's he's giving you a speech
Speaker 2: and you're getting miked up. I had some guy put
Speaker 2: his hand down my dress and you know, loop something
Speaker 2: around my head. And all I said to him was,
Speaker 2: is Tylia here? And he said, fuck Tali, I who
Speaker 2: does the fuck about Tarli tonight? You're not You're a star,
Speaker 2: you were a star and there you go out on
Speaker 2: that stage and you fucking own it. It is your night.
Speaker 2: And I was like, yeah, yeah, okay, right, all right,
Speaker 2: yeah I go do that.
Speaker 1: So he's a little champion of the evils though, isn't he.
Speaker 1: Don't you think he's a champion of the evils?
Speaker 2: Like I just love that man so much, Like I
Speaker 2: wish he could have been involved this time round, Like
Speaker 2: he's obviously very very busy doing Love Island and I'm
Speaker 2: a celeb. But yeah, he's he isn't always will be.
Speaker 2: You know, he's the actual big brother. He's our dad.
Speaker 2: You know, he has Zaddy.
Speaker 1: For all of us. Did you think it was a
Speaker 1: bit cruel?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 1: And I'm finding a bit cruel to watch you having
Speaker 1: to watch Sam and Drew's relationship evolve. I mean, at
Speaker 1: this stage of where I am up to in the show, Oh,
Speaker 1: I feel sorry for you. I'm like, you know, this
Speaker 1: is almost mean. I mean, I know.
Speaker 2: It's just awkward. Like, it's just awkward. I'm not hurting,
Speaker 2: I'm not sitting there like crying into my pillow. I'm
Speaker 2: not jealous, I'm not bitter, I have no feelings towards through.
Speaker 2: In fact, if anything, living with the guy full time
Speaker 2: just really reinforced why we didn't work and how much
Speaker 2: better my current boyfriend, Daniel is like, I can't even
Speaker 2: tell you it was. It was the cheapest form of
Speaker 2: therapy they've done in my life.
Speaker 3: What poun does it feel living with your ex boyfriend.
Speaker 2: Look, I'm not gonna lie, it's a bit awkward. I
Speaker 2: think they're actually very well suited and it's quite sweet
Speaker 2: most of the time, but being all cute, romantic.
Speaker 4: Literally directly opposite me, it's.
Speaker 2: Just like I feel like a creep. But it's just awkward.
Speaker 2: It was awkward for them, it was awkward for me. Like,
Speaker 2: like I said the other night, I felt like that
Speaker 2: crazy ex girlfriend it doesn't get the message, and like
Speaker 2: it's just hanging around. Like I would wake up and
Speaker 2: come out to the kitchen to try and make some
Speaker 2: breakfast and they'd be like making out on like the stovetop,
Speaker 2: and I'd be like, sorry, guys, don't mind me just
Speaker 2: trying to eat my breakfast in our share house we
Speaker 2: all live in. And as you know, and as you
Speaker 2: know my now I haven't only seen a lot of
Speaker 2: the bedrooms, but my bed was the last bed left.
Speaker 2: I didn't really have much of a choice. And it's
Speaker 2: next to sound opposite Drew, So you know, I to
Speaker 2: say I was up against it from day one would
Speaker 2: be an understatement, and so you know, it was a
Speaker 2: difficult time. It was. It was so much fun, but
Speaker 2: it was also hard and isolating, and you know, I'd
Speaker 2: go and I was already coming in late, and I
Speaker 2: was trying to make new friends, and the newbies were
Speaker 2: so strong and so impenetrable, Like I just felt like
Speaker 2: I was never going to crack them. I really did,
Speaker 2: I was. I remember crying one tame shock in the
Speaker 2: dining room, saying, I'm never going to be able to
Speaker 2: get through to them. They're just like stone walling me.
Speaker 2: I'd go outside and try and start a conversation, but
Speaker 2: Sam and Drew would be there, and then so it's
Speaker 2: in what would not be weird for any other combination
Speaker 2: of people. I suddenly thought like maybe I shouldn't sit
Speaker 2: down maybe I should give this some space. Am I
Speaker 2: allowed here? Am I welcome here? All that kind of
Speaker 2: dynamic on top of everything else that you're dealing with
Speaker 2: in the house, which is awkward.
Speaker 1: What is your relationship then, like with dr I mean,
Speaker 1: do you reckon that going back into this Big Brother
Speaker 1: experience and having it be what it is like? Is
Speaker 1: it changed the way in which you two interact in
Speaker 1: the outside world now? I mean no spoilers, we don't
Speaker 1: talk about you know, where you or Drew come in
Speaker 1: the competition. But has that therapye in your words, changed
Speaker 1: your relationship now outside of that show.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean we don't really talk a whole lot
Speaker 2: generally when we're both dating other people, the coms just
Speaker 2: naturally die off, just naturally. You know, he's very happy,
Speaker 2: I'm very happy. So generally they've we don't really talk
Speaker 2: as much as we did beforehand. But I think and
Speaker 2: I don't know how much have seen, but we go
Speaker 2: through a full like you know, three sixty. You know,
Speaker 2: we're not getting along. They haven't shown him very much. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but he was not very nice to me in those
Speaker 2: first two weeks. I'm going to say we're not getting along.
Speaker 2: We're constantly bickering. It gets to the point where like
Speaker 2: I felt sorry for the other housemates because I'm like,
Speaker 2: I'm so sorry you having to deal with us just
Speaker 2: constantly coming for each other. And then we have a
Speaker 2: chat and I'm just basically like, look, we're friends, We've
Speaker 2: been friends for nine years, Like, can we not just
Speaker 2: get along? Like this is embarrassing, this is ridiculous. I'm
Speaker 2: not you know, we're on the same team. Can we
Speaker 2: just any stupid? Yeah? And we did, and we did
Speaker 2: and honestly got better from there. So we Yeah, we've
Speaker 2: come full circle. But yeah, we don't really chat as
Speaker 2: much as we used to anymore, just because we're both
Speaker 2: you know, happy and doing our own things.
Speaker 1: You call him by his real name on the show, Anthony,
Speaker 1: which is you know, well I call him in real
Speaker 1: life as well. And when I saw it happening on
Speaker 1: the television, I was eating and I went, like, what
Speaker 1: I feel.
Speaker 2: I do that? Like, no, probably not, I probably not.
Speaker 2: I never got pulled up for it, but I think
Speaker 2: I do that when he's to get it, like when
Speaker 2: he's in trouble, and I also kind of do it.
Speaker 2: I also kind of do it to be like you
Speaker 2: might be able to bullshit and smise and smooth your
Speaker 2: way around everybody else in here. But I know you,
Speaker 2: I know you, Anthony Douglas Drew, and your shit ain't
Speaker 2: gonna fly here. I think it's just more like, just
Speaker 2: remember that you can't pull your usual bullshit on me.
Speaker 2: Your charm doesn't work anymore. Honey, You're not that attracted this,
Speaker 2: So I think that's why I would drop the Anthony.
Speaker 1: I still think he's really hot. Honestly, I don't know
Speaker 1: what's wrong with me, but I feel like I subscribe
Speaker 1: to like some sort of Anthony Drew a fan club,
Speaker 1: and I can't stop myself so weird. And he's not
Speaker 1: even nice in this series. Like I'm watching him and
Speaker 1: I'm like, you know what is going on? I'm like,
Speaker 1: I've never seen a bad thing come out of this
Speaker 1: man's mouth. I've never seen anything problematic about him at all.
Speaker 1: And then he's still jarring on me this he's now
Speaker 1: jarring on me, and I still think he's really I
Speaker 1: don't know what's wrong with.
Speaker 2: It, do you know what it is? I think we're
Speaker 2: just we're all just old and cranky. We're just getting old.
Speaker 2: Our patience is wearing thin. You know, we don't have
Speaker 2: we don't have the innus anymore to you just smile
Speaker 2: and pretend everything's funny. I think he just has a
Speaker 2: short views and a short temper, you know that.
Speaker 1: That's why they didn't do as straight. All Stars was
Speaker 1: because most people, if they did it, it would be
Speaker 1: like a retirement village, big Brother, like everyone's too old.
Speaker 1: So they're like, we have a whole bunch of newbies
Speaker 1: in there to balance the age out.
Speaker 2: Richie was quite often in bed at about three PM,
Speaker 2: and that's where she'd stay for the rest of the night.
Speaker 2: Like I felt like I was visiting my parents, you know,
Speaker 2: WILLI walcome chocolate factory like we were like we would
Speaker 2: bring her dinner to bed. She would be lying in
Speaker 2: bed with her donner right up to her, just just
Speaker 2: watching everything like this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and we would all take.
Speaker 2: You to turn to bring her either her dinner a
Speaker 2: water bottle of tea, and she'd just stay in bed
Speaker 2: for the rest of the day, obviously because you can't sleep,
Speaker 2: but just in bed.
Speaker 1: I did that from Christy's one, though apparently Christie's one
Speaker 1: and Reggie spent most of their time in that the
Speaker 1: original time that they were in the series. They spent
Speaker 1: it in bed together just talking absolute smac so you know,
Speaker 1: maybe that's on brand for her.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and she had a lot like us oldies. Oh.
Speaker 2: In fact, yeah, we were injured. There was some serious injuries.
Speaker 2: We were having the physiocome quite regularly, poor Reggie, so
Speaker 2: probably also added to it. But yeah, she's it's there
Speaker 2: the best.
Speaker 1: The relationship between you and Tim is quite interesting. It's
Speaker 1: an interesting dynamic, to say the least. What do you
Speaker 1: think is the driving force behind your problematic relationship?
Speaker 2: I mean, that's such a long question, such a broad question.
Speaker 2: I just I think that I am the same person
Speaker 2: outside the house and inside the house, whereas Tim flips
Speaker 2: the switch and goes in the game mode.
Speaker 1: I was surprised watching back how many people didn't like you.
Speaker 1: I thought you were in with we all. I thought
Speaker 1: I was the only person. Wait for the punchline, there
Speaker 1: isn't one.
Speaker 2: He's just been Tim in the real world. It can
Speaker 2: be a really beautiful, loving, thoughtful friend. And we've got
Speaker 2: on holidays together, we've had dinners together, we've traveled together.
Speaker 2: And so I thought, going back in the house this time,
Speaker 2: after everything we've been through together, in our private lives,
Speaker 2: we would be tight. And then as everyone saw last night,
Speaker 2: no no, apparently not apparently, no, no, nothing's changed. Honestly,
Speaker 2: it's fine. Similar to the trolls. By this point, Tim,
Speaker 2: and he's poking and his you know, jabs and the manipulation.
Speaker 2: It's white noise to me. It literally goes in one
Speaker 2: ear and out the other. You saw with me last
Speaker 2: night with the bats. He was trying to like, he
Speaker 2: was trying to poke some more and trying to and
Speaker 2: I'm like, no, Tim, there's no point talking to you.
Speaker 2: There's just no point talking to you. So I'm not
Speaker 2: going to talk to you. So look, if people find entertaining,
Speaker 2: it doesn't bother me, it doesn't upset me. It's never malicious,
Speaker 2: it's there's always love behind it. So let Tim be Tim, like,
Speaker 2: you know, if it makes him, if he's enjoying himself, like,
Speaker 2: let him do what he wants to do. I just
Speaker 2: it would be nice if he could be as kind
Speaker 2: to me in the house as he is in the
Speaker 2: outside world. That would be nice. Like just just be real, dude,
Speaker 2: Like do you like me? I think you like me?
Speaker 2: Can you just be nice to me? I don't know
Speaker 2: sound's going on.
Speaker 1: I love that you and Laila had a connection inside
Speaker 1: the show, even though we didn't see it, but over
Speaker 1: the history of me being friends with you both. Sometimes
Speaker 1: people try and rewrite history and you guys forget the truth.
Speaker 1: And so when Tim said to you last night, you know,
Speaker 1: he didn't realize how many people in the twenty thirteen
Speaker 1: series didn't like you. That wasn't true because I interviewed
Speaker 1: everyone that came out of the show and I and
Speaker 1: I just don't remember anyone saying anything that bad. I
Speaker 1: thought you were very popular inside the house throughout your
Speaker 1: time and that.
Speaker 2: I think what he was trying to do in that
Speaker 2: moment is undermine me to the newbies. I think he
Speaker 2: was putting out a warning, like just in case you
Speaker 2: got because if you notice, I was actually having some
Speaker 2: really good chats with Gabby and Estelle in that time.
Speaker 2: I think what he was doing was out loud so
Speaker 2: everyone could hear I'm still top dog, don't you know.
Speaker 2: Don't fall in love with Tully too much. People didn't
Speaker 2: like her last time, so maybe you shouldn't. You know.
Speaker 2: He was just trying to create doubt and suspicions.
Speaker 1: It's trying to fill your boat a bit.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was trying to fill your mind with insecurity
Speaker 1: about you know, I guess, And that's a good tactic
Speaker 1: to have him. Mean, he's still he's great television, Like,
Speaker 1: no matter what happens inside or outside of the world,
Speaker 1: I still love watching him on television.
Speaker 2: I mean, he is hands down one of, if not
Speaker 2: the best Big Brolla players in the history. And I
Speaker 2: say that as someone who has had to live with
Speaker 2: him both time rounds, so that is a truly compliment.
Speaker 1: Okay, So something I ask everyone who joins the podcast
Speaker 1: is what something from behind the scenes that we as
Speaker 1: an audience didn't see that we won't see from behind
Speaker 1: the scenes of your experience on the latest Big Brother.
Speaker 2: Okay, I hope you do see this. I don't think
Speaker 2: you will because we're singing and as we know, we're
Speaker 2: not allowed to sing. But my favorite best memory night
Speaker 2: it was so much fun. It was late at night.
Speaker 2: We often, you know, with the brother would tend the
Speaker 2: lights off to try and make us better sleep, and
Speaker 2: we would often not be ready to go to sleep,
Speaker 2: and we were all on my side of the bedroom,
Speaker 2: so the OG's side of the bedroom, and we just
Speaker 2: started getting into like a queen sing a lot, and
Speaker 2: we were just giving it out all Someone jumped up
Speaker 2: on like the closet the wardrobe space and was like
Speaker 2: we were just all screaming and singing and dance in
Speaker 2: complete darkness. Sorry Reggie had a flashlight. It was like
Speaker 2: creating like a disco ball kind of effects and we
Speaker 2: were just having the best time. And then Lulu, who
Speaker 2: is just such a character, Lulu who loves karaoke, loves it,
Speaker 2: talks about it all the time, has a karaoke machine
Speaker 2: in her house, you see it in her backstory. We
Speaker 2: all just sort of stopped for a bit, like all
Speaker 2: like sitting around like laughing and so, and out of nowhere,
Speaker 2: Lulu goes, okay, okay, one more song. I'll do one
Speaker 2: more song. No one had asked her to do another song.
Speaker 2: And she gets up and starts singing Mallorie by Amy
Speaker 2: Whitehouse and it was just the funniest moment. Were like, Lila, literally,
Speaker 2: no one's asking you to sing, But it was just
Speaker 2: it was one of those really pure war moments where
Speaker 2: nobody was on teens. There was no newbies, no OG's,
Speaker 2: there was no stratch chat. We were all just people
Speaker 2: human beings living in a house having fun, and that's
Speaker 2: the kind of stuff that they're, you know, the real
Speaker 2: Diehabby Brother fans want to see more of. They're the
Speaker 2: memories that are my favorite from both seasons and they
Speaker 2: probably can't show it, but my god, I hope they
Speaker 2: do because it was just it was. It was the
Speaker 2: funniest best night, absolutely highlight.
Speaker 1: Well, your boobs are back. Let me tell you that
Speaker 1: that's a little teas for you coming up in the
Speaker 1: next few episodes. And it wouldn't be a season of
Speaker 1: Big Brother without Tully's boobs.
Speaker 2: But you know what, I funny lose six kgs and
Speaker 2: let go they disappear.
Speaker 1: Well, no, no, no, they look good.
Speaker 2: Pack My rig was suddenly really great. It was amrosing.
Speaker 2: I was living on apples and eggs anyway, Ben, so
Speaker 2: nice to chat. Thanks so much for having me on.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much. You were fantastic. It's great to
Speaker 1: have you back on Big Brother. It wouldn't be a
Speaker 1: Big Brother without you. So I'm in your audience and
Speaker 1: I can't wait to watch and see how it all
Speaker 1: plays out.
Speaker 2: Thanks man, I appreciate it. Good luck with the part
Speaker 2: I could want to.
Speaker 1: Listen okay, amazing, look after yourself, enjoy Darwin.
Speaker 2: Hkay no thanks, bye bye,