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Speaker 1: But joining me in the studio right now is the

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Speaker 1: opposition leader Lea fanocchi Aro.

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Speaker 2: Good morning to you, Lea, Good morning Katie and your

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Speaker 2: wonderful listeners.

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Speaker 1: Lea. We wouldn't usually have you on two days in

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Speaker 1: a row, but it's such massive news actually over the

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Speaker 1: last twenty four hours, so we do need to speak

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Speaker 1: to you again.

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Speaker 3: First off, what was your response to this review?

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Speaker 2: My initial response was that, well, Labour want people to

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Speaker 2: think that we have a broken police force. What we

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Speaker 2: actually have is a broken government and the report was

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Speaker 2: scathing of Labor with how it's dealt with the Triple

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Speaker 2: zero Center, calls demands on police on crime being the

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Speaker 2: highest it's ever been in our one hundred and fifty

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Speaker 2: four year police history, highest attrition rates in the country,

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Speaker 2: some very damning statistics there that paint a very bleak

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Speaker 2: picture of a government that's clearly out of its depth,

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Speaker 2: has no ability to deliver and is desdrawing people's lives

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Speaker 2: in the process.

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Speaker 1: By the look of what Vince Kelly has said in

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Speaker 1: that review, there have been a number of different incidents

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Speaker 1: or different situations over the last ten years that have

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Speaker 1: really sort of led to the police morale dropping quite substantially.

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Speaker 1: And look, I get what you're saying in terms of

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Speaker 1: that legislation. I think a lot of people will agree

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Speaker 1: there does need to be legislative changes. But how big

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Speaker 1: an impact do you think that some of those some

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Speaker 1: of those different incidents have had on the police force.

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Speaker 2: They've had a profound impact. And this is why Katie

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Speaker 2: I have stood in Parliament seven times over a number

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Speaker 2: of years and called for a full parliamentary inquiry into

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Speaker 2: our police force. This is years too late, and it

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Speaker 2: was a government desperately not wanting to pop the hood

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Speaker 2: on the police force because it knew that it's the

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Speaker 2: failures sit with them, not with our police. And so

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Speaker 2: you know, the report talks about and it calls it

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Speaker 2: deeply traumatic events that have happened. I mean, you've got

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Speaker 2: obviously the comments made by Michael Gunner about consequences will flow.

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Speaker 2: You've got a whole range of incidences that have totally

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Speaker 2: destroyed and demoralized our police force and a government that

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Speaker 2: hasn't acknowledged, that hasn't dealt with that issue and then

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Speaker 2: continue to underfund our police, have weak laws so that

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Speaker 2: crime continues out of control. Put more in our police

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Speaker 2: than ever before not have other agencies pick up the

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Speaker 2: slack where they need to be, not driving down crime.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's been a disastrous period for our police

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Speaker 2: to suffer under and they're the ones paying the price.

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Speaker 2: And it's our community paying the price for Labour's failures.

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Speaker 2: And even yesterday you didn't see contrition from evil Lawla

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Speaker 2: or Brent Potter acknowledging that the harm that they've caused

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Speaker 2: over policy failure after policy failure, they're just picking up

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Speaker 2: and carrying on like as if they're somehow going to

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Speaker 2: be able to deliver this before August, which they absolutely won't.

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Speaker 1: Well, she said that that by the end of June

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Speaker 1: this year they are going to have you know, they're

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Speaker 1: going to have a plan of how exactly it's going

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Speaker 1: to be implemented. I could be paraphrasing there, but then

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Speaker 1: by basically June of next year, much of those recommendations

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Speaker 1: are going to being trained to be implemented. Lea, do

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Speaker 1: you accept all of those recommendations? There was eighteen, the

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Speaker 1: government's only accepted fifteen.

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Speaker 3: What does secal P.

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Speaker 2: Say, So we accept fifteen recommendations in full. We accept

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Speaker 2: two recommendations in part, Katie, and one we don't support

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Speaker 2: it all, so I can.

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Speaker 3: Go through through those if you can.

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Speaker 2: So. Recommendation ten has acknowledged that our police do all

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Speaker 2: of the transfers of prisoners between police and court for example,

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Speaker 2: and it's just literally like a taxi service. And that's

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Speaker 2: because our corrections are overworked and under resourced as well,

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Speaker 2: so police are picking up that slack. Now that's attributing

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Speaker 2: to over six thousand, eight hundred hours in overtime for

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Speaker 2: our police. So if we were to take that responsibility

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Speaker 2: away from our police, which isn't a police responsibility, we

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Speaker 2: could immediately free up over six eight hundred hours. Now

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Speaker 2: the problem is labor of underfunded and resourced corrections as well,

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Speaker 2: So we can't just simply say all right, police, you're

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Speaker 2: won't be able to happen. So we do accept that

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Speaker 2: our police should not be doing that. But what needs

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Speaker 2: to be done is a further analysis of the options

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Speaker 2: on how do we then address either the shortfalling corrections

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Speaker 2: or The report also talks to exploring other options like

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Speaker 2: what's been done in victorious South Australia and Western Australia

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Speaker 2: around outsourcing that transfer responsibility and.

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Speaker 1: The outsourcing seems like it could be a good idea,

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Speaker 1: but I guess the problem is then you are obviously

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Speaker 1: putting that responsibility into the hands of a private company presumably.

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Speaker 2: Sure, and I mean government does that across a range

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Speaker 2: of other areas. For example, with housing, we've just transferred hundreds,

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Speaker 2: if not thousands of houses to the private sector to manage.

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Speaker 2: So it's not unprecedented, but it does require careful analysis.

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Speaker 2: So that's why we in part support that recommendation.

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Speaker 3: So that's number ten. Number ten.

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Speaker 2: Recommendation eleven is around removing palis. We absolutely do not

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Speaker 2: support Recommendation eleven. Palis are a critical important part of

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Speaker 2: proactive policing in our regions. The community support them, they

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Speaker 2: have an important role, and we will cap palis to

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Speaker 2: make sure that they see and understand how valuable they

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Speaker 2: are and that that is a workplace of choice.

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Speaker 3: Yep. So we do not accept that.

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Speaker 2: And then the other recommendation, which we I guess in

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Speaker 2: part accept is Recommendation twelve, which calls for the use

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Speaker 2: of private security to be wound back.

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Speaker 3: Now that's something that.

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Speaker 2: The NTPA have been calling for for a long time.

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Speaker 2: They call it secondary second tier policing, but it would

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Speaker 2: be reckless. We understand the recommendation. We understand in a

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Speaker 2: perfect world you wouldn't have to have that security, but

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Speaker 2: we don't live in it. We're far from a perfect

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Speaker 2: world right now, Katie. So we will not be implementing

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Speaker 2: that anytime in the foreseeable future.

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Speaker 1: Yep.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so you did say.

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Speaker 1: Did you also say that there was something else that

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Speaker 1: you worn'd accepting or only partly accepting or was that everything?

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Speaker 3: No, that was everything?

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Speaker 2: So two were in part one was not at all,

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Speaker 2: and the rest were absolutely We support in full.

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Speaker 3: We support the timeframes.

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Speaker 2: What we were really disappointed in, of course, is the

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Speaker 2: fact that it was so limited in what the review

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Speaker 2: considered labor very carefully crafted the terms of reference, not

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Speaker 2: to include policy failures, not to include what other agencies

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Speaker 2: review doesn't cover any of that. It's largely the recommendations

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Speaker 1: I do think it's disappointing that it wasn't able to

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Speaker 1: what kind of impact they're having. Because even when you

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Speaker 1: look at things like the Age of Criminal Responsibility for example,

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Speaker 1: you know, like how many man hours are our police

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Speaker 1: and that kind of thing, could it actually be could

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Speaker 1: those man hours be better actually used by territory families

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Speaker 1: picking up some of that slack.

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Speaker 3: So I totally take on what you are.

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Speaker 2: Side one hundred percent, Katie, and that's exactly what we've

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Speaker 2: been saying. So the CLP has gone above and beyond

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Speaker 2: this review. This review is important and we largely accept it,

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Speaker 2: but we will go far beyond that, and a lot

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Speaker 2: of them that have been highlighted in this review of

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Speaker 2: the fact that we've had a revolving door of police ministers,

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Speaker 2: you know, and that government have not had the chief

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Speaker 2: Minister holding that portfolio. And so the COLP, if elected,

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Speaker 2: I will be the police minister. The buck will stop

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Speaker 2: with me. Community safety will be the number one priority

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Speaker 2: of my government. Every other agency, NGO and person who

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Speaker 2: our actions will meet our words on this, our police

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Speaker 2: will be supported, our community will be safe, we will

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Speaker 2: have stronger laws, and then we can have happy families,

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Speaker 2: a healthy community. We can have a growing economy, strong

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Speaker 2: business sector. We can get some vibrancy back in this

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Speaker 2: place and rebuild the territory and be proud once again

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Speaker 2: to be Territorian. And that all starts with me as

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Speaker 2: Police Minister. Chief Minister making sure that policing is a

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Speaker 2: number one priority, Leah.

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Speaker 1: Very quickly, what do you think needs to be implemented

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Speaker 1: as a matter of urgency. I mean, Nathan Finn has

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Speaker 1: said that he is more officers on the ground. We

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Speaker 1: know that we need more plice on the ground. That's

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Speaker 1: not a real surprise to anybody, but you know, if

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Speaker 1: you were chief minister, how would you make that happen quickly?

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Speaker 2: Well, to have more police on the ground, you have

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Speaker 2: to have a workplace where police feel supported and backed,

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Speaker 2: and so it's really critically important that police know the

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Speaker 2: CLP back then one hundred percent that their job is

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Speaker 2: community safety and that's what we expect them to be doing,

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Speaker 2: not all the other things they're currently doing. We also

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Speaker 2: need to fix the broken disciplinary system. I've stood at

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Speaker 2: a decades, just about a decade's worth of police conferences

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Speaker 2: where labor have promised a review of the broken disciplinary

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Speaker 2: system that punishes our police and never delivered a single

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Speaker 2: thing that needs to be addressed urgently immediately, Katie. So

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Speaker 2: there's a range of measures, including law reform, including budget

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Speaker 2: including additional police that need to be done and we

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Speaker 2: are ready to do them well.

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Speaker 1: Leah Finocchiaro, the Opposition leader, it's always good to speak

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Speaker 1: with you.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much for your time this morning. Thank you,

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Speaker 3: take care of rank. You