1 00:00:00,510 --> 00:00:04,290 Mundanara Bayles: Black Magic Woman Podcast acknowledges the traditional owners of the 2 00:00:04,290 --> 00:00:07,980 Mundanara Bayles: land we have recorded this episode on. We also acknowledge 3 00:00:07,980 --> 00:00:11,099 Mundanara Bayles: traditional owners of the land where you, the listener or 4 00:00:11,099 --> 00:00:13,710 Mundanara Bayles: viewer are tuning in from. We would like to pay 5 00:00:13,710 --> 00:00:17,069 Mundanara Bayles: our respects to our elders past and present and acknowledge 6 00:00:17,070 --> 00:00:20,370 Mundanara Bayles: that this always was Aboriginal land and always will be 7 00:00:20,579 --> 00:00:21,360 Mundanara Bayles: Aboriginal land. 8 00:00:23,130 --> 00:00:26,459 Speaker 2: This episode is proudly brought to you by ANZ, a 9 00:00:26,460 --> 00:00:30,179 Speaker 2: series of conversations with different mob around the country about 10 00:00:30,179 --> 00:00:34,858 Speaker 2: employment opportunities, career progression within ANZ, building the capacity of 11 00:00:34,859 --> 00:00:39,479 Speaker 2: indigenous businesses and organizations, and helping individuals in the broader 12 00:00:39,479 --> 00:00:42,870 Speaker 2: community to achieve financial wellbeing and resilience. 13 00:00:47,820 --> 00:00:50,699 Speaker 3: Welcome to the Black Magic Woman Podcast, with Mundanara Bayles. 14 00:00:57,690 --> 00:01:02,040 Mundanara Bayles: Hello you mob, and welcome to another amazing episode of 15 00:01:02,040 --> 00:01:07,050 Mundanara Bayles: Black Magic Woman Podcast. I am on the unseated lands 16 00:01:07,170 --> 00:01:14,850 Mundanara Bayles: of the beautiful Whadjak Noongar Boodja, which is Perth CBD here. And 17 00:01:14,850 --> 00:01:17,850 Mundanara Bayles: it's interesting though, I've been here for a couple of 18 00:01:17,850 --> 00:01:22,500 Mundanara Bayles: days and I've learned so much about the Whadjak people, 19 00:01:22,950 --> 00:01:24,750 Mundanara Bayles: and it's now just flowing off the tip of my 20 00:01:24,750 --> 00:01:27,330 Mundanara Bayles: tongue and I've been here for three days. Can I 21 00:01:27,330 --> 00:01:31,020 Mundanara Bayles: just say, Cameron, thank you so much for taking time 22 00:01:31,020 --> 00:01:34,140 Mundanara Bayles: out to join me and to be here and to 23 00:01:34,140 --> 00:01:39,750 Mundanara Bayles: also share the amazing business that you're the managing director 24 00:01:39,750 --> 00:01:43,830 Mundanara Bayles: of at MIB projects? So without further ado, can I 25 00:01:43,830 --> 00:01:46,230 Mundanara Bayles: get you to share a little bit about yourself, your 26 00:01:46,230 --> 00:01:49,920 Mundanara Bayles: name, your mob, whether you're a Black fella or a white fella. We 27 00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:54,030 Mundanara Bayles: all got a mob. We all connect to somewhere to 28 00:01:54,030 --> 00:01:57,660 Mundanara Bayles: someplace, but we have our own ways of telling those 29 00:01:57,660 --> 00:01:59,190 Mundanara Bayles: stories, so I'm going to hand over to you. 30 00:01:59,190 --> 00:02:04,230 Cameron Bunker: I appreciate that and taking the time to have a chat 31 00:02:04,230 --> 00:02:07,080 Cameron Bunker: and thanks for having me on the podcast. It's a 32 00:02:07,860 --> 00:02:12,360 Cameron Bunker: fantastic opportunity to come and have a chat. So I'm 33 00:02:12,540 --> 00:02:16,800 Cameron Bunker: Cameron Bunker, I'm a managing director of MIB Projects. I 34 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:21,000 Cameron Bunker: grew up in Tasmania. I guess, growing up in Tassie. 35 00:02:21,480 --> 00:02:25,169 Cameron Bunker: Look, it was fantastic. I spent a lot of time 36 00:02:25,169 --> 00:02:31,708 Cameron Bunker: outdoors, very passionate about the outdoors and just climbing trees 37 00:02:31,710 --> 00:02:35,429 Cameron Bunker: and running a mark, I guess, as a young kid. 38 00:02:35,669 --> 00:02:41,099 Cameron Bunker: After I turned 17, I moved over to Melbourne where 39 00:02:41,100 --> 00:02:48,990 Cameron Bunker: I went to university and I did environmental science. I 40 00:02:48,990 --> 00:02:52,500 Cameron Bunker: never really worked as an environmental scientist. It was something 41 00:02:52,500 --> 00:02:55,349 Cameron Bunker: that I was passionate about and I still am. And 42 00:02:55,349 --> 00:02:58,679 Cameron Bunker: hopefully, one day we could circle back and the business might 43 00:02:58,680 --> 00:03:03,060 Cameron Bunker: be able to broach on some kind of environmental sciences work. 44 00:03:03,300 --> 00:03:06,358 Mundanara Bayles: It makes sense, doesn't it? Working with Black fellows. 45 00:03:06,389 --> 00:03:07,079 Cameron Bunker: Yeah, definitely. 46 00:03:08,460 --> 00:03:12,090 Mundanara Bayles: When you think about the first scientist, the first environmentalist, 47 00:03:12,090 --> 00:03:16,168 Mundanara Bayles: the first conservationist, so you've got that background. 48 00:03:16,529 --> 00:03:23,100 Cameron Bunker: Yeah. I finished uni and I went back to Tassie 49 00:03:23,100 --> 00:03:26,550 Cameron Bunker: and I didn't really know what to do with myself, I didn't 50 00:03:26,550 --> 00:03:28,559 Cameron Bunker: really have any money or anything like that, so I 51 00:03:29,340 --> 00:03:33,599 Cameron Bunker: started doing odd jobs for family and friends and saved 52 00:03:33,599 --> 00:03:38,160 Cameron Bunker: up a few dollars and bought a dirt bike. As 53 00:03:38,160 --> 00:03:43,020 Cameron Bunker: a kid, I always imagined just heading off into the 54 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:46,920 Cameron Bunker: sunset on a motorbike and traveling around and being free. 55 00:03:47,820 --> 00:03:53,729 Cameron Bunker: So that was my dream, and it took me all 56 00:03:53,730 --> 00:03:56,700 Cameron Bunker: the way up to the Pilbara where I broke down 57 00:03:56,700 --> 00:03:57,540 Cameron Bunker: and ran out of money. 58 00:03:57,540 --> 00:04:02,040 Mundanara Bayles: You rode to the Pilbara, basically on a motorbike. On your own? 59 00:04:04,020 --> 00:04:04,409 Cameron Bunker: On my own. 60 00:04:04,619 --> 00:04:07,470 Mundanara Bayles: Wow, talk about that feeling of freedom. 61 00:04:07,920 --> 00:04:08,729 Cameron Bunker: Yeah, definitely. 62 00:04:08,730 --> 00:04:09,959 Mundanara Bayles: You broke down in the Pilbara? 63 00:04:10,139 --> 00:04:15,240 Cameron Bunker: Yeah, I broke down in the Pilbara. I actually found a 64 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:22,020 Cameron Bunker: job working as an environmental advisor for Rio Tinto. Just 65 00:04:22,020 --> 00:04:25,260 Cameron Bunker: a strange set of circumstances, and I landed the job. 66 00:04:26,428 --> 00:04:28,379 Cameron Bunker: I stayed in it for about a year, but I 67 00:04:28,379 --> 00:04:30,178 Cameron Bunker: didn't really want to work for the man. That was 68 00:04:30,180 --> 00:04:35,880 Cameron Bunker: kind of my feeling. So I quit and I started 69 00:04:35,880 --> 00:04:41,610 Cameron Bunker: a lawn mowing company and really, that's where it all 70 00:04:41,610 --> 00:04:42,839 Cameron Bunker: started, I guess. 71 00:04:43,650 --> 00:04:49,050 Mundanara Bayles: An environmentalist scientist, you get on a motorbike, you leave 72 00:04:49,050 --> 00:04:52,830 Mundanara Bayles: Tassie or Melbourne, you leave, you break down in the 73 00:04:52,830 --> 00:04:58,830 Mundanara Bayles: Pilbara, you start doing the work with Rio, and then 74 00:04:58,830 --> 00:05:01,559 Mundanara Bayles: you become a lawnmower man. You start your own business. 75 00:05:02,339 --> 00:05:02,729 Cameron Bunker: That's right. 76 00:05:02,730 --> 00:05:03,750 Mundanara Bayles: That's your first business. 77 00:05:03,900 --> 00:05:07,350 Cameron Bunker: Yeah, that's it. That's where it all started. And so, 78 00:05:07,920 --> 00:05:11,729 Cameron Bunker: I kept that up for a few months. I ended 79 00:05:11,730 --> 00:05:16,919 Cameron Bunker: up moving back down to Perth and it was sort 80 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:22,318 Cameron Bunker: of 2010 and there was a huge hailstorm. And so, the 81 00:05:22,320 --> 00:05:26,160 Cameron Bunker: business sort of pivoted as a result of the hailstorm, 82 00:05:26,490 --> 00:05:31,440 Cameron Bunker: there was a huge demand for painting because of all 83 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:33,779 Cameron Bunker: the damage to all the roofs and everything like that. 84 00:05:35,428 --> 00:05:37,650 Cameron Bunker: And so, I had an ad in the paper that 85 00:05:37,650 --> 00:05:43,109 Cameron Bunker: was advertising for lawn mowing and just no job too 86 00:05:43,110 --> 00:05:48,178 Cameron Bunker: big, no job too small and odd jobs. And I got 87 00:05:48,180 --> 00:05:54,809 Cameron Bunker: into painting and it meant that there was such a 88 00:05:54,809 --> 00:05:58,589 Cameron Bunker: high demand. I was able to put on some staff 89 00:05:58,650 --> 00:06:03,930 Cameron Bunker: and ended up with five workers in just a really 90 00:06:03,930 --> 00:06:10,229 Cameron Bunker: short amount of time. And from painting, we moved into 91 00:06:10,230 --> 00:06:16,620 Cameron Bunker: sign writing, which again, it's another long story, but we- 92 00:06:16,620 --> 00:06:17,549 Mundanara Bayles: You met the demand, there was a demand. 93 00:06:17,550 --> 00:06:23,310 Cameron Bunker: There was a demand. And at the time, there was a 94 00:06:23,310 --> 00:06:25,950 Cameron Bunker: few things changing in the industry. I wasn't aware of 95 00:06:25,950 --> 00:06:29,250 Cameron Bunker: them, but they just so happened to be, and we got 96 00:06:29,250 --> 00:06:36,149 Cameron Bunker: an opportunity to start making signs. And so, we leased 97 00:06:36,150 --> 00:06:42,210 Cameron Bunker: a little factory in Bayswater in WA Perth, and myself and 98 00:06:42,210 --> 00:06:48,779 Cameron Bunker: Adam, who's my business partner to this day, we were 99 00:06:48,839 --> 00:06:52,920 Cameron Bunker: just working around the clock and supplying signs. I had 100 00:06:52,920 --> 00:06:59,640 Cameron Bunker: a connection still to the Pilbara and to Rio Tinto 101 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:03,479 Cameron Bunker: and FMG from my time or working there for a 102 00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:08,428 Cameron Bunker: year. And one of the guys that I was working with 103 00:07:08,849 --> 00:07:13,560 Cameron Bunker: back then started to buy bits and pieces from us, 104 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:21,059 Cameron Bunker: and we landed a contract with FMG. So we were about four 105 00:07:21,059 --> 00:07:25,139 Cameron Bunker: or five years into business at that time, and we 106 00:07:25,139 --> 00:07:30,029 Cameron Bunker: had four or five employees and we were working hard and we 107 00:07:30,029 --> 00:07:34,260 Cameron Bunker: got a phone call from FMG, and they mentioned that 108 00:07:34,680 --> 00:07:40,530 Cameron Bunker: the MIB community were interested in signage and wanted to come 109 00:07:40,530 --> 00:07:46,259 Cameron Bunker: and have a chat. So a couple of the elders 110 00:07:46,260 --> 00:07:50,129 Cameron Bunker: came down from the Pilbara and we had a yarn 111 00:07:50,129 --> 00:07:57,150 Cameron Bunker: and ended up offering a 25% equity of the very 112 00:07:57,150 --> 00:07:59,280 Cameron Bunker: small business at the time. 113 00:07:59,310 --> 00:08:05,429 Mundanara Bayles: You had traditional owners, elders invest in your business. 114 00:08:05,670 --> 00:08:06,059 Cameron Bunker: That's right. 115 00:08:06,059 --> 00:08:08,550 Mundanara Bayles: They bought into your business, essentially you and Adam. 116 00:08:08,700 --> 00:08:09,870 Cameron Bunker: Yep, that's it. 117 00:08:10,020 --> 00:08:10,320 Mundanara Bayles: This is crazy. 118 00:08:10,950 --> 00:08:18,719 Cameron Bunker: Yeah. I guess, looking back at it now, 10, 15 years 119 00:08:18,719 --> 00:08:22,829 Cameron Bunker: ago when it all started to happen, aboriginal business was 120 00:08:22,830 --> 00:08:27,690 Cameron Bunker: not what it is today. I think the MIB community 121 00:08:28,380 --> 00:08:33,328 Cameron Bunker: had only sort of recently set up their enterprise and 122 00:08:34,020 --> 00:08:36,120 Cameron Bunker: they had a couple of other sort of joint venture 123 00:08:36,120 --> 00:08:45,630 Cameron Bunker: arrangements going. Joint ventures can be challenging, I believe they 124 00:08:45,630 --> 00:08:50,099 Cameron Bunker: might be contract by contract or they're sort of fraught 125 00:08:50,099 --> 00:08:56,069 Cameron Bunker: with danger. Anyway, the idea was that to take a 126 00:08:56,219 --> 00:09:00,570 Cameron Bunker: sort of grassroots business and have direct ownership in that, 127 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:03,300 Cameron Bunker: I think that's where the group was interested in heading 128 00:09:03,480 --> 00:09:07,440 Cameron Bunker: after a couple of joint ventures. It didn't really work 129 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:07,950 Cameron Bunker: out for them. 130 00:09:09,030 --> 00:09:12,330 Mundanara Bayles: And good on you for jumping in and saying, let's 131 00:09:12,330 --> 00:09:13,110 Mundanara Bayles: do this. 132 00:09:13,469 --> 00:09:13,889 Cameron Bunker: Yeah. 133 00:09:14,969 --> 00:09:17,520 Mundanara Bayles: This is an incredible story already. We haven't even got 134 00:09:17,520 --> 00:09:22,290 Mundanara Bayles: down to the... This is unbelievable. And I'm pretty sure 135 00:09:22,290 --> 00:09:25,650 Mundanara Bayles: people that are listening to the podcast, especially people that 136 00:09:25,650 --> 00:09:32,159 Mundanara Bayles: are watching this podcast, how this is unfolding that these 137 00:09:32,160 --> 00:09:34,799 Mundanara Bayles: Black fellows bought into the business that you and Adam 138 00:09:34,799 --> 00:09:38,100 Mundanara Bayles: set up out of the blue, you're doing painting first, 139 00:09:38,100 --> 00:09:43,590 Mundanara Bayles: well, lawn mowing, environmental scientist, and now you're doing sign 140 00:09:43,590 --> 00:09:50,160 Mundanara Bayles: writing working with FMG and next minute, you're now MIB 141 00:09:50,160 --> 00:09:56,399 Mundanara Bayles: Projects. So you've gone from that 25% ownership to now. What's 142 00:09:56,399 --> 00:09:57,900 Mundanara Bayles: it been like? How long has been doing this for? 143 00:09:58,650 --> 00:10:05,069 Cameron Bunker: Yeah, so pretty soon after MIB enterprises joined into Corsign, which 144 00:10:05,070 --> 00:10:14,580 Cameron Bunker: was the sign writing company, we launched MIB Traffic. When 145 00:10:14,610 --> 00:10:18,000 Cameron Bunker: you're making signs and installing signs on the side of 146 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:21,509 Cameron Bunker: the road, you need traffic management. So it sort of 147 00:10:21,510 --> 00:10:22,530 Cameron Bunker: went hand in hand and- 148 00:10:22,531 --> 00:10:22,532 Mundanara Bayles: This is great. 149 00:10:22,532 --> 00:10:27,630 Cameron Bunker: Yeah, it spun out of that. So at that time, 150 00:10:27,630 --> 00:10:32,550 Cameron Bunker: we actually launched a new business and that was 60% 151 00:10:32,550 --> 00:10:32,851 Cameron Bunker: owned by MIB community. 152 00:10:32,851 --> 00:10:42,119 Mundanara Bayles: Okay. So the MIB community has launched this new business, which is the traffic business. 153 00:10:42,450 --> 00:10:43,078 Cameron Bunker: Yeah, the traffic business. 154 00:10:43,078 --> 00:10:46,500 Mundanara Bayles: Yes. And in terms of traffic management, traffic control, did 155 00:10:46,500 --> 00:10:48,059 Mundanara Bayles: you partner with an RTO? 156 00:10:48,749 --> 00:10:49,679 Cameron Bunker: No, we didn't. 157 00:10:49,769 --> 00:10:50,280 Mundanara Bayles: I'm waiting for you to say no, we became an RTO. 158 00:10:50,280 --> 00:10:50,370 Cameron Bunker: No, we've thought about it, but no, it hasn't- 159 00:10:55,110 --> 00:11:00,750 Mundanara Bayles: Very expensive, very hard to get that certification and accreditation. 160 00:11:00,990 --> 00:11:02,371 Mundanara Bayles: I worked for an RTO for seven years. 161 00:11:02,371 --> 00:11:03,300 Cameron Bunker: Oh, okay. 162 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:09,510 Mundanara Bayles: So the traffic management side has been, would you say the 163 00:11:09,510 --> 00:11:11,040 Mundanara Bayles: majority of your business? 164 00:11:12,330 --> 00:11:13,410 Cameron Bunker: It has been now. 165 00:11:14,220 --> 00:11:14,820 Mundanara Bayles: It took off. 166 00:11:14,820 --> 00:11:17,489 Cameron Bunker: It took off, yeah. So the first couple of years 167 00:11:17,490 --> 00:11:20,130 Cameron Bunker: were pretty quiet and we were just sort of building 168 00:11:20,130 --> 00:11:25,199 Cameron Bunker: our knowledge base and understanding of the industry, but we 169 00:11:25,200 --> 00:11:30,240 Cameron Bunker: decided to move the company up and become Pilbara centric. 170 00:11:30,270 --> 00:11:33,840 Cameron Bunker: I guess that really talks to the vision of the 171 00:11:33,840 --> 00:11:39,900 Cameron Bunker: company. So understanding that vision, which was some of the 172 00:11:39,900 --> 00:11:44,910 Cameron Bunker: elders being really instrumental in guiding that strategy and that 173 00:11:45,059 --> 00:11:52,139 Cameron Bunker: understanding. So it's funny, I remember a few years after 174 00:11:52,139 --> 00:11:56,578 Cameron Bunker: starting the company, MIB Traffic, and we went to one 175 00:11:56,580 --> 00:12:00,359 Cameron Bunker: of the community meetings and we have to talk about 176 00:12:00,359 --> 00:12:05,010 Cameron Bunker: the business and what opportunities there are, and really, the 177 00:12:05,010 --> 00:12:11,189 Cameron Bunker: main opportunity was for traffic controllers, which makes sense. And 178 00:12:11,219 --> 00:12:14,370 Cameron Bunker: I remember one of the ladies stood up and she said, " 179 00:12:14,370 --> 00:12:18,570 Cameron Bunker: Oh, this is really fantastic that there's opportunities for people 180 00:12:18,570 --> 00:12:21,630 Cameron Bunker: to become traffic controllers, but what about those people who 181 00:12:21,990 --> 00:12:26,460 Cameron Bunker: don't want to be traffic controllers?" And I really didn't 182 00:12:26,460 --> 00:12:27,780 Cameron Bunker: have an answer. 183 00:12:31,830 --> 00:12:31,831 Mundanara Bayles: Of course, you were put on the spot there for a bit. 184 00:12:31,831 --> 00:12:33,539 Cameron Bunker: Yeah, that was all we had to offer. So I 185 00:12:33,809 --> 00:12:36,899 Cameron Bunker: sort of went away and we looked back at the 186 00:12:36,929 --> 00:12:40,080 Cameron Bunker: vision for the company, which is to be the number 187 00:12:40,080 --> 00:12:46,290 Cameron Bunker: one employer of choice for Pilbara aboriginal workforce. So what 188 00:12:46,290 --> 00:12:48,809 Cameron Bunker: we were doing and what the vision, the company was 189 00:12:49,080 --> 00:12:50,429 Cameron Bunker: they weren't aligned. 190 00:12:50,430 --> 00:12:52,050 Mundanara Bayles: Not aligned, there's a bit of a gap there. 191 00:12:52,109 --> 00:12:53,790 Cameron Bunker: Yeah, but you've got to start somewhere. 192 00:12:53,849 --> 00:12:56,340 Mundanara Bayles: You do. And you've got to know that there is a gap to then 193 00:12:56,340 --> 00:12:58,110 Mundanara Bayles: try and address closing it. 194 00:12:58,170 --> 00:13:04,050 Cameron Bunker: Exactly. So that's really been my focus for the last 195 00:13:04,110 --> 00:13:08,220 Cameron Bunker: four or five years and the company's taken on a life 196 00:13:08,610 --> 00:13:13,830 Cameron Bunker: of its own now. We're growing in leaps and bounds. 197 00:13:14,970 --> 00:13:18,330 Cameron Bunker: We decided to pivot and start looking at where we 198 00:13:18,330 --> 00:13:22,620 Cameron Bunker: could expand and what kind of works we could do. 199 00:13:22,830 --> 00:13:25,978 Cameron Bunker: And so, hence we've just changed the company name from 200 00:13:25,979 --> 00:13:36,690 Cameron Bunker: MIB Traffic to MIB projects, and we're now up around 201 00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:44,729 Cameron Bunker: 200 staff and we're anywhere between 30 and 40% aboriginal employment. 202 00:13:45,990 --> 00:13:52,020 Mundanara Bayles: Which is massive when most Australian companies, especially with reconciliation 203 00:13:52,020 --> 00:13:57,989 Mundanara Bayles: action plans, they're struggling to hit 1%. They're struggling to 204 00:13:57,990 --> 00:14:02,790 Mundanara Bayles: reach their 3% target. They're struggling to get to 1%. You're 205 00:14:02,790 --> 00:14:06,030 Mundanara Bayles: a 30 to 40% because that's the vision. 206 00:14:06,720 --> 00:14:13,410 Cameron Bunker: That's right. That's the vision, the company's why. It really 207 00:14:13,410 --> 00:14:17,490 Cameron Bunker: is to provide that social value. So now we deal 208 00:14:17,490 --> 00:14:23,249 Cameron Bunker: with BHP, FMG, Rio Tinto, all the big resource companies, 209 00:14:23,549 --> 00:14:26,610 Cameron Bunker: and that's really because they're the companies that are operating 210 00:14:26,610 --> 00:14:27,390 Cameron Bunker: on country. 211 00:14:27,660 --> 00:14:32,400 Mundanara Bayles: Of course, that's the only industry and opportunities. So it 212 00:14:32,400 --> 00:14:38,370 Mundanara Bayles: makes sense, you're not taking people from community, right? 213 00:14:39,180 --> 00:14:39,901 Cameron Bunker: Yeah, that's one of the challenges. 214 00:14:39,901 --> 00:14:48,510 Mundanara Bayles: Some people have to leave. They've got to leave community to get into the workforce. So one of your goals or objectives is 215 00:14:48,510 --> 00:14:51,990 Mundanara Bayles: trying to provide opportunities on country or close to country, 216 00:14:52,620 --> 00:14:54,690 Mundanara Bayles: whereas a lot of the opportunities they've got to leave. 217 00:14:55,200 --> 00:15:01,530 Cameron Bunker: That's right. So the company's mission, when we start to 218 00:15:01,530 --> 00:15:09,809 Cameron Bunker: dive into it, it's really to provide that sustainable pathways 219 00:15:09,809 --> 00:15:14,369 Cameron Bunker: for employment. So it's not providing sustainable employment, but it's 220 00:15:14,370 --> 00:15:17,639 Cameron Bunker: providing the pathways. So it's working out how we can 221 00:15:17,639 --> 00:15:23,340 Cameron Bunker: be that conduit between these large international multi- billion dollar businesses- 222 00:15:24,810 --> 00:15:26,640 Mundanara Bayles: You don't mind if you lose, you don't mind if you lose some of these mob 223 00:15:26,730 --> 00:15:28,020 Mundanara Bayles: that go into those big- 224 00:15:28,020 --> 00:15:28,021 Cameron Bunker: No. 225 00:15:28,021 --> 00:15:28,022 Mundanara Bayles: So you don't see that as a threat or a... 226 00:15:28,022 --> 00:15:35,220 Cameron Bunker: No. It's a challenge, but it's certainly not like we've 227 00:15:35,220 --> 00:15:39,840 Cameron Bunker: got a huge number of success stories of people who 228 00:15:39,840 --> 00:15:43,381 Cameron Bunker: have come in and had the opportunity with MIB Projects. 229 00:15:43,381 --> 00:15:45,120 Mundanara Bayles: Yeah, but got probably their first job. 230 00:15:46,260 --> 00:15:47,610 Cameron Bunker: Right, exactly. 231 00:15:47,610 --> 00:15:50,849 Mundanara Bayles: So you're skilling them up and like you said, their pathways. 232 00:15:50,849 --> 00:15:54,449 Mundanara Bayles: I think that's so important for people to understand, that 233 00:15:55,050 --> 00:16:00,480 Mundanara Bayles: obviously they're listening to this podcast is that these pathways 234 00:16:02,280 --> 00:16:06,179 Mundanara Bayles: that create obviously opportunities the next stepping stone, but we're 235 00:16:06,179 --> 00:16:10,559 Mundanara Bayles: just talking about being able to wake up, come to 236 00:16:10,559 --> 00:16:16,230 Mundanara Bayles: work on time, understand the workforce, understand the industry, the 237 00:16:16,230 --> 00:16:20,940 Mundanara Bayles: sector, the company, all of those things. And a lot 238 00:16:20,940 --> 00:16:25,020 Mundanara Bayles: of non- Aboriginal people take for granted. You fellows know 239 00:16:25,020 --> 00:16:28,649 Mundanara Bayles: all this, especially if you've been living in cities and 240 00:16:28,650 --> 00:16:34,320 Mundanara Bayles: generations of your people have had opportunities and access to 241 00:16:34,320 --> 00:16:38,730 Mundanara Bayles: opportunities. You've got some of these people in the Pilbara, 242 00:16:38,730 --> 00:16:41,070 Mundanara Bayles: I imagine, where English is their fifth language. 243 00:16:41,219 --> 00:16:41,610 Cameron Bunker: That's it. 244 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:46,920 Mundanara Bayles: So these are some of the... They're not barriers, but challenges. 245 00:16:46,920 --> 00:16:47,879 Cameron Bunker: Challenges, right. 246 00:16:47,879 --> 00:16:51,810 Mundanara Bayles: That organizations like yours, you have to figure that out 247 00:16:52,020 --> 00:16:54,540 Mundanara Bayles: so that you're not setting our mob up for failure. 248 00:16:54,630 --> 00:16:55,110 Cameron Bunker: That's right. 249 00:16:55,200 --> 00:16:57,179 Mundanara Bayles: So I love the fact that you're saying it's not about employment 250 00:16:57,179 --> 00:17:00,059 Mundanara Bayles: opportunities, it's a big part of it, but it's about pathways. 251 00:17:00,059 --> 00:17:03,599 Cameron Bunker: Yeah, definitely. So when you get into the really nitty- 252 00:17:03,599 --> 00:17:07,379 Cameron Bunker: gritty things, there's some amazing things happening within the business 253 00:17:07,859 --> 00:17:12,720 Cameron Bunker: that I probably couldn't claim to take- 254 00:17:13,800 --> 00:17:14,310 Mundanara Bayles: All the credit for. 255 00:17:14,310 --> 00:17:17,429 Cameron Bunker: ... all the credit for at all. Yeah, there's some fantastic 256 00:17:17,429 --> 00:17:23,580 Cameron Bunker: things happening. We're running a busing service. So traditionally, a 257 00:17:23,580 --> 00:17:26,520 Cameron Bunker: lot of these mine sites like to employ people fly 258 00:17:26,520 --> 00:17:31,740 Cameron Bunker: in, fly out, one size fits all, and you can't 259 00:17:31,740 --> 00:17:34,770 Cameron Bunker: fit the square peg into a round hole kind of 260 00:17:34,770 --> 00:17:40,258 Cameron Bunker: thing. So we focus in on what it is that 261 00:17:40,260 --> 00:17:43,290 Cameron Bunker: we can do to assist and support. 262 00:17:44,310 --> 00:17:45,720 Mundanara Bayles: Looking at those gaps again. 263 00:17:46,890 --> 00:17:49,138 Cameron Bunker: Yeah. So something as simple as having a drive in, 264 00:17:49,140 --> 00:17:53,700 Cameron Bunker: drive out service and consulting with the big business to 265 00:17:53,700 --> 00:17:56,430 Cameron Bunker: explain why it's so important for us to have that, 266 00:17:57,719 --> 00:18:01,200 Cameron Bunker: putting controls around it so that it's deemed safe and 267 00:18:01,200 --> 00:18:07,770 Cameron Bunker: we get approval. But then, so there's that. There's looking 268 00:18:07,770 --> 00:18:12,329 Cameron Bunker: at all kinds of things. We pay weekly, something that's- 269 00:18:12,329 --> 00:18:14,791 Mundanara Bayles: Is that fortnightly or monthly? 270 00:18:14,791 --> 00:18:18,030 Cameron Bunker: ... fortnightly or monthly, we pay weekly. So that helps us retain stuff. 271 00:18:18,030 --> 00:18:21,570 Mundanara Bayles: It might be a bit more admin. 272 00:18:21,570 --> 00:18:24,810 Cameron Bunker: Yeah, it's a bit more admin and you've got to monitor cashflow and all those kinds of 273 00:18:24,810 --> 00:18:28,860 Cameron Bunker: things, but it helps to support that ecosystem. 274 00:18:29,070 --> 00:18:34,560 Mundanara Bayles: Of course. And those people, they're the reason why you exist. 275 00:18:34,859 --> 00:18:35,458 Cameron Bunker: Exactly. 276 00:18:35,910 --> 00:18:37,710 Mundanara Bayles: Like you said, you want to become the number one 277 00:18:37,710 --> 00:18:41,280 Mundanara Bayles: employee of choice for Aboriginal people in the Pilbara. I 278 00:18:41,280 --> 00:18:44,700 Mundanara Bayles: love the vision. So how did you get involved with 279 00:18:44,700 --> 00:18:48,208 Mundanara Bayles: ANZ Bank? Have you always banked with ANZ? 280 00:18:48,209 --> 00:18:48,270 Cameron Bunker: No. 281 00:18:50,459 --> 00:18:54,388 Mundanara Bayles: Well, I didn't either. I was with CommBank and CommBank got my 282 00:18:54,388 --> 00:18:55,830 Mundanara Bayles: business from Suncorp Bank. 283 00:18:58,440 --> 00:19:02,370 Cameron Bunker: Okay. And now I'm with ANZ Bank. So tell us how you come across ANZ. 284 00:19:02,910 --> 00:19:05,130 Cameron Bunker: That's probably the reason why we're sitting here having this yarn. 285 00:19:05,130 --> 00:19:10,138 Cameron Bunker: Yeah, I'd say so. Look, the ANZ has been incredible. 286 00:19:11,100 --> 00:19:16,440 Cameron Bunker: We were flashing up on their database or something flashing red. 287 00:19:17,310 --> 00:19:18,630 Mundanara Bayles: As a flag there in the system? 288 00:19:18,690 --> 00:19:22,438 Cameron Bunker: Yep, and when they came in they sort of did a deep dive into the 289 00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:25,050 Cameron Bunker: company and started to really understand and unpack it, and 290 00:19:25,920 --> 00:19:30,600 Cameron Bunker: that's been incredible. So we're flashing red, we're growing so 291 00:19:30,600 --> 00:19:35,550 Cameron Bunker: fast and keeping up and I think traditionally, ANZ might 292 00:19:35,550 --> 00:19:41,460 Cameron Bunker: steer away from businesses that are deemed high risk. But 293 00:19:41,580 --> 00:19:45,270 Cameron Bunker: what we were able to do is again, back to 294 00:19:45,270 --> 00:19:51,300 Cameron Bunker: FMG, through an initiative that they were undertaking was that we were 295 00:19:51,300 --> 00:19:57,960 Cameron Bunker: able to tap into a finance package where FMG were 296 00:19:58,020 --> 00:20:03,300 Cameron Bunker: acting as guarantor on the contract. And that's helped us 297 00:20:03,900 --> 00:20:07,259 Cameron Bunker: set the business on a good platform to be able 298 00:20:07,259 --> 00:20:11,550 Cameron Bunker: to achieve the goals that we're setting out to achieve. 299 00:20:12,540 --> 00:20:15,660 Cameron Bunker: So that's sort of where ANZ came in. 300 00:20:15,660 --> 00:20:18,388 Mundanara Bayles: And it's a new initiative or is it just new 301 00:20:18,388 --> 00:20:20,100 Mundanara Bayles: for you fellows? It's been around for a while? 302 00:20:20,130 --> 00:20:24,119 Cameron Bunker: Yeah, it's been around for a while, we're really understanding 303 00:20:24,119 --> 00:20:28,470 Cameron Bunker: it. I think it's really set up for smaller businesses. 304 00:20:28,859 --> 00:20:32,428 Cameron Bunker: And three years ago, we weren't anywhere near where we 305 00:20:32,429 --> 00:20:35,490 Cameron Bunker: are now. So whether we need that in the future, 306 00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:37,648 Cameron Bunker: hopefully we can stand on our own two feet and 307 00:20:37,650 --> 00:20:41,369 Cameron Bunker: we don't need to go for these corporate guarantees and 308 00:20:41,369 --> 00:20:42,720 Cameron Bunker: things we don't need to go to. 309 00:20:43,050 --> 00:20:46,770 Mundanara Bayles: Well, you're giving these opportunities to other Black businesses then 310 00:20:47,310 --> 00:20:50,369 Mundanara Bayles: that's it that are going to benefit. So I'm sure they 311 00:20:50,369 --> 00:20:54,809 Mundanara Bayles: can't help everyone have the potential to be as big 312 00:20:54,809 --> 00:20:58,888 Mundanara Bayles: and successful as your fellows are. So it's kind of 313 00:20:58,888 --> 00:21:02,910 Mundanara Bayles: like when you can stand on your own two feet, 314 00:21:02,910 --> 00:21:04,800 Mundanara Bayles: you are giving up that spot basically- 315 00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:04,920 Cameron Bunker: That's it. 316 00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:09,479 Mundanara Bayles: ... for another Black business, do you know if it's Western 317 00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:13,349 Mundanara Bayles: Australian based or Pilbara based? Because FMG is definitely Pilbara 318 00:21:13,349 --> 00:21:13,888 Mundanara Bayles: based, aren't they? 319 00:21:13,888 --> 00:21:18,869 Cameron Bunker: Yeah, they are. I'm not a 100% sure, I'd say it might 320 00:21:18,869 --> 00:21:20,458 Cameron Bunker: be Australia wide, bu- 321 00:21:21,570 --> 00:21:21,688 Mundanara Bayles: It could be. 322 00:21:21,690 --> 00:21:24,930 Cameron Bunker: It's definitely for businesses I think that engage with FMG, 323 00:21:25,859 --> 00:21:29,789 Cameron Bunker: we're hopeful that we might be able to work with 324 00:21:30,150 --> 00:21:35,129 Cameron Bunker: BHP on them setting something similar up. I mean, these 325 00:21:35,129 --> 00:21:41,100 Cameron Bunker: large resource companies, they have a huge demand for aboriginal 326 00:21:41,100 --> 00:21:44,309 Cameron Bunker: business and the commitments that they're making in terms of 327 00:21:44,309 --> 00:21:46,438 Cameron Bunker: their spends with aboriginal business. 328 00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:49,560 Mundanara Bayles: How much are we talking about? What are these big spends? 329 00:21:50,099 --> 00:21:53,849 Cameron Bunker: Well, look, I don't know exactly the numbers off the 330 00:21:53,850 --> 00:21:55,020 Cameron Bunker: top of my head, but they're big. 331 00:21:55,740 --> 00:21:58,290 Mundanara Bayles: Are we talking like a billion dollars? A couple of $100 million? 332 00:21:58,830 --> 00:22:03,420 Cameron Bunker: No, I think BHP maybe by 2030 is looking at 1. 333 00:22:03,420 --> 00:22:06,240 Cameron Bunker: 5 billion spend with aboriginal business. 334 00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:06,839 Mundanara Bayles: Stop it. 335 00:22:07,199 --> 00:22:07,500 Cameron Bunker: Yeah, so it's huge. 336 00:22:07,500 --> 00:22:15,330 Mundanara Bayles: This is really exciting for Black fellows in business. It's been 337 00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:17,820 Mundanara Bayles: the lack of the draw, if you want to say 338 00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:24,148 Mundanara Bayles: that. We've been locked out of the economy. We haven't 339 00:22:24,150 --> 00:22:29,400 Mundanara Bayles: had an opportunity to participate in society right up until 340 00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:33,300 Mundanara Bayles: we became citizens. So this is really exciting for us, 341 00:22:34,020 --> 00:22:37,050 Mundanara Bayles: for our mob to hear these stories in particular. And 342 00:22:37,050 --> 00:22:41,490 Mundanara Bayles: for non- aboriginal business owners to look at this example 343 00:22:42,090 --> 00:22:47,069 Mundanara Bayles: as a business or a case study and to be 344 00:22:47,070 --> 00:22:53,010 Mundanara Bayles: inspired and we can work together to achieve mutual outcomes 345 00:22:53,010 --> 00:23:02,280 Mundanara Bayles: or benefits. So what's been one of the biggest challenges, 346 00:23:02,849 --> 00:23:05,250 Mundanara Bayles: if you could name one of the biggest challenges... 347 00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:09,060 Cameron Bunker: Gosh, there's been a lot. 348 00:23:09,060 --> 00:23:13,440 Mundanara Bayles: I'm sure there has. White fellows being kind of assimilated 349 00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:17,820 Mundanara Bayles: into Black fella world and being able to operate on 350 00:23:17,820 --> 00:23:21,599 Mundanara Bayles: aboriginal terms. You want to do business with Black fellows for 351 00:23:21,599 --> 00:23:26,790 Mundanara Bayles: far too long we as Aboriginal people have been forced 352 00:23:26,820 --> 00:23:30,990 Mundanara Bayles: to participate in white or mainstream society. So it's the 353 00:23:30,990 --> 00:23:33,659 Mundanara Bayles: other way around now. You're not being forced, you put 354 00:23:33,660 --> 00:23:36,599 Mundanara Bayles: your hand up, you took the voluntary, it was a 355 00:23:36,599 --> 00:23:41,250 Mundanara Bayles: voluntary for you to do this. In terms of being 356 00:23:41,250 --> 00:23:47,310 Mundanara Bayles: able to work with these elders, our old people, maybe 357 00:23:47,310 --> 00:23:51,270 Mundanara Bayles: what's one of the biggest learnings and instead of challenges, 358 00:23:51,270 --> 00:23:53,460 Mundanara Bayles: let's turn it, what's been one of the biggest learnings? 359 00:23:53,490 --> 00:24:03,420 Cameron Bunker: Yeah, sure. So I think it's, for me, personally the understanding and 360 00:24:03,420 --> 00:24:11,099 Cameron Bunker: the cultural awareness training, that kind of stuff. For so 361 00:24:11,099 --> 00:24:15,178 Cameron Bunker: long we've been focused head down, bum up, and not 362 00:24:15,179 --> 00:24:18,779 Cameron Bunker: even coming up for air kind of thing. So for 363 00:24:20,550 --> 00:24:24,150 Cameron Bunker: me, that's where I want to focus on is that 364 00:24:24,420 --> 00:24:31,888 Cameron Bunker: cultural awareness and trying to bridge that gap where recognizing 365 00:24:31,888 --> 00:24:41,130 Cameron Bunker: that we're working in aboriginal community and business, being able 366 00:24:41,130 --> 00:24:46,860 Cameron Bunker: to communicate effectively with the elders and things like that is- 367 00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:56,820 Mundanara Bayles: Without offending or disrespecting. And there's a lot of people like you, Cameron and Adam, your business partner, that 368 00:24:56,820 --> 00:25:02,550 Mundanara Bayles: have good intentions and really want to be part of 369 00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:07,769 Mundanara Bayles: positive change on a personal level, on a societal level, 370 00:25:07,770 --> 00:25:14,790 Mundanara Bayles: but for this country to start to see the value 371 00:25:14,790 --> 00:25:21,000 Mundanara Bayles: and embrace us as Aboriginal people. In fact embrace the 372 00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:25,530 Mundanara Bayles: rich history and heritage of this country that dates back 373 00:25:26,369 --> 00:25:28,590 Mundanara Bayles: at least 140, 000 years. 374 00:25:28,590 --> 00:25:29,369 Cameron Bunker: It's incredible, right? 375 00:25:29,369 --> 00:25:34,350 Mundanara Bayles: It's incredible. What does your family say about your path, 376 00:25:34,350 --> 00:25:37,200 Mundanara Bayles: your journey, where you've ended up, and I know you're 377 00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:39,840 Mundanara Bayles: still young, you've still got other things that you're probably 378 00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:42,478 Mundanara Bayles: going to achieve in your life, but what has it 379 00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:47,129 Mundanara Bayles: been like in terms of your family to see you 380 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:50,609 Mundanara Bayles: run and be in business with aboriginal people? 381 00:25:51,270 --> 00:26:00,929 Cameron Bunker: So look, I've got two elder sisters and my parents 382 00:26:00,929 --> 00:26:04,949 Cameron Bunker: and they're all back in Tasmania. Each time I talk 383 00:26:04,949 --> 00:26:08,430 Cameron Bunker: to them, something else is happening and so exciting and 384 00:26:09,270 --> 00:26:12,418 Cameron Bunker: they've got my full support. They've been incredible. 385 00:26:12,990 --> 00:26:15,210 Mundanara Bayles: Are you finding yourself educating them? 386 00:26:15,719 --> 00:26:20,880 Cameron Bunker: Yeah, definitely. Every opportunity I get to go home and 387 00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:23,879 Cameron Bunker: we sit around the dinner table and we have these 388 00:26:23,879 --> 00:26:33,388 Cameron Bunker: discussions and I think especially in Tasmania, the history has 389 00:26:33,388 --> 00:26:41,340 Cameron Bunker: been swept under the carpet. For me, growing up in 390 00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:45,570 Cameron Bunker: any of the textbooks and everything like that through school, 391 00:26:46,140 --> 00:26:51,119 Cameron Bunker: there was no education of anything prior to European settlement. 392 00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:54,690 Mundanara Bayles: Or supposedly Truganini being the last Aboriginal full blood who 393 00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:58,080 Mundanara Bayles: died and there's no Aboriginal people left. That was what 394 00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:03,600 Mundanara Bayles: most Tasmanian people were taught. But Black fellows would say, " 395 00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:04,380 Mundanara Bayles: Well, hold a minute..." 396 00:27:04,740 --> 00:27:04,921 Cameron Bunker: That's it. 397 00:27:04,921 --> 00:27:06,688 Mundanara Bayles: " We all didn't wait for them to turn up 398 00:27:06,690 --> 00:27:09,690 Mundanara Bayles: and shoot us." We got out of there the ones 399 00:27:09,690 --> 00:27:12,448 Mundanara Bayles: that could escape of Flinders Island. There's a lot of 400 00:27:12,450 --> 00:27:17,549 Mundanara Bayles: Aboriginal people from Tasmania that have been living in Narrm in 401 00:27:17,549 --> 00:27:25,530 Mundanara Bayles: Melbourne for eight generations. It's incredible hearing these stories and 402 00:27:25,530 --> 00:27:28,138 Mundanara Bayles: it's so important that we get these opportunities to learn 403 00:27:28,138 --> 00:27:32,519 Mundanara Bayles: from each other. Black fellow, white fella, indigenous known indigenous, 404 00:27:32,940 --> 00:27:38,550 Mundanara Bayles: we've got so much to offer, especially white Australia. For 405 00:27:38,550 --> 00:27:40,710 Mundanara Bayles: us as Black fellows, we've got so much to offer 406 00:27:42,270 --> 00:27:45,000 Mundanara Bayles: and it's just still kind of saddens me that we're 407 00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:49,380 Mundanara Bayles: still where we are as a nation, but as individuals 408 00:27:51,150 --> 00:27:54,629 Mundanara Bayles: there's so much goodwill, there's so much that's happening that 409 00:27:54,630 --> 00:27:58,200 Mundanara Bayles: we don't get to hear about. So I'm so thankful 410 00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:02,668 Mundanara Bayles: and I feel really appreciative that I've been able to 411 00:28:02,730 --> 00:28:08,549 Mundanara Bayles: partner with ANZ Bank to bring this series to mainstream Australia 412 00:28:08,549 --> 00:28:12,750 Mundanara Bayles: and also to the rest of the world. I roll 413 00:28:12,750 --> 00:28:16,738 Mundanara Bayles: out all of ANZ Bank's cultural capability training and I've 414 00:28:16,740 --> 00:28:20,160 Mundanara Bayles: been rolling that out to the bank for about four 415 00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:24,779 Mundanara Bayles: or five years and that in itself, their investment in 416 00:28:24,780 --> 00:28:29,340 Mundanara Bayles: my company and I'm in business with my elders. To 417 00:28:29,340 --> 00:28:37,260 Mundanara Bayles: me, obviously I feel quite... I don't feel appreciative because 418 00:28:37,260 --> 00:28:41,099 Mundanara Bayles: we work hard. Nothing's given to us. It's not a 419 00:28:41,099 --> 00:28:43,889 Mundanara Bayles: grant or whatever. You don't apply for it. You've got 420 00:28:43,889 --> 00:28:49,080 Mundanara Bayles: to be able to justify your business case or what 421 00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:52,260 Mundanara Bayles: your value proposition is. There's other Black fellows that do 422 00:28:52,260 --> 00:28:54,810 Mundanara Bayles: what we do, but do it a little bit differently. 423 00:28:56,010 --> 00:29:01,410 Mundanara Bayles: So it's not easy in particular in my circumstances, to 424 00:29:01,410 --> 00:29:05,909 Mundanara Bayles: be an aboriginal woman in business, to not have government 425 00:29:05,910 --> 00:29:08,880 Mundanara Bayles: support because we don't need it. But a lot of non- 426 00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:12,150 Mundanara Bayles: Aboriginal people think if you're a successful Black business, then 427 00:29:12,150 --> 00:29:16,679 Mundanara Bayles: obviously you've got government supporter or handouts. And so, there's 428 00:29:16,679 --> 00:29:19,889 Mundanara Bayles: a whole lot of education and there's a whole lot 429 00:29:19,889 --> 00:29:23,758 Mundanara Bayles: of unfortunate, there's a whole lot of misinformation. So you are in a 430 00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:28,440 Mundanara Bayles: unique position or you can bridge that gap within your 431 00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:34,050 Mundanara Bayles: own family and start to get them to see Aboriginal 432 00:29:34,050 --> 00:29:37,861 Mundanara Bayles: people through a different lens. What about your own? You've got children? 433 00:29:37,861 --> 00:29:37,862 Cameron Bunker: I do. 434 00:29:37,862 --> 00:29:37,863 Mundanara Bayles: You do? 435 00:29:37,863 --> 00:29:48,270 Cameron Bunker: Yeah. Look, I spoke about my family. I didn't mention my wife, Chelsea. 436 00:29:48,630 --> 00:29:48,631 Mundanara Bayles: There you go. 437 00:29:48,631 --> 00:29:54,660 Cameron Bunker: So yeah, she's an incredible woman. She's just started back at 438 00:29:54,660 --> 00:29:57,989 Cameron Bunker: school actually today along with the two kids. I've got 439 00:29:57,990 --> 00:30:02,100 Cameron Bunker: Elise and Jo, they're year one and year three. And 440 00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:06,121 Cameron Bunker: so, look, they're incredible. They keep me going. 441 00:30:06,121 --> 00:30:06,122 Mundanara Bayles: They put up with you. 442 00:30:06,122 --> 00:30:10,979 Cameron Bunker: Yeah, they put up with me. 443 00:30:12,660 --> 00:30:18,720 Mundanara Bayles: Everything that you're doing, you got to have a deadly woman, holding it 444 00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:23,310 Mundanara Bayles: down, looking after kids and trying to keep you going as well. 445 00:30:23,700 --> 00:30:24,510 Cameron Bunker: Yeah, definitely. 446 00:30:24,510 --> 00:30:27,270 Mundanara Bayles: We can't forget these amazing women in our lives. 447 00:30:27,510 --> 00:30:33,720 Cameron Bunker: She's incredible. So she's West Australian, born and bred and 448 00:30:35,370 --> 00:30:41,640 Cameron Bunker: just a fantastic support for letting me do what I 449 00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:44,730 Cameron Bunker: do. So yeah, I'm really thankful for that. 450 00:30:45,599 --> 00:30:47,790 Mundanara Bayles: I'm glad we mentioned it because we're about to wrap 451 00:30:47,790 --> 00:30:51,690 Mundanara Bayles: up this yarn and my kids always say to me, " 452 00:30:51,690 --> 00:30:55,350 Mundanara Bayles: You didn't even say hello to me, mom." So I think it's 453 00:30:55,350 --> 00:31:00,960 Mundanara Bayles: so important that we don't forget those little people in 454 00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:05,190 Mundanara Bayles: our lives because they're watching us and they're listening and 455 00:31:05,190 --> 00:31:09,929 Mundanara Bayles: they're taking a lot of it in. I'm excited especially 456 00:31:09,929 --> 00:31:13,890 Mundanara Bayles: for your children, because I can only imagine that you're 457 00:31:13,890 --> 00:31:19,020 Mundanara Bayles: going to be passing down all this knowledge and experience 458 00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:22,859 Mundanara Bayles: for them to pick up from where you leave off. 459 00:31:22,860 --> 00:31:24,690 Mundanara Bayles: They're going to be running this business too one day 460 00:31:24,690 --> 00:31:30,359 Mundanara Bayles: and that's what excites me with my kids about being 461 00:31:30,359 --> 00:31:35,430 Mundanara Bayles: in business and being entrepreneurs. So what else are you 462 00:31:35,430 --> 00:31:38,040 Mundanara Bayles: going to do? Before we wrap up, what's next? Is 463 00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:38,700 Mundanara Bayles: there anything? 464 00:31:39,210 --> 00:31:39,750 Cameron Bunker: What's next? 465 00:31:39,750 --> 00:31:42,630 Mundanara Bayles: Or you just focus on what you're doing and keep doing 466 00:31:42,630 --> 00:31:43,139 Mundanara Bayles: that well? 467 00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:47,549 Cameron Bunker: Yeah, I think so. We're not looking to consolidate or 468 00:31:47,549 --> 00:31:50,580 Cameron Bunker: anything like that. We're definitely looking to continue to expand. 469 00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:56,160 Cameron Bunker: Ideally, I would love to circle back onto some environmental 470 00:31:56,160 --> 00:32:00,240 Cameron Bunker: work, and I know that the community, just because there's 471 00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:03,389 Cameron Bunker: mining on country, it doesn't mean that we need to 472 00:32:03,389 --> 00:32:05,880 Cameron Bunker: be always be working just on mining. 473 00:32:06,060 --> 00:32:07,710 Mundanara Bayles: Because mining's not going to be forever. 474 00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:08,160 Cameron Bunker: No, it's not. 475 00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:12,630 Mundanara Bayles: It's limited, there's a timeframe with industries like that. 476 00:32:12,690 --> 00:32:19,050 Cameron Bunker: Yeah, the destruction of the country as well. It's a 477 00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:24,120 Cameron Bunker: very hot topic and we could talk forever about it. 478 00:32:24,209 --> 00:32:29,760 Cameron Bunker: But ideally, if we could circle back and maybe get 479 00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:37,049 Cameron Bunker: into some rehab work or there's... I don't know, renewables. 480 00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:43,020 Cameron Bunker: Look, there's mine site rehabilitation is a huge space. And 481 00:32:44,370 --> 00:32:47,520 Cameron Bunker: again, as an aboriginal business and community owned business, I 482 00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:53,070 Cameron Bunker: think definitely, there's a requirement for us to be looking at 483 00:32:53,070 --> 00:32:54,000 Cameron Bunker: working in that space. 484 00:32:54,509 --> 00:32:57,299 Mundanara Bayles: Well they got the right person with your background. 485 00:32:57,629 --> 00:32:57,899 Cameron Bunker: I hope so. 486 00:32:57,899 --> 00:33:03,750 Mundanara Bayles: Don't let it go to waste. Look, I am really 487 00:33:03,750 --> 00:33:06,930 Mundanara Bayles: excited. I haven't had a yarn with anyone on this 488 00:33:06,930 --> 00:33:09,540 Mundanara Bayles: podcast over the last three years. I'm talking about 130 489 00:33:09,540 --> 00:33:15,750 Mundanara Bayles: episodes. So this yarn is different, it's unique. So I'm 490 00:33:15,750 --> 00:33:20,339 Mundanara Bayles: really thankful that you got the call- up to be able to- 491 00:33:20,339 --> 00:33:20,460 Cameron Bunker: Thank you. 492 00:33:20,460 --> 00:33:25,170 Mundanara Bayles: ... represent this business. But thank you as well for 493 00:33:25,170 --> 00:33:30,630 Mundanara Bayles: doing what you're doing. Like I said, it's stories like 494 00:33:30,630 --> 00:33:33,809 Mundanara Bayles: these that need to be told of how we can 495 00:33:33,809 --> 00:33:38,820 Mundanara Bayles: work together and just imagine what kind of country our 496 00:33:38,820 --> 00:33:42,450 Mundanara Bayles: children and our children's children are going to grow up 497 00:33:42,450 --> 00:33:45,180 Mundanara Bayles: in because we've taken the first step. 498 00:33:45,330 --> 00:33:49,979 Cameron Bunker: That's it. It's a generational thing and that's why the 499 00:33:49,980 --> 00:33:52,770 Cameron Bunker: kids are so important, right? But it is a generational 500 00:33:52,770 --> 00:33:57,330 Cameron Bunker: thing and there's no quick fixes, there's no stop gaps 501 00:33:57,330 --> 00:34:01,470 Cameron Bunker: and plugging holes, none of that. It's getting down dirty, 502 00:34:01,470 --> 00:34:04,560 Cameron Bunker: getting in the trenches and just having a crack. 503 00:34:06,540 --> 00:34:11,189 Mundanara Bayles: Good on you for literally throwing yourself in there, you 504 00:34:11,189 --> 00:34:14,910 Mundanara Bayles: and your business partner. Big shout out to you, Adam. 505 00:34:15,030 --> 00:34:16,469 Mundanara Bayles: Next time, we might get you on and have a 506 00:34:16,469 --> 00:34:20,249 Mundanara Bayles: yarn. But yeah, thank you for making time to be 507 00:34:20,250 --> 00:34:26,968 Mundanara Bayles: here and to just share your story, your life, what 508 00:34:26,969 --> 00:34:30,209 Mundanara Bayles: an amazing so far from all the things that you've 509 00:34:30,209 --> 00:34:33,180 Mundanara Bayles: done to get to where you are. And I'm pretty 510 00:34:33,180 --> 00:34:34,980 Mundanara Bayles: sure there's more to come. 511 00:34:35,460 --> 00:34:35,880 Cameron Bunker: Definitely. 512 00:34:37,410 --> 00:34:38,399 Mundanara Bayles: But thank you for coming. 513 00:34:38,550 --> 00:34:39,210 Cameron Bunker: Thanks very much- 514 00:34:39,210 --> 00:34:39,541 Mundanara Bayles: No worries. 515 00:34:39,541 --> 00:34:40,230 Cameron Bunker: ... for having me. 516 00:34:40,860 --> 00:34:43,739 Mundanara Bayles: Well, look, I am pretty sure that for people out 517 00:34:43,739 --> 00:34:49,830 Mundanara Bayles: there that are wondering about business opportunities, ring up ANZ 518 00:34:49,950 --> 00:34:53,910 Mundanara Bayles: Bank. There are actually Black fellows working in the business 519 00:34:53,940 --> 00:34:59,280 Mundanara Bayles: that are business bankers. 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